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Madrid Draw - Federer has Canas in the 3rd Round

victory1
10-14-2007, 11:39 AM
Well, Fed is going to probably get a chance to play Canas, since both have only 1 match to play before they meet, since both have Bye!

(1)FEDERER, Roger SUI vs BYE
MELZER, Jurgen AUT vs QUALIFIER
TURSUNOV, Dmitry RUS vs QUALIFIER
(13)CANAS, Guillermo ARG vs BYE

(12)LJUBICIC, Ivan CRO vs BYE
NIEMINEN, Jarkko FIN vs QUALIFIER
(WC)LOPEZ, Feliciano ESP vs VOLANDRI, Filippo ITA
(7)FERRER, David ESP vs BYE

(4)DAVYDENKO, Nikolay RUS vs BYE
KARLOVIC, Ivo CRO vs SAFIN, Marat RUS
KIEFER, Nicolas GER vs (SE)WAWRINKA, Stanislas SUI
(16)YOUZHNY, Mikhail RUS vs BYE

(11)HAAS, Tommy GER vs BYE
ANDREEV, Igor RUS vs MONACO, Juan ARG
ALMAGRO, Nicolas ESP vs SANTORO, Fabrice FRA
(5)GONZALEZ, Fernando CHI vs BYE

(6)BLAKE, James USA vs BYE
ANCIC, Mario CRO vs QUALIFIER
MATHIEU, Paul-Henri FRA vs FISH, Mardy USA
(10)GASQUET, Richard FRA vs BYE

(14)MOYA, Carlos ESP vs BYE
FERRERO, Juan Carlos ESP vs QUALIFIER
(WC)MONTANES, Albert ESP vs VERDASCO, Fernando ESP
(3)DJOKOVIC, Novak SRB vs BYE

(8)ROBREDO, Tommy ESP vs BYE
(WC)DEL POTRO, Juan Martin ARG vs STARACE, Potito ITA
CLEMENT, Arnaud FRA vs NALBANDIAN, David ARG
(9)BERDYCH, Tomas CZE vs BYE

(15)CHELA, Juan Ignacio ARG vs BYE
STEPANEK, Radek CZE vs MURRAY, Andy GBR
BAGHDATIS, Marcos CYP vs QUALIFIER
(2)NADAL, Rafael ESP BYE
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Action Jackson
10-14-2007, 11:45 AM
Not sure if you can count down. They are scheduled to meet in the 3rd round and not the quarters.

rocketassist
10-14-2007, 11:48 AM
Muzza and MC Radek. Fireworks aplenty :lol:

Jaffas85
10-14-2007, 11:49 AM
After having looked at the draw here are my predictions for the QF, SF and Final stages:

(1) Roger Federer Vs. (7) David Ferrer
(2) Rafael Nadal Vs. (9) Tomas Berdych (Repeat of last year)
(3) Novak Djokovic Vs. (10) Richard Gasquet
(4) Nikolay Davydenko Vs. (11) Tommy Haas

Semis:

(1) Roger Federer Vs (4) Nikolay Davydenko
(2) Rafael Nadal Vs. (3) Novak Djokovic

Final:

(1) Roger Federer Vs. (3) Novak Djokovic

BTW, The most interesting first round match will be Murray Vs. Stepanek (Murray was only one ranking position away from being seeded)

Safin Vs. Karlovic should also be interesting.

Yappa
10-14-2007, 11:50 AM
I am more interested in the reason, why Wawrinka got a SE. Vienna is a lower ranked tourney than Madrid, so how is that possible? Anything in the rulebook?

Sucks that Kiefer is near Davydenko. :(

juvvi
10-14-2007, 11:51 AM
Gasquet's going to win this one fair and square.

leng jai
10-14-2007, 11:52 AM
Haas....Davydenko....Quarterfinal...

Haas is fucked.

Kurata
10-14-2007, 11:52 AM
For the TMC interesting 1/8 with

Haas/Gonzales
Blake/Gasquet
and
Robredo/Berdych

Action Jackson
10-14-2007, 11:53 AM
Haas isn't getting past Andreev.

Yappa
10-14-2007, 12:04 PM
Haas....Davydenko....Quarterfinal...

Haas is fucked.

Honestly, QF would already be quite an achievement for him. If he were to make the QF in both Madrid in Paris, then I guess, that he chances to finally get to fly over to Shanghai should be pretty good. Could have been worse. For example playing against Fed, Rafa or Nole in the 3rd round.

Andi-M
10-14-2007, 12:13 PM
Sh!t draw for Muzza...:mad:

Nole V Fed final deffo

BlueSwan
10-14-2007, 12:32 PM
Not a good draw for Rafa. I trust that Federer will dismiss Canas if they meet in that 3rd round.

scoobs
10-14-2007, 12:37 PM
Federer will be ready for that match, if it happens.

stebs
10-14-2007, 12:43 PM
Predictions

R3

(1)FEDERER, Roger SUI def. (13)CANAS, Guillermo ARG
(12)LJUBICIC, Ivan CRO def. (7)FERRER, David ESP

(4)DAVYDENKO, Nikolay RUS def. (16)YOUZHNY, Mikhail RUS
ANDREEV, Igor RUS loses to (5)GONZALEZ, Fernando CHI

ANCIC, Mario CRO loses to MATHIEU, Paul-Henri FRA
FERRERO, Juan Carlos ESP loses to (3)DJOKOVIC, Novak SRB

(8)ROBREDO, Tommy ESP loses to (9)BERDYCH, Tomas CZE
MURRAY, Andy GBR loses to (2)NADAL, Rafael ESP

QF

(1)FEDERER, Roger SUI def. (12)LJUBICIC, Ivan CRO

(4)DAVYDENKO, Nikolay RUS def. (5)GONZALEZ, Fernando CHI

MATHIEU, Paul-Henri FRA loses to (3)DJOKOVIC, Novak SRB

(9)BERDYCH, Tomas CZE loses to (2)NADAL, Rafael ESP

SF

(1)FEDERER, Roger SUI def. (4)DAVYDENKO, Nikolay RUS

(3)DJOKOVIC, Novak SRB def. (2)NADAL, Rafael ESP

F

(1)FEDERER, Roger SUI def. (3)DJOKOVIC, Novak SRB

DrJules
10-14-2007, 12:43 PM
Not a good draw for Rafa. I trust that Federer will dismiss Canas if they meet in that 3rd round.

Having not played and injured since US Open that is certainly true.

dijus
10-14-2007, 12:45 PM
vamos Willy :p
Step vs Muzza is surely match of 1st round
Almagro vs Santoro should be nice to watch as well

stebs
10-14-2007, 12:51 PM
Federer has an easy enough first match and he will be glad of that after his long rest but after that he will have to be in tune to beat the human metronome who has already hurt him in AMS events this year but I think if he is playing okay he shouldn't have problems. After that I hate to say it but a line of pigeons present themselves and it's hard to imagine Youzhny, Davydenko, Ljubicic, Ferrer or Gonzalez beating him here. A final with Djokovic or Nadal could be great though.

Nadal has it pretty tough as well. Baghdatis is unlikely to do a lot but on an inspired day he is still hot stuff. After that any of the potential R3 opponents are tough. We have seen how Murray can trouble Rafa in that great AO match, Stepanek will throw up a challenge with the good serving and net approaches and although Chela sometimes struggles to hit through people his height and stroke production means that the topspin won't hurt him.

Djokovic has a draw which is probably the expected difficulty level of an AMS event. Nobody who is likely to beat him but Verdasco is a very good player and Ferrero and Moya are not nobodies and even if technically they are not as good as Nole they do have the willpower to take their chances if Djokovic came out slow. The one advantage Djokovic does have in his draw is a pretty easy quarter final where he shouldn't expend too much energy before a potential SF with Nadal which will always be tough in Madrid or Berdych who is always a big threat.

Murray comes back to a big tournament fully fit for the first time (US Open he was okay but still not 100% imo) and this is the draw he gets. :lol: I see him taking Stepanek out actually although in a way I would love to see Steppa take on Rafa but as draws go this is not a good one for Murray.

martine2
10-14-2007, 12:52 PM
Bad draw for Willy :sad:

Ruski
10-14-2007, 12:53 PM
Mitya will not let this Fed-Canas encounter to happen!!!

adee-gee
10-14-2007, 12:59 PM
Horrific draw for Rafa and Muzza :(

Perfect draw for Federer, Canas would do well to beat Tursunov and even if he does he won't take more than 3 games off Federer in a set.

stebs
10-14-2007, 01:05 PM
Horrific draw for Rafa and Muzza :(

Perfect draw for Federer, Canas would do well to beat Tursunov and even if he does he won't take more than 3 games off Federer in a set.

Do I sense a twinge of fanboy paranoia. :p

I have stated that Federer has a nice draw due to his potential QF/SF opponents but realistically there is only Djokovic who Federer could face before the final were people would maybe expect a close match.

I agree that Nadal has a tough draw but as a fairly neutral tennis fan it has to be said that there are some great potnetial match-ups in Rafa's draw. Seeing him play Stepanek would be a pleasure and yes that is even if he won easily.

Murray has a frighteninly awful draw.

Caio_Brasil
10-14-2007, 01:13 PM
easy match for Willy

*snowflake*
10-14-2007, 01:28 PM
I really feel sorry for Baggy...i'm starting to think that Federer left him traumatized in Cincinnati cause he just can't get it together cince that match...he'll probably have tough time with that qualifier too

No need to say how pissed i am that Novak can meet Carlos in the 3th round :mad:

I have faith in Guille...he can kick Roger's ass once again if he puts his mind to it...yes he's been slacking lately but he has it in him

Possible second round Feli vs. Pics doesn't make me happy either...poor LaLo doesn't stand a chance against mighty Pics

I'm hoping to see Davydenko and Stani Boy in the 3th round...but Ivo will be a tough nut to crack for first Safin and posiblly Davydenko so we'll see

Also hoping to see Feña in nothing less than quarter finals and hoping to see Steppy vs. Chela match and keeping my fingers crossed for Rafa's knee(s)


...but i have a feeling that i'll be banging my head against the wall in a few days when i realize that half of the mighty have fallen :rolleyes:

ezekiel
10-14-2007, 01:30 PM
Fed has it easy again, Canas is in crisis form. I wish Nole was on Fed's side so he can take him on sooner and make him lose some pts ;)

ReturnWinner
10-14-2007, 01:33 PM
very very unlikely Cañas can beat Federer in Madrid,its indoor and faster than both indian wells and miami and maybe the most important

there is alttitude in Madrid, and Cañas hates to play under those



conditions since he has too much trouble to control the ball

Corey Feldman
10-14-2007, 01:37 PM
No worries about Canas... he's nothing like the player he was early in the year.

Muzza v Radek is a classic :D

good draw overall and the battle for 7th and 8th in Shanghai adds to it.

Corey Feldman
10-14-2007, 01:39 PM
I wish Nole was on Fed's side so he can take him on sooner and make him lose some pts ;)Full of yourself again now that Nole has won another Mickey Mouse event i see.

lol

foul_dwimmerlaik
10-14-2007, 01:41 PM
I don't think Fed should worry overmuch, Canas is not the same player now that he was in spring.

Very nice, very balanced draw. Lots of interesting matches.

DrJules
10-14-2007, 01:42 PM
No worries about Canas... he's nothing like the player he was early in the year.

Muzza v Radek is a classic :D

good draw overall and the battle for 7th and 8th in Shanghai adds to it.

GlennMiryni will be eagerly awaiting that class.:devil: :devil:

DrJules
10-14-2007, 01:43 PM
Horrific draw for Rafa and Muzza :(

Perfect draw for Federer, Canas would do well to beat Tursunov and even if he does he won't take more than 3 games off Federer in a set.

If Tursunov beats Canas agree.

Bilbo
10-14-2007, 01:46 PM
The Madrid champion you are searching for is R. Federer

Jimnik
10-14-2007, 01:50 PM
Not a very exciting draw.

Fed-Djok final is almost a foregone conclusion. Only question is who will be their victims in the SF.

Bilbo
10-14-2007, 01:59 PM
Fed-Djok final is almost a foregone conclusion. Only question is who will be their victims in the SF.

N. Davydenko and T. Berdych

scoobs
10-14-2007, 02:04 PM
GlennMiryni will be eagerly awaiting that class.:devil: :devil:
Not really - he'll probably cheer whichever one wins since he can't decide whether he likes Murray or not.

Corey Feldman
10-14-2007, 02:25 PM
I'll still pick Nadal to make the final before Djokovic here

Action Jackson
10-14-2007, 02:27 PM
Qualifiers so far are.

Marc Gicquel
Robby Ginepri
Stefan Koubek
Alejandro Falla

stebs
10-14-2007, 02:30 PM
I'll still pick Nadal to make the final before Djokovic here

I agree. Berdych at his best indoors is what was needed to take out Nadal last year and I'll still say that Djokovic will bring that level of tennis rarely. I feel that Nadal was actually, despite what some may say, at his best for Madrid last year. He lost to a great Berdych performance and indoors there aren't many who can top that. I also fancy Nadal to bring that form again or even if he isn't hitting so well the fight will be amazing as always when he has a lot of motivation. I would say Berdych has as good a chance to beat Nadal as Djokovic and that Djokovic will only reach the final if Berdych does the job for him.

nanoman
10-14-2007, 02:33 PM
Where is Roddick ?

Corey Feldman
10-14-2007, 02:33 PM
Melzer has never played Federer before, i just noticed.

I agree. Berdych at his best indoors is what was needed to take out Nadal last year and I'll still say that Djokovic will bring that level of tennis rarely. I feel that Nadal was actually, despite what some may say, at his best for Madrid last year. He lost to a great Berdych performance and indoors there aren't many who can top that. I also fancy Nadal to bring that form again or even if he isn't hitting so well the fight will be amazing as always when he has a lot of motivation. I would say Berdych has as good a chance to beat Nadal as Djokovic and that Djokovic will only reach the final if Berdych does the job for him.Lets have another Rafa - Berdy QF, just to see how it goes :devil:

Jimnik
10-14-2007, 02:35 PM
I agree. Berdych at his best indoors is what was needed to take out Nadal last year and I'll still say that Djokovic will bring that level of tennis rarely. I feel that Nadal was actually, despite what some may say, at his best for Madrid last year. He lost to a great Berdych performance and indoors there aren't many who can top that. I also fancy Nadal to bring that form again or even if he isn't hitting so well the fight will be amazing as always when he has a lot of motivation. I would say Berdych has as good a chance to beat Nadal as Djokovic and that Djokovic will only reach the final if Berdych does the job for him.
Nadal hasn't played since the USO and he hasn't got a nice draw here. Even if Murray or Stepanek don't take him out Berdych will probably finish the job in the QF.

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 02:36 PM
I agree. Berdych at his best indoors is what was needed to take out Nadal last year and I'll still say that Djokovic will bring that level of tennis rarely. I feel that Nadal was actually, despite what some may say, at his best for Madrid last year. He lost to a great Berdych performance and indoors there aren't many who can top that. I also fancy Nadal to bring that form again or even if he isn't hitting so well the fight will be amazing as always when he has a lot of motivation. I would say Berdych has as good a chance to beat Nadal as Djokovic and that Djokovic will only reach the final if Berdych does the job for him.

I too would love to a see Berdych-Nadal rematch with this polite crowd :D

Where is Roddick ?

Elsewhere :shrug:

Corey Feldman
10-14-2007, 02:36 PM
scratch that

Muzza v Berdy QF i mean

Where is Roddick?Pretending he's injured so he can stay home and continue to decorate every room in his house with pictures of the Davis Cup

Jimnik
10-14-2007, 02:37 PM
Where is Roddick ?
Lying on a sofa eating Cheetos.

TMJordan
10-14-2007, 02:45 PM
Steps/Murray should be great, I would LOVE to see Radek/Nadal, no chance for Nadal, also I don't think Nadal would beat Murray.

stebs
10-14-2007, 02:46 PM
Nadal hasn't played since the USO and he hasn't got a nice draw here. Even if Murray or Stepanek don't take him out Berdych will probably finish the job in the QF.

Well he may have pulled out of an event hurt but as I'm sure you know oftentimes that means little more than the player in question is in need of an extended rest. I haven't done my research so I don't know how much Nadal has been practicing but a layoff may have done him good more than bad.

Yes it is a tough draw though and if he comes through I think he will need the motivation the crowd gives him.

Burrow
10-14-2007, 02:47 PM
Marat vs Karlovic!

The former champion is going to give the giant a battering!!!

Corey Feldman
10-14-2007, 02:49 PM
Lying on a sofa eating Cheetos.A)Lying on a sofa B)Decorating his house full of Davis Cup wallpaper C)Wrapped up in cotton wool locked in Pat Mcenroe's basement D)Playing Exho's with isner.

anything but injured.

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 02:53 PM
Well he may have pulled out of an event hurt but as I'm sure you know oftentimes that means little more than the player in question is in need of an extended rest. I haven't done my research so I don't know how much Nadal has been practicing but a layoff may have done him good more than bad.

Yes it is a tough draw though and if he comes through I think he will need the motivation the crowd gives him.

He took 10-14 days off completely after the USO match and started to practice about the time Bangkok started. He's been in Madrid about 4 days getting used to the condiditons

Knees still taped, btw

A)Lying on a sofa B)Decorating his house full of Davis Cup wallpaper C)Wrapped up in cotton wool locked in Pat Mcenroe's basement D)Playing Exho's with isner.

anything but injured.

D- Actually, after the Baltimore thing, Isner is back in California in another Challenger ;) Along with MTF fan favorite Donald Young among others. :)

ASP0315
10-14-2007, 02:56 PM
Where is Roddick ?

injured offcourse. :haha:
But he was in baltimore playing exhos with isner. :lol:
He doesn't really give a damn about TMS events outside US.
he won't get fined for skipping events because he is world number 5.

nobama
10-14-2007, 03:01 PM
I'd like to see Sexy and Nadal play each other.

stebs
10-14-2007, 03:02 PM
He took 10-14 days off completely after the USO match and started to practice about the time Bangkok started. He's been in Madrid about 4 days getting used to the condiditons

Knees still taped, btw

Fair enough. well, assuming the knee holds up I don't think the time off will do him damage once he has played a match and right now Baggy probably won't be good enough to take advantage of rust.

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 03:06 PM
Fair enough. well, assuming the knee holds up I don't think the time off will do him damage once he has played a match and right now Baggy probably won't be good enough to take advantage of rust.

Baggy i have no fear of.

Its Stepanek and Berdych that are the bigger concerns, before Nole, and then Federer.

No cupcake here

Monteque
10-14-2007, 03:07 PM
Good draw. Wont be that easy for Fed just like you all guys think. Fed also Nadal will do the 1st match since USO.

I have feeling Djoko will take this one.

World Beater
10-14-2007, 03:14 PM
nadal has a nice warmup in mugdatis.

should be enough for him to get the groove in madrid.

TMJordan
10-14-2007, 03:16 PM
Mugdatis doesn't get by the qualifier he plays.

Alex999
10-14-2007, 03:38 PM
I'm not sure about Nadal. I wouldn't be surprised if he is out early :-(

ReturnWinner
10-14-2007, 03:41 PM
Mugdatis doesn't get by the qualifier he plays.

yeah that could happen,he could lose to Calleri,Falla,Koubek or Ginepri

Action Jackson
10-14-2007, 03:42 PM
Calleri is in now.

Metis
10-14-2007, 04:02 PM
Marcos! :sad: (though the way things have been going lately, I wouldn't expect much more even if he had an easier draw...)

Nadal has his work cut out for him. I hope he's in good shape :unsure:. It seems that Federer will cruise to the final meeting some of his favorite pigeons on the way. As for Canas, I don't see what the concern is given that his recent results have been rather disappointing. Even if he were in good form I couldn't see him beating Roger for the 3rd time. Of course that's what we all said before the 2nd time :lol:.

Action Jackson
10-14-2007, 04:17 PM
Pavel is the next one into the MD.

adee-gee
10-14-2007, 04:23 PM
I'll still pick Nadal to make the final before Djokovic here

I wish I was as optimistic as you, I'd be satisfied with a QF from Rafa :o

If Baggy gets through, even though he's Rafa's bitch it wouldn't be easy. I know he's in pretty awful form but he'll come good at some point, and it'll be Nadal's first match for a while and who knows how fit he really is, I fancy if it wasn't Madrid he wouldn't be playing.

Even if he gets past Baggy, Chela/Murray/Stepanek all have a very realistic shot of beating him. Chela was playing magnificently last week and I actually think he might beat Muzza/Step, and he'd be tough for Rafa.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm expecting a pretty early roast. Rafa usually proves me and others wrong, hope he does it again :)

stebs
10-14-2007, 04:36 PM
If Baggy gets through, even though he's Rafa's bitch it wouldn't be easy. I know he's in pretty awful form but he'll come good at some point, and it'll be Nadal's first match for a while and who knows how fit he really is, I fancy if it wasn't Madrid he wouldn't be playing.
From what I've heard about his fitness I think Nadal at this fitness level would pull out of an MM but would play any AMS, GS and maybe Barcelona just because he seems to love the tournament.

Even if he gets past Baggy, Chela/Murray/Stepanek all have a very realistic shot of beating him. Chela was playing magnificently last week and I actually think he might beat Muzza/Step, and he'd be tough for Rafa.
We know tennis is about matchups and all three of the R3 opponents have skills which are good for playing Nadal but Chela isn't getting past Stepanek if they meet it is a terrible matchup for Chela.

dijus
10-14-2007, 04:46 PM
Pavel is the next one into the MD.

GL in MD Andrei

Action Jackson
10-14-2007, 04:52 PM
The qualifiers are



Marc Gicquel
Robby Ginepri
Stefan Koubek
Alejandro Falla
Agustin Calleri
Andrei Pavel

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 04:57 PM
Adam, Chela wont be beating anyone :lol:

dijus
10-14-2007, 05:00 PM
Melzer vs Ginepri
Nieminen vs Koubek
Ancic vs Gicquel
Baghdatis vs Pavel
Tursunov vs Calleri
Falla vs Ferrero

stebs
10-14-2007, 05:03 PM
The qualifiers are



Marc Gicquel
Robby Ginepri
Stefan Koubek
Alejandro Falla
Agustin Calleri
Andrei Pavel

A pretty decent group of qualifiers with some good experience.

Ginepri has a good record over the last two year with losses to Nadal and Federer both of whom went on to win the title and victories over Ferrer, Davydenko, Grosjean, Robredo, Ancic and Lopez.

For a player of his level which is basically solid top 30 that is a very strong record.

Action Jackson
10-14-2007, 05:05 PM
Melzer vs Ginepri
Nieminen vs Koubek
Ancic vs Gicquel
Baghdatis vs Pavel
Tursunov vs Calleri
Falla vs Ferrero

Thanks for that and I think a few of the qualifiers might get to the 2nd round.

Tursunov and Calleri that will be a battle of tactics. Of course Ferrero got the weakest one of the 6.

stebs, you overrate Ginepri, but he has a good record at Madrid.

Corey Feldman
10-14-2007, 05:06 PM
Im sure Nadal's fitness is fine now...
if you seen those pics of him practising with Moya.... all sweaty and smiling - just to me that means he's probably good.

rusty? maybe.

WD Pavel and Steff for qlfy.

dylan24
10-14-2007, 05:09 PM
uncle toni at it again. screws roger.
only person who scares federer is canas
federer is fucked if he has to play canas.
sure canas can't beat anyone nowdays, but he'll still beat federer

stebs
10-14-2007, 05:11 PM
Thanks for that and I think a few of the qualifiers might get to the 2nd round.

Tursunov and Calleri that will be a battle of tactics. Of course Ferrero got the weakest one of the 6.

stebs, you overrate Ginepri, but he has a good record at Madrid.

I overrate Ginepri how? You think he is not good enough to be a top 30 player? Well right now obviously not otherwise he would be getting the results but in terms of his game he should be knocking about around there and we'll see if good memories can provoke him to bring his level up and it's a reaction kind of like Kunitsyn in Moscow.

Personally I would say that you underrate Ginepri and let dislike cloud your vision of him but that doesn't mean I think he is a great player. Anyway, it is basically irrelevant now, I mean he may well beat Melzer but after that he has a snowballs chance in hell of progressing.

Action Jackson
10-14-2007, 05:17 PM
I overrate Ginepri how? You think he is not good enough to be a top 30 player? Well right now obviously not otherwise he would be getting the results but in terms of his game he should be knocking about around there and we'll see if good memories can provoke him to bring his level up and it's a reaction kind of like Kunitsyn in Moscow.

Personally I would say that you underrate Ginepri and let dislike cloud your vision of him but that doesn't mean I think he is a great player. Anyway, it is basically irrelevant now, I mean he may well beat Melzer but after that he has a snowballs chance in hell of progressing.

At best Ginepri should be around 35-50. As for beating Melzer he has the kind of game that will do that.

So he can run fast and hit balls, but doesn't have much thought patterns to what he is doing, though this can be a good thing.

Xristos
10-14-2007, 05:21 PM
Fed v Neps round 2!

Baggy will struggle to beat Pavel.

stebs
10-14-2007, 05:23 PM
At best Ginepri should be around 35-50. As for beating Melzer he has the kind of game that will do that.

So he can run fast and hit balls, but doesn't have much thought patterns to what he is doing, though this can be a good thing.

His point construction is pretty terrible but being solid off both wings and a good mover are not traits which should be taken for granted. I mean he is nothing special and there a lot of players around the top 30 mark who you look at and say this guy could be top 15, Ginepri is not one of them but he has a game that, when his confidence is high, gets the wins and if he is doing that then he is better than top 50 whether he is a prick or not.

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 05:25 PM
Im sure Nadal's fitness is fine now...
if you seen those pics of him practising with Moya.... all sweaty and smiling - just to me that means he's probably good.

rusty? maybe.

WD Pavel and Steff for qlfy.

Anytime he is with Moya he is sweaty and smiling :rolleyes: :o :lol:

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 05:26 PM
uncle toni at it again. screws roger.
only person who scares federer is canas
federer is fucked if he has to play canas.
sure canas can't beat anyone nowdays, but he'll still beat federer

Dont worry, your Federer bet is safe.

stebs
10-14-2007, 05:31 PM
Dont worry, your Federer bet is safe.

Takes a special kind of person to think Federer got screwed by this draw. :lol:

ReturnWinner
10-14-2007, 05:31 PM
both Calleri and Tursunov have great chances to beat Cañas

Action Jackson
10-14-2007, 05:32 PM
His point construction is pretty terrible but being solid off both wings and a good mover are not traits which should be taken for granted. I mean he is nothing special and there a lot of players around the top 30 mark who you look at and say this guy could be top 15, Ginepri is not one of them but he has a game that, when his confidence is high, gets the wins and if he is doing that then he is better than top 50 whether he is a prick or not.

Who is taking them for granted? He could be top 50, just be playing hardcourts all year round and being fit using his main advantage, but 35-50 is about his level at best. I mean I dislike Boredo, but he does deserve to be where he is ranked.

Burrow
10-14-2007, 05:33 PM
both Calleri and Tursunov have great chances to beat Cañas

As much as I like Calleri, you think he has a great chance against pretty much anybody.

ReturnWinner
10-14-2007, 05:34 PM
Adam, Chela wont be beating anyone :lol:

How do u know????

ReturnWinner
10-14-2007, 05:34 PM
As much as I like Calleri, you think he has a great chance against pretty much anybody.

no :sad: :confused:

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 05:34 PM
Takes a special kind of person to think Federer got screwed by this draw. :lol:

Seriously, every single person on his half, save Canas, who is in shit form, is Federer's absolute bitch.

Who can beat him? Dima? Ginepri? Ljubishit? Lopez? Pics? Kolya? Ivo? Marat? Misha? Haas? Gonzo?

Almost every member of his bitch brigade is in his half. Only Roddick is missing

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 05:35 PM
How do u know????

Do you see Chela beating Murray or Stepanek? Indoors? I dont

Kitty de Sade
10-14-2007, 05:35 PM
Don't listen to Jonathan's crazy predictions about Chela not winning. He's just jealous. :p

Burrow
10-14-2007, 05:36 PM
Marcos! :sad: (though the way things have been going lately, I wouldn't expect much more even if he had an easier draw...)

Nadal has his work cut out for him. I hope he's in good shape :unsure:. It seems that Federer will cruise to the final meeting some of his favorite pigeons on the way. As for Canas, I don't see what the concern is given that his recent results have been rather disappointing. Even if he were in good form I couldn't see him beating Roger for the 3rd time. Of course that's what we all said before the 2nd time :lol:.

Totally different indoors, and I could see Federer beating him rather easily.

elessar
10-14-2007, 05:36 PM
Takes a special kind of person to think Federer got screwed by this draw. :lol:

Well there are very few draw that can really screw Federer since he can't meet Nadal and Djoko before the final. Given their respectives forms lately Roger losing to Canas (again !) would take require a pretty :smash: performance from him.
He knows winning Madrid would give him ( barring injuries) the year end nr 1 ranking and I think he's going make sure he doesn't let that opportunity slip by

ReturnWinner
10-14-2007, 05:37 PM
Do you see Chela beating Murray or Stepanek? Indoors? I dont

he should be the underdog against both of them but has some chances to win, i think specially against Stepanek

yana
10-14-2007, 05:37 PM
I don't think Canas will beat Fed, but one can dream...:lick:
And people must never stop dreaming.

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 05:38 PM
Don't listen to Jonathan's crazy predictions about Chela not winning. He's just jealous. :p

Perhaps you can explain to everyone what YOU know about Chela? ;)

Action Jackson
10-14-2007, 05:38 PM
As much as I like Calleri, you think he has a great chance against pretty much anybody.

Depends which Calleri shows up to play. Funny that he has never played Federer before.

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 05:39 PM
he should be the underdog against both of them but has some chances to win, i think specially against Stepanek

Especially against Stepanek? If he has any shot, its against Murray, coming off an injury recently and still shaking off some rust.

He has no shot against Steps, hes a beast indoors.

Kitty de Sade
10-14-2007, 05:41 PM
Perhaps you can explain to everyone what YOU know about Chela? ;)

Playing indoors changes the equation- true enough. He's wirey and crafty, though. I wouldn't underestimate him finding a way to prove you wrong. Winning the whole thing? No. Leaving the party with a goose egg, though? Not seeing that either. :)

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 05:43 PM
Playing indoors changes the equation- true enough. He's wirey and crafty, though. I wouldn't underestimate him finding a way to prove you wrong. Winning the whole thing? No. Leaving the party with a goose egg, though? Not seeing that either. :)

I was talking about something else, but whatever :p

He wont beat Sexy, and he'll be a dog vs. Murray

ReturnWinner
10-14-2007, 05:43 PM
Especially against Stepanek? If he has any shot, its against Murray, coming off an injury recently and still shaking off some rust.

He has no shot against Steps, hes a beast indoors.

no,he has better chances against Stepanek, Murray is playing well so that argument about the injury is not very valid and Sexy is a very

good indoor player but do not overated him. Chela is very solid from the

baseline and can beat Sexy there , exploting Sexy fh with his very

good bh even although if Sexy serves and volleys well things

will be very difficult for Esqueleto.

Jimnik
10-14-2007, 05:44 PM
Melzer vs Ginepri
Nieminen vs Koubek
Ancic vs Gicquel
Baghdatis vs Pavel
Tursunov vs Calleri
Falla vs Ferrero
Perfect, looks like the Spaniards know how to rig their draws properly. :yeah:

I know one or two individuals around here were hoping to see Calleri give JCF another Davis Cup style spanking. :p

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 05:45 PM
no,he has better chances against Stepanek, Murray is playing well so that argument about the injury is not very valid and Sexy is a very

good indoor player but do not overated him. Chela is very solid from the

baseline and can beat Sexy there , exploting Sexy fh with his very

good bh even although if Sexy serves and volleys well things

will be very difficult for Esqueleto.

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree :lol:

stebs
10-14-2007, 05:46 PM
Seriously, every single person on his half, save Canas, who is in shit form, is Federer's absolute bitch.

Who can beat him? Dima? Ginepri? Ljubishit? Lopez? Pics? Kolya? Ivo? Marat? Misha? Haas? Gonzo?

Almost every member of his bitch brigade is in his half. Only Roddick is missing

Yes it's an easy draw but at the same time if you give Federer Nadal's draw he is still huge favourite to beat everyone.

stebs
10-14-2007, 05:48 PM
no,he has better chances against Stepanek, Murray is playing well so that argument about the injury is not very valid and Sexy is a very

good indoor player but do not overated him. Chela is very solid from the

baseline and can beat Sexy there , exploting Sexy fh with his very

good bh even although if Sexy serves and volleys well things

will be very difficult for Esqueleto.

Chela can frustrate Murray from the back if Murray has a bad day but Stepanek matches up well against Chela on this surface, he can be aggressive and come to net often. I would be shocked to see Stepanek beat Murray and lose to Chela.

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 05:50 PM
Canas won't get to the third round, I tell you.

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 05:54 PM
Yes it's an easy draw but at the same time if you give Federer Nadal's draw he is still huge favourite to beat everyone.

Not Nole :p Nalbandian is also over there :p But i see your point. There are only about 3-4 or so guys that can beat Federer, and they all would need to play their best to do it

yana
10-14-2007, 05:55 PM
Yes it's an easy draw but at the same time if you give Federer Nadal's draw he is still huge favourite to beat everyone.

Djoko can take him out.

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 05:59 PM
Djoko can take him out.

No.

yana
10-14-2007, 06:00 PM
No.

No? :p

stebs
10-14-2007, 06:01 PM
Not Nole :p Nalbandian is also over there :p But i see your point. There are only about 3-4 or so guys that can beat Federer, and they all would need to play their best to do it

Right about Nole, he is a challenge but Federer would still be a heavy favourite for me. The way Djokovic has frustrated Federer is defensive abilities not power hitting and that is harder indoors. Federer has it easier vs Djokovic indoors than he does on hard.

Nalbandian does have game to trouble Federer but his form is as bad as Canas' and the H-2-H less bad so it doesn't make a great deal of sense to call him a htreat while Canas isn't one. Nalbandian hasn't won three matches in a row since RG whilst Canas did so last week in Metz.

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 06:04 PM
Right about Nole, he is a challenge but Federer would still be a heavy favourite for me. The way Djokovic has frustrated Federer is defensive abilities not power hitting and that is harder indoors. Federer has it easier vs Djokovic indoors than he does on hard.

Nalbandian does have game to trouble Federer but his form is as bad as Canas' and the H-2-H less bad so it doesn't make a great deal of sense to call him a htreat while Canas isn't one. Nalbandian hasn't won three matches in a row since RG whilst Canas did so last week in Metz.

I think we are picking at straws here, we all know Federer will get to the final with only minimal stress from Canas, and will face Djokovic in the final, as i cant see Nadal coming back to beat Stepanek, Berdych and Nole all in a row

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 06:07 PM
Nadal won't beat Berdych, or Murray.

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 06:09 PM
Berdych would be a fave surely, and i cant see Murray even getting to Nadal.

Berdych has to make sure he doesnt fuck up before then, as he is as inconsistent as anyone and can easily lose to Fat Dave/Clement.

Im sure the Madrid crowd will remember the issue last year in their QF match as well

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 06:11 PM
Murray is a favorite on this slow surface to get through his part of the draw.

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 06:16 PM
If its a slow hard court, (which it isnt) how do you figure Murray to be the fave?

TMJordan
10-14-2007, 06:17 PM
Nadal won't beat Berdych, or Murray.

Or Steps.

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 06:17 PM
Favorite to beat Stepanek.

TMJordan
10-14-2007, 06:18 PM
Favorite to beat Stepanek.

Of course he will be the favorite, but he won't beat him ;)

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 06:19 PM
Stepanek is one of the best player in the world indoors, i cant see Murray beating him

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 06:21 PM
Indoors, but not on blue clay indoors.

adee-gee
10-14-2007, 06:23 PM
Do you see Chela beating Murray or Stepanek? Indoors? I dont
Chela was playing unreal tennis last week, I was impressed. I'd say he has a decent shot against either if he plays like he was.

cmurray
10-14-2007, 06:23 PM
As much as I HATE HATE HATE to say this, I have to give the edge to Steps over Murray. Grrr. I hope this isn't the case but I just have this feeling. Federer's draw is a joke. Canas isn't going to even MAKE it to the third round. And even if he did, he wouldn't have a snowball's chance against Roger.

Just hand over the title to Federer now and get it done with. :rolleyes:

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 06:24 PM
Indoors, but not on blue clay indoors.

So indoor blue clay and Nadal is not the fave?

Allure
10-14-2007, 06:25 PM
Where is Roddick ?

He doesn't want to be humiliated by losing to Trinity.

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 06:26 PM
No because he sucks. There won't be a draw with Gineprick and Ljuba Truba this time.

MrChopin
10-14-2007, 06:26 PM
:lol: bitch! bitch! bitch!

Federer's draw isn't difficult, but it's hard for me to imagine one that would be. Maybe if he drew Stepanek, some big servers, and then Nole (re: unsettling variety). And if Fed doesn't get his main bitches (Davydenko, Roddick, or Blake), then the bottom half of the draw will still be hell for Nadal. Either way, Nadal's draw is "difficult."

I don't think Djokovic is going to be in the finals. He's got weak stamina, and now going into his second straight week, I won't be surprised if he drops out early. He'll probably beat Moya, but then he gets either Gasquet or Blake, who is one big test he's yet to face on fast courts. If he can muster enough to get past the Q, beating Nadal/Berdych seems fairly implausible.

Allure
10-14-2007, 06:26 PM
As much as I HATE HATE HATE to say this, I have to give the edge to Steps over Murray. Grrr. I hope this isn't the case but I just have this feeling. Federer's draw is a joke. Canas isn't going to even MAKE it to the third round. And even if he did, he wouldn't have a snowball's chance against Roger.

Just hand over the title to Federer now and get it done with. :rolleyes:

:zzz: Like Nadal never got an easy draw.

cmurray
10-14-2007, 06:27 PM
So indoor blue clay and Nadal is not the fave?

Have you learned nothing? GlennM isn't going to call Nadal the favorite. However, distinguishing the tournament as "blue clay" allows an handy excuse were Nadal to actually take the title.

cmurray
10-14-2007, 06:29 PM
:zzz: Like Nadal never got an easy draw.

Who said he didn't???? What does that have to do with Federer's draw this time? It IS a joke. Federer could play in a pair of flip flops and he'd still kill everyone in his half.

Allure
10-14-2007, 06:32 PM
Who said he didn't???? What does that have to do with Federer's draw this time? It IS a joke. Federer could play in a pair of flip flops and he'd still kill everyone in his half.

Exactly. So why are you complaining that Fed has an easy draw when probably a lot of your favorites had one in past tournaments. :shrug:

RogiRafaFan86
10-14-2007, 06:34 PM
Who said he didn't???? What does that have to do with Federer's draw this time? It IS a joke. Federer could play in a pair of flip flops and he'd still kill everyone in his half.

I love the man, but don't even joke about that. :scared:

cmurray
10-14-2007, 06:34 PM
Exactly. So why are you complaining that Fed has an easy draw when probably a lot of your favorites had one in past tournaments. :shrug:

I was merely making an observation. I would make that same observation if it were Nadal with the cake draw. Save the righteous indignation.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-14-2007, 06:54 PM
Takes a special kind of person to think Federer got screwed by this draw. :lol:

Those "people" are called Fedtards.

What an unbalanced draw. Is chokovic always in Nadals draw?

Peoples
10-14-2007, 06:55 PM
No, it's a gross underestimation of Bye. He's been on the juice also for a couple of months and no weaker than Canas.
It will happen like this:

(1)FEDERER, Roger SUI def. BYE
QUALIFIER def. MELZER, Jurgen AUT
TURSUNOV, Dmitry RUS def. QUALIFIER
BYE def. (13)CANAS, Guillermo ARG

then...

(1)FEDERER, Roger SUI def. QUALIFIER
BYE def. TURSUNOV, Dmitry RUS

then...

(1)FEDERER, Roger SUI def. BYE

Allure
10-14-2007, 06:58 PM
Those "people" are called Fedtards.

What an unbalanced draw. Is chokovic always in Nadals draw?

Even if one eliminates the other, they would have no problem against Fedclown. ;)

stebs
10-14-2007, 07:07 PM
Those "people" are called Fedtards.

What an unbalanced draw. Is chokovic always in Nadals draw?

I thought I was a Fedtard? :confused:

cmurray
10-14-2007, 07:12 PM
I thought I was a Fedtard? :confused:

I'm a Fedtard too!!! RFK said so.

Looks like I'm in good company. :bounce:

Kitty de Sade
10-14-2007, 07:17 PM
I'm a Fedtard too!!! RFK said so.

Your avy gave it away, Muz. I saw it, and immediately thought- yep, she's a Fedtard. :p

RFK didn't know you were a chick either, right? Bygones though, regardless- he and I share a mutual affection for the WWE...er WWF, when I knew it. :aplot: :lol:

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-14-2007, 07:21 PM
Stebs and CMurray have an affinity for Federer. They are still not at the final stages of delusion so they have some hope of being cured.

I guess there should be multiple levels of Fedtardism to simplify matters.

Allure
10-14-2007, 07:24 PM
Stebs and CMurray have an affinity for Federer. They are still not at the final stages of delusion so they have some hope of being cured.

I guess there should be multiple levels of Fedtardism to simplify matters.

Sampras, you should spend more time with your family then posting on here. :wavey:

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-14-2007, 07:26 PM
Sampras, you should spend more time with your family then posting on here. :wavey:

I think BORG is the GOAT so I wonder why you would think I am
Samprass

Oh well go back to your Federer poster.

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 07:30 PM
I think BORG is the GOAT so I wonder why you would think I am
Samprass

Oh well go back to your Federer poster.

Borg was a pansy who quit when someone way better showed up.

stebs
10-14-2007, 07:31 PM
Stebs and CMurray have an affinity for Federer. They are still not at the final stages of delusion so they have some hope of being cured.

I guess there should be multiple levels of Fedtardism to simplify matters.

So what level am I at? :)

stebs
10-14-2007, 07:33 PM
I'm a Fedtard too!!! RFK said so.

Looks like I'm in good company. :bounce:

I'm glad you think so. :)

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-14-2007, 07:34 PM
So what level am I at? :)

Level 3 - curable ;)

People like Tourmalante and MirkaLand would be at
level 10 - beyond help

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 07:35 PM
Level 3 - curable ;)

People like Tourmalante and MirkaLand would be at
level 10 - beyond help

You're softing up, R=FK. :sad:

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-14-2007, 07:35 PM
Borg was a pansy who quit when someone way better showed up.

Borg was much greater than Samprass

The Wimby-French combo is the greatest and toughest thing to achieve in tennis.

Great defense and great offense.

Borg quit out of boredom. How many times can you keep winning the French and Wimby.

Eden
10-14-2007, 07:36 PM
Who said he didn't???? What does that have to do with Federer's draw this time? It IS a joke. Federer could play in a pair of flip flops and he'd still kill everyone in his half.

Just out of interest:

Which players of the other half would you like to see in Rogers draw then? Would it really make any difference if he would have Robredo, Chela, Berdych or Gasquet in his draw and Rafa got Ferrer, Gonzalez or Youzhny instead?

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-14-2007, 07:37 PM
You're softing up, R=FK. :sad:

:(

Stebs is k, hes a bit nuts but doesnt piss me off.

Glenn I save my toughness for when it matters. I am not a choker like our friend chokovic ;)

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 07:37 PM
Borg was much greater than Samprass

The Wimby-French combo is the greatest and toughest thing to achieve in tennis.

Great defense and great offense.

Borg quit out of boredom. How many times can you keep winning the French and Wimby.

So crapping his pants to JMac is called boredom now? :p

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 07:38 PM
:(

Stebs is k, hes a bit nuts but doesnt piss me off.

Glenn I save my toughness for when it matters. I am not a choker like our friend chokovic ;)

Good to know. ;)

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-14-2007, 07:39 PM
So crapping his pants to JMac is called boredom now? :p

Samprass got humiliated by Safin and Hewitt didnt he.

And Federer has crapped his pants against Nadal over and over.

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 07:41 PM
Samprass got humiliated by Safin and Hewitt didnt he.

And Federer has crapped his pants against Nadal over and over.

Sampras was old already. Even then he won a GS to end his career, something BorE would never do.

And Nadal craps his pants to Blake. :haha:

Allure
10-14-2007, 07:41 PM
Samprass got humiliated by Safin and Hewitt didnt he.

And Federer has crapped his pants against Nadal over and over.

And Nadal crapped his pants against Djokovic, Blake, and Berdych over and over.

Tommy fan
10-14-2007, 07:59 PM
Tough draw for Tommy.. I hope he can get through it...

cmurray
10-14-2007, 08:20 PM
Just out of interest:

Which players of the other half would you like to see in Rogers draw then? Would it really make any difference if he would have Robredo, Chela, Berdych or Gasquet in his draw and Rafa got Ferrer, Gonzalez or Youzhny instead?

Gonzo is playing for crap right now. I'd be happy as a clam if he were in Raf's half. :shrug: It'd also be nice if Djoko would end up in Fed's half once in a while.

The point you're making, I presume, is that fewer players actually bother Federer, thereby making his draws seem easier. And of course, this is very true. Still, Murray, Gasquet and Djoko can all at least challenge Roger. And they are ALL in Rafa's half.

Allure
10-14-2007, 08:23 PM
Gonzo is playing for crap right now. I'd be happy as a clam if he were in Raf's half. :shrug: It'd also be nice if Djoko would end up in Fed's half once in a while.

The point you're making, I presume, is that fewer players actually bother Federer, thereby making his draws seem easier. And of course, this is very true. Still, Murray, Gasquet and Djoko can all at least challenge Roger. And they are ALL in Rafa's half.

Nadal needs to prove himself. If he can make it through the draw and into the finals then he'll definately gain some respect. ;)

cmurray
10-14-2007, 08:25 PM
Nadal needs to prove himself. If he can make it through the draw and into the finals then he'll definately gain some respect. ;)

Did he not do that at Wimbledon? How quickly you all forget what that draw looked like.

Soderling
Youzhny
Berdych
Djokovic
and he pushed Federer HARD in the final.

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 08:30 PM
Did he not do that at Wimbledon? How quickly you all forget what that draw looked like.

Soderling
Youzhny
Berdych
Djokovic
and he pushed Federer HARD in the final.

Cheryl, have you learned nothing?

Soderling choked
Youzhny was injured
Berdych doesnt have a windy game
Nole was kicking Rafa's ass until he too was injured

Poor girl :hug:

cmurray
10-14-2007, 08:36 PM
Cheryl, have you learned nothing?

Soderling choked
Youzhny was injured
Berdych doesnt have a windy game
Nole was kicking Rafa's ass until he too was injured

Poor girl :hug:

:sobbing: I'm completely hopeless, Jonathan. I especially forgot about Berdych and that damn wind that only managed to affect his game. Even the wind cheats for Nadal.

Allure
10-14-2007, 08:40 PM
Did he not do that at Wimbledon? How quickly you all forget what that draw looked like.

Soderling
Youzhny
Berdych
Djokovic
and he pushed Federer HARD in the final.

Exactly. So even with Djoke, Gasquet, Moya, Berdych, etc it should be no problem for ''the real #1.''

cmurray
10-14-2007, 08:49 PM
Exactly. So even with Djoke, Gasquet, Moya, Berdych, etc it should be no problem for ''the real #1.''

Who said anything about Nadal being "the real #1"?

Are you taking lessons from JMPower on how to be the ultimate Fedtard?

Eden
10-14-2007, 08:49 PM
Gonzo is playing for crap right now. I'd be happy as a clam if he were in Raf's half. :shrug: It'd also be nice if Djoko would end up in Fed's half once in a while.

The point you're making, I presume, is that fewer players actually bother Federer, thereby making his draws seem easier. And of course, this is very true. Still, Murray, Gasquet and Djoko can all at least challenge Roger. And they are ALL in Rafa's half.

See the bolded part and that's the main reason what's seperates Roger and Rafa on this surface ;)

Roger has Davydenko and Ferrer in his draw. Both gave him tough matches the last time they have played. Murray is still not 100% back after his long break and therefore it would have to be seen how he will do against Roger (hopefully we get to see a match between them soon). And Gasquet of course has the game to challenge Roger and take a set of him, but can he really beat him indoors?

It has to be seen how far Novak will go in the tournament. There are players who can trouble him, especially as he is now playing a back-to-back tournament.

When Rafa is 100% fit he will be dangerous as always, especially when playing at home. He is the no. 2 player of the world and the expectations on him are high, even if he isn't playing on his favourite surface.

bokehlicious
10-14-2007, 08:56 PM
Are you taking lessons from JMPower on how to be the ultimate Fedtard?

No way, I'm in my own league, hot lips :kiss: :cool: :wavey:

Allure
10-14-2007, 08:56 PM
Who said anything about Nadal being "the real #1"?

Are you taking lessons from JMPower on how to be the ultimate Fedtard?

No I'm taking lessons from Blaze. :kiss:

The point is Nadal has a hard draw. But if he got through it in Wimby he should theoretically get through the draw in Madrid. If he can't then he shouldn't be #2.

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 09:01 PM
No I'm taking lessons from Blaze. :kiss:

The point is Nadal has a hard draw. But if he got through it in Wimby he should theoretically get through the draw in Madrid. If he can't then he shouldn't be #2.

I love how the Fedtards mention the avvie more than i even remember that i have it :lol:

cmurray
10-14-2007, 09:01 PM
No way, I'm in my own league, hot lips :kiss: :cool: :wavey:

This is true. You are unique even by Fedtard standards. You still remain the only person who ever good-repped me to tell me I was stupid. :lol: :kiss:

Johnny Groove
10-14-2007, 09:03 PM
:sobbing: I'm completely hopeless, Jonathan. I especially forgot about Berdych and that damn wind that only managed to affect his game. Even the wind cheats for Nadal.

Are you kidding me? Berdych hits flat! Of course the wind would affect his game more than Nadal! Before that, Tomas had only lost on grass to Federer since 05!

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 09:06 PM
Did he not do that at Wimbledon? How quickly you all forget what that draw looked like.

Soderling
Youzhny
Berdych
Djokovic
and he pushed Federer HARD in the final.

Soderling isn't a great grass courter and almost won.
Youzhny was injured.
Berdych was bothered by the wind.
Fakervic was injured too.
Match-up issue.

Exactly. So even with Djoke, Gasquet, Moya, Berdych, etc it should be no problem for ''the real #1.''

Moya? :haha: :haha: :haha:

cmurray
10-14-2007, 09:11 PM
No I'm taking lessons from Blaze. :kiss:

The point is Nadal has a hard draw. But if he got through it in Wimby he should theoretically get through the draw in Madrid. If he can't then he shouldn't be #2.

I don't believe I ever said that he wouldn't get through the draw. I think Rafa is perfectly capable of getting through hard draws. I never "assume" he's going to lose. Wimbledon proves that this isn't true. Again, I was merely making the observation that Federer's draw seems a bit on the easy side. I didn't even make mention of Rafa except to say that some of the guys the guys that are capable of "putting Federer through his paces" so to speak, are all in Rafa's half of the draw. I never made mention of the difficulty of Nadal's draw at all.

Allure
10-14-2007, 09:12 PM
Soderling isn't a great grass courter and almost won.
Youzhny was injured.
Berdych was bothered by the wind.
Fakervic was injured too.
Match-up issue.



Moya? :haha: :haha: :haha:

They are quite close. Maybe Nadal will feel compelled to give Moya a game or two. ;)

cmurray
10-14-2007, 09:15 PM
Soderling isn't a great grass courter and almost won.
Youzhny was injured.
Berdych was bothered by the wind.
Fakervic was injured too.
Match-up issue.



Moya? :haha: :haha: :haha:

That DAMNED partisan wind. How DARE it only bother Berdych. :mad:

Of all the idiotic arguments you've ever made, that has to be the stupidest. Pretty damned funny, actually. Thanks for the laugh.

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2007, 09:37 PM
That DAMNED partisan wind. How DARE it only bother Berdych. :mad:

Of all the idiotic arguments you've ever made, that has to be the stupidest. Pretty damned funny, actually. Thanks for the laugh.

If you don't agree you're wrong. Those arguments are all facts.

rocketassist
10-14-2007, 10:03 PM
The wind was just an excuse by Berdych to cover up his own lame lack of fight, effort and heart shown in that match.

Nadal had it easy after the first set.

cmurray
10-14-2007, 10:05 PM
If you don't agree you're wrong. Those arguments are all facts.

Yes. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong. My son often feels the same way. He's 5.

guga2120
10-14-2007, 10:35 PM
Soderling isn't a great grass courter and almost won.
Youzhny was injured.
Berdych was bothered by the wind.
Fakervic was injured too.
Match-up issue.
:retard:

GlennMirnyi
10-15-2007, 12:36 AM
Yes. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong. My son often feels the same way. He's 5.

Wow, your son is already more intelligent than you? That says a lot. To you. :p ;)

cmurray
10-15-2007, 12:43 AM
Wow, your son is already more intelligent than you? That says a lot. To you. :p ;)

:haha: Yep. You two would get along GREAT. You want to come over for a playdate? He REALLY likes to play super hero dress up, so bring your Batman costume.

And he is quite smart for a 5 year old. He still hits sometimes though. Hope you won't mind. :angel:

GlennMirnyi
10-15-2007, 12:47 AM
:haha: Yep. You two would get along GREAT. You want to come over for a playdate? He REALLY likes to play super hero dress up, so bring your Batman costume.

And he is quite smart for a 5 year old. He still hits sometimes though. Hope you won't mind. :angel:

I'll bring a Federer costume for him. :p

Tzar
10-15-2007, 12:47 AM
N A L B A N D I A N

B U M P

GlennMirnyi
10-15-2007, 12:49 AM
WTF? Have you been smoking kiddo?

cmurray
10-15-2007, 12:53 AM
I'll bring a Federer costume for him. :p

NEVER!!!

:haha:

You'd have a better chance getting in my house dressed as Thunder Lips. Except THAT would probably scare my son. No. You better stick with Batman.

GlennMirnyi
10-15-2007, 12:55 AM
NEVER!!!

:haha:

You'd have a better chance getting in my house dressed as Thunder Lips. Except THAT would probably scare my son. No. You better stick with Batman.

Sampras costume then. :D

Johnny Groove
10-15-2007, 12:58 AM
How about a Michael Jackson costume? Seems to be a bit of pedophilia in the air. A 21 yr old man wanting to hang out with a 5 year old? You tell me

cmurray
10-15-2007, 01:01 AM
Sampras costume then. :D

:lol:

Oh fine. :rolleyes: But you better have a good explanation for all the hair....

GlennMirnyi
10-15-2007, 01:08 AM
How about a Michael Jackson costume? Seems to be a bit of pedophilia in the air. A 21 yr old man wanting to hang out with a 5 year old? You tell me

I'm sure he knows more about tennis than you do. :D

:lol:

Oh fine. :rolleyes: But you better have a good explanation for all the hair....

No, he dresses like Sampras and wears a "GOAT" shirt. :D

Johnny Groove
10-15-2007, 01:10 AM
I'm sure he knows more about tennis than you do. :D

What an original comment from you!!! :retard:

GlennMirnyi
10-15-2007, 01:13 AM
What an original comment from you!!! :retard:

My comments are always original, thanks for pointing it - it's general knowledge now, though.

cmurray
10-15-2007, 01:14 AM
I'm sure he knows more about tennis than you do. :D



No, he dresses like Sampras and wears a "GOAT" shirt. :D

:lol: I dunno. He IS a Murray and Nadal fan. ;) Maybe if you told him it was Andy Murray.....

GlennMirnyi
10-15-2007, 01:20 AM
:lol: I dunno. He IS a Murray and Nadal fan. ;) Maybe if you told him it was Andy Murray.....

He's still young, there's still a way to instill good taste in him.

cmurray
10-15-2007, 01:25 AM
He's still young, there's still a way to instill good taste in him.

Are kidding me? The kid has EXQUISITE taste. Notice that he doesn't like Roddick...

Marek.
10-15-2007, 01:27 AM
Are kidding me? The kid has EXQUISITE taste. Notice that he doesn't like Roddick...

:mad: :o

GlennMirnyi
10-15-2007, 01:28 AM
Are kidding me? The kid has EXQUISITE taste. Notice that he doesn't like Roddick...

It's a start. Now it's time to show other players with ugly games: Nadal and Fakervic. :D

cmurray
10-15-2007, 01:33 AM
It's a start. Now it's time to show other players with ugly games: Nadal and Fakervic. :D

Please. We don't allow him to watch Djokobitch - as a parent I feel its important to teach my children NOT to cheat. :angel:

GlennMirnyi
10-15-2007, 01:34 AM
Please. We don't allow him to watch Djokobitch - as a parent I feel its important to teach my children NOT to cheat. :angel:

:worship:

That's a good first step in good parenting. :hatoff:

Or show that as an example of what NOT TO DO when playing a sport. ;)

cmurray
10-15-2007, 01:38 AM
:worship:

That's a good first step in good parenting. :hatoff:

Or show that as an example of what NOT TO DO when playing a sport. ;)

:p

Is this the first civil conversation we've ever had? :confused: Quick. Insult me.

GlennMirnyi
10-15-2007, 01:39 AM
:p

Is this the first civil conversation we've ever had? :confused: Quick. Insult me.

Mug moonballer-lover! :p

Anything else? :p ;)

cmurray
10-15-2007, 01:46 AM
Mug moonballer-lover! :p

Anything else? :p ;)

Whew. Thanks. I was getting scared there for a minute. ;)

Tzar
10-15-2007, 02:00 AM
Nalbandian chances of defeating Clement?

VolandriFan
10-15-2007, 02:37 AM
Robredo has a big chance over Berdych and is still a charge to Shanghai. The last two positions are really up for a battle.

knight_ley
10-15-2007, 02:57 AM
Vamos Pics & Kiwi!

Dimonator133
10-15-2007, 05:44 AM
wow what a tournament. gonna be a fun week.:woohoo:





draw analysis and predictions (http://www.protennisblog.com/2.html)

trixtah
10-15-2007, 05:47 AM
woohoo 2am tonight on ttc baby. Master Series > School

Dimonator133
10-15-2007, 06:09 AM
for me it says 4:56 AM (Eastern)

trixtah
10-15-2007, 06:21 AM
for me it says 4:56 AM (Eastern)

yep, I'm on the West Coast =D

Dimonator133
10-15-2007, 06:28 AM
match thoughts (http://protennisblog.blogspot.com/) (and man there are some great first-rounders and plenty of great potential second and third-rounders) -- just Steppy-Murray and JuanMon-Igor so far.

Safin_Lova
10-15-2007, 08:34 AM
hope its a good tournament

Xristos
10-15-2007, 08:54 AM
Finallllllly!!

Masters series is back!

trixtah
10-15-2007, 10:14 AM
blah, shame I have to sleep. Andreev and Monaco are having a great match :(

zcess81
10-15-2007, 10:38 AM
There's a lot of Nadal and Djokovic bashing going on here. Some suggested that Nadal has to win this this tournament to get the respect??? What the hell??? That man does NOT need to prove anything to anyone after what he has achieved so far in his career. He's won more than more most tennis players can dream of and I'm not only talking about his success on clay. He's a solid hard court player and, as we've seen for the last 2 years in a row, good grass court player too. You don't need to be a professional tennis player to appreciate his skills. I think that most people here that criticize him have never picked up a tennis racket in their entire lives. The man has mental strength of steel and his willingness to win is simply amazing. Learn the facts before you make stupid comments as "he needs to win in order to get respect"

Now as far as djokovic goes, many people have labeled him as a choker based on his USO final. Ok, I admit, and even he did, that the occasion and the name "Federer" got the better of him IN THAT PARTICULAR MATCH. So you can say that he choked in that match, but to label him as a choker is unfair to say the least. Everyone chokes every now and then. As far as I can remember Federer choked AGAINST Novak in Montreal. Remember the 1st set??? The exact situation as in USO, so you could say that Federer choked in that match too. He also choked at the French open final against Nadal. That is also true. But to label him as a choker??? That is just plain stupid!

R.Federer
10-15-2007, 04:28 PM
Pretending he's injured so he can stay home and continue to decorate every room in his house with pictures of the Davis Cup

Ouch, funny but mean :devil:

R.Federer
10-15-2007, 04:35 PM
woohoo 2am tonight on ttc baby. Master Series > School
:lol:

Every parent's dream

FedFan_2007
10-15-2007, 04:58 PM
Federer will be ready for that match, if it happens.

Wasn't he ready for the Miami and went down in flames?

Dimonator133
10-15-2007, 05:17 PM
Willy needs to get past Blogger first, no guarantee, in fact probable loss


but let's hope he does, because Willy-Fed III would be enticing

groundstroke
10-15-2007, 05:18 PM
Federer seeking revenge. Not something you see everyday. Oh well.

R.Federer
10-15-2007, 05:24 PM
Federer seeking revenge. Not something you see everyday. Oh well.

Hard to think of a person who's won 3 out of 4 of the slams, is No.1 in the seedings, No.1 in the race, care too much about a few losses earlier in the year.

ReturnWinner
10-15-2007, 05:51 PM
Why Roddick is not playing Madrid?? preserving himself for Davis cup final?

rofe
10-15-2007, 05:57 PM
Why Roddick is not playing Madrid?? preserving himself for Davis cup final?

Didn't you know? Roddick is a mug.

cmurray
10-15-2007, 06:32 PM
This is a valid question. Why DOESN'T Roddick play in the fall ever? I would think the surface in Madrid would compliment his game. It seems like the duck doesn't like Europe......

R.Federer
10-15-2007, 06:38 PM
Maybe he suffers year end burnout faster than others given his style of game.

I would bet that if he was in a last minute tussle for Shanghai (which, as undecided as it is, still has him almost surely going) he would have gone.

All players take time off. Nadal did, Federe did, and Andy is doing so at a different time.

cmurray
10-15-2007, 06:40 PM
Maybe he suffers year end burnout faster than others given his style of game.

I would bet that if he was in a last minute tussle for Shanghai (which, as undecided as it is, still has him almost surely going) he would have gone.

All players take time off. Nadal did, Federe did, and Andy is doing so at a different time.

Didn't Andy take the clay season off too? How many masters has he actually shown up for this year?

R.Federer
10-15-2007, 06:46 PM
Didn't Andy take the clay season off too? How many masters has he actually shown up for this year?
He showed up at 5, that's pretty good I think.

He has played 17 tournaments, Nadal 16. So it's not like Roddick has been off more. Only Federer has lazed out -- played 12 :lol:

Sunset of Age
10-15-2007, 06:51 PM
Hard to think of a person who's won 3 out of 4 of the slams, is No.1 in the seedings, No.1 in the race, care too much about a few losses earlier in the year.

Indeed. And by the way, where has Cañas been, lately? :lol:

R.Federer
10-15-2007, 06:53 PM
Indeed. And by the way, where has Cañas been, lately? :lol:
He's had a tough season, I don't know what happened after the Well Start Willy season. I thought he was going to have a great clay season, didn't happen. I thought he was going to repeat on the hard courts, didn't happen. Maybe he will end the year like he started it :shrug:

How was your romantic holiday? :inlove: Those pictures are awesome (even the incidental ones of nature and scenery ..... ;) )

cmurray
10-15-2007, 06:56 PM
He showed up at 5, that's pretty good I think.

He has played 17 tournaments, Nadal 16. So it's not like Roddick has been off more. Only Federer has lazed out -- played 12 :lol:

Okay...I know

Indian Wells
Miami
Montreal
Cincy

What's the other one? I'm really curious - I'm not trying to be a jerk.

Sunset of Age
10-15-2007, 07:00 PM
He's had a tough season, I don't know what happened after the Well Start Willy season. I thought he was going to have a great clay season, didn't happen. I thought he was going to repeat on the hard courts, didn't happen. Maybe he will end the year like he started it :shrug:

I get this impression that it's exactly like Roger said: the guy was on a roll for a while - when he bumped into Fed and beat him twice - but it didn't last, just like Fed seemed to be expecting at that time. :cool:
And for which he was rewarded with quite a few of those 'arrogant' accusations, once again... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

How was your romantic holiday? :inlove: Those pictures are awesome (even the incidental ones of nature and scenery ..... ;) )

WOW, just WOW. Still recovering from the flight back to BananaLand (The Netherlands, that is), 24-hour sleep deprivation for now and still I don't feel tired at all. Ron's on the plane back to Tel Aviv right now, he just called me before boarding. Be sure, we'll be posting some fine piccies soon! :D :D :D

Dimonator133
10-15-2007, 07:06 PM
He's had a tough season, I don't know what happened after the Well Start Willy season. I thought he was going to have a great clay season, didn't happen. I thought he was going to repeat on the hard courts, didn't happen. Maybe he will end the year like he started it :shrug:

How was your romantic holiday? :inlove: Those pictures are awesome (even the incidental ones of nature and scenery ..... ;) )


I mean he's playing about as he should be I think. He's 29, he' more of a clay-courter, etc. If his unreal Spring had never happened, we'd be talking about his current form as being right about where it should be - he just set a ridiculous high standard with his shockingly immediate and huge success following suspension.

I mean he had a solid French, he played Hewitt tough at Wimbledon (where he was the heavy underdog) he ran into a buzzsaw in Mathieu in Natti, and he lost to Lee at the Open, another match where I considered him the underdog. Then last week he loses to JCF in a thriller. IMO, that's about right on par, maybe a little bit below since he could have pulled off at least one of Hewitt/Mathieu/Lee/JCF. We're just holding him -- which is fair, just unrealistic - to an unreal high standard.

keep plugging, WILLY!