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American men's tennis in serious lull

Eden
10-13-2007, 01:29 PM
American men's tennis in serious lull
Matthew Cronin
Special to FOXSports.com

With the season-ending Tennis Masters Cup Shanghai just over a month away, U.S. men's tennis has hit a major impasse as the current generation of veterans struggle to stay relevant.

Top-ranked Roger Federer has already run away with the title of Greatest Player of his Generation; three-time French Open champion Rafael Nadal is a clear No. 2; and this year, Serbian sensation Novak Djokovic has definitively seized the No. 3 spot, reaching the U.S. Open final as well as the French and Wimbledon semis.
Where does that leave this generation of mid-20s Americans ó Andy Roddick, James Blake, Mardy Fish and Robby Ginepri? It leaves Roddick and Blake hoping to win their first Davis Cup title in the final against Russia at the end of November, and Fish and Ginepri trying to up their ranking before the season ends and gain some momentum going into 2008, as neither of them is on the U.S. Davis Cup squad.

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Roger Federer's gains have come at the expense of Andy Roddick and other U.S. players. So when are the Americans going to make a comeback? (DEAN TREML / Getty Images)

"The thing about Roger is he's cemented himself as such a dominant player and he's not giving anything away," Fish told FOXSports.com. "When you go out and play Nadal off clay, he's had some losses that (have) been a little eye opening. He's cemented himself as the No. 2 and is an unbelievable player, but he's lost to guys like Mikhail Youzhny, Tomas Berdych and Djokovic on hard courts, so you can walk on court and think, 'This is a match I can win. If I play my game, I can beat him.'

"With Roger, he's been so dominant that he doesn't give anybody that false sense of hope that they really have a shot. That's a big thing for him. There are some guys who feel like they can beat him, he is human, but he's been so dominant that if you see your name next to his on that line on the draw sheet you're not feeling so good about yourself."

There was hope that this group of Americans would pick up the torch when the greatest U.S. generation ever ó Pete Sampras, Andre Agassi, Jim Courier and Michael Chang ó retired one after another. But since Agassi won his last Grand Slam title at the 2003 Australian Open, only Roddick has been able to leave a stamp on the game when he won the 2003 U.S. Open and briefly became No. 1 in the world.

Then Federer began to take off; Nadal became a Bjorn Borg-like force on clay beginning in 2005; and now it's Djokovic ó not Roddick or Blake ó who managed to snare a win over Federer this year and scare him in the U.S. Open final. Roddick played possibly the two best sets of his life in a 7-6 (5), 7-6 (4), 6-2 loss to Federer in the U.S. Open quarterfinals. It was his 13th defeat in 14 matches against Federer.

"Tiebreakers are such crap shoots, but Roger seems to pick his game up and sees those little openings and he takes it every time," Fish said. "Nadal, Djokovic and Andy think they can beat him. Andy has played him close and if Roger is just a little off, Andy can win that match. James thinks so, too. But Roger has been so dominant, he just squashes all hope."

The United States hasn't had a man in the winner's circle in the last 16 Grand Slams, its worst drought since the mid-1980s, when Ivan Lendl, Mats Wilander, Boris Becker and Stefan Edberg grabbed the reigns of the Tour away from John McEnroe and Jimmy Connors. It wasn't until Chang won the French Open in 1989 that an American became relevant again.

The country is in much the same shape now, with the Europeans dominating and the Americans, Australians and, of course, British, only feeding on table scraps.

Very soon, U.S. tennis fans may stop looking at Roddick's generation as the group that can fight off Federer and begin considering whether the new trio of young Americans ó serving demons Sam Querrey and John Isner and the soft-handed Donald Young ó have major titles in them. It's still too early to tell whether any of them can eventually become top 10 players, but it's pretty clear that at this point, none of them has shown a pattern that you often see from the all-time greats ó making a huge impression at a Grand Slam early in their pro careers.

Each of those three players needs a year or two of further seasoning, which leaves it up to Roddick, Blake, Fish and Ginepri to hold the fort down for at least another Slam cycle. The ultra-competitive Roddick has made substantial strides in his game over the past year and a half under his coach, Connors, but with each passing Grand Slam, he's looking less and less like a guy who has enough athleticism and technical ability to put together another run at No. 1. The 26-year-old Blake, who is attempting to defend his title in Stockholm this week, is one of the most mentally troubled elite players of the past decade when it comes to the majors. His best finish at a Grand Slam is a quarterfinal appearance at the U.S. Open (2005 and '06). Ginepri, a former top 20 player who reached the U.S. Open semifinals in 2005, seems completely lost.

And Fish, an Olympic silver medalist who reached a career high No. 17 in 2004, feels like he's playing his best tennis of the year, but isn't sure that anyone on the planet can stop Federer's march to breaking Pete Sampras' all-time record of 14 Grand Slam titles if the Swiss stays healthy. Fish says that he and his close American friends will keep taking cuts at the god-like Federer, but he doesn't sound convinced that another cycle of U.S. pre-eminence is just around the corner.

"It's amazing," said the 25-year-old Fish. "Roger and I are the same age. I feel like with the Americans, we are only going to get better and smarter because it's not like we are playing football and our bodies are falling apart because we're getting tackled. You just have to keep it going and see if Roger slips up and gets a little nicked up like everyone else does. He never gets injured and he picks his spots as to when he's training and when he takes time off perfectly. It's amazing. I don't know how he does it."

Source: http://msn.foxsports.com/tennis/story/7324400?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=199

JustJames
10-13-2007, 01:51 PM
and of course, British

:lol:

What can I say? :shrug: Nilch... It has become a given that GB can't compete.. :sad:

Mike Kim
10-13-2007, 02:26 PM
Same problem as England in America I think. Kids aren't hungry and dedicated enough, nothing at all to do with the system. The system is there and doing the job well, but what can you do with gutless and under motivated kids :shrug: No country can make players out of kids like that, but on the other hand, dedicated and motivated players who don't have as much talent can make it :)

ezekiel
10-13-2007, 02:33 PM
who cares?
America is in bigger @##2 than just tennis and tennis should survive without it , atp should really switch to euros since the dollar is constantly falling, even canadian loonie is above it now

DrJules
10-13-2007, 03:05 PM
If the USA thinks having 2 players in the top 10 is a serious lull then nearly every country in the world except Switerland and Spain have problems.

Britain has gone without a GS champion for over 70 years.:eek: :eek:

How would the USA cope with that!!

tangerine_dream
10-13-2007, 06:52 PM
I knew a Fedtard would post this in GM. :lol:

njnetswill
10-13-2007, 07:01 PM
Is the Canadian dollar seriously worth more than the US dollar now? :eek: :confused: :unsure:

stebs
10-13-2007, 07:02 PM
I knew a Fedtard would post this in GM. :lol:

I think the Fedtard probably anticipated a reply from you as well. :lol:

Burrow
10-13-2007, 07:13 PM
Same problem as England in America I think. Kids aren't hungry and dedicated enough, nothing at all to do with the system. The system is there and doing the job well, but what can you do with gutless and under motivated kids :shrug: No country can make players out of kids like that, but on the other hand, dedicated and motivated players who don't have as much talent can make it :)

The LTA system has been proven absolute BS so you are totally wrong.

Marek.
10-13-2007, 07:33 PM
I knew a Fedtard would post this in GM. :lol:

:rolleyes: Eden's one of the fairest posters on this forum.

DrJules
10-13-2007, 07:36 PM
I knew a Fedtard would post this in GM. :lol:

And the article was written by an American.:p

Allure
10-13-2007, 07:46 PM
I think the Fedtard probably anticipated a reply from you as well. :lol:

:lol: If it's something that bashes American players or Roddick, it's from a Fedtard.

tangerine_dream
10-13-2007, 07:52 PM
:rolleyes: Eden's one of the fairest posters on this forum.
Since when did Eden care about American tennis? She doesn't. But she does like the fact that American tennis is "in a lull" due to Federer's greatness. I'll bet Mirkaland's still masturbating over this article which is why she didn't post it first. :lol:

And the article was written by an American.:p
I like Cronin's articles but this one surprised me simply because the "American tennis is dead" angel is so overused, and not entirely accurate. Still, hearing it from Cronin is better than one of those British or Canadian writers complaining about American tennis. And how many years has it been since they produced a winner? :p

DrJules
10-13-2007, 07:58 PM
If the USA thinks having 2 players in the top 10 is a serious lull then nearly every country in the world except Switerland and Spain have problems.

Britain has gone without a GS champion for over 70 years.:eek: :eek:

How would the USA cope with that!!

Since when did Eden care about American tennis? She doesn't. But she does like the fact that American tennis is "in a lull" due to Federer's greatness. I'll bet Mirkaland's still masturbating over this article which is why she didn't post it first. :lol:


I like Cronin's articles but this one surprised me simply because the "American tennis is dead" angel is so overused, and not entirely accurate. Still, hearing it from Cronin is better than one of those British or Canadian writers complaining about American tennis. And how many years has it been since they produced a winner? :p

As stated earlier.

stebs
10-13-2007, 08:15 PM
Since when did Eden care about American tennis? She doesn't. But she does like the fact that American tennis is "in a lull" due to Federer's greatness.

I wouldn't expect any less from you but this is still a funny post and it shows how clueless you are. Of course everyone hates American tennis players and it's not posted for interest. Anyone who has even cheered Federer in a tennis match is sitting behind their computers laughing manically at the serious lull.

Get a clue.

BlueSwan
10-13-2007, 08:27 PM
Ridiculous.

American tennis is not in a lull. Having two players regularly hanging around the top 5 is not bad by any means. Sure, the US had a great generation with Sampras/Agassi/Courier/Chang, but that was remarkable in itself, not something to be taken for granted. The US won't ever have another generation like that, so they might as well enjoy Roddick and Blake while they're around - the next generation might very well be worse.

Allure
10-13-2007, 08:54 PM
Ridiculous.

American tennis is not in a lull. Having two players regularly hanging around the top 5 is not bad by any means. Sure, the US had a great generation with Sampras/Agassi/Courier/Chang, but that was remarkable in itself, not something to be taken for granted. The US won't ever have another generation like that, so they might as well enjoy Roddick and Blake while they're around - the next generation might very well be worse.

Worse than mindless ballbashing and all serve? :spit:

rocketassist
10-13-2007, 09:08 PM
The problem with US tennis is that the youngsters are taught only to serve big and just ballbash hard. Donald Young is the only American 'touch' player at the moment.

Also adding that the current US era apart from Andy Roddick (who is as mentally tough as anyone) are set of chokers and mugs.

Sjengster
10-13-2007, 09:14 PM
It's amazing that tangerine can even drag herself to the computer to post her daily dribble with the size of that chip on her shoulder about anti-Americanism.

Allure
10-13-2007, 09:19 PM
It's amazing that tangerine can even drag herself to the computer to post her daily dribble with the size of that chip on her shoulder about anti-Americanism.

Is Tangy even American? (seeing as she support the US DC team and typically roots for American players)

Eden
10-13-2007, 10:29 PM
Since when did Eden care about American tennis? She doesn't. But she does like the fact that American tennis is "in a lull" due to Federer's greatness.

Itís new to me that you know me so well that you can accuse me of something like this. Show me any post of me in which I have bashed any American player or American tennis itself.
I just wanted to post that article as I thought it would fit into a tennis message board. I didnít knew that there are rules which users are allowed to post certain articles. If you have paid attention you would have discovered other tennis relating articles which I have posted on GM or in the players forums, no matter if Iím a fan of the player or not. Yes, Roger is my favourite player, but that doesnít mean that I donít respect the achievements of other players or have to bash them just to make look Roger better.

Bilbo
10-13-2007, 11:08 PM
Since when did Eden care about American tennis?

Since when do you care for international tennis? :rolleyes:

jcempire
10-13-2007, 11:31 PM
Is the Canadian dollar seriously worth more than the US dollar now? :eek: :confused: :unsure:

Yes,

But Does it have nothing to do with American tennis???? :confused:

leng jai
10-14-2007, 12:05 AM
Shutup tangerine_dream you mug.

Whats the word to describe Australia tennis then? Mug tennis?

euroka1
10-14-2007, 01:25 AM
Nobody really cares much about American tennis anymore. Look at the rest of GM. The excitement is elsewhere.

Merton
10-14-2007, 01:29 AM
So what? Tennis is an international game and it is not realistic to expect a generation as strong as Sampras/Agassi/Courier/Chang. It is normal, some write as if it is a given that US should dominate tennis and it is some kind of an upset or surprise that it does not.

Allure
10-14-2007, 02:07 AM
So what? Tennis is an international game and it is not realistic to expect a generation as strong as Sampras/Agassi/Courier/Chang. It is normal, some write as if it is a given that US should dominate tennis and it is some kind of an upset or surprise that it does not.

Duh. Because Americans are the best. We dominate every sport. Golf, basketball, football, etc.

njnetswill
10-14-2007, 02:50 AM
Yes,

But Does it have nothing to do with American tennis???? :confused:

I was responding to Ezekiel's post. :lol:

Anyway, American tennis is only in a lull compared to the dominance it has shown in the past. Americans just need to learn to appreciate talent and characters from all over the globe.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-14-2007, 03:44 AM
Is the Canadian dollar seriously worth more than the US dollar now? :eek: :confused: :unsure:

Damm right.

Arrogant America is falling just like Arrogant Federer will fall.

mangoes
10-14-2007, 03:52 AM
Itís new to me that you know me so well that you can accuse me of something like this. Show me any post of me in which I have bashed any American player or American tennis itself.
I just wanted to post that article as I thought it would fit into a tennis message board. I didnít knew that there are rules which users are allowed to post certain articles. If you have paid attention you would have discovered other tennis relating articles which I have posted on GM or in the players forums, no matter if Iím a fan of the player or not. Yes, Roger is my favourite player, but that doesnít mean that I donít respect the achievements of other players or have to bash them just to make look Roger better.

Eden:hug: :hug: :hug:


I thought it was an interesting article. Sadly, the US expected another repeat of the Sampras/Agassi/Chang/Courier era........and such wasn't the case. Personally, I hope that we have some strong US Players in the next generation, but I'm not too excited with the newbies we have on the horizon. They seem like nice guys, but I don't care for their games. Admittedly, I'm a bit excited about D Young's potential with his game. I don't think we're in such a "lull" with Roddick and Blake. But, maybe looking toward the future, there is need for concern.

Alex999
10-14-2007, 03:52 AM
Damm right.

Arrogant America is falling just like Arrogant Federer will fall.

You are funny :clap2:

njnetswill
10-14-2007, 03:58 AM
Canadians are cooler people anyway. Now I have more reason to move there. :banana: :lol:

anny12
10-14-2007, 06:17 AM
Apart from Davis Cup, why does it matter which country a player comes from? Yes, I am american and Roddick is my favorite player but it has nothing to do with the fact that he's american. Nadal is my second favorite player but i'm not spanish.

Allure
10-14-2007, 06:41 AM
Apart from Davis Cup, why does it matter which country a player comes from? Yes, I am american and Roddick is my favorite player but it has nothing to do with the fact that he's american. Nadal is my second favorite player but i'm not spanish.

I think you just like ugly tennis.

Action Jackson
10-14-2007, 08:02 AM
Good to see tangerinus the xenophobe is up to her tricks again. I am glad she didn't disappoint this time around.

Competition is tough for the Arse Clown Contest this season.

jayjay
10-14-2007, 11:45 AM
Itís new to me that you know me so well that you can accuse me of something like this. Show me any post of me in which I have bashed any American player or American tennis itself.
I just wanted to post that article as I thought it would fit into a tennis message board. I didnít knew that there are rules which users are allowed to post certain articles. If you have paid attention you would have discovered other tennis relating articles which I have posted on GM or in the players forums, no matter if Iím a fan of the player or not. Yes, Roger is my favourite player, but that doesnít mean that I donít respect the achievements of other players or have to bash them just to make look Roger better.

I wonder how many people who couldn't give a toss about America either way were inclined to become Anti-American after being lazily accused of being so? My guess is many.

One thing I've learnt during my time on MTF is that it's impossible to make a comment on anything American in even the slightest negative light (even when the comment can be evidenced by facts) without someone going for the whole "Anti-American" BS.

Keep posting articles you think will be of interest to the mass readership, Eden. Many of us appreciate it you anti-american you. :yeah:

bokehlicious
10-14-2007, 11:56 AM
I think the Fedtard probably anticipated a reply from you as well. :lol:

Could have bet that Tangerine Tard couldn't help posting her crap on here :cool:

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-14-2007, 03:30 PM
Canadians are cooler people anyway. Now I have more reason to move there. :banana: :lol:

:worship:

Dude if you have a choice why live in the US. Move to Canada, the world doesnt hate us, we have a much better economy and much less racism.

jcempire
10-14-2007, 03:32 PM
Damm right.

Arrogant America is falling just like Arrogant Federer will fall.

LOL :wavey:

Eden
10-14-2007, 07:38 PM
American tennis is not in a lull. Having two players regularly hanging around the top 5 is not bad by any means. Sure, the US had a great generation with Sampras/Agassi/Courier/Chang, but that was remarkable in itself, not something to be taken for granted. The US won't ever have another generation like that, so they might as well enjoy Roddick and Blake while they're around - the next generation might very well be worse.

Replace the names Sampras and Agassi with Becker and Stich and you get the same situation as we had in Germany after our best players had retired. Haas and Kiefer were in the top 10 (Haas at no 2 and Kiefer at no 4), but the media was waiting for a GS title.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-14-2007, 08:23 PM
Good to see tangerinus the xenophobe is up to her tricks again. I am glad she didn't disappoint this time around.

Competition is tough for the Arse Clown Contest this season.

Escude has got the competition beat.

World Beater
10-15-2007, 12:06 AM
Replace the names Sampras and Agassi with Becker and Stich and you get the same situation as we had in Germany after our best players had retired. Haas and Kiefer were in the top 10 (Haas at no 2 and Kiefer at no 4), but the media was waiting for a GS title.

in a few years time, we will hear how american tennis sucked compared to when we had roddick and blake.:rolleyes:

DrJules
10-15-2007, 12:15 AM
Good to see tangerinus the xenophobe is up to her tricks again. I am glad she didn't disappoint this time around.

Competition is tough for the Arse Clown Contest this season.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Why did you change your username? I much preferred GeorgeWHitler.

R.Federer
10-15-2007, 05:42 PM
Nice article, thanks for posting.

The only reason this article is written about the US players is because of the standards the Sampras/Agassi and to some extent Courier/Chang (and to a lesser extent World Number 4 Brad Gilbert :lol: ) set. The US players are doing fine -- not much worse than any other country. You could write the same thing about Swedish players, who are doing fine but not as great as their predecessors.

If you measure success only in terms of slam titles, well what other country is doing great?? Not even Spain, with 3 in the last 15 slams sounds like a big badge of honour.

anny12
10-16-2007, 02:08 AM
I think you just like ugly tennis.
Haha, maybe. To each his own I guess :)

tangerine_dream
10-16-2007, 02:33 AM
Good to see tangerinus the xenophobe is up to her tricks again. I am glad she didn't disappoint this time around. Competition is tough for the Arse Clown Contest this season.
So says one of the most anti Euroethnic guys around here. :)

Could have bet that Tangerine Tard couldn't help posting her crap on here :cool:
Still trying to figure out how to pee standing up, Powerpuss?

Action Jackson
10-16-2007, 06:47 AM
So says one of the most anti Euroethnic guys around here. :)

Sweetcheeks, you were the one who called me a Nazi without any supporting evidence. Yes, you are a xenophobe and think everyone who isn't American or says something negative hates America, when it's not the case.

laure xxx
10-16-2007, 06:56 AM
Worse than mindless ballbashing and all serve? :spit:

Blake all serve :spit: Laughable.
Anyway, next generation of American tennis = John Isner and Sam Querrey. Roddick and Blake are champion doubles players compared to these tree-men.