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Why Federer gets easier schedule?

Grunge
10-15-2007, 10:18 PM
Maybe I am wrong, but as far as I can recall, Federer (almost) always gets one extra day to rest on master series tournaments (and often on GS tournaments too) by playing his first match day before (most) other players. In Madrid we have same situation. He will play on tuesday, then he will have one day off in the following five days. Other players (except Murray and Haas) need to play five days in a row in order to win tournament, and I think it could be nice advantage to have one extra day to rest somewhere in between. Wouldn't it be more fair if all seeded players have to start on wednsday? Ok, it is not possible in Madrid because there are only two courts, but on outdoor tournaments it is definitely possible. And even if it is not, they should use some kind of draw to decide who will play one day earlier, because somehow Federer always finds himself playing one day earlier (or maybe I am wrong?).

p.s. this thread is not directed against Roger, but against people who are making such silly schedule in order to earn more money from tickets, without considering fact that they are blowing tournament out of balance to some degree.

Allure
10-15-2007, 10:22 PM
Another Serbian complaining about Federer. :lol:

R.Federer
10-15-2007, 10:28 PM
He is an old man, he needs the help.

scarecrows
10-15-2007, 10:28 PM
Maybe I am wrong, but as far as I can recall, Federer (almost) always gets one extra day to rest on master series tournaments (and often on GS tournaments too) by playing his first match day before (most) other players. In Madrid we have same situation. He will play on tuesday, then he will have one day off in the following five days. Other players (except Murray and Haas) need to play five days in a row in order to win tournament, and I think it could be nice advantage to have one extra day to rest somewhere in between. Wouldn't it be more fair if all seeded players have to start on wednsday? Ok, it is not possible in Madrid because there are only two courts, but on outdoor tournaments it is definitely possible. And even if it is not, they should use some kind of draw to decide who will play one day earlier, because somehow Federer always finds himself playing one day earlier (or maybe I am wrong?).

p.s. this thread is not directed against Roger, but against people who are making such silly schedule in order to earn more money from tickets, without considering fact that they are blowing tournament out of balance to some degree.

yes, you are wrong

Grunge
10-15-2007, 10:30 PM
Another Serbian complaining about Federer. :lol:

Ummmmmm, what my nationality have to do with this topic? I like Federer very much, as well as Nadal and couple of other players (Baghdatis, Canas, Moya...and players from my country ofcourse :) ), but I am just trying to talk about something I dont like in the way schedule is made.
For example, if Nadal, Davidenko, Djokovic... are always playing one day earlier this thread would be named "Why Nadal, Davidenko, Djokovic get easier schedule?".

Sunset of Age
10-15-2007, 10:32 PM
Nice Troll/ACC attempt, mate. :lol:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/CG_Brouwer/MTF%20Silliness/SupportYourClown_2.jpg

Okay, I admit, I think the Fed Guy truly has a relatively easy draw this time, quite NOT the case with his beloved Main Rival, who surely has a few Bumps on the Road ahead of him.
Hope the both of them will be able to make it to the final! :yeah: ;) :angel:

Grunge
10-15-2007, 10:33 PM
yes, you are wrong

Ok, then I am sorry. I probably didn't notice it correctly and I apologise. Mods can delete this thread if they want.

Rogiman
10-15-2007, 10:37 PM
Slowly but surely, the Serbs are losing it.

And Novak's career has hardly begun...

Grunge
10-15-2007, 10:37 PM
Nice Troll/ACC attempt, mate. :lol:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/CG_Brouwer/MTF%20Silliness/SupportYourClown_2.jpg[/IMG]

Okay, I admit, I think the Fed Guy truly has a relatively easy draw this time, quite NOT the case with his beloved Main Rival, who surely has a few Bumps on the Road ahead of him.
Hope the both of them will be able to make it to the final! :yeah: ;) :angel:

This was not troll attempt. I didn't complain on draw mate, I hope you read my post :) But it doesn't matter any more, seems like I was wrong ;)

Grunge
10-15-2007, 10:40 PM
Slowly but surely, the Serbs are losing it.

And Novak's career has hardly begun...

Lol, and I thought only people in Serbia pay too much attention on someone's nationality. Seems like we are not that much different at all...which is bad thing in this case :wavey:

Sunset of Age
10-15-2007, 10:41 PM
This was not troll attempt. I didn't complain on draw mate, I hope you read my post :) But it doesn't matter any more, seems like I was wrong ;)

No problem, dear! Thanks for pointing me out. You´re entirely right. :D

Rogiman
10-15-2007, 10:43 PM
Lol, and I thought only people in Serbia pay too much attention on someone's nationality. Seems like we are not that much different at all...which is bad thing in this case :wavey:Just a few months ago you could hardly find any Serb around these forums, now the place is flooded. Don't you think people will comment...?

Grunge
10-15-2007, 11:01 PM
Just a few months ago you could hardly find any Serb around these forums, now the place is flooded. Don't you think people will comment...?

But that is normal situation mate. Tennis in Serbia is very popular theese days, mainly because of Novak, Jelena and Ana. Their success generates much more people on tennis forums than before. But that doesn't mean that people here didn't watch tennis before, they (most of them) just didn't have reason to write about it. I registered here few months ago, but I am sure I am following tennis longer than many members who came here years before me. I still remember days when Chang beated Lendl with that sneaky "underarm" serve, when Monika and Graf was great rivalry, when Brugera was my favourite tennis player...
Ok, I admit I didnt know how to calculate ATP ranking points before Nole showed up, but I didnt't really need it back then ;)

BalkanBoy
10-16-2007, 01:52 AM
Maybe I am wrong, but as far as I can recall, Federer (almost) always gets one extra day to rest on master series tournaments (and often on GS tournaments too) by playing his first match day before (most) other players. In Madrid we have same situation. He will play on tuesday, then he will have one day off in the following five days. Other players (except Murray and Haas) need to play five days in a row in order to win tournament, and I think it could be nice advantage to have one extra day to rest somewhere in between. Wouldn't it be more fair if all seeded players have to start on wednsday? Ok, it is not possible in Madrid because there are only two courts, but on outdoor tournaments it is definitely possible. And even if it is not, they should use some kind of draw to decide who will play one day earlier, because somehow Federer always finds himself playing one day earlier (or maybe I am wrong?).

p.s. this thread is not directed against Roger, but against people who are making such silly schedule in order to earn more money from tickets, without considering fact that they are blowing tournament out of balance to some degree.

You are totally right, Federer is their new baby so they have to be nice with him, he is a star and the tournement would lost alot of atmosphere if he lose in the beginning. So his popularity gives him privileges which in turn gives tournement organisers more $$$. Even if that's totally unfair for other players. :sad:

anny12
10-16-2007, 02:01 AM
Maybe I am wrong, but as far as I can recall, Federer (almost) always gets one extra day to rest on master series tournaments (and often on GS tournaments too) by playing his first match day before (most) other players. In Madrid we have same situation. He will play on tuesday, then he will have one day off in the following five days. Other players (except Murray and Haas) need to play five days in a row in order to win tournament, and I think it could be nice advantage to have one extra day to rest somewhere in between. Wouldn't it be more fair if all seeded players have to start on wednsday? Ok, it is not possible in Madrid because there are only two courts, but on outdoor tournaments it is definitely possible. And even if it is not, they should use some kind of draw to decide who will play one day earlier, because somehow Federer always finds himself playing one day earlier (or maybe I am wrong?).

p.s. this thread is not directed against Roger, but against people who are making such silly schedule in order to earn more money from tickets, without considering fact that they are blowing tournament out of balance to some degree.
Don't even think of questioning anything in relation to Federer. You will be trashed and told you are a troll. He's god on here.

RagingLamb
10-16-2007, 02:05 AM
Don't even think of questioning anything in relation to Federer. You will be trashed and told you are a troll. He's god on here.

agreed. of course, you could just take maybe 10 tournaments and compare Federer to someone else, e.g. Nadal, and see if there really is a difference. And you'd have your answer, but that take a lot of time.

anny12
10-16-2007, 02:12 AM
agreed. of course, you could just take maybe 10 tournaments and compare Federer to someone else, e.g. Nadal, and see if there really is a difference. And you'd have your answer, but that take a lot of time.
I'm not really willing to put that much effort into this post :) I'm not saying he's not great, but it does get a little ridiculous that someone can't even question anything in relation to Fed on here without getting bitched out.

barbadosan
10-16-2007, 02:21 AM
You are totally right, Federer is their new baby so they have to be nice with him, he is a star and the tournement would lost alot of atmosphere if he lose in the beginning. So his popularity gives him privileges which in turn gives tournement organisers more $$$. Even if that's totally unfair for other players. :sad:

What would you do if you were an organiser? Put your no. 1 seed on display for the first time on the 3rd day of a 7-day tournament (and I'm not necessarily talking Federer here, simply looking at your main crowd pullers, your nos 1 and 2 seeds). Seems to me Marketing 101 says no

World Beater
10-16-2007, 02:42 AM
federer earned those privileges.

stop whining, it comes with the territory of being the star in tennis.

when joker, nadal etc become the star in tennis, they will be treated similarly.

Fee
10-16-2007, 03:14 AM
Maybe I am wrong, but as far as I can recall, Federer (almost) always gets one extra day to rest on master series tournaments (and often on GS tournaments too) by playing his first match day before (most) other players. In Madrid we have same situation. He will play on tuesday, then he will have one day off in the following five days. Other players (except Murray and Haas) need to play five days in a row in order to win tournament, and I think it could be nice advantage to have one extra day to rest somewhere in between. Wouldn't it be more fair if all seeded players have to start on wednsday? Ok, it is not possible in Madrid because there are only two courts, but on outdoor tournaments it is definitely possible. And even if it is not, they should use some kind of draw to decide who will play one day earlier, because somehow Federer always finds himself playing one day earlier (or maybe I am wrong?).

p.s. this thread is not directed against Roger, but against people who are making such silly schedule in order to earn more money from tickets, without considering fact that they are blowing tournament out of balance to some degree.

Murray will play on Monday and Tuesday, then not again until Thursday. Is that fair?

rosamunda
10-16-2007, 03:15 AM
Isn't it to do with which half of the draw you're in? The top half goes first, the bottom half goes second and, because the early rounds tend to take a couple of days to complete, there's always that lag behind for the lower half of the draw. As Roger is always in the top half, it's inevitable he plays earlier. You could argue that the lower half has an extra day of practice/rest, so it works both ways.

anny12
10-16-2007, 03:18 AM
federer earned those privileges.

stop whining, it comes with the territory of being the star in tennis.

when joker, nadal etc become the star in tennis, they will be treated similarly.
I don't think the OP is whining, or saying that Fed hasn't earned those privileges, he/she is simply asking a question. Maybe some people need to stop jumping down other people's throats for asking a question or having an opinion different than yours.

BalkanBoy
10-16-2007, 03:18 AM
What would you do if you were an organiser? Put your no. 1 seed on display for the first time on the 3rd day of a 7-day tournament (and I'm not necessarily talking Federer here, simply looking at your main crowd pullers, your nos 1 and 2 seeds). Seems to me Marketing 101 says no

I think they are putting Federer in the beginning to give him more chances to reach the finials than to bring more people in the beginning. Everyone knows that tennis becomes interesting 2-3 steps away from the finals and if they don't see high ranking players there, people get desinterested. Federer sure bring people in the beginning too but nothing spectacular.

It's the same thing as if two not well known countries reach the World Soccer Cup. The interesting in the finals could fall in half than if it is Brasil and Italy for exemple. That's why Federer is needed in SF & Finals.

Oh and I'm studying in economics so just to let you know I'm not speaking out of my a**. :secret:

Fee
10-16-2007, 03:18 AM
Isn't it to do with which half of the draw you're in? The top half goes first, the bottom half goes second and, because the early rounds tend to take a couple of days to complete, there's always that lag behind for the lower half of the draw. As Roger is always in the top half, it's inevitable he plays earlier. You could argue that the lower half has an extra day of practice/rest, so it works both ways.


No, Masters events are not scheduled like slams, and this draw had first round byes, so that has some influence on the schedule.

nobama
10-16-2007, 03:30 AM
You are totally right, Federer is their new baby so they have to be nice with him, he is a star and the tournement would lost alot of atmosphere if he lose in the beginning. So his popularity gives him privileges which in turn gives tournement organisers more $$$. Even if that's totally unfair for other players. :sad::bigcry:

barbadosan
10-16-2007, 03:36 AM
I think they are putting Federer in the beginning to give him more chances to reach the finials than to bring more people in the beginning. Everyone knows that tennis becomes interesting 2-3 steps away from the finals and if they don't see high ranking players there, people get desinterested. Federer sure bring people in the beginning too but nothing spectacular.

It's the same thing as if two not well known countries reach the World Soccer Cup. The interesting in the finals could fall in half than if it is Brasil and Italy for exemple. That's why Federer is needed in SF & Finals.

Oh and I'm studying in economics so just to let you know I'm not speaking out of my a**. :secret:

I still don't understand your reasoning behind this statement? He has to WIN these games to continue, and as another poster pointed out, Murray's scheduling as an example, just happens to leave him with a day free in the middle. What I'm suggesting is that the same scheduling would be in effect for anyone in the No. 1 seeded position.

RagingLamb
10-16-2007, 03:47 AM
I'm not really willing to put that much effort into this post :) I'm not saying he's not great, but it does get a little ridiculous that someone can't even question anything in relation to Fed on here without getting bitched out.

i absolutely agree with you. this place is like a michael jackson fan club, except replace "michael jackson" with roger federer, and "fan" with hysterical fuktard.

but like you said, the man is great. and it would be wrong to make a critical comment without some evidence.

krakenzero
10-16-2007, 04:00 AM
mmmm cause he plays on Sunday more often??

If it's about resting time, I think Federer plays more matches than 90% of the tour. This year he has 60 already. Davydenko, Djokovic, Robredo, Ferrer & Nadal have more matches... (Djokovic has freaking 79!!!) who else??

barbadosan
10-16-2007, 04:06 AM
Ok.. I was wrong. Federer has been scheduled for the third day before... just as recently as the Rogers Cup Masters this year. (Still don't think that's the better marketing strategy).

What it does do is answer the OP's question about scheduling for the No. 1 seed, because in that instance he played Wednesday - Sunday straight, which was what I believe the poster said he/she wanted to see happen.

Q.E.D., I believe :)

World Beater
10-16-2007, 04:07 AM
I don't think the OP is whining, or saying that Fed hasn't earned those privileges, he/she is simply asking a question. Maybe some people need to stop jumping down other people's throats for asking a question or having an opinion different than yours.


my post had to with the fact that someone said "it was not fair, blah blah". Thats whining to me.

Allure
10-16-2007, 04:07 AM
Better question: why are Djoke fans such tools? (Balkanboy, Fahjrenheit, Ezekiel, Grunge)

BalkanBoy
10-16-2007, 04:27 AM
I still don't understand your reasoning behind this statement? He has to WIN these games to continue, and as another poster pointed out, Murray's scheduling as an example, just happens to leave him with a day free in the middle. What I'm suggesting is that the same scheduling would be in effect for anyone in the No. 1 seeded position.

He has to win it's true but they are giving him the most chances to do so... it's simple

Remember what happened with Djokovic in Rolland Garros, it was unhuman and he had to retire because he was exausted. Also, I'm not blaming Federer there in no way, it's not his fault at all, it's just how things are and also alot of Nole haters have to stop with "timeouts excuses" because that's how things are, he has to use them when he feels he needs. In umag, last year, he retired bicause of respiratory problems so he needs certainly these medical treatments. I just hate stupid fanboys.

BalkanBoy
10-16-2007, 04:29 AM
Better question: why are Djoke fans such tools? (Balkanboy, Fahjrenheit, Ezekiel, Grunge)

See you fit perfectly in the last sentence of my previous post. :rolls:

Merton
10-16-2007, 04:39 AM
It is not an important advantage relative to the other top players. The big thing is for the top 8 players to get a first round bye in all masters tournaments, that is an advantage relative to the other players.

jcempire
10-16-2007, 04:48 AM
easier schedule

That's not a bid deal

Sjengster
10-16-2007, 04:54 AM
He played Wednesday to Sunday straight at both Montreal and Cincinnati this year, and I doubt that a day's rest was instrumental in him winning Hamburg considering he still had a tough route through with many sets dropped. It didn't help him in Monte Carlo either, when Nadal played from Wednesday onwards and won comfortably in the final. Scheduling in IW, Miami and Rome made no difference as he lost early in all three events anyway.

It's clear that the thread starter isn't having a go at Federer, but I think it's equally clear that you can't really accuse tournament schedulers of blatant repeated favouritism. Wimbledon this year was of course an egregious example of lop-sided scheduling but while they were certainly to blame for not having play on the Sunday, they couldn't have anticipated the walkover from Haas which meant that Federer didn't have to play for almost a week. His half got their first-week matches in first before the rain really began on the Saturday, and that'll stay the case as long as he's defending champion, of course.

anny12
10-16-2007, 06:34 AM
Sjengster, this is completely off topic, but everytime I see you post I have to read your quote at the end because it makes me laugh everytime. I keep picturing Roger walking into the spa naked, like it's completely normal.

buzz
10-16-2007, 09:28 AM
Here in Madrid Nadal plays a dubbel today before Roger even Played, and yes also on centercourt.

leng jai
10-16-2007, 09:42 AM
Maybe I am wrong, but as far as I can recall, Federer (almost) always gets one extra day to rest on master series tournaments (and often on GS tournaments too) by playing his first match day before (most) other players. In Madrid we have same situation. He will play on tuesday, then he will have one day off in the following five days. Other players (except Murray and Haas) need to play five days in a row in order to win tournament, and I think it could be nice advantage to have one extra day to rest somewhere in between. Wouldn't it be more fair if all seeded players have to start on wednsday? Ok, it is not possible in Madrid because there are only two courts, but on outdoor tournaments it is definitely possible. And even if it is not, they should use some kind of draw to decide who will play one day earlier, because somehow Federer always finds himself playing one day earlier (or maybe I am wrong?).

p.s. this thread is not directed against Roger, but against people who are making such silly schedule in order to earn more money from tickets, without considering fact that they are blowing tournament out of balance to some degree.

Because he has a large nose and an equally large girlfriend.

NikolaBGD
10-16-2007, 09:42 AM
Most time Federer has the day off, and that's a fact!!!

Rafa and Nole play every day and that's not fair, you all know that, but most of people here are in love with Federer, you can't say anything against him, all Swiss and other fanboys start to insult you, your nationality...

Guys, you are primitive!

scoobs
10-16-2007, 09:49 AM
Most time Federer has the day off, and that's a fact!!!

Rafa and Nole play every day and that's not fair, you all know that, but most of people here are in love with Federer, you can't say anything against him, all Swiss and other fanboys start to insult you, your nationality...

Guys, you are primitive!
Wrong dear.

See post above with some FACTS instead of just wild armwaving and pointless generalisations.

Thanks.

Tabledott
10-16-2007, 09:57 AM
Don't even think of questioning anything in relation to Federer. You will be trashed and told you are a troll. He's god on here.

God is God everywhere :)

NikolaBGD
10-16-2007, 09:58 AM
What is wrong???

Tell me dear scoobsuk isn't a true that Fed has a day off on most of the tournaments?!

Ok, you may say-he is a star, GOAT, sponsors blah..blah...

Personally, I think that Federer is greatest tennis player, greatest sports player ever...

And if he does, let's those who makes schedule has same rule for every player!

Grunge
10-16-2007, 10:19 AM
I sooo regret I even dared to start this thread. Thanx to all guys and girls who were open for normal discussion. And for those who just know how to insult other people - I wish you plenty of luck in your lives, you will need it. :wavey:

scoobs
10-16-2007, 10:19 AM
What is wrong???

Tell me dear scoobsuk isn't a true that Fed has a day off on most of the tournaments?!

Ok, you may say-he is a star, GOAT, sponsors blah..blah...

Personally, I think that Federer is greatest tennis player, greatest sports player ever...

And if he does, let's those who makes schedule has same rule for every player!
All players get a day off in most tournaments - don't you know anything?

Sometimes Federer gets a day off between his first and second matches, and sometimes he gets the day off before his first match.

It's quite simple really.

tennis2tennis
10-16-2007, 10:21 AM
The others will enjoy the "perks" when they take the no#1 mantle....oops i guess that won't happen any time soon:devil:

scoobs
10-16-2007, 10:25 AM
There are no "perks"

The question the schedulers at an event has to answer is "who do we want to put as our feature match?" - especially if they have a night session. Shockingly, Federer plays a lot of prime time matches, whatever prime time may be for that tournament - because he's #1. So does Nadal as #2 and now we have a stable #3 in Djokovic you can expect to see him doing so more. Also they may choose to put out local players for their feature match.

So last night in Madrid they had matches involving Spanish players. They decided to put Federer out as the feature match for Tuesday and no doubt Nadal vs Baghdatis will be the feature match on Wednesday.

They try and work out how to deploy their star attractions for maximum benefits, that's all.

NikolaBGD
10-16-2007, 10:40 AM
Simply question...

Why on every GS Federer starts in Monday(or Sunday) and #2 seeded in Tuesday?!

On RG and Wimbledon we always can expect rain delay, that extra day off means a lot...Because of stupid schedule in Wimbledon Nole played 4 days in a row, won first set against Rafa in SF and then fall apart...

In most of MS Fed start in Tuesday, Rafa in Wednesday...5 matches in a row against tough oponent!

You can always said-So fckn what?! but I expect some better answer...

decrepitude
10-16-2007, 11:15 AM
Simply question...

Why on every GS Federer starts in Monday(or Sunday) and #2 seeded in Tuesday?!

On RG and Wimbledon we always can expect rain delay, that extra day off means a lot...Because of stupid schedule in Wimbledon Nole played 4 days in a row, won first set against Rafa in SF and then fall apart...

In most of MS Fed start in Tuesday, Rafa in Wednesday...5 matches in a row against tough oponent!

You can always said-So fckn what?! but I expect some better answer...
Haven't you just pretty much answered your own question? The number 1 seed plays first, the number 2 seed plays second. If Rafa (or Djokovic, or whoever) takes the #1 slot from Roger, then he will be the one who plays first.

Rogiman
10-16-2007, 11:22 AM
Serbs :zzz:

NikolaBGD
10-16-2007, 11:26 AM
Jews:ras:

NikolaBGD
10-16-2007, 11:30 AM
Haven't you just pretty much answered your own question? The number 1 seed plays first, the number 2 seed plays second. If Rafa (or Djokovic, or whoever) takes the #1 slot from Roger, then he will be the one who plays first.


Ok, that's description!!!

Question here- can they make some better... this is not fair!

bigger fan=less brain

Renaud
10-16-2007, 11:41 AM
In most of MS Fed start in Tuesday, Rafa in Wednesday...5 matches in a row against tough oponent!



For Madrid easy explanation:
Spanish are Fedtards.

bokehlicious
10-16-2007, 11:41 AM
Most time Federer has the day off, and that's a fact!!!

Rafa and Nole play every day and that's not fair, you all know that, but most of people here are in love with Federer, you can't say anything against him, all Swiss and other fanboys start to insult you, your nationality...

Guys, you are primitive!

:retard: how many Swiss do you see on these boards ? :confused: compare this to the new bunch of Serbs who recently popped out of nowhere already claiming Djokovic as the indisputed GOAT ?

:retard:

NikolaBGD
10-16-2007, 11:51 AM
Nobody said Nole is a GOAT?!

I already said that Fed is the best player ever, but he is not a God...

nanoman
10-16-2007, 11:56 AM
Simply question...

Why on every GS Federer starts in Monday(or Sunday) and #2 seeded in Tuesday?!

On RG and Wimbledon we always can expect rain delay, that extra day off means a lot...Because of stupid schedule in Wimbledon Nole played 4 days in a row, won first set against Rafa in SF and then fall apart...

In most of MS Fed start in Tuesday, Rafa in Wednesday...5 matches in a row against tough oponent!

You can always said-So fckn what?! but I expect some better answer...

Wimbledon: Tradition; defending champ to open Centre Court play.
RolandGarros: Everybody in France hates Nadal, rightly so ! Actually I think Fed plays first because he's nr.1. And no, it doesn't mean sh1t, because instead of 1 days off, Fed now gets 2 days off. You could easily argue that that extra day off disrupted Fed's rythm.

As for Master series. Why don't you reply to Sjengster's post ?

zcess81
10-16-2007, 12:01 PM
in AMS top 8 players get a bye:)

Federer gets what he deserves...not easy to be at the top for so long. It's not like they make exception to the rule JUST for Federer. ATP rankings, Bye system etc everything is FAIR.

t0x
10-16-2007, 12:01 PM
Simply question...

Why on every GS Federer starts in Monday(or Sunday) and #2 seeded in Tuesday?!

On RG and Wimbledon we always can expect rain delay, that extra day off means a lot...Because of stupid schedule in Wimbledon Nole played 4 days in a row, won first set against Rafa in SF and then fall apart...



He does in Wimbledon because he's defending champ (the tradition). He doesn't all the time at majors like you suggest... last year I think he was second at the AO and the USO.

barbadosan
10-16-2007, 12:03 PM
Maybe Nikola missed Sjenster's post, so I'll quote it here:

He played Wednesday to Sunday straight at both Montreal and Cincinnati this year, and I doubt that a day's rest was instrumental in him winning Hamburg considering he still had a tough route through with many sets dropped. It didn't help him in Monte Carlo either, when Nadal played from Wednesday onwards and won comfortably in the final. Scheduling in IW, Miami and Rome made no difference as he lost early in all three events anyway.

It's clear that the thread starter isn't having a go at Federer, but I think it's equally clear that you can't really accuse tournament schedulers of blatant repeated favouritism. Wimbledon this year was of course an egregious example of lop-sided scheduling but while they were certainly to blame for not having play on the Sunday, they couldn't have anticipated the walkover from Haas which meant that Federer didn't have to play for almost a week. His half got their first-week matches in first before the rain really began on the Saturday, and that'll stay the case as long as he's defending champion, of course.

An added factor for scheduling must also be if singles players are playing doubles

nobama
10-16-2007, 12:03 PM
Simply question...

Why on every GS Federer starts in Monday(or Sunday) and #2 seeded in Tuesday?!

On RG and Wimbledon we always can expect rain delay, that extra day off means a lot...Because of stupid schedule in Wimbledon Nole played 4 days in a row, won first set against Rafa in SF and then fall apart...

In most of MS Fed start in Tuesday, Rafa in Wednesday...5 matches in a row against tough oponent!

You can always said-So fckn what?! but I expect some better answer...:bigcry:

scarecrows
10-16-2007, 12:04 PM
He does in Wimbledon because he's defending champ (the tradition). He doesn't all the time at majors like you suggest... last year I think he was second at the AO and the USO.

that's the key word here, some people started watching tennis only this year

last year Fed played first match at USOpen on wednesday night

zcess81
10-16-2007, 12:07 PM
that's the key word here, some people started watching tennis only this year

last year Fed played first match at USOpen on wednesday night

It's irrelevant when one starts watching tennis...believe me I know people that have been watching tennis all their lives make the most idiotic statements.

Tabledott
10-16-2007, 12:10 PM
Nobody said Nole is a GOAT?!

I already said that Fed is the best player ever, but he is not a God...

You' re wrong, Fed is god of tennis. He's the best player I've seen

Grunge
10-16-2007, 12:16 PM
Serbs :zzz:

Funny, but (sarcastic) song from popular Serbian band seems more and more real, in a way how others look at us. And here is lyrics:

We are the Serbs
We`ll fuck your Mothers
We`ll fuck your Sisters
We`ll fuck your Daughters
We`ll fuck your Dogs

We are the Serbs
We`ll ruin your Countries
We`ll burn your Cities
We`ll bomb your Lands
We`ll kill you ALL

We are the Serbs
We`ll **** your Fathers
We`ll **** your Brothers
We`ll **** your Sons
We`ll kill you ALL

We are the Serbs
We are the Nazis
We are the Reds
We are the Monsters
We`ll fuck your Dogs...

:)

I think guys who wrote that song had pretty good idea what rest of the world think about us. I thought this is serious board, but can't believe how much prejudice and stereotypes is possible to find here.
:wavey:

barbadosan
10-16-2007, 12:30 PM
Grunge:

I very much doubt that is how the rest of the world views you. I think you may be extrapolating too much from the regular MTF Fedtard/Djokotard/Rafatard name calling. Sometimes the same linkage is made between Roddick & the US aas between Djokovic and Serbia. I don't think you should take it so seriously :)

Rogiman
10-16-2007, 12:35 PM
Funny, but (sarcastic) song from popular Serbian band seems more and more real, in a way how others look at us. And here is lyrics:

We are the Serbs
We`ll fuck your Mothers
We`ll fuck your Sisters
We`ll fuck your Daughters
We`ll fuck your Dogs

We are the Serbs
We`ll ruin your Countries
We`ll burn your Cities
We`ll bomb your Lands
We`ll kill you ALL

We are the Serbs
We`ll **** your Fathers
We`ll **** your Brothers
We`ll **** your Sons
We`ll kill you ALL

We are the Serbs
We are the Nazis
We are the Reds
We are the Monsters
We`ll fuck your Dogs...

:)

I think guys who wrote that song had pretty good idea what rest of the world think about us. I thought this is serious board, but can't believe how much prejudice and stereotypes is possible to find here.
:wavey:Dude, I'm not into politics, here or anywhere else, It's just that all of you appeared at the same time and I could swear the only thing I hear from Serbs on this board is bitching about Federer and hailing Novak :lol:

Tennis is an international sport, there are other players in the world, not just Serbs, get over it already...

zcess81
10-16-2007, 12:43 PM
Dude, I'm not into politics, here or anywhere else, It's just that all of you appeared at the same time and I could swear the only thing I hear from Serbs on this board is bitching about Federer and hailing Novak :lol:

Tennis is an international sport, there are other players in the world, not just Serbs, get over it already...

How would you feel if Israeli was in top 5 (considering that Israel is not a tennis nation)?? I bet there would be tons of "you appearing at the same time":)

I mean look at the Brits for Christs sake...Murray isn't even in the top 10 and they keep on going on about him like he's in the top player. The only reason everyone calmed down recently about Murray is because he was injured for a long time.

Rogiman
10-16-2007, 12:46 PM
How would you feel if Israeli was in top 5 (considering that Israel is not a tennis nation)?? I bet there would be tons of "you appearing at the same time":)

Israel is a nothing nation, mate ;)

And yes, there would be thousands of them around, and I would feel horrible about that.

Tennis is an international sport, becoming a fan just because your countryman succeeds is plain silly.

zcess81
10-16-2007, 12:49 PM
Israel is a nothing nation, mate ;)

And yes, there would be thousands of them around, and I would feel horrible about that.

Tennis is an international sport, becoming a fan just because your countryman succeeds is plain silly.

Well it's not that simple. I know what you're saying but for a country that's been plagued by war (as you should very well know yourself) and economic crisis for so long any kind of success is a matter of national pride and a lot to be cheerful about. Is it so wrong??

Apemant
10-16-2007, 12:51 PM
Slowly but surely, the Serbs are losing it.

And Novak's career has hardly begun...

C'mon, there is no need to lump all Serbs together in such a fashion. Surely there are decent ones among them.

And besides, Nole is advancing rapidly, it's all too human to get a little carried away with it. I've seen some fanbases get overexcited over much less... :angel:

Rogiman
10-16-2007, 12:52 PM
Well it's not that simple. I know what you're saying but for a country that's been plagued by war (as you should very well know yourself) and economic crisis for so long any kind of success is a matter of national pride and a lot to be cheerful about. Is it so wrong??They've always been great in sports, nothing new about that.

And BTW, Israel has never experienced anything remotedly similar to the war in the Balcans.

zcess81
10-16-2007, 12:53 PM
On the similar matter, technically speaking Switzerland is not a tennis nation either. How many Swiss fans SUDDENLY emerged since the arrival if Hingis (not technically a swiss anyway) and Federer???

zcess81
10-16-2007, 12:54 PM
They've always been great in sports, nothing new about that.

And BTW, Israel has never experienced anything remotedly similar to the war in the Balcans.

you're right about that, but you've experienced it to a certain degree and you can understand the feeling.

Rogiman
10-16-2007, 12:56 PM
you're right about that, but you've experienced it to a certain degree and you can understand the feeling.I'm not a patriotic person and patriotism is for the weak IMO, so no, I can't understand the feeling.

zcess81
10-16-2007, 01:00 PM
I'm not a patriotic person and patriotism is for the weak IMO, so no, I can't understand the feeling.

You don't have to be patriotic to understand/experience war...and if you've been given nothing to cheer about for so long it's only natural to embrace it when it does come along. I'm sure even you can understand that.

zcess81
10-16-2007, 01:03 PM
I'm not a patriotic person and patriotism is for the weak IMO, so no, I can't understand the feeling.

And if patriotism is for the weak like you say you'd probably have no country and most of Europe would be speaking German right now.

Rogiman
10-16-2007, 01:06 PM
You don't have to be patriotic to understand/experience war...and if you've been given nothing to cheer about for so long it's only natural to embrace it when it does come along. I'm sure even you can understand that.Look, my country contains some of the most patriotic/nationalistic people you'd ever meet, (hundreds of thousands of them actually), I served in the army for 3 years, had some very unpleasant moments in Lebanon and the territories, and still I say there is no such thing as National joy.

I'm happy when good things happen in my personal life, not because some guy who happens by a chance to be from my country succeeds.

zcess81
10-16-2007, 01:12 PM
Patriotism can be ugly and violent at times, but it is necessary.

zcess81
10-16-2007, 01:16 PM
but hey this is tennis forum not a political debate, so let's leave the politics where it belongs and enjoy tennis...cause tennis makes much more sense than politics ever will.

That tennis kid
10-16-2007, 01:28 PM
To get back to the original topic: with regards to Madrid it is difficult to see who else could have been scheduled - Nadal is playing doubles, Djokovic just made a final on Sunday, likewise Davydenko, but he is hardly star billing.

Whilst unfortunate that some players get an extra rest day this does ease match congestion later on. This is less relevant here, but more so elsewhere with possible rain delays. Furthermore, with the rest day this early its not that important, certainly less influential than day vs. night matches later on.

Grunge
10-16-2007, 01:32 PM
@zcess81
Thanx for understanding :)

@Rogiman
When someone is patriotic, it means he loves his country (and that is very positive IMO). It doesn't mean he hate everyone else. I love my country, its culture, tradition, its people...I respect all other nations too, I admire to their achievements, but to be honest I am always happier when someone from my neighbourhood or my town succeed, than someone (for example) from Korea.
We are pretty poor country, and internationally we only have success in various sports. Thats why it means a lot to us when someone from this country rise above all problems and succeed globally.

p.s. I didnt even mention Serbia or our tennis players in my original post, and people started to provoke me on national basis. As I said, only reason for my post was to ask wouldnt it be better that all players have same schedule. I understand that maybe some posters from Serbia annoyed you before, but it is not reason to generalise.

zcess81
10-16-2007, 01:44 PM
@zcess81
Thanx for understanding :)

@Rogiman
When someone is patriotic, it means he loves his country (and that is very positive IMO). It doesn't mean he hate everyone else. I love my country, its culture, tradition, its people...I respect all other nations too, I admire to their achievements, but to be honest I am always happier when someone from my neighbourhood or my town succeed, than someone (for example) from Korea.
We are pretty poor country, and internationally we only have success in various sports. Thats why it means a lot to us when someone from this country rise above all problems and succeed globally.

p.s. I didnt even mention Serbia or our tennis players in my original post, and people started to provoke me on national basis. As I said, only reason for my post was to ask wouldnt it be better that all players have same schedule. I understand that maybe some posters from Serbia annoyed you before, but it is not reason to generalise.

look on the bright side, all this Novak hate can mean only one thing: He truly made it in the world of tennis. Cause I don't care who you are, if you don't have haters you didn't truly make it :)

Rogiman
10-16-2007, 02:10 PM
@zcess81
Thanx for understanding :)

@Rogiman
When someone is patriotic, it means he loves his country (and that is very positive IMO). It doesn't mean he hate everyone else. I love my country, its culture, tradition, its people...I respect all other nations too, I admire to their achievements, but to be honest I am always happier when someone from my neighbourhood or my town succeed, than someone (for example) from Korea.
We are pretty poor country, and internationally we only have success in various sports. Thats why it means a lot to us when someone from this country rise above all problems and succeed globally.

p.s. I didnt even mention Serbia or our tennis players in my original post, and people started to provoke me on national basis. As I said, only reason for my post was to ask wouldnt it be better that all players have same schedule. I understand that maybe some posters from Serbia annoyed you before, but it is not reason to generalise.Cheers, I guess I got tired of your fellow countrymen, nothing against you.

bokehlicious
10-16-2007, 02:13 PM
On the similar matter, technically speaking Switzerland is not a tennis nation either. How many Swiss fans SUDDENLY emerged since the arrival if Hingis (not technically a swiss anyway) and Federer???

Not that many if you ask me (compared to some other nations). :angel:

HarryMan
10-16-2007, 02:35 PM
The impact of these young Serb tennis players(Anna,Novak,Jelena) has led to the sudden rise in popularity of tennis in Serbia for sure.

And I also read somewhere that Tennis is already their number one sport which could be great news for tennis in the long run,because unlike most other sports, Tennis doesn't have a country completely passionate about it.So this could help generate more sponsors to the sport and also open a Brand new market.

I am 100% sure If Murray is able to succeed and challenge the top players in the next coming years,then Tennis would pick up tremendous popularity in the UK too.

That kind of an impact is Something Federer(inspite of all his success) could never ever do in his home country of Switzerland which is really really sad.

zcess81
10-16-2007, 03:14 PM
The impact of these young Serb tennis players(Anna,Novak,Jelena) has led to the sudden rise in popularity of tennis in Serbia for sure.

And I also read somewhere that Tennis is already their number one sport which could be great news for tennis in the long run,because unlike most other sports, Tennis doesn't have a country completely passionate about it.So this could help generate more sponsors to the sport and also open a Brand new market.

I am 100% sure If Murray is able to succeed and challenge the top players in the next coming years,then Tennis would pick up tremendous popularity in the UK too.

That kind of an impact is Something Federer(inspite of all his success) could never ever do in his home country of Switzerland which is really really sad.

Completely agree.

Grunge
10-16-2007, 03:15 PM
The impact of these young Serb tennis players(Anna,Novak,Jelena) has led to the sudden rise in popularity of tennis in Serbia for sure.

And I also read somewhere that Tennis is already their number one sport which could be great news for tennis in the long run,because unlike most other sports, Tennis doesn't have a country completely passionate about it.So this could help generate more sponsors to the sport and also open a Brand new market.

I am 100% sure If Murray is able to succeed and challenge the top players in the next coming years,then Tennis would pick up tremendous popularity in the UK too.

That kind of an impact is Something Federer(inspite of all his success) could never ever do in his home country of Switzerland which is really really sad.

Tennis is probably (I am afraid to use word definitely :) ) number one sport in Serbia _at_this_moment_. I am afraid it will not manage to keep its top position for very long time because people here are crazy for basketball (I LOVE it too ;) ) and football (yuck :o ), but it would be great if it keep fighting with theese two sports for popularity and domination.
It is very nice feeling when you take a walk in Belgrade, and you can see kids drawing "tennis courts" with blackboard chalk, and making "tennis nets" from rope and potato bags in every single street, so they can play tennis with their old wooden(or even hand-made) racquets :)
I think that image is saying more than 1000 words about tennis popularity in Serbia theese days.

Bobby
10-16-2007, 03:36 PM
Tennis is probably (I am afraid to use word definitely :) ) number one sport in Serbia _at_this_moment_. I am afraid it will not manage to keep its top position for very long time because people here are crazy for basketball (I LOVE it too ;) ) and football (yuck :o ), but it would be great if it keep fighting with theese two sports for popularity and domination.
It is very nice feeling when you take a walk in Belgrade, and you can see kids drawing "tennis courts" with blackboard chalk, and making "tennis nets" from rope and potato bags in every single street, so they can play tennis with their old wooden(or even hand-made) racquets :)
I think that image is saying more than 1000 words about tennis popularity in Serbia theese days.

Wow, sounds like you have a real tennis boom over there! If the kids are that excited, there will be more excellent players. And that's the way it should be. I wish things would be like that in Finland too. Nieminen is by far the best player we've ever had, but juniors are really not playing tennis on the streets. Maybe the things are too easy for juniors here. Expensive racquets, brand new shoes and all, but the attitude is not there. Anyway, let's hope you will have more good players!

zcess81
10-16-2007, 03:44 PM
Wow, sounds like you have a real tennis boom over there! If the kids are that excited, there will be more excellent players. And that's the way it should be. I wish things would be like that in Finland too. Nieminen is by far the best player we've ever had, but juniors are really not playing tennis on the streets. Maybe the things are too easy for juniors here. Expensive racquets, brand new shoes and all, but the attitude is not there. Anyway, let's hope you will have more good players!

I was always a fan of Nieminen.

Bobby
10-16-2007, 03:46 PM
I was always a fan of Nieminen.

So was I but it doesn't look very good for Jarkko.

HarryMan
10-16-2007, 03:47 PM
Tennis is probably (I am afraid to use word definitely :) ) number one sport in Serbia _at_this_moment_. I am afraid it will not manage to keep its top position for very long time because people here are crazy for basketball (I LOVE it too ;) ) and football (yuck :o ), but it would be great if it keep fighting with theese two sports for popularity and domination.

The very fact that it seems to compete with Football and Basketball tells that it has picked up really big time over there .

It is very nice feeling when you take a walk in Belgrade, and you can see kids drawing "tennis courts" with blackboard chalk, and making "tennis nets" from rope and potato bags in every single street, so they can play tennis with their old wooden(or even hand-made) racquets :)
I think that image is saying more than 1000 words about tennis popularity in Serbia theese days.

Wow !!That is really amazing to see such enthusiam amongst the youngsters and as long as Novak and the two girls (and maybe more talents in the future)do well I think it can only get better and bigger in your country.

bokehlicious
10-16-2007, 03:48 PM
That kind of an impact is Something Federer(inspite of all his success) could never ever do in his home country of Switzerland which is really really sad.

That is indeed quite sad :mad: :sad:

HarryMan
10-16-2007, 03:56 PM
That is indeed quite sad :mad: :sad:

How is the state of Tennis today in Switzerland ,I mean I had been there in 04 during Wimbledon time and I stayed In Geneva for a couple of months and the response was really pathetic towards Tennis and Federer in particular.

Has The state of tennis improved atleast a bit over there or is it the same ??

bokehlicious
10-16-2007, 04:01 PM
How is the state of Tennis today in Switzerland ,I mean I had been there in 04 during Wimbledon and I stayed In Geneva for a couple of months and the response was really pathetic towards Tennis and Federer in particular.

Has The state of tennis improved atleast a bit over there or is it the same ??

Well, tennis is not really that popular here (inspite Federer and Hingis some years ago), Federer is finally becoming a superstar (not that everybody loves him) though, and people seem to finally realize that Switzerland will never know such a sportsman ever again, and try to appreciate the moment...

HarryMan
10-16-2007, 04:10 PM
Well, tennis is not really that popular here (inspite Federer and Hingis some years ago), Federer is finally becoming a superstar (not that everybody loves him) though, and people seem to finally realize that Switzerland will never know such a sportsman ever again, and try to appreciate the moment...

Good to know its atleast somewhat better at the moment but then again Thats really pathetic and tearful that a player gets recognised in his own country only after he has won 12 slam titles!!

Magus13
10-16-2007, 05:37 PM
The schedule helps Djokovic and Davydenko by giving them an extra day off after playing last week and on Sunday in the Finals.