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How important is Shangai really?

Kuhne
10-14-2007, 10:15 PM
how important is TMC for you all? I know it usualy goes with the four slams first and then the TMC but is TMC really at the point where it is really that important for playes and fans? almost like a minislam? for example if a player like Nalbanian retires, does he feel a simiilar acomplishment feeling the way a one slam wonder would feel if they retire?

to me, TMC is extremly important, I personaly LOVE te tournament, the round robbin, everything. I love the fact that it is in china as well. a great country without a slam.

But are there any fans that relly go "bleh" at the TMC? or is it really officialy the undisputed most prestigious tournament in tennis after the slams?

in order what are your top six most important tournaments?

I guess for me the most important is Wimbledon followed by the US Open followed by the French and the the australian, then the masters cup and then I guess the sony ericsson in miami simply for the fact that it is the most attended and viewed non slam tournament i think.. i may be wrong.

Burrow
10-14-2007, 10:23 PM
I don't care for it.

scoobs
10-14-2007, 10:25 PM
I like the Tennis Masters Cup and personally I consider it a tier below the slams but a tier above the other AMS events because it's by definition the best players of the year in a final showdown.

The problem with the TMC is that it's only existed in its current form for less than a decade, before that it was the Grand Slam Cup and the ATP World Championships as separate events and before that the Masters and it's suffered by the changes in format, changes in name, and also to some extent changes in location. And of course it's going to undergo it yet again in 2009, in terms of name and location.

I think for someone like Nalbandian, knowing he won it will be a source of pride when he retires - but on the same scale as winning a slam? No.

After all, Alex Corretja won the event in 98 and while people can usually remember the slam winners, with the TMC and its predecessors a lot of non stats wonks wouldn't have a clue who won it every year.

Part of this is it has less prestige...part of it is it has had less TV coverage - consistently, anyway.

stebs
10-14-2007, 10:27 PM
For me the slams are equal at the top of the list. Then comes the TMC and there is no sixth best tournament, all the AMS events are equal as well. Obviously some years some AMS events are better attended but overall they are equal.

Burrow
10-14-2007, 10:32 PM
I like the Tennis Masters Cup and personally I consider it a tier below the slams but a tier above the other AMS events because it's by definition the best players of the year in a final showdown.

The problem with the TMC is that it's only existed in its current form for less than a decade, before that it was the Grand Slam Cup and the ATP World Championships as separate events and before that the Masters and it's suffered by the changes in format, changes in name, and also to some extent changes in location. And of course it's going to undergo it yet again in 2009, in terms of name and location.

I think for someone like Nalbandian, knowing he won it will be a source of pride when he retires - but on the same scale as winning a slam? No.

After all, Alex Corretja won the event in 98 and while people can usually remember the slam winners, with the TMC and its predecessors a lot of non stats wonks wouldn't have a clue who won it every year.

Part of this is it has less prestige...part of it is it has had less TV coverage - consistently, anyway.


The funny part about Nalbandian winning was the fact he never even qualified and ATP rang him up while he was on holiday, what a lucky guy.

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 10:35 PM
GS > TMC > TMS > clay TMS > Rotterdam > IS > challengers > clay IS > clay challengers.

scoobs
10-14-2007, 10:37 PM
The funny part about Nalbandian winning was the fact he never even qualified and ATP rang him up while he was on holiday, what a lucky guy.
Yeah I love that fact too...makes me smile.

Tzar
10-15-2007, 12:38 AM
1. Us Open
2. Roland Garros
3. Australian Open
Shanghai (only when Nalbandian is on it)
4. Wimbledon
5. Miami
6. MonteCarlo

lazyman
10-15-2007, 01:12 AM
1. Us Open
2. Roland Garros
3. Australian Open
Shanghai (only when Nalbandian is on it)
4. Wimbledon
5. Miami
6. MonteCarlo

how could wimbledon be so low on that list really it should be the most important because it has so much tradition. here in aus they ont show us many tourneys unless we got pay tv all we get is aus open and wimbledon. we get the semis and gf of the us open and no fo. we also get d/c when aus plays and our crappy little worthless other tournaments

Tzar
10-15-2007, 01:46 AM
how could wimbledon be so low on that list really it should be the most important because it has so much tradition. here in aus they ont show us many tourneys unless we got pay tv all we get is aus open and wimbledon. we get the semis and gf of the us open and no fo. we also get d/c when aus plays and our crappy little worthless other tournaments

Because in Wimbledon the word RALLY dont exist,, is so fast that it dosent give u time to appreciate :lol:

However i dont like it..

GlennMirnyi
10-15-2007, 01:52 AM
Because in Wimbledon the word RALLY dont exist,, is so fast that it dosent give u time to appreciate :lol:

However i dont like it..

:retard:

Are you watching reruns? There were rallies with over 30-40 strokes the last few years.

Andi-M
10-15-2007, 02:20 AM
1. Wimbledon/USO
2. AO/FO
3. TMC
4. Miami
5. All other AMS

TankingTheSet
10-15-2007, 02:31 AM
I wonder how the players feel about it. I think many people don't quite rate it that much. It's almost an afterthought closing off the indoor season, and I feel it doesn't have the prestige of big clay or hard Masters Series tournaments with a lot of history. The ATP likes to talk about it because of the $$$ and that's why it's in a place like China which doesn't help. As a sporting achievement I think winning Miami or Monte Carlo feels much better than TMC.

The move to London may help the prestige a little.

CmonAussie
10-15-2007, 01:06 PM
1. Wimbledon/USO
2. AO/FO
3. TMC
4. Miami
5. All other AMS

:rolleyes:
here`s my order:

1. AO/FO/Wimby/USO
2. TMC & Olympics
3. Rome
4. Miami, Indian Wells, Monte Carlo
5. All other AMS
6. Sydney, Barcelona, Queens, LA, Tokyo, Vienna
7. All other tourneys

leng jai
10-15-2007, 01:27 PM
More like...

1. Kooyong
2. Houston

and...the rest pales in comparison.

ezekiel
10-15-2007, 02:04 PM
nice idea , bad execution , bad location

It makes sense to have "playoffs" at the end of the year but it lacked any type of excitement like slams do and having it in china when all the big tournaments are in europe and america is just odd and no doubt inconvenient . Thankfully it will move to europe in 2009 and china gets a masters during the year

Fumus
10-15-2007, 06:54 PM
How important is it? Well the closer the race is for number 1 the more important it is. You see with a close race the cup, is supposed to be like Finale that determines who ends the year number 1. This year it could be the case, and if ending the year number 1 is something that you think is important than yea, lol, it's important. In years like the last couple where Fed had number 1 wrapped up than it's nothing more than just another tournement.

R.Federer
10-15-2007, 07:44 PM
Only 4 slams beat the WTF.

It is a great chance to see the best square off against one another, for sure. Even "shocks" only include No. 8 beating No. 5 and so on.

Kuhne
10-15-2007, 09:25 PM
Call me imature but I still cant get over the fact that the tournament is named WTF

DrJules
10-15-2007, 09:30 PM
Difficult question.

The quality of players and points awarded place it slightly above a master series events. However, it sometimes feels more like an exhibition event.

CmonAussie
10-16-2007, 06:24 AM
Call me imature but I still cant get over the fact that the tournament is named WTF


WTF:devil:
~~ WTF is wrong with the name WTF, it`s a totally ligit name for the ATP`s shining star:eek:
...if DISNEY thinks renaming it WTF is the best way to get in touch with the younger generation, then WTF can possibly go wrong:confused:

##
Whoever TF came up with What TF for the World TF championships obviously realised that WTF was so catchy that nobody would forget it:worship: ... any media attention is good media:angel:

buzz
10-16-2007, 09:11 AM
^hehe :)

LeChuck
10-16-2007, 09:27 AM
I'm not exactly a Roddick fan (to be polite), but I'll always be grateful to him for withdrawing from the Masters Cup in 2005, allowing David to replace him at Shanghai, and go onto win the title.

ezekiel
10-16-2007, 02:12 PM
It's precisely because "all the big tournaments are in Europe and America" that it's nice to see the WTF in China. Asia needs a major event, and with there being a cluster of tournaments in Asia during the post-USO portion of the season (Tōkyō, Bangkok, Bombay) it's not all that illogical to end the year there. It'll do better when it's moved to Europe, no doubt, but its time in China has only helped promote the sport there.

it's good to have it in Asia no doubt but it should be clustered with other asian events for convenience and better promotion . I would move madrid masters to Shanghai, Paris masters to Germany and Hamburg masters to spain.