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Djokovic beats Wawrinka 6-4 6-0

Als
10-14-2007, 12:23 PM
great win

Yappa
10-14-2007, 12:24 PM
So it was best of 3 after all. Both the english and the german commentator obviously had no clue what they were talking about.

Action Jackson
10-14-2007, 12:24 PM
Put the score in the thread, it isn't that hard to do.

Djokovic 6-4 6-0, well never in doubt really. Chela was the only true test he had this week.

Stani did well this week, too bad he couldn't make it more competitive in the final.

bokehlicious
10-14-2007, 12:24 PM
Wawa :rolleyes: :rolleyes: you fuckin' useless !

Sleepwalker64
10-14-2007, 12:26 PM
Keep it on!!!:worship: :worship:

martine2
10-14-2007, 12:27 PM
Best player won today. Congrats Nole :yeah:

Stan :sad: but kudos for the performance in Vienna!

bokehlicious
10-14-2007, 12:31 PM
The "Swiss who loses" is a well deserved nickname...

NikolaBGD
10-14-2007, 12:34 PM
TOO STRONG...

Next No.1

HarryMan
10-14-2007, 12:34 PM
Absolute Schooling :haha: :haha:

Anyway This is where Djokovic seperates himself from the pack of other youngsters at the moment .He was almost knocked out by Chela in the quarters but somehow managed to win that match and then went on to clinch this title without much discomfort at all.

Congrats to Him for an excellent week and he definitely has a very bright future ahead of him.

Stan had a great week too but he was completely outplayed by the better player today .

Jaap
10-14-2007, 12:35 PM
Too good, Djoko.

stebs
10-14-2007, 12:35 PM
For those criticising Wawa well perhaps he should've done better in the first set and if you look at the way the points were played he had chances to make them his and at least get to a breaker. However, Djokovic played an outrageously brilliant second set. It was the Djokovic masterclass and only Federer on top form or a monster server bombing out aces would've even got to a breaker against that play. When Wawrinka is trying to win points by changing it up to provoke the short ball or errors what can he do when Djokovic plays super aggressive and yet goes through the set without making an error?

bokehlicious
10-14-2007, 12:36 PM
TOO STRONG...

Next No.1

Owning MM tourneys means nothing :)

scoobs
10-14-2007, 12:38 PM
Tight first set.

Absolute beatdown in the second - Djokovic only surrendered 4 points in the set and didn't make a single unforced error.

HarryMan
10-14-2007, 12:41 PM
Well It was a MM tournament Nodoubt but as Stebs rightly said if you watched the second set performance by Djokovic,then I am sure you would agree that not many would have stood a chance againt him in that mode.

Jelena_78
10-14-2007, 12:42 PM
:worship:

Great performance Novak! Congrats for the title!!!

:clap2: :hatoff:

bokehlicious
10-14-2007, 12:43 PM
Well It was a MM tournament Nodoubt but as Stebs rightly said if you watched the second set performance by Djokovic,then I am sure you would agree that not many would have stood a chance againt him in that mode.

Nole wouldn't have been allowed to play at such a level had he faced a half decent opponent... :o

leng jai
10-14-2007, 12:43 PM
I somehow doubt that Fakervic would be able to produce a set like that against Federer.

sawan66278
10-14-2007, 12:45 PM
Anyway This is where Djokovic seperates himself from the pack of other youngsters at the moment .He was almost knocked out by Chela in the quarters but somehow managed to win that match

You're SO right. Darth Cheater separates himself from his peers by his utilization of "timely" injury timeouts...and ball bouncing distractions...THAT is how he knocked out Chela...

I would like to know if someone has this stat recorded: how many tournaments has Darth Cheater won without taking an injury timeout during one of his matches? I would almost guarantee the answer would be zero.

Savo
10-14-2007, 12:48 PM
Good one Nole. The second set was something else. Now it's time to close in on Nadal in Madrid.

stebs
10-14-2007, 12:56 PM
I somehow doubt that Fakervic would be able to produce a set like that against Federer.

Wawrinka doesn't have the ability, variety or mental strength of Federer and obviously the rankings show that. However, it seems to have become a trend to insult players or at least play down their successes in MM's. No it doesn't mean he is the next GOAT or any rubbish like that but when you come to an MM tournament the best you can do is win it and in a set the best you can do is make 0 errors and lose just 4 points against a pretty decent player. No he wouldn't do it against Federer but that doesn't mean it's not a n acheivement.

adee-gee
10-14-2007, 12:56 PM
Congrats Nole, good win :yeah:

Stan :sad: 4 points in the 2nd set?!? :speakles:

Action Jackson
10-14-2007, 12:58 PM
I somehow doubt that Fakervic would be able to produce a set like that against Federer.

Why would he able to do that, when Federer is a much better than Wawrinka.

leng jai
10-14-2007, 01:03 PM
Wawrinka doesn't have the ability, variety or mental strength of Federer and obviously the rankings show that. However, it seems to have become a trend to insult players or at least play down their successes in MM's. No it doesn't mean he is the next GOAT or any rubbish like that but when you come to an MM tournament the best you can do is win it and in a set the best you can do is make 0 errors and lose just 4 points against a pretty decent player. No he wouldn't do it against Federer but that doesn't mean it's not a n acheivement.

Doesn't change the fact that playing like that in a tournament like that is less meaningful. I mean its fine to say it was awesome but you can't say something like "oh only Federer would be able to him to a tiebreak in the second set today" because everything is different when you're with a new opponent. I never said anything about it not being an achievement or insulting Stan in any way. Haas demolished Roddick at Memphis this year but it means jack all in the scheme of things, it would have meant a whole lot more if he played like that one of his GS quarters/semis.

leng jai
10-14-2007, 01:05 PM
Why would he able to do that, when Federer is a much better than Wawrinka.

I was responding to this comment by Stebs..

"It was the Djokovic masterclass and only Federer on top form or a monster server bombing out aces would've even got to a breaker against that play"

Kolya
10-14-2007, 01:05 PM
Too easy.

Jelena_78
10-14-2007, 01:06 PM
You're SO right. Darth Cheater separates himself from his peers by his utilization of "timely" injury timeouts...and ball bouncing distractions...THAT is how he knocked out Chela...

I would like to know if someone has this stat recorded: how many tournaments has Darth Cheater won without taking an injury timeout during one of his matches? I would almost guarantee the answer would be zero.


What took you so long?!:eek:

:lol: :haha:

MaryX
10-14-2007, 01:07 PM
Great second set!:worship:

ezekiel
10-14-2007, 01:21 PM
oh la la la that was too good, he had that forehand going. How quickly times change from last year?

Now it's really time for Nole to have consecutive tourneys play well with no hangover. I don't know but 3 days is enough for him to do well in Madrid

Bilbo
10-14-2007, 01:23 PM
expected one

ezekiel
10-14-2007, 01:24 PM
Doesn't change the fact that playing like that in a tournament like that is less meaningful. I mean its fine to say it was awesome but you can't say something like "oh only Federer would be able to him to a tiebreak in the second set today" because everything is different when you're with a new opponent. I never said anything about it not being an achievement or insulting Stan in any way. Haas demolished Roddick at Memphis this year but it means jack all in the scheme of things, it would have meant a whole lot more if he played like that one of his GS quarters/semis.

He hasn't won a slam yet so he doesn't know how meaningful it is in the grand scheme of things but it bodes well to win a final over a guy that easily defeated him last year.

KitinovRules
10-14-2007, 01:30 PM
Djokovic was lucky enough to serve a very good serve at breakpoint in the first set.
After that Stan got too much tight and Djoko just relaxed and played very well.

And Stan played one of the worst sets in the year.
However, credit to Djoko.

NikolaBGD
10-14-2007, 01:34 PM
lucky?! :)

He always does it(except in US Open final)...

Macedonian hater, better made some Top200 player then shit here!

ReturnWinner
10-14-2007, 01:34 PM
Fakevic too good, thank god I did not watch this match

MaryX
10-14-2007, 01:43 PM
What took you so long?!:eek:

:lol: :haha:

:haha:
Oh, yes, I forgot to ask:how many timeouts and bounces in total ?! Million dollar question!

Djokovic was lucky enough to serve a very good serve at breakpoint in the first set.
After that Stan got too much tight and Djoko just relaxed and played very well.

And Stan played one of the worst sets in the year.
However, credit to Djoko.

And, yes, the list of attributes is getting longer and longer-lucky is now one of them!:worship:

Corey Feldman
10-14-2007, 01:44 PM
Vienna Champion... Just give Djokovic the GOAT tag already.

:worship:

foul_dwimmerlaik
10-14-2007, 01:46 PM
Solid dominating performance. Stan was out of his league.

Savo
10-14-2007, 01:53 PM
Calling Novak lucky, that's a good thing. It means he's getting closer to the luckiest guy on the planet, the Swiss Master himself.

Jaffas85
10-14-2007, 01:56 PM
Is Djokovic a strong contender to win Madrid or Paris?

Possibly Paris as Fed/Nadal never play there.

bokehlicious
10-14-2007, 02:08 PM
Vienna Champion... Just give Djokovic the GOAT tag already.

:worship:

His 10 years of utter domination has just begun :worship: :cool:

Alex999
10-14-2007, 02:10 PM
Well done Novak. Congrats to you.

DrJules
10-14-2007, 02:11 PM
Is Djokovic a strong contender to win Madrid or Paris?

Possibly Paris as Fed/Nadal never play there.

Djokovic would need to win in successive weeks to win Madrid which is never easy.

*snowflake*
10-14-2007, 02:19 PM
Congrats to Novak, nice win, but dammit Stani Boy, not even one game in the second set??? :smash:

Deivid23
10-14-2007, 02:25 PM
Nole :yeah:

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-14-2007, 02:25 PM
TOO STRONG...

Next No.1

Have you seen chokovic play in Grand Slam finals.

Real #1s win matches where the opponent is trying to lose.

Billabong
10-14-2007, 02:36 PM
WOW congrats Djoko, way too strong:yeah:
Stan:hug:

stebs
10-14-2007, 02:38 PM
I was responding to this comment by Stebs..

"It was the Djokovic masterclass and only Federer on top form or a monster server bombing out aces would've even got to a breaker against that play"

Shocking as it may be to you I am not new to the concept of matchups and of course it changes things but when you serve well, defend well, attack well, vary your play well, volley well, return well and concentrate well then you are playing very well indeed and those attributes can apply to any matchup. Obviously things are going to be different against different players and again shocking as it may seem I am aware of the quality difference between Wawa and Federer but Wawa did actually mix it up pretty well and Djokovic had all the answers in much the same way Federer has all the answers when he hits top form. Djokovic is no Federer and it takes a guy like Ezekiel to believe he is as good or better but that was a great set of tennis whether it was against the world #41 or not.

Alex999
10-14-2007, 02:54 PM
Novak now leads the ATP circuit with his 65-14 match record for the season. Nadal is in second place with a 62-11 record. The Serbian, who has already qualified for Tennis Masters Cup Shanghai, is also in third in the ATP circuit with five titles for the season; Nadal and Federer both have six.

ezekiel
10-14-2007, 03:05 PM
Djokovic is no Federer and it takes a guy like Ezekiel to believe he is as good or better but that was a great set of tennis whether it was against the world #41 or not.


Hmmm, since I am called I beg to differ, Nole is much better than Federer at the same age . Nole is not yet in his prime, maybe a year or two away but given his rapid improvement and maturation I see him being an upgrade on Federer in terms of overall strokes and athleticism. I am biased but when making predictions I try to be realistic since I'd rather be right . It takes a hater of STD proportions to believe he will not achieve anything big or challenge Federer and Nadal.

ezekiel
10-14-2007, 03:11 PM
Novak now leads the ATP circuit with his 65-14 match record for the season. Nadal is in second place with a 62-11 record. The Serbian, who has already qualified for Tennis Masters Cup Shanghai, is also in third in the ATP circuit with five titles for the season; Nadal and Federer both have six.

thanks, that's amazing especially since many of his losses could have gone the other way

stebs
10-14-2007, 03:11 PM
Hmmm, since I am called I beg to differ, Nole is much better than Federer at the same age . Nole is not yet in his prime, maybe a year or two away but given his rapid improvement and maturation I see him being an upgrade on Federer in terms of overall strokes and athleticism. I am biased but when making predictions I try to be realistic since I'd rather be right . It takes a hater of STD proportions to believe he will not achieve anything big or challenge Federer and Nadal.

Well I appreciate that you are trying to be realistic and this is a lot better than the boring repetition of a troll like RFK but you are being biased if you believe Djokovic has better strokes than Federer or ever will have. He is a better player now than Federer was then I agree but the room for improvement is not there and I guess that 9/10 Djokovic fans on here would agree conmpletely that Djokovic will never become what Federer has been for the last 4 years.

I am not a hater of anyone, my opinion is this, he will win a slam in the next two years and possibly two. I certainly see him reaching three slam finals in the next two years. I also see him beating Federer now and then and hopefully (for the sake of competition) challenging Nadal on clay as well. The guy is a tip top player and by the end of next year I foresee him, Federer and Nadal being even closer in terms of ranking points than they are now and I don't know who will come out on top.

My opinion, whether you want to believe it or not, you are foolish if you think Djokovic has 12 grand slams in him, half that is a far more realistic aim and even that is pushing it considering right now he is still an emerging talent. Maybe my opinion is completely wrong and he will win 20 slams and become unchallenged GOAT but I just don't see it happening.

Corey Feldman
10-14-2007, 03:12 PM
Nole is much better than Federer at the same age Oh, its that line again.

:rolls:

at least Fed at 19 could take out Sampras in a slam, Who did Nole ever beat yet?

Juan Monaco, Feliciano Lopez ... :woohoo:

Corey Feldman
10-14-2007, 03:14 PM
Novak now leads the ATP circuit with his 65-14 match record for the season.

thanks, that's amazing especially since many of his losses could have gone the other way

Cmon Damir, say what you really wanna say... "the record should be 79-0"

:lol:

World Beater
10-14-2007, 03:30 PM
Hmmm, since I am called I beg to differ, Nole is much better than Federer at the same age . Nole is not yet in his prime, maybe a year or two away but given his rapid improvement and maturation I see him being an upgrade on Federer in terms of overall strokes and athleticism. I am biased but when making predictions I try to be realistic since I'd rather be right . It takes a hater of STD proportions to believe he will not achieve anything big or challenge Federer and Nadal.

:cuckoo:

congrats on nole being a better player than federer at the same age.

so was hewitt, chang etc. So it doesnt mean anything for future greatness.

i have no doubt nole will be a great player who will win some slams but he isnt the next federer and certainly isn't an upgrade on roger.

i doubt nole's game will change much.

Beat
10-14-2007, 03:35 PM
:sobbing: still a great tournament for wawrinka.

MCL
10-14-2007, 03:40 PM
It sounds like it was a beatdown. :hatoff: to Nole winning his fifth title of the year.

bokehlicious
10-14-2007, 03:48 PM
It takes a hater of STD proportions to believe he will not achieve anything big or challenge Federer and Nadal.

:lol: it takes a fanboy of STD proportions to believe he will dominate the tour for the next 10 years :o

Alex999
10-14-2007, 03:50 PM
:sobbing: still a great tournament for wawrinka.

Wawrinka did so well in Vienna. Great job Stan :)

aeronatasha
10-14-2007, 04:14 PM
Not a single error in 2nd set. Haven't seen that done by him before.

ezekiel
10-14-2007, 04:38 PM
Well I appreciate that you are trying to be realistic and this is a lot better than the boring repetition of a troll like RFK but you are being biased if you believe Djokovic has better strokes than Federer or ever will have. He is a better player now than Federer was then I agree but the room for improvement is not there and I guess that 9/10 Djokovic fans on here would agree conmpletely that Djokovic will never become what Federer has been for the last 4 years.

I am not a hater of anyone, my opinion is this, he will win a slam in the next two years and possibly two. I certainly see him reaching three slam finals in the next two years. I also see him beating Federer now and then and hopefully (for the sake of competition) challenging Nadal on clay as well. The guy is a tip top player and by the end of next year I foresee him, Federer and Nadal being even closer in terms of ranking points than they are now and I don't know who will come out on top.

My opinion, whether you want to believe it or not, you are foolish if you think Djokovic has 12 grand slams in him, half that is a far more realistic aim and even that is pushing it considering right now he is still an emerging talent. Maybe my opinion is completely wrong and he will win 20 slams and become unchallenged GOAT but I just don't see it happening.

So even you are Nole fan now ?

You think Federer is untouchable and Nole for one can't touch him ?

and calling Nole "emerging talent" is just wrong , he is already an elite player this year

ezekiel
10-14-2007, 04:47 PM
:lol: it takes a fanboy of STD proportions to believe he will dominate the tour for the next 10 years :o

I said that he will be elite for 10 years and only Nadal will be his competition from his generation . He won't disappear in 2 years barring injuries. I don't know what will come after him but great players have at least 10 years of dominance like Sampras and probably Federer

stebs
10-14-2007, 04:51 PM
So even you are Nole fan now ?

You think Federer is untouchable and Nole for one can't touch him ?

and calling Nole "emerging talent" is just wrong , he is already an elite player this year

I am not a fan of Djokovic and I didn't state that in the post but he is a top player and I like watching all the players that can play good tennis and Djokovic is one of these.

I didn't say anything about Federer being untouchable and Djokovic realistically could've won the USO this year with very little about the match changing, one big serve in the first set and one big return in the second and it could easily have been 2-0. Nole can touch him and Nole can beat him but Nole is never going to be as good a player as Federer has been over the last four years and it doesn't take a genius to work that out.

Well if you want to talk semantics that's fine but Djokovic hasn't hit his peak yet and is just out of his teens and for me that is emerging talent. The fact that he is already elite doesn't chnage it. I mean Berdych won an AMS title two years ago but he was still an emerging talent and yes Djokovic has acheived far more and his position is being cemented surely but give it a few months before taking him for granted.

stebs
10-14-2007, 04:53 PM
I said that he will be elite for 10 years and only Nadal will be his competition from his generation . He won't disappear in 2 years barring injuries. I don't know what will come after him but great players have at least 10 years of dominance like Sampras and probably Federer

1. Sampras didn't have 10 years of dominance
2. Federer hasn't and will not have 10 years of dominance
3. Djokovic will not have 10 years of dominance
4. No open era tennis player has dominated for longer than 5 years
5. The next 10 years will not be dominated by Nadal and Djokovic only

Mike Kim
10-14-2007, 05:19 PM
Hate to see this Djokovic character doing well, he is so bad for the game and not a good natured player :shrug:

DrJules
10-14-2007, 05:33 PM
Hmmm, since I am called I beg to differ, Nole is much better than Federer at the same age . Nole is not yet in his prime, maybe a year or two away but given his rapid improvement and maturation I see him being an upgrade on Federer in terms of overall strokes and athleticism. I am biased but when making predictions I try to be realistic since I'd rather be right . It takes a hater of STD proportions to believe he will not achieve anything big or challenge Federer and Nadal.

Comparing Djokovic with Federer is not the best of comparions.

Federer has more flair, variety and talent to his game than Djokovic. It enables him to play a spectacular and exciting attacking game with extravagant shots that would result in too many unforced errors in other players.

Djokovic is best compared to Lendl with his solid, steady and mechanical baseline power play with planned movements to the net. The constant power hitting with few errors will make him very solid and difficult to beat. If you look at the historic performance of Lendl you will see that it could result in Djokovic being incredibly successful.

Overall Djokovic could be very successful with his solid and methodical approach to tennis, but will never be among the most exciting or entertaining of players.

Alex999
10-14-2007, 05:38 PM
Hate to see this Djokovic character doing well, he is so bad for the game and not a good natured player :shrug:

:smash: :bs: :silly:

Andi-M
10-14-2007, 05:51 PM
Have you seen chokovic play in Grand Slam finals.

Real #1s win matches where the opponent is trying to lose.

Get over it already....

Nole choked so what it happens to everyone...remember Nadal in the Wimbledon final!!

Dont be jumping on his bandwagon again when he defats Federer next weekend.

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 05:54 PM
How many timeouts?

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 05:56 PM
I said that he will be elite for 10 years and only Nadal will be his competition from his generation . He won't disappear in 2 years barring injuries. I don't know what will come after him but great players have at least 10 years of dominance like Sampras and probably Federer

Wow, human idiocy knows no boundaries.

Eden
10-14-2007, 06:10 PM
Congrats to Novak for taking the title, but also credit to Stan for reaching his second final this year after Stuttgart :)

There's nothing to be ashamed of to lose against the No. 2 and 3 players in a final.

Sleepwalker64
10-14-2007, 06:37 PM
Wow, human idiocy knows no boundaries.

You are the perfect example....

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 06:39 PM
You are the perfect example....

Change your username for SleepposterIQ64 and it will make much more sense.

sawan66278
10-14-2007, 06:41 PM
Nole is much better than Federer at the same age

Um...and Sebastian Telfair was much better than Michael Jordan at 18 years of age. GIVE ME A BREAK...

Let's face it: the Darth Cheater fans are delusional...or simply blinded by nationalistic pride. Winning even six slams in a career would be a monumental achievement for ANY player. Just look at Boris Becker and Stefan Edberg (two six slam winners). And, let's face it, objectively, Darth Cheater is not in the same league talent-wise as those former legends.

Let's see him win a SINGLE SET in a major final first...

Vlad
10-14-2007, 06:47 PM
Um...and Sebastian Telfair was much better than Michael Jordan at 18 years of age. GIVE ME A BREAK...

Let's face it: the Darth Cheater fans are delusional...or simply blinded by nationalistic pride. Winning even six slams in a career would be a monumental achievement for ANY player. Just look at Boris Becker and Stefan Edberg (two six slam winners). And, let's face it, objectively, Darth Cheater is not in the same league talent-wise as those former legends.

Let's see him win a SINGLE SET in a major final first...

Nerd

trixtah
10-14-2007, 06:48 PM
:lol: it takes a fanboy of STD proportions to believe he will dominate the tour for the next 10 years :o

it takes a retard of STD proportions to believe that he is good enough to say that any pro "sucks"

Wow, human idiocy knows no boundaries.

funny coming from you.

ooo dissed two clowns with one post

Stebs, you have some good comments in here that most people probably passed over on their way to the last page to make some inane comments. I can't believe how many clowns on this board can say that a top 10 player sucks when it's 100% certain that they couldn't take a game off of one if it was handed to them.

bokehlicious
10-14-2007, 06:56 PM
it takes a retard of STD proportions to believe that he is good enough to say that any pro "sucks"

WTF are you talking about clown ? Djokovic's fanboys already think he's the tennis GOAT, which is of course quite laughable :)

Btw, when did I say that "any pro sucked" ? :confused: :retard:

trixtah
10-14-2007, 06:58 PM
WTF are you talking about clown ? Djokovic's fanboys already think he's the tennis GOAT, which is of course quite laughable :)

Btw, when did I say that "any pro sucked" ? :confused: :retard:

reading comprehension would do you a world of good. Misplacing quotations tends to have the effect of misinterpretation for retards.

and below this post

Hwang-Kyong, go back to your work at China In Box and shut the hell up.

Right on CUE! :yeah:

MariaV
10-14-2007, 06:59 PM
WTF are you talking about clown ? Djokovic's fanboys already think he's the tennis GOAT, which is of course quite laughable :)

Btw, when did I say that "any pro sucked" ? :confused: :retard:

:yeah: :worship: :bowdown:
:wavey: Hiii my love, I'm right here with you! :hearts: :inlove: :yeah:

Peoples
10-14-2007, 06:59 PM
For those criticising Wawa well perhaps he should've done better in the first set and if you look at the way the points were played he had chances to make them his and at least get to a breaker. However, Djokovic played an outrageously brilliant second set. It was the Djokovic masterclass and only Federer on top form or a monster server bombing out aces would've even got to a breaker against that play. When Wawrinka is trying to win points by changing it up to provoke the short ball or errors what can he do when Djokovic plays super aggressive and yet goes through the set without making an error?

You're making the mistake of assuming that Djokovic's level doesn't depend on opponent. It's no use guessing how Federer would have fared.

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 07:01 PM
Hwang-Kyong, go back to your work at China In Box and shut the hell up.

Or Levy
10-14-2007, 07:08 PM
Well, I only watched the first set and I left with the hope Stan could make it competitive in the second as well, I didn't expect a bagel. Man, Nole is going to be so dangerous in Shanhai.

FedFan_2007
10-14-2007, 07:10 PM
Bagel against Wawa doesn't mean anything.

Allure
10-14-2007, 07:12 PM
Comparing Djokovic with Federer is not the best of comparions.

Federer has more flair, variety and talent to his game than Djokovic. It enables him to play a spectacular and exciting attacking game with extravagant shots that would result in too many unforced errors in other players.

Djokovic is best compared to Lendl with his solid, steady and mechanical baseline power play with planned movements to the net. The constant power hitting with few errors will make him very solid and difficult to beat. If you look at the historic performance of Lendl you will see that it could result in Djokovic being incredibly successful.

Overall Djokovic could be very successful with his solid and methodical approach to tennis, but will never be among the most exciting or entertaining of players.

:worship:

I always thought that Federer's game is exciting while Djoke is good but too mechanical and consistent. Sure he's talented and has no real weaknesses but there's nothing spectacular about his game. You get what you see. He's a solid player period.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-14-2007, 07:21 PM
Get over it already....

Nole choked so what it happens to everyone...remember Nadal in the Wimbledon final!!

Dont be jumping on his bandwagon again when he defats Federer next weekend.

Djokovic will beat Federer in Madrid or Paris just to pansy out in the Australian Open.

He is not man enough to win grand slams.

gmak
10-14-2007, 07:23 PM
Djole :worship: :yeah: :woohoo:

total beatdown! :)

stebs
10-14-2007, 07:41 PM
You're making the mistake of assuming that Djokovic's level doesn't depend on opponent. It's no use guessing how Federer would have fared.

I realise this and another post in this thread explains it better.

Merton
10-14-2007, 07:47 PM
Congrats Nole, after surviving against Chela he hit into high gear. Sad that Stan could not produce his best level in the final.

ezekiel
10-14-2007, 07:58 PM
Um...and Sebastian Telfair was much better than Michael Jordan at 18 years of age. GIVE ME A BREAK...

Let's face it: the Darth Cheater fans are delusional...or simply blinded by nationalistic pride. Winning even six slams in a career would be a monumental achievement for ANY player. Just look at Boris Becker and Stefan Edberg (two six slam winners). And, let's face it, objectively, Darth Cheater is not in the same league talent-wise as those former legends.

Let's see him win a SINGLE SET in a major final first...

you objective :eek:
The reason their records matter to this age is that they are the same build and very similar game so they have a lot to compare to .

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 08:00 PM
you objective :eek:
The reason their records matter to this age is that they are the same build and very similar game so they have a lot to compare to .

Similar game?

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

BalkanBoy
10-14-2007, 08:01 PM
Well done Nole!!! Now it's time for the other Swiss on the list to get used to that medicine :)

Snowwy
10-14-2007, 08:01 PM
and Sebastian Telfair was much better than Michael Jordan at 18 years of age

Are you on CRACK.

Magus13
10-14-2007, 08:05 PM
Are we talking about winning Vienna. Have some fucking perspective.

bokehlicious
10-14-2007, 08:07 PM
you objective :eek:
The reason their records matter to this age is that they are the same build and very similar game so they have a lot to compare to .

Huh, similar game ?!?! You wish :lol: :lol:

Allure
10-14-2007, 08:09 PM
They both can hit the ball with their racket. Similar games. :worship:

ChinoRios4Ever
10-14-2007, 08:10 PM
Nole is too good for the rest of the ATP.

outstanding perfomance once again

Corswandt
10-14-2007, 09:17 PM
However, Djokovic played an outrageously brilliant second set. It was the Djokovic masterclass and only Federer on top form or a monster server bombing out aces would've even got to a breaker against that play. When Wawrinka is trying to win points by changing it up to provoke the short ball or errors what can he do when Djokovic plays super aggressive and yet goes through the set without making an error?

Quite. Nole's performance on the 2nd set was just scarily perfect.

ezekiel
10-14-2007, 09:58 PM
Huh, similar game ?!?! You wish :lol: :lol:

are you sarcastic ? funny? I know you try it but it's hard to tell . Anyway don't take it too seriously

ezekiel
10-14-2007, 10:08 PM
They both can hit the ball with their racket. Similar games. :worship:

The only guy who was compared to great Fed was Gasquet and Nole is arguably an unpgrade to be compared to as successor. Come on , you should be flattered :worship: :D :) ;) :angel: :wavey:

NYCtennisfan
10-14-2007, 10:08 PM
Hmmm, since I am called I beg to differ, Nole is much better than Federer at the same age . Nole is not yet in his prime, maybe a year or two away but given his rapid improvement and maturation I see him being an upgrade on Federer in terms of overall strokes and athleticism. I am biased but when making predictions I try to be realistic since I'd rather be right . It takes a hater of STD proportions to believe he will not achieve anything big or challenge Federer and Nadal.

You're right...he's not in his prime yet and won't be for 2 or more years, but that doesn't mean that he will magically have the game Federer does or the strokes. He's going to be #1, win multiple slams multiple times, but he is not an upgrade of Federer.

It's also interesting to hear someone predict 10 years of dominance for anyone, especially considering they don't even "the format" of the TMC. What historical perspective do you have? Federer won't have 10 years of dominance and neither will Djoko. Lendl came close, Sampras came close, a few other players got to 7 or 8 great years, but in today's game, 10 years of dominance will be nearly impossible.

tangerine_dream
10-14-2007, 10:13 PM
Excellente, Novak. :bigclap:

ezekiel
10-14-2007, 10:19 PM
You're right...he's not in his prime yet and won't be for 2 or more years, but that doesn't mean that he will magically have the game Federer does or the strokes. He's going to be #1, win multiple slams multiple times, but he is not an upgrade of Federer.

It's also interesting to hear someone predict 10 years of dominance for anyone, especially considering they don't even "the format" of the TMC. What historical perspective do you have? Federer won't have 10 years of dominance and neither will Djoko. Lendl came close, Sampras came close, a few other players got to 7 or 8 great years, but in today's game, 10 years of dominance will be nearly impossible.

I said domination but I meant elite status. No competitive sports today has constant domination, that's not realistic, think san antonio spurs

Ok you are a Fed fan so you think Fed is untouchable much like a Sampras fan thought in 2002. That's some historical perspective .

Allure
10-14-2007, 10:27 PM
You're right...he's not in his prime yet and won't be for 2 or more years, but that doesn't mean that he will magically have the game Federer does or the strokes. He's going to be #1, win multiple slams multiple times, but he is not an upgrade of Federer.

It's also interesting to hear someone predict 10 years of dominance for anyone, especially considering they don't even "the format" of the TMC. What historical perspective do you have? Federer won't have 10 years of dominance and neither will Djoko. Lendl came close, Sampras came close, a few other players got to 7 or 8 great years, but in today's game, 10 years of dominance will be nearly impossible.

Ezekiel won't understand reasonable logic. Talk more like an assclown please.

Eden
10-14-2007, 10:41 PM
Ok you are a Fed fan so you think Fed is untouchable much like a Sampras fan thought in 2002. That's some historical perspective .

I think you are accusing the wrong person in NYC to have the pink glasses on. He is one of the users on MTF with the best tennisknowledges and he is always unbiased in his comments.

Where did he say that Federer would be untouchable? Infact he foresees a huge career for Djokovic, but right now noone can say how the career will really develop. Too many things have happened in tennis.

Why don't you just relax a little bit and enjoy Novaks career right now?

stebs
10-14-2007, 10:50 PM
I said domination but I meant elite status. No competitive sports today has constant domination, that's not realistic, think san antonio spurs

Ok you are a Fed fan so you think Fed is untouchable much like a Sampras fan thought in 2002. That's some historical perspective .

Again you show a frightening lack of knowledge.

1 - NYC does not think Federer in untouchable, don't judge other people by your clownish antics.
2 - A Sampras fan would have had to be delusional to think sampras untouchable in 2002 considering he spent the whole year outside the top 10, didn't win a title until the USO and went into that tournament having failed to win 3 matches in a row for 9 tournaments.

scoobs
10-14-2007, 10:52 PM
Don't you just love new tennis fans who get all evangelical about the player who they got interested in the game from and then spend their time telling you how it is - even though you have a much better idea of that, as well as much more perspective?

World Beater
10-14-2007, 11:00 PM
2 - A Sampras fan would have had to be delusional to think sampras untouchable in 2002 considering he spent the whole year outside the top 10, didn't win a title until the USO and went into that tournament having failed to win 3 matches in a row for 9 tournaments.

well i think ezekiel meant that ppl thought nobody would dominate soon like sampras, then came federer - so ppl were wrong. So he thinks the same of djokovic and thinks he's the prophet to tell of his future dominance - some sort of trend i guess. Its almost like exekiel is doing some kind of technical analysis on the stock market but he forgets the most important part " past success is no indication of future success".

DrJules
10-14-2007, 11:06 PM
Hmmm, since I am called I beg to differ, Nole is much better than Federer at the same age . Nole is not yet in his prime, maybe a year or two away but given his rapid improvement and maturation I see him being an upgrade on Federer in terms of overall strokes and athleticism. I am biased but when making predictions I try to be realistic since I'd rather be right . It takes a hater of STD proportions to believe he will not achieve anything big or challenge Federer and Nadal.

Here is a challenge to make a prediction:

How many grand slams will Djokovic win;
How many master series; and
How many weeks at number 1

In 10 years time we can see how accurate you were.

DrJules
10-14-2007, 11:07 PM
Hmmm, since I am called I beg to differ, Nole is much better than Federer at the same age . Nole is not yet in his prime, maybe a year or two away but given his rapid improvement and maturation I see him being an upgrade on Federer in terms of overall strokes and athleticism. I am biased but when making predictions I try to be realistic since I'd rather be right . It takes a hater of STD proportions to believe he will not achieve anything big or challenge Federer and Nadal.

Here is a challenge ezekiel to make a prediction:

How many grand slams will Djokovic win;
How many master series; and
How many weeks at number 1

In 10 years time we can see how accurate you were.

sawan66278
10-15-2007, 12:06 AM
Snowwy...I was being sarcastic about the Jordan/Telfair comment...This is simply the logic displayed by Darth Cheater fans...and Serbian fans who probably never watched tennis before the "emergence" of their nation as a "tennis power":rolleyes:

Hmmm, since I am called I beg to differ, Nole is much better than Federer at the same age . Nole is not yet in his prime, maybe a year or two away but given his rapid improvement and maturation I see him being an upgrade on Federer in terms of overall strokes and athleticism.

When comments like these are made, you wonder how in the world one can be taken serious about anything. If a person with such an opinion argued that World War II occurred or Australia actually exists, I would have my doubts.

BalkanBoy
10-15-2007, 12:28 AM
Snowwy...I was being sarcastic about the Jordan/Telfair comment...This is simply the logic displayed by Darth Cheater fans...and Serbian fans who probably never watched tennis before the "emergence" of their nation as a "tennis power":rolleyes:



When comments like these are made, you wonder how in the world one can be taken serious about anything. If a person with such an opinion argued that World War II occurred or Australia actually exists, I would have my doubts.

You are so arogant it's impossible to discribe. You think you know everything right about life and tennis? Did you ever heard of Monica Seles and who she is? Go read about her and come back to tell me Serbs didn't watch tennis. You're so ignorant.

Peoples
10-15-2007, 12:49 AM
You are so arogant it's impossible to discribe. You think you know everything right about life and tennis? Did you ever heard of Monica Seles and who she is? Go read about her and come back to tell me Serbs didn't watch tennis. You're so ignorant.
You go back to reading your tennis books about the fat biatch as it seems all that matters to you.

BalkanBoy
10-15-2007, 01:11 AM
You go back to reading your tennis books about the fat biatch as it seems all that matters to you.

Yeah the "fat bitch" as you call her won 9 Grand Slams and was born in Novi Sad, Serbia

She could certainly win alot more but a bastard from the crowd changed everything.

I like to share what I'm reading with "peoples" :p so here it goes

Quote:

Seles was the top women's player heading into 1993, having won the French Open three consecutive years, and the US Open and Australian Open both in consecutive years. In January 1993, Seles defeated Graf in the final of the Australian Open, which was her third win in six Grand Slam matches with Graf

However, everything changed following an incident that shocked the tennis world on April 30, 1993. During a quarterfinal match with Magdalena Maleeva in Hamburg in which Seles was leading 6-4, 4-3, a 38-year-old deranged fan of Graf, Günter Parche, ran from the middle of the crowd to the edge of the court during a break between games and plunged a boning knife between Seles' shoulder blades. She let out a piercing scream and was quickly rushed to a hospital. Her physical injuries took a few weeks to heal, but the psychological scars from this incident apparently left a much deeper impression on Seles. She did not return to competitive tennis for over two years.

So your "bitch" gave alot to this sport as many here like and was close to give her life.

sawan66278
10-15-2007, 01:13 AM
Did you ever heard of Monica Seles and who she is? Go read about her and come back to tell me Serbs didn't watch tennis. You're so ignorant.

My friend, you clearly show the error of your thinking: the WTA tour is NOT tennis. But then again, Darth Cheater fits right in with all the drama queens and stark examples of gamesmanship/poor sportsmanship there.

Andi-M
10-15-2007, 01:13 AM
Djokovic will beat Federer in Madrid or Paris just to pansy out in the Australian Open.

He is not man enough to win grand slams.

He is 0 for 1 in slam finals if/when he's 0 for 3 in slam finals then maybe you will be right, but u cant judge him on one performance.

Believe me Nole will defeat Fed in at least one slam final in 2008.

GlennMirnyi
10-15-2007, 01:17 AM
My friend, you clearly show the error of your thinking: the WTA tour is NOT tennis. But then again, Darth Cheater fits right in with all the drama queens and stark examples of gamesmanship/poor sportsmanship there.

Good post. It never gets old making people remember this.

BalkanBoy
10-15-2007, 01:20 AM
My friend, you clearly show the error of your thinking: the WTA tour is NOT tennis. But then again, Darth Cheater fits right in with all the drama queens and stark examples of gamesmanship/poor sportsmanship there.

Okay but what is tennis then? Star Wars? as you seem to associate everything with it. :nerner:

Marek.
10-15-2007, 01:31 AM
I was rooting for Wawrinka, Johansson and Mathieu to win today.:o

Gustavkrklec
10-15-2007, 02:24 AM
I am glad that Djoko win , especially beacouse of Jerks at forum such as that Macedonian idiot rules.

Marek.
10-15-2007, 02:32 AM
Here is a challenge ezekiel to make a prediction:

How many grand slams will Djokovic win;
How many master series; and
How many weeks at number 1

In 10 years time we can see how accurate you were.

I'll give it a shot and we'll see how far off I am from ezekiel:

-20-30 Grand slams
-25-35 Master Series
-350-400 weeks at number one

and that's being conservative considering ezekiel thinks Djokovic will dominate for a decade straight.

ezekiel
10-15-2007, 02:50 AM
Again you show a frightening lack of knowledge.

1 - NYC does not think Federer in untouchable, don't judge other people by your clownish antics.
2 - A Sampras fan would have had to be delusional to think sampras untouchable in 2002 considering he spent the whole year outside the top 10, didn't win a title until the USO and went into that tournament having failed to win 3 matches in a row for 9 tournaments.

in your rush to be a smart ass you completelly misinterpreted what I said. I meant that no one thought that there was anyone close to Sampras career wise in 2002

NYC repeateadly says that Nole won't be and can't be near Federer like a prophet and yet I wonder who might be on his level anytime in the future then ?

ezekiel
10-15-2007, 03:10 AM
Here is a challenge to make a prediction:

How many grand slams will Djokovic win;
How many master series; and
How many weeks at number 1

In 10 years time we can see how accurate you were.


I usually do only yearly predictions based on the trends so I said Nole will get #1 next year around RG/Wimbledon but it's gonna be tight overall. I expect him to takever completelly in 2 years and depending on Nadal or someone new coming in . Under this prediction , the years of Federer winning 3 slams are over.

GlennMirnyi
10-15-2007, 03:12 AM
I usually do only yearly predictions based on the trends so I said Nole will get #1 next year around RG/Wimbledon but it's gonna be tight overall. I expect him to takever completelly in 2 years and depending on Nadal or someone new coming in . Under this prediction , the years of Federer winning 3 slams are over.

:haha: :haha: :haha:

No salvation for this one anymore.

Merton
10-15-2007, 05:35 AM
I usually do only yearly predictions based on the trends so I said Nole will get #1 next year around RG/Wimbledon but it's gonna be tight overall. I expect him to takever completelly in 2 years and depending on Nadal or someone new coming in . Under this prediction , the years of Federer winning 3 slams are over.

Lets try to look at the trend of Nole's evolution, it is reasonable to look at the ATP points that Nole had at this time back in 2005 and 2006:

Oct. 17, 2005: 467
Oct. 16, 2006: 1360
Oct. 15, 2007: 4370

Nole roughly tripled his points for each of the past two years. Therefore, maintaining the same trend, will get him to 13110 points. I think it is reasonable to be conservative, assuming that he cannot keep improving at the same pace, so my final prediction based on the trend is 11000 points at this time next year.

To get an idea about the magnitude of this number of ATP points, Roger at the end of last year had 8370 points. Winning The Grand Slam, all 9 masters tournaments and the TMC would give 9250 points. Adding Dubai, Barcelona and 3 optionals worth 250 points each gets us 1350 additional points from optionals, so we get 10600 points. Obviously, Nole will also win the Olympics.

This is trend prediction pushed to its logical implication.

stebs
10-15-2007, 08:27 AM
Lets try to look at the trend of Nole's evolution, it is reasonable to look at the ATP points that Nole had at this time back in 2005 and 2006:

Oct. 17, 2005: 467
Oct. 16, 2006: 1360
Oct. 15, 2007: 4370

Nole roughly tripled his points for each of the past two years. Therefore, maintaining the same trend, will get him to 13110 points. I think it is reasonable to be conservative, assuming that he cannot keep improving at the same pace, so my final prediction based on the trend is 11000 points at this time next year.

To get an idea about the magnitude of this number of ATP points, Roger at the end of last year had 8370 points. Winning The Grand Slam, all 9 masters tournaments and the TMC would give 9250 points. Adding Dubai, Barcelona and 3 optionals worth 250 points each gets us 1350 additional points from optionals, so we get 10600 points. Obviously, Nole will also win the Olympics.

This is trend prediction pushed to its logical implication.

:worship:

:lol:

MaryX
10-15-2007, 08:43 AM
You are so arogant it's impossible to discribe. You think you know everything right about life and tennis? Did you ever heard of Monica Seles and who she is? Go read about her and come back to tell me Serbs didn't watch tennis. You're so ignorant.

My friend, you clearly show the error of your thinking: the WTA tour is NOT tennis. But then again, Darth Cheater fits right in with all the drama queens and stark examples of gamesmanship/poor sportsmanship there.

It's pointless not to be sarcastic, when it's obvious that Serbs are just bad and don't know anything about tennis...But, I'll try...

Partly to blame for general opinion that Serbs have never watched tennis before is Novak himself.He was to little to remember the popularity of Monica Seles, Boba Zivojinovic and Goran Ivanisevic, so he repeats himself all the time with that "small tennis tradition". But those players were loved and watched here.

And don't tell me that WTA is not tennis-what Monica played back then was tennis and it was brilliant, but I presume you were Novak's age at that time, so how could you know?

dj_mercury
10-15-2007, 08:44 AM
The "Swiss who loses" is a well deserved nickname...
He has probably achieved much more than you will do in your entire life. Your posts in this thread are pathetic considering that you live in Switzerland.

MaryX
10-15-2007, 08:49 AM
Lets try to look at the trend of Nole's evolution, it is reasonable to look at the ATP points that Nole had at this time back in 2005 and 2006:

Oct. 17, 2005: 467
Oct. 16, 2006: 1360
Oct. 15, 2007: 4370

Nole roughly tripled his points for each of the past two years. Therefore, maintaining the same trend, will get him to 13110 points. I think it is reasonable to be conservative, assuming that he cannot keep improving at the same pace, so my final prediction based on the trend is 11000 points at this time next year.

To get an idea about the magnitude of this number of ATP points, Roger at the end of last year had 8370 points. Winning The Grand Slam, all 9 masters tournaments and the TMC would give 9250 points. Adding Dubai, Barcelona and 3 optionals worth 250 points each gets us 1350 additional points from optionals, so we get 10600 points. Obviously, Nole will also win the Olympics.

This is trend prediction pushed to its logical implication.

:worship:

:lol:

Yes, this was very successful irony :yeah:.

LeChuck
10-15-2007, 09:34 AM
Well done to Nole, and also to Stan the man for a great run this week.

musefanatic
10-15-2007, 09:58 AM
Well done Nole, great stuff, great win and awesome last set :)

bokehlicious
10-15-2007, 10:27 AM
He has probably achieved much more than you will do in your entire life. Your posts in this thread are pathetic considering that you live in Switzerland.

:wavey: because Stan is Swiss I am supposed to lick his arsehole ? :confused: I am not a "nationalistard", I saw the match and he was pathetic. Period.

Il Primo Uomo
10-15-2007, 10:38 AM
Well done Nole!:yeah: I still didn't figure out what's so special in his game. Oh well, ATP tour mysteries...

Wow, Wawa looks fat and dirrrrty, let alone the fact he can't play to save his life.

n.sad
10-15-2007, 10:53 AM
novak does everything very good or good, and he doesn't have huge weapon. well done novak :)

dj_mercury
10-15-2007, 10:57 AM
:wavey: because Stan is Swiss I am supposed to lick his arsehole ? :confused: I am not a "nationalistard", I saw the match and he was pathetic. Period.
Maybe just start to be just a little bit objective woouldn't be such a bad start, if this is what you call a pathetic performance I don't know how many matches you watch every year that doesn't involve Federer. He played a pretty good first set, had he converted that break point at 5-4 he could have taken the set to the tie break. Then he let himself down, but you have to give credits to Djokovic that played really good in the second set.

Apemant
10-15-2007, 12:34 PM
novak does everything very good or good, and he doesn't have huge weapon. well done novak :)

Exactly, Nole is one hell of a player, no doubt about that; but really, you are obviously a newbie. Watch ezekiel quote your post now, twist it around, and make a Hercule Poirot's conclusion that you aren't actually a fan of Nole - perhaps you aren't even a Serb for that matter - since you dare say Novak has 'no huge weapon'. :devil:

ezekiel
10-15-2007, 12:45 PM
Exactly, Nole is one hell of a player, no doubt about that; but really, you are obviously a newbie. Watch ezekiel quote your post now, twist it around, and make a Hercule Poirot's conclusion that you aren't actually a fan of Nole - perhaps you aren't even a Serb for that matter - since you dare say Novak has 'no huge weapon'. :devil:


he/she is just a newbie or even someone with a double account but you've been around and make this assertion to point out how right you are. You are just a rival fan who is a bit jealous of his game and success so you want to downplay it without a shred of evidence. We have all been there, don't worry, we just learn our mistakes and don't repeat them

HarryMan
10-15-2007, 12:46 PM
Well done Nole!:yeah: I still didn't figure out what's so special in his game. Oh well, ATP tour mysteries...

Wow, Wawa looks fat and dirrrrty, let alone the fact he can't play to save his life.

His serve and his backhand are his true strong areas in his developing game.

What stands out in his game at the moment is that he has no specific weak area that the opponents could target like many others have,which plays to his advantage against most of these players and gets him more wins irrespective of whether he plays well or not.

ezekiel
10-15-2007, 01:15 PM
It's pointless not to be sarcastic, when it's obvious that Serbs are just bad and don't know anything about tennis...But, I'll try...

Partly to blame for general opinion that Serbs have never watched tennis before is Novak himself.He was to little to remember the popularity of Monica Seles, Boba Zivojinovic and Goran Ivanisevic, so he repeats himself all the time with that "small tennis tradition". But those players were loved and watched here.

And don't tell me that WTA is not tennis-what Monica played back then was tennis and it was brilliant, but I presume you were Novak's age at that time, so how could you know?


excuse me but I have no idea what are you trying to say here?

RagingLamb
10-15-2007, 01:23 PM
well done Novak :yeah:

Apemant
10-15-2007, 01:26 PM
he/she is just a newbie or even someone with a double account but you've been around and make this assertion to point out how right you are. You are just a rival fan who is a bit jealous of his game and success so you want to downplay it without a shred of evidence (1). We have all been there, don't worry, we just learn our mistakes and don't repeat them(2)


(1) YOU of all people, talk about having no evidence? You have absolutely no evidence, for example, for this very claim. I dare you to quote any of my posts where it it evident that I'm 'jealous' of Novak. Just 1 post. There isn't any, as all my comments on Nole were quite positive. So where do you get your delusions, if not right out of your a$$?

(2) Yes, smart people do tend to learn from their mistakes, but alas, you aren't one of them, as you repeat your mistakes over and over. Plenty of intelligent people have told you that your claims and accussations are paranoid and border with insanity, and yet you keep reiterating them. At this point I've actually given up hope that you can actually be reasoned with. So, please, pay no attention to this message, it's intended for other people, not you.


BTW, if you indeed work in security, I guess this is a prime-time example of a professional deformation. :rolleyes:

MaryX
10-15-2007, 02:06 PM
excuse me but I have no idea what are you trying to say here?

No problem, that was reply to Sawan's opinion that Serbs don't know anything about tennis, or what ever.

So, I am trying to say: Serbians watched tennis before Djokovic (but he is absolutely our best player ever).We watched Monica, Zivojinovic and Ivanisevic (while he played for Yugoslav DC and some of us after that, too).Novak is young, so he often repeats that we have "small tennis tradition", but the truth is- we had very solid DC team, one solid player (Zivojinovic) and two very good girls (Monica and Jelena Dokic)-it's not a big deal, but it was ok for a small communist country .So, some of us are not ignorant as Sawan wants to think.

More clear?:confused:

ezekiel
10-15-2007, 02:30 PM
(1) YOU of all people, talk about having no evidence? You have absolutely no evidence, for example, for this very claim. I dare you to quote any of my posts where it it evident that I'm 'jealous' of Novak. Just 1 post. There isn't any, as all my comments on Nole were quite positive. So where do you get your delusions, if not right out of your a$$?

(2) Yes, smart people do tend to learn from their mistakes, but alas, you aren't one of them, as you repeat your mistakes over and over. Plenty of intelligent people have told you that your claims and accussations are paranoid and border with insanity, and yet you keep reiterating them. At this point I've actually given up hope that you can actually be reasoned with. So, please, pay no attention to this message, it's intended for other people, not you.


BTW, if you indeed work in security, I guess this is a prime-time example of a professional deformation. :rolleyes:

Sorry but nowhere in this rant is there anything amounting to a coherent argument. Callimg me names is just proof that I got to you and you want to lash out

I said you are a rival fan but claim to be neutral , is that true or not?
You say constantly he has no weapons, true or not ?
You constantly downplay him without a shred of an argument ?
Why do you care about him at all ?


And yes I work security and it has thought me how to deal with people and to get them talking . I have nothing against legitimate criticism and fair play in fact I encourage it but when we have people with suspect background and loyalties making exagerrated and biased assertions over and over again you bet I will be there to challenge it because it annoys me a lot and I think it gets you off . This is what STD and you do , take one line, rinse it and repeat it ad nauseum. Any subsequent "compliment" seems insincere, backhanded and self serving . I'd respect you more if you stick with your own players. One tip if you are ever in court, don't ever call security or police people any names and never assume you can fool any of them because their main goal is to get you talking and contradictiong yourself so they will play dumb in order to get you talking

And the thing about these insults , you picked that up from STD , wonder how you two get along ?

ezekiel
10-15-2007, 02:31 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

No salvation for this one anymore.

Still think Nole is the next Davydenko :hatoff: :haha: :spit:

Apemant
10-15-2007, 03:12 PM
Sorry but nowhere in this rant is there anything amounting to a coherent argument. Callimg me names is just proof that I got to you and you want to lash out

You know, if I happened to stumble upon a moron who would claim that 2 and 2 equals 5, I'd be just as riled up. Stupidity coupled with stubbornness pisses me off big time, I guess it's my character flaw.


I said you are a rival fan but claim to be neutral , is that true or not?

False.
I am a fan of many people; some I like more, some I like less. Nole is certainly inside my personal top ten, for example. Of course, if he happens to play against someone who is higher on my list, naturally I will root for the other guy. But that doesn't make me 'a rival fan'. Don't project your own narrowness of the mind, on me.


You say constantly he has no weapons, true or not ?

False.
I have never said he had no weapons (you are free to try to find a post of mine which show otherwise. That'd be 'evidence' if you could actually find it). On the contrary, I have frequently stated that he has many weapons, because he performs most shots extremely well (with the possible exception of volleys, but he seems to be improving there, too).

What I did say is that he had no trademark weapon of his own, i.e. some shot he does so well that it clearly overshadows the same shot of anyone else on the tour. Don't blame me for you own inability to see the clear difference between that, and the claim 'he has no weapons' which you so desperately want to attach to me. No thanks.


You constantly downplay him without a shred of an argument ?

Never did that.
But of course, you CAN interpret my words the way you see fit; I can't possibly be responsible for that. I say that I'm not downplaying him, and that's the end of the story for me. You can insist as much as you want, you just make your case obvious to any neutral poster, with that unbelieveable stubbornness of yours on this matter.


Why do you care about him at all ?

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Why do I care about him? For the same reason as you, quite obviously: because he's a great tennis player and I happen to enjoy good tennis? OMG what a tool you are... are you related to Nole in some way to be so unbelievably possessive of his success? Or is this that stupid nationalism thing? LOL


And yes I work security and it has thought me how to deal with people and to get them talking . I have nothing against legitimate criticism and fair play in fact I encourage it but when we have people with

Your case would actually have some credibility if I was the ONLY guy you managed to rile up with your unearthly paranoia. But seeing as you are gradually becoming a MTF legend when it comes to this, I'd better rethink my own posting strategy if I were you.

Come now, it can't be that hard. Just think: what IF you're actually wrong? That idea ever crossed your mind? :lol:


This is what STD and you do , take one line, rinse it and repeat it ad nauseum. Any subsequent "compliment" seems insincere, backhanded and self serving .

Only me and STD? Funny, I thought the list was far more comprehensive. :devil:


I'd respect you more if you stick with your own players.

Here you go again. For heaven's sake, unless you are actually related to Nole, would you please stop acting as if you own him?? Jeeezus Christ, you really are unique. He is every bit mine as he is yours - about 0%, that is. We just enjoy watching him, that's all. Neither of us shares a penny of his earnings or a shred of his fame.


One tip if you are ever in court, don't ever call security or police people any names and never assume you can fool any of them because their main goal is to get you talking and contradictiong yourself so they will play dumb in order to get you talking

LOL. Play dumb, eh? Get me talking? Well, you sure did get me talking. Your methods of making people 'talking' can be compared to middle-age inquisition. They'd torture people until they 'confess' and then they would claim they 'have a confession'. Some confession :rolleyes: . And something similar happens here. If you keep producing one paranoid and meaningless sentence after another, if you keep twisting my words and falsely interpret them, then yes, eventually you'll get me pissed off and I will turn into something I'm usually not. Do you see me call other people names? In fact, I did it before, in case of sondraj, who was a fake account devised to piss people off. Be proud to fall into the same category as that, mr. security guy.


And the thing about these insults , you picked that up from STD , wonder how you two get along ?

I know absolutely nothing about STD. But I'm sure you have irrefutable proof that we are in fact brothers. :rolleyes:

Lee
10-15-2007, 03:22 PM
I know absolutely nothing about STD. But I'm sure you have irrefutable proof that we are in fact brothers. :rolleyes:

I have irrefutable proof that you are not brothers because Novak Djokovic forum moderator is not a "he". ;)

to be more precise, it's "Tennis Serbia" forum.

ezekiel
10-15-2007, 10:35 PM
You know, if I happened to stumble upon a moron who would claim that 2 and 2 equals 5, I'd be just as riled up. Stupidity coupled with stubbornness pisses me off big time, I guess it's my character flaw.

Well thank you for answering again


False.
I am a fan of many people; some I like more, some I like less. Nole is certainly inside my personal top ten, for example. Of course, if he happens to play against someone who is higher on my list, naturally I will root for the other guy. But that doesn't make me 'a rival fan'. Don't project your own narrowness of the mind, on me.

I know you are fan of Murray and Ljubicic , you say you are a fan of Nole among others but I don't see it really , no offense. By fan I mean showing loyalty, having their best interest in mind. I have passing interest in many players like Nadal, Gonzalez, Baghs and others and I like watching them and talking about them but that's it.


False.
I have never said he had no weapons (you are free to try to find a post of mine which show otherwise. That'd be 'evidence' if you could actually find it). On the contrary, I have frequently stated that he has many weapons, because he performs most shots extremely well (with the possible exception of volleys, but he seems to be improving there, too).

What I did say is that he had no trademark weapon of his own, i.e. some shot he does so well that it clearly overshadows the same shot of anyone else on the tour. Don't blame me for you own inability to see the clear difference between that, and the claim 'he has no weapons' which you so desperately want to attach to me. No thanks.


Ironic coming from a Ljubicic and Murray fan who really have a non descript passive game . Maybe you have it mixed up or I have you mixed up ?
I mean Nole's inside out forehand and 2 handed backhand is arguably the best on tour
As for the difference between "no weapons" and "no trademark weapons" , well if there is a difference it's minute and indicates mediocrity either way and not a tennis prodigy




Never did that.
But of course, you CAN interpret my words the way you see fit; I can't possibly be responsible for that. I say that I'm not downplaying him, and that's the end of the story for me. You can insist as much as you want, you just make your case obvious to any neutral poster, with that unbelieveable stubbornness of yours on this matter.


The question is when did you become his fan ?




:haha: :haha: :haha:

Why do I care about him? For the same reason as you, quite obviously: because he's a great tennis player and I happen to enjoy good tennis? OMG what a tool you are... are you related to Nole in some way to be so unbelievably possessive of his success? Or is this that stupid nationalism thing? LOL


Well we have certain people like STD who even admit they don't care about his tennis success at all and they claim to be his fans so don't laugh at me . There is no doubt you have interest in him and I am talking to you not because I am possessive but because of your prior statements .



Your case would actually have some credibility if I was the ONLY guy you managed to rile up with your unearthly paranoia. But seeing as you are gradually becoming a MTF legend when it comes to this, I'd better rethink my own posting strategy if I were you.

Come now, it can't be that hard. Just think: what IF you're actually wrong? That idea ever crossed your mind? :lol:


I may be wrong since I am human off course but please show me . I can say you are way, way off when you say he has no "trademark" weapons. As for "paranoia" , call it what you want I've been burned for trusting too much around here so I am not making that mistake again, better safe than sorry.


Only me and STD? Funny, I thought the list was far more comprehensive. :devil:


I wouldn't put you anywhere near STD on my "list" but if you want it's just you two.


Here you go again. For heaven's sake, unless you are actually related to Nole, would you please stop acting as if you own him?? Jeeezus Christ, you really are unique. He is every bit mine as he is yours - about 0%, that is. We just enjoy watching him, that's all. Neither of us shares a penny of his earnings or a shred of his fame.


I don't own him of course but I have loyalty and respect for him something you and some others lack who claim to be his "fan" . Somehow you claim to be his "fan" but I don't see it , maybe you should try harder. Not just in good times but at times like when he was caled "a joke" " a lightweight" and worse on international tv and many more instances. Note that having passing interest and saying yourself a fan doesn't give anyone instant credibility to talk about someone as if they know it all.




LOL. Play dumb, eh? Get me talking? Well, you sure did get me talking. Your methods of making people 'talking' can be compared to middle-age inquisition. They'd torture people until they 'confess' and then they would claim they 'have a confession'. Some confession :rolleyes: . And something similar happens here. If you keep producing one paranoid and meaningless sentence after another, if you keep twisting my words and falsely interpret them, then yes, eventually you'll get me pissed off and I will turn into something I'm usually not. Do you see me call other people names? In fact, I did it before, in case of sondraj, who was a fake account devised to piss people off. Be proud to fall into the same category as that, mr. security guy.



I don't understand your hostility really unless there is more to it , we talked 3 or 4 times . I don't know who you are or where you come from and if you are really a fan of Nole you won't have problems with me or even if you are a rival fan or even a hater like GlennMirnyi as long as we are clear .

But when I hear contradictory statements and when I sense that someone has some type of an agenda I need to know more . You shouldn't be angry about it, It's nothing against you but I don't want to read or deal with people with an agenda that is against my thinking here. Let's say I learned my lesson from STD whom I took for granted at first and then started to read crap that made me sick and it went downhill from there.

Black Adam
10-15-2007, 10:39 PM
He has probably achieved much more than you will do in your entire life. Your posts in this thread are pathetic considering that you live in Switzerland.
:worship: Well said, even though I think that Wawrinka deserved in every bit that bagel. Because he sucks cock.

Baghdatis72
10-15-2007, 10:41 PM
Great win by Nole :yeah:

Onto the title now :D

BalkanBoy
10-15-2007, 11:00 PM
Sawan627 , I'm still waiting your answer... Please explain me how WTA is not tennis and Monica Seles's 9 GS doesn't matter and more curiosly that Serbs didn't follow tennis when they had Stars in the game for years? When you don't know what you're talking about please don't post because what you say matter less and less. So I hope the force will be with you now and the goooood one, the Nole's one :D

Farenhajt
10-16-2007, 05:58 AM
Sawan627 , I'm still waiting your answer... Please explain me how WTA is not tennis and Monica Seles's 9 GS doesn't matter and more curiosly that Serbs didn't follow tennis when they had Stars in the game for years? When you don't know what you're talking about please don't post because what you say matter less and less. So I hope the force will be with you now and the goooood one, the Nole's one :D

BalkanBoy, a friendly advice - just let the moron go. Neither of us here is in a position to prove anything to him, since how anyone could reason to a psychiatric case? I expect you really have more important things to do and to write about than to pay any attention to sawan.

Moreover, one thing is certain: whatever any of us writes here, that won't piss him off as deeply as Nole demolishing one opponent after the other on court and taking ever greater titles. Just let Nole destroy his nerves, he's suited to the task much better than we are :)

rexman
10-16-2007, 06:14 AM
It's pointless not to be sarcastic, when it's obvious that Serbs are just bad and don't know anything about tennis...But, I'll try...

Partly to blame for general opinion that Serbs have never watched tennis before is Novak himself.He was to little to remember the popularity of Monica Seles, Boba Zivojinovic and Goran Ivanisevic, so he repeats himself all the time with that "small tennis tradition". But those players were loved and watched here.

And don't tell me that WTA is not tennis-what Monica played back then was tennis and it was brilliant, but I presume you were Novak's age at that time, so how could you know?

To be fair, Novak has always listed Monica as an idol of his growing up. It's not right to say he doesn't mention them.

sawan66278
10-16-2007, 06:35 AM
BalkanBoy, a friendly advice - just let the moron go. Neither of us here is in a position to prove anything to him, since how anyone could reason to a psychiatric case? I expect you really have more important things to do and to write about than to pay any attention to sawan.

Typical, nonsensical response from the drones who follow Darth Cheater...and justify his "by any means necessary" approach to winning matches.

Sad, simple fact: the man is a diva on the court (with his showing JUST HOW HARD HE IS FIGHTING...TAXING HIS BODY TO THE LIMITS:rolleyes: :rolleyes: ) and he will manipulate the rules to create an unfair advantage. Like almost any card carrying member of the WTA tour.

Please...if you want to spew your nonsense about WTA tour play being legit...your credibility is completely shot. I would submit that if you claim to be a fan of that sad excuse for a "tennis tour", you have NO right to comment on men's matches at all. And that would even include any commentary on college or junior tennis!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, the very idea that you and your fellow Serbian fans argue that being a Monica Seles fan makes you a true fan of the game of tennis is borderline laughable. What is played on the WTA tour is, simply, a joke. A fashion show parading as a sporting event.

My recommendation to you: go find the Dancing with the Stars message board at ABC.com and "illuminate" the masses there.

Action Jackson
10-16-2007, 06:42 AM
What is played on the WTA tour is, simply, a joke. A fashion show parading as a sporting event.

My recommendation to you: go find the Dancing with the Stars message board at ABC.com and "illuminate" the masses there.

100 percent accurate about the WTA.

BalkanBoy
10-16-2007, 07:07 AM
Typical, nonsensical response from the drones who follow Darth Cheater...and justify his "by any means necessary" approach to winning matches.

Sad, simple fact: the man is a diva on the court (with his showing JUST HOW HARD HE IS FIGHTING...TAXING HIS BODY TO THE LIMITS:rolleyes: :rolleyes: ) and he will manipulate the rules to create an unfair advantage. Like almost any card carrying member of the WTA tour.

Please...if you want to spew your nonsense about WTA tour play being legit...your credibility is completely shot. I would submit that if you claim to be a fan of that sad excuse for a "tennis tour", you have NO right to comment on men's matches at all. And that would even include any commentary on college or junior tennis!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, the very idea that you and your fellow Serbian fans argue that being a Monica Seles fan makes you a true fan of the game of tennis is borderline laughable. What is played on the WTA tour is, simply, a joke. A fashion show parading as a sporting event.

My recommendation to you: go find the Dancing with the Stars message board at ABC.com and "illuminate" the masses there.

You need help. :cuckoo:

MaryX
10-16-2007, 08:23 AM
Moreover, one thing is certain: whatever any of us writes here, that won't piss him off as deeply as Nole demolishing one opponent after the other on court and taking ever greater titles. Just let Nole destroy his nerves, he's suited to the task much better than we are :)

True, arguing and explaining can't be of any help, but some good sarcasam or at least irony keeps us sane ;) .

To be fair, Novak has always listed Monica as an idol of his growing up. It's not right to say he doesn't mention them.

I am just saying that there is no chance he could know what was happening back then.Our DC team was quite popular and played QF four times and SF three times (the last SF was 1991. and he was just 4 years old), and Monica was at her best in 1991. and 1992.So, when Novak talks about "no tennis tradition" he talks about that (unfortunate) 15 years gap, the general vacuum period in Serbia.

You need help. :cuckoo:

No, he doesn't, he uses some kind of selftreatment on MTF.

Apemant
10-16-2007, 09:29 AM
Well thank you for answering again

You are welcome. :devil:


I know you are fan of Murray and Ljubicic , you say you are a fan of Nole among others but I don't see it really , no offense. By fan I mean showing loyalty, having their best interest in mind. I have passing interest in many players like Nadal, Gonzalez, Baghs and others and I like watching them and talking about them but that's it.

Yes, I'm a fan of Murray and Ljubo, and and whole lot of other people, including Nole. Everyone for different reasons. I guess my definition of 'being a fan' somewhat differs from yours, but not just yours. You can freely assume I'm a 'fan' of noone, if having their best interest is the absolute prerequisite. Because, in that case it's virtually impossible to be a fan of two people, since they might play each other and you can't have 'best interest' of both in mind.


Ironic coming from a Ljubicic and Murray fan who really have a non descript passive game . Maybe you have it mixed up or I have you mixed up ?

You, of course. I have stated numerous times that I'm fully aware of many of Ljubo's weaker sides and shortcomings. I'm not a blind fan of anyone. Recognizing someone's weaknesses doesn't make me a hater. So just because I admit that Ljubo's FH is weak and unreliable, that his movement is suspect and that his reflexes are really bad, it doesn't mean I can't still be a fan of his. The same holds true for Nole. I don't have to think he is the best at everything he does, in order to 'qualify' for being a fan of his.


I mean Nole's inside out forehand and 2 handed backhand is arguably the best on tour

Disagree. Nole is young and full of confidence, plays freely and comfortably. But I didn't start watching tennis a year ago like you did. Federer can hit that inside-out forehand better than Nole. Nalbandian's two-handed backhand also looked quite awesome when he was fit and in-form. Those are just two examples for you, there are many others but you should at least recognize those two.

Of course, it doesn't mean that those shots aren't Nole's weapons. They are. He can hit with great pace off both wings, which was crystal clear in his match vs. Ferrer. The same Ferrer who just overpowered Nadal and Chela, and yet was obviously unable to cope with Nole's pace.


As for the difference between "no weapons" and "no trademark weapons" , well if there is a difference it's minute and indicates mediocrity either way and not a tennis prodigy

No, it doesn't. Mediocrity is the middle of Gauss curve. Being #2 is not being 'mediocre', except for people who watch too many movies involving various heroes.

You, for example (or me, for that matter), aren't #1, #2 or even #50 in anything, not even batting your eyelashes. So how does it feel being truly mediocre, if you consider my opinion on Nole to be of that kind?


The question is when did you become his fan ?

Zagreb 2006, when he took a set from Ljubo (then #4 or so) there. He looked extremely confident for a youngster, and freely admitted he's not interested in anything other than being #1 eventually. Who openly sets his objectives that high, usually does everything in his power to achieve it. And his game was promising and looked adaptable to any surface. Maybe not flashy all the time, but super-solid, as in, having no holes for others to exploit effectively. It deeply saddens me :devil: that you see these words as 'downplaying', but I'm not retracting them anyway. After all, he's still improving.


There is no doubt you have interest in him and I am talking to you not because I am possessive but because of your prior statements .

Prior statements which you have misinterpreted even though I explained them in detail several times. But I don't mind repeating them ten times. I'm talkative and I enjoy babbling this much about stuff.


I may be wrong since I am human off course but please show me . I can say you are way, way off when you say he has no "trademark" weapons.

Ok, you consider his inside-out FH and 2H BH down the line to be his trademarks? Those are his best shots indeed but he's still 20 yr old and it's way too early to call those shots his own trademark.


I don't own him of course but I have loyalty and respect for him something you and some others lack who claim to be his "fan" .

I have explained this. I enjoy tennis, but I'm not that much into loyalty to any single player. In fact it's more complicated than that, but it's kinda personal and it doesn't concern anyone. Suffice it to say that to me being a 'fan' of someone just means I generally root for them or that I'm generally interested in their progression or their game. No diehard 'loyalty' from my side here, to noone.


Somehow you claim to be his "fan" but I don't see it , maybe you should try harder. Not just in good times but at times like when he was caled "a joke" " a lightweight" and worse on international tv and many more instances. Note that having passing interest and saying yourself a fan doesn't give anyone instant credibility to talk about someone as if they know it all.

Why should I try harder? It's not my mission to convince you that I'm actually rooting for Nole much more often than not.

Besides, I'm generally not that interested in those players' personal lives (only just). I believe I have quite a comprehensive knowledge about many players' strenghts, weaknesses and playing styles. So why would I need a permission to talk about some guy, just because of his overprotective fans who follow each of his steps?


I don't understand your hostility really unless there is more to it , we talked 3 or 4 times . I don't know who you are or where you come from and if you are really a fan of Nole you won't have problems with me or even if you are a rival fan or even a hater like GlennMirnyi as long as we are clear .

I told you. We talked several times, and in each of those instances you kept misiterpreting my words almost as if you do it intentionally. GM is obviously into some old fashioned trolling, I don't have a problem with that (just like mediter, for example) - I don't take all of it dead-serious. But you sounded sort of seriously malicious at times, not just to me but to other posters around. Some people gloat with style, but you sort of gloat with conviction. :devil:


It's nothing against you but I don't want to read or deal with people with an agenda that is against my thinking here. Let's say I learned my lesson from STD whom I took for granted at first and then started to read crap that made me sick and it went downhill from there.

You just said in your previous post that you guys in security business tend to play dumb and get people to talk. You do understand that it's a pretty bad thing to say in the open? How do you expect anyone to trust your sincerety when you yourself admit you often pretend for a purpose? You question my agenda, and yet admit to having an agenda yourself?

Anyway. There is no agenda from my side. I don't take this forum as anything important, I just consider it a way to break my boredom at work or to satisfy my need of arguing. But whatever we say here will have no effect on anything on the ATP tour. So why should I even bother having an 'agenda'? What purpose would it serve?

BalkanBoy
10-16-2007, 08:11 PM
I am just saying that there is no chance he could know what was happening back then.Our DC team was quite popular and played QF four times and SF three times (the last SF was 1991. and he was just 4 years old), and Monica was at her best in 1991. and 1992.So, when Novak talks about "no tennis tradition" he talks about that (unfortunate) 15 years gap, the general vacuum period in Serbia.



No, he doesn't, he uses some kind of selftreatment on MTF.[/QUOTE]

Since I'm the age of Nole I didn't know for the popularity of DC team either but I knew Monica Seles was very popular and Boba before her because everybody older remember them and people were really interested in tennis everytime, just not in the scale of basketball and football (soccer). But this doesn't exlude there wasn't some true fans as the psycho Stars Wars fan state