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The potential of Ivo Karlovic?

marcRD
10-16-2007, 05:55 PM
Ivo Karlovic is getting to unknown territory right now when he is playing tennis good enought to break the serve of good players like Haas and Safin atleast once every set and the scary thing is that the serve is just getting better and better, he has hold his serve 94% which is almost 19 of 20 serve games, last year he only won 90%. His slice is good enought to defend himself from the backhand side and his forehand is a great aggresive shot which can cause trouble to most players, he also has good touch at the net and his weakness is ofcourse his movement which will always be the negative aspect of beeng that tall. Anyway, before players just had to turn down the ues against Karlovic and wait for him to make ues, now they have to move him around and take risks.

Karlovic will now not have to qualify for master series and be seeded in grand slams. He will soon enought probably be seeded in master series too so I can see him really making an impact from now on in the big tournaments, Karlovic is a player who can lose to almost anyone and defeat almost anyone too, so it will be a big advantage for him not to be struggling in 3 tiebreaks in qualifying matches against lower ranked players.

Karlovic has the potential to be top 10 in my eyes, right now he is 90 atp race points away from achieving this, I see him in atleast a QF in Madrid and he will prob have a good run in Paris indoors too. IF he can keep his form to next year and Australia I can see him breaking in to the top 10 very soon. The question is if his physic can take 5 set matches in grand slams and if he can get to lets say a grand slam semifinal? How far do you think he can go? Can he make a GS semifinal?

stebs
10-16-2007, 06:02 PM
I think your jumping the gun. He is a good player and yes he can beat almost any player but a fair set from most top 50 players will be a TB at least and Karlovic does have a winning record in those lately but only by a little. I think there is too big a chance for him to lose to average players for him to be reaching GS semi's but I would like to see it.

ASP0315
10-16-2007, 06:06 PM
karlovic bh slices at FO reminded me of gonzo's bh slices. (but they are still work in progress.) Yes his forehand is good weapon. Volleying is very good.
if he manages to make the bh consitent the opponents will stop attacking his bh.

if he manages to keep up his fitness and improve his GS record and he is a top ten potential.

Horatio Caine
10-16-2007, 06:06 PM
I'm a fan of Ivo, but I can't see him going much higher than he is now. As has already been mentioned in other related threads, he is likely to have to play all 9 TMS next year, meaning that he will lose a number of points already gained in extra optionals. Sure, he will be a huge threat in any big event, but, with the quality of the fields being so much better than in smaller events, it is likely that he'll struggle to make the same impact.

I'd say his ceiling is top 25, with a possible appearance just inside the top 20.

stebs
10-16-2007, 06:09 PM
I'm a fan of Ivo, but I can't see him going much higher than he is now. As has already been mentioned in other related threads, he is likely to have to play all 9 TMS next year, meaning that he will lose a number of points already gained in extra optionals. Sure, he will be a huge threat in any big event, but, with the quality of the fields being so much better than in smaller events, it is likely that he'll struggle to make the same impact.

I'd say his ceiling is top 25, with a possible appearance just inside the top 20.

He currently has terrible results in AMS and Slanm events. Bring those up to average (a few 3rd rounds at slams and the odd QF at AMS events) and he is top 20 comfortably.

That tennis kid
10-16-2007, 06:11 PM
I would be careful to assume too much from Karlovic's recent performances. Whilst post-US Open he has been very impressive, he was only a few points away from losses to Stadler in Bangkok, Lee and Hewitt in Tokyo and Clement and Massu in Stockholm: a QF, SF and win is impressive; a first round loss and two second round losses would be considerably less so. He has made significant improvements from the back, but he is still much worse from the back than your average top 50 player.

The automatic entry and seeding will be bonuses, but its hardly like he has had del-Potro luck with the draws at the big tournaments. In terms of Grand Slam progress, sure he's looking more capable of making a run, but he only won one match at them this year so I can't see that sort of turnaround happening in one year. Problem for Karlovic is he is very unlikely to get past good returners over five sets in which they should get more of a read on his serve, and therefore chances to break.

ASP0315
10-16-2007, 06:13 PM
He currently has terrible results in AMS and Slanm events. Bring those up to average (a few 3rd rounds at slams and the odd QF at AMS events) and he is top 20 comfortably.

agreed with that.

scarecrows
10-16-2007, 06:14 PM
top 20 yes, top 10 no

i hope he improves his endurance and wins some 5 sets matches

Henry Chinaski
10-16-2007, 06:34 PM
The automatic entry and seeding will be bonuses, but its hardly like he has had del-Potro luck with the draws at the big tournaments. In terms of Grand Slam progress, sure he's looking more capable of making a run, but he only won one match at them this year so I can't see that sort of turnaround happening in one year.

his draws weren't as nasty as del potro's but they were some pretty bad match-ups for Ivo all the same. melzer dominates the head to head while clement and santoro are 2 of the best returners of big serves around. he also got melzer again in cinci and fed in canada...

That tennis kid
10-16-2007, 06:46 PM
his draws weren't as nasty as del potro's but they were some pretty bad match-ups for Ivo all the same. melzer dominates the head to head while clement and santoro are 2 of the best returners of big serves around. he also got melzer again in cinci and fed in canada...

His draws weren't especially kind, but I was pointing out this wasn't down to drawing seeds all the time so Karlovic being seeded himself isn't going to stop him playing against the likes of Clement, Melzer, Bjorkman. He has tended to lose early in the Master Series because of the higher calibre of the field rather than being dealt especially nasty draws.

Ivo#1Fan
10-16-2007, 07:03 PM
If Ivo could hang around the top 20-25 that would be outstanding. With the current talent on tour it's hard to imagine top 10, but he's surprised me immensely this year by reaching top 25, so ... He has played SO consistently all year. Only a couple of bad losses to Querrey and Fish. All the other losses are pretty understandable. He IS capable of making impact in Grand Slams. Three or four years ago he had good runs at Wimbledon and US Open, and his game is much much better now than it was back then. I think these past two really weak Grand Slams years are the anomoly not the the rule. I do think he'll break top 20 soon though.

Blue Heart24
10-16-2007, 07:06 PM
Few good Slam performances and he's in the top 10 :)

Adler
10-16-2007, 07:40 PM
Not a Top 10 levek, sorry

He sucked big time @ Wimbledon, having a potential QF chance and he blew it

AsianSensation
10-16-2007, 11:45 PM
he needs to get a backhand drive first

DwyaneWade
10-17-2007, 12:31 AM
He is max a top15 player but he should be able to better in the slams than he has. However, one can just look at his countryman Ljubicic to see that necessary game does not always translate to GS results

Svetlana.
10-17-2007, 12:54 AM
I know Ivo is being loved by many, but for me he's actually destroying tennis in general. Bam, bam and bam just isn't my kind of game.

:wavey:

Merton
10-17-2007, 01:00 AM
It is somewhere between #15 and #30 in the rankings, the important thing for him is to stay healthy and improve his stamina so that he can post better results in the slams.

TennisShoulder
10-17-2007, 01:06 AM
Ivo Karlovic is JUST a serve. If a player's mentality was solely to aim for Ivo's feet during every point during every match, Ivo wouldn't have won a single match throughout his career. His movement is absolutely terrible...apart from the excellent serve, he's just painfully wooden. Let's face it, if I was 6 foot 10, I think I'd have a good chance after 28 years of developing a serve like Ivo's. If you take away Ivo's serve, he wouldn't be in the world's top 1000. That is fact! In fact, without the serve, I don't think Ivo would have been a tennis player in the first place.

Ivo#1Fan
10-17-2007, 01:15 AM
Ivo Karlovic is JUST a serve. If a player's mentality was solely to aim for Ivo's feet during every point during every match, Ivo wouldn't have won a single match throughout his career. His movement is absolutely terrible...apart from the excellent serve, he's just painfully wooden. Let's face it, if I was 6 foot 10, I think I'd have a good chance after 28 years of developing a serve like Ivo's. If you take away Ivo's serve, he wouldn't be in the world's top 1000. That is fact! In fact, without the serve, I don't think Ivo would have been a tennis player in the first place.

The past 3 matches Ivo's broken Haas 2 times, Thomas Johansson 3 times, and Safin 2 times. Obviously there's something more than serve. 7 breaks in 3 matches agains three very big servers. You obviously are basing your judgment on Ivo from 2 or 3 years ago. Watch him play sometime.

RickDaStick
10-17-2007, 01:16 AM
Ivo Karlovic is JUST a serve. If a player's mentality was solely to aim for Ivo's feet during every point during every match, Ivo wouldn't have won a single match throughout his career. His movement is absolutely terrible...apart from the excellent serve, he's just painfully wooden. Let's face it, if I was 6 foot 10, I think I'd have a good chance after 28 years of developing a serve like Ivo's. If you take away Ivo's serve, he wouldn't be in the world's top 1000. That is fact! In fact, without the serve, I don't think Ivo would have been a tennis player in the first place.

Much of the time Ivo is behind the baseline so if a player would aim at his feet every point, they would have a shitload of errors and Ivo would have a lot more wins than he does now. Also this is one of the worst posts on MTF. You mention stuff that has been beaten to death on here and make little sense doing so :wavey:

TennisShoulder
10-17-2007, 01:30 AM
The past 3 matches Ivo's broken Haas 2 times, Thomas Johansson 3 times, and Safin 2 times. Obviously there's something more than serve. 7 breaks in 3 matches agains three very big servers. You obviously are basing your judgment on Ivo from 2 or 3 years ago. Watch him play sometime.

They played poorly. He didn't play well - they played poorly!

TennisShoulder
10-17-2007, 01:34 AM
Much of the time Ivo is behind the baseline so if a player would aim at his feet every point, they would have a shitload of errors and Ivo would have a lot more wins than he does now.

You took what I said FAR too literally. You know exactly what I mean. If players played Ivo more wisely, thought out a strategy of keeping the ball low and playing to their strengths rather than his, then Ivo wouldn't win a match! When you play Ivo, you move him about all over the court. It's also a good idea to give him no pace. Having said that, even players without a strategy should fancy their chances of beating Ivo. Let's face it, Ivo has his limits.

ASP0315
10-17-2007, 01:44 AM
Ivo Karlovic is JUST a serve. If a player's mentality was solely to aim for Ivo's feet during every point during every match, Ivo wouldn't have won a single match throughout his career. His movement is absolutely terrible...apart from the excellent serve, he's just painfully wooden. Let's face it, if I was 6 foot 10, I think I'd have a good chance after 28 years of developing a serve like Ivo's. If you take away Ivo's serve, he wouldn't be in the world's top 1000. That is fact! In fact, without the serve, I don't think Ivo would have been a tennis player in the first place.

:retard:
Really where would moya be if he didn't have his forehand?
top 500? :haha:
Where would Robredo be if he didn't have his forehand?
Top 200.? :haha:

Serve is just strenght just like some of your so called favorites strenth is forehand.

I agree this is the worst post of the year.
Idiot.

Ivo#1Fan
10-17-2007, 01:54 AM
You took what I said FAR too literally. You know exactly what I mean. If players played Ivo more wisely, thought out a strategy of keeping the ball low and playing to their strengths rather than his, then Ivo wouldn't win a match! When you play Ivo, you move him about all over the court. It's also a good idea to give him no pace. Having said that, even players without a strategy should fancy their chances of beating Ivo. Let's face it, Ivo has his limits.

:rolleyes: Of course these top 10 players and former Grand Slam winners aren't smart enough to play wisely. Someone like you on the other hand have the intelligence and strategy to beat Ivo. Makes a lot of sense buddy. :banghead:

38 match wins this year and counting...

TennisShoulder
10-17-2007, 02:13 AM
:retard:
Really where would moya be if he didn't have his forehand?
top 500? :haha:
Where would Robredo be if he didn't have his forehand?
Top 200.? :haha:

Serve is just strenght just like some of your so called favorites strenth is forehand.

I agree this is the worst post of the year.
Idiot.

You don't dispute the fact, which is good! The difference between a SERVE and a FOREHAND is that a serve only wins you points on your own service game, whereas a forehand wins you points on both your service game AND your opponents' service game!

That's why it is far better to have a great forehand, backhand, volleys, court coverage, movement, creativity...whatever it may be...than just a serve. Ivo Karlovic is a one trick pony!

TennisShoulder
10-17-2007, 02:16 AM
:rolleyes: Of course these top 10 players and former Grand Slam winners aren't smart enough to play wisely. Someone like you on the other hand have the intelligence and strategy to beat Ivo. Makes a lot of sense buddy. :banghead:

38 match wins this year and counting...

Answer the following 3 questions for me...honestly:

1) When Ivo beat Marat Safin, did Marat play a smart match?
2) When Ivo beat Thomas Johansson, did Johansson play a smart match?
3) When Ivo beat Tommy Haas, did Tommy play a smart match?

Ivo#1Fan
10-17-2007, 02:24 AM
Answer the following 3 questions for me...honestly:

1) When Ivo beat Marat Safin, did Marat play a smart match?
2) When Ivo beat Thomas Johansson, did Johansson play a smart match?
3) When Ivo beat Tommy Haas, did Tommy play a smart match?

Are really this ignorant or just stupid? Ivo's won 38 matches. He had 7 breaks of serve in just the last 3 matches. How can everyone he plays be too stupid to try to move him. Of course they try. You call him a one trick pony? You clearly haven't even watched Ivo play or if you have, the only match you saw was the Federer match. Besides that he's looked awesome this year. Terrific forehand, fantastic volleys (particularly on low volleys), mentally tough (fought back from mini breaks in TBs countless times), and he's moving much better than he used to. He's won tournaments on clay, grass, and hard courts this year. :worship: Only other player to do that is Federer.

TennisShoulder
10-17-2007, 02:27 AM
Are really this ignorant or just stupid? Ivo's won 38 matches. He had 7 breaks of serve in just the last 3 matches. How can everyone he plays be too stupid to try to move him. Of course they try. You call him a one trick pony? You clearly haven't even watched Ivo play or if you have, the only match you saw was the Federer match. Besides that he's looked awesome this year. Terrific forehand, fantastic volleys (particularly on low volleys), mentally tough (fought back from mini breaks in TBs countless times), and he's moving much better than he used to. He's won tournaments on clay, grass, and hard courts this year. :worship: Only other player to do that is Federer.

Answer the question!

Or in this case, the three questions!

TennisShoulder
10-17-2007, 02:30 AM
and he's moving much better than he used to.

That's not exactly saying a lot!

croat123
10-17-2007, 02:33 AM
interesting thread. about six months ago when he wasn't even in the top100 and someone claimed he could be top30, most posters laughed. now he's only a couple of matches from being in the top20 with no points to defend in the last three weeks of the year and very few to defend until after miami next year.

Snowwy
10-17-2007, 02:35 AM
Im pretty sure you didnt watch the past 3 matches so how would you know how Haas played or how Johnasson played or how Safin played

ASP0315
10-17-2007, 02:37 AM
You don't dispute the fact, which is good! The difference between a SERVE and a FOREHAND is that a serve only wins you points on your own service game, whereas a forehand wins you points on both your service game AND your opponents' service game!

That's why it is far better to have a great forehand, backhand, volleys, court coverage, movement, creativity...whatever it may be...than just a serve. Ivo Karlovic is a one trick pony!

Hey idiot.
Have you ever watched ivo recently? Probably who didn't watch him in whole life
Don't tell you watched him in 2003 and say he is serve only.

First his forehand is pretty decent. (normal forehand. Just like robredo normal backhand.) His volleys are excellent. (I'm sure there are lot of clay court clowns like coria you just can't hit a single decent volley. )
The only problem he has backhand. His slice Bh is okay.
His major strength is his serve. You cannot take that away from him.

Yes you didn't answer my Question where would moya be witout a forehand.?
I'm sure he would be ranked outside top 100 just like jiri vanek or some other futures player.

What has tommy robredo done on the tour to deserve the top ten place.?
He has oretty much mediocore game. I watched him sevrel times his forehand was pretty erratic on hard courts.

Robredo would be top 200 if it isn't for his forehand. End of story.
The same way Federer would'nt have won 12 GS titles if it wouldn't be for his forehand

If you don't like him fine. Saying that he doesn't belong in tennis is stupid ignorant and total :bs:

Karlovic belongs in top 20 like it or not.

ASP0315
10-17-2007, 02:41 AM
Answer the following 3 questions for me...honestly:

1) When Ivo beat Marat Safin, did Marat play a smart match?
2) When Ivo beat Thomas Johansson, did Johansson play a smart match?
3) When Ivo beat Tommy Haas, did Tommy play a smart match?

Hey fucktard
here are Karlovic's the H2H against these players

2-1 against Safin
3-1 against johannson.
4-1 against Haas

Side by side he
3-0 against hewitt
2-0 against robredo
2-1 against blake

How fuck can you call Karlovic a one trick pony.?
You clearly haven't watched karlovic.
Very ignorant guy

croat123
10-17-2007, 02:41 AM
TennisShoulder: you cannot claim that if you were 6'10" and had spent 28 years training your serve that you would be as good as ivo. ivo is an exceptional talent, just like anyone else who has reached even the top200 in the game.

ASP0315
10-17-2007, 02:45 AM
Im pretty sure you didnt watch the past 3 matches so how would you know how Haas played or how Johnasson played or how Safin played

There is no need of arguing with someone who hasn't watched karlovic recently. :lol:

TennisShoulder
10-17-2007, 02:48 AM
He's won tournaments on clay, grass, and hard courts this year. :worship:

Houston, Nottingham and Stockholm.

With all due respect, I don't think winning those three tournaments is such a great achievement.

Come back when he reaches the quarter-finals of a grand slam, or reaches the final of a Masters Series event and I'll buy you a few beers and say you were right....until that happens, I seriously doubt his credentials!

TennisShoulder
10-17-2007, 02:50 AM
The only problem he has backhand.

Correction: Ivo Karlovic doesn't have a backhand!

ASP0315
10-17-2007, 02:57 AM
Correction: Ivo Karlovic doesn't have a backhand!

He has.

BTW he broke johansson in the first by slicing him with the bh. (it was 8 shot rally and whicxh enededjohansson dumped the bh to the net. :lol: )
If bh works when it is needed.

the truth is simple you can't admit your favorite got outplayed. you are trying to make up all the excuses.

Anyway i wouldn't waste my time arguing with ignorant people like you.
The fact is karlovic won titles on three different surfaces this year. Only two player have done that this year.(Federer and Karlovic.)
Great achievement for karlovic this year.

When you don't give credit for these achievement thats your problem.

Anyway this thread is about how high he can he go.
My prediction is top 15.

TennisShoulder
10-17-2007, 03:00 AM
So much for all this so-called improvement:

Ivo's performance in 3/4 of the grand slams (the place where it REALLY matters) in recent years has actually got worse!

He hasn't won a match at Wimbledon in 2007, 2006 OR 2005 having reached the R4 in 2004 and R3 in 2003.

Having reached R3 of the US Open in 2003, he lost in the first round in 2004, 2006 and 2007, reaching R2 in 2005.

In the Aussie Open, he reached R2 in 2004 and didn't win a match in 2005, 2006 and 2007.

In the French, he only reached R2 in 2006 and 2007, not an awful lot better than losing in R1 in 2004 and 2005.

In grand slams played on fast services, he's lost 12 of his last 13 matches. PATHETIC!

TennisShoulder
10-17-2007, 03:02 AM
BTW he broke johansson in the first by slicing him with the bh. (it was 8 shot rally and whicxh enededjohansson dumped the bh to the net.

The fact that you remember it so clearly only emphasises my point!

TennisShoulder
10-17-2007, 03:03 AM
Ivo's record in his last 17 grand slam matches:

Played 17
Won 3

TennisShoulder
10-17-2007, 03:11 AM
Last 17 grand slam matches:
Played 17
Won 3
Lost 14

Those 14 losses came against the following players.

Federer, Henman, Uhlirach, Kiefer, Bracciali, Agassi, Davydenko, Hrbaty, Wawrinka, Soderling, Melzer, Bjorkman, Santoro, Clement.

enzogiovanni
10-17-2007, 03:27 AM
Ivo Karlovic is JUST a serve. If a player's mentality was solely to aim for Ivo's feet during every point during every match, Ivo wouldn't have won a single match throughout his career. His movement is absolutely terrible...apart from the excellent serve, he's just painfully wooden. Let's face it, if I was 6 foot 10, I think I'd have a good chance after 28 years of developing a serve like Ivo's. If you take away Ivo's serve, he wouldn't be in the world's top 1000. That is fact! In fact, without the serve, I don't think Ivo would have been a tennis player in the first place.
If you did not have internet access this forum would have been much more intelligent overall.
Stop posting if you can not come up with anything that makes any sense.

TennisShoulder
10-17-2007, 03:29 AM
If you did not have internet access this forum would have been much more intelligent overall.
Stop posting if you can not come up with anything that makes any sense.

But he's won only three of his last 17 matches in grand slams. Doesn't really cut it!

enzogiovanni
10-17-2007, 03:46 AM
But he's won only three of his last 17 matches in grand slams. Doesn't really cut it!
If you don NOT realize that spitting MEANINGLESS out of date stats to "prove" your point is completely useless, well, that is only your problem.

Fact: you do NOT break an opponents server with your own serve. Check out Dr.Ivo's recent accomplishments in this field.
You should also check the fact that when Ivo is serving well there is nobody out there who can break his serve (ask Federer who managed to reach deuce, once!, without having a single break point in the entire match)

The whole point of playing Dr Ivo post Wimbledon is:

you absolutely MUST, MUST, MUST hold your own serve
Post-Wimbledon Ivo is winning 95,2% of service games, that is 24 out of 25.


So if you happen to lose your serve, well, wait for the 1 in 25 chance to regain it back just to level the score. Additionally, Ivo does way less unforced errors and puts a lot of more pressure on the opponents serve.

Ivo is TOP 20 material with an open draw to reach the semis in Madrid.

Deal with it. :wavey: