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Not enough credit for Ljubo

Ljubo_rulz
10-11-2007, 05:23 PM
I still canít understand why the majority of the forum refuses to recognize the importance of Davis Cup. Apart from Grand Slam, it is the greatest achievement one can reach during career. It canít be compared to Masters, not even GS majors; Winning DC is something every player in the world is dreaming of. Roger Federer once said that winning Davis Cup is his greatest goal.

So, you must admit that this board doesnít give enough credit to players like Ljubo or Mario, and they definitely deserved it; they achieved something Federer and especially Djokovic never will.

So think about that when you next time start one of yours GOAT threads.

scoobs
10-11-2007, 05:25 PM
Davis Cup is nice to have.

It is not, in any stretch of the imagination, the main yardstick by which tennis greatness is evaluated.

That is the Grand Slams, and for someone with as much ability as Ljubicic, on that measure his record is appalling.

bokehlicious
10-11-2007, 05:28 PM
So think about that when you next time start one of yours GOAT threads.

Are you implying that Ljuba Truba should be put in the GOAT mix because of his DC win ? :confused:

Gosh, we reach a new level of tardism here... :cool:

RagingLamb
10-11-2007, 05:38 PM
sure winning DC is nice.

but there's something about it that just doesn't capture the imagination.
It's the fact that we're trying to create a team sport out of an individual sport, or maybe it's something else.

but for some reason, it's tough to embrace it. at least for me.

Ljubo_rulz
10-11-2007, 05:39 PM
Are you implying that Ljuba Truba should be put in the GOAT mix because of his DC win ?

No, I imply that player without DC win shouldn't be there.

Jaap
10-11-2007, 05:41 PM
He's a mug.

Hope this helps.

Corey Feldman
10-11-2007, 05:45 PM
He's a mug.

Hope this helps.:lol::lol:

bokehlicious
10-11-2007, 05:46 PM
No, I imply that player without DC win shouldn't be there.

DC is a team event. If Sampras (or Ljubo for the matter) came from, say, Liechtenstein, I wonder how he would have managed to win it... :scratch: :confused:

Deboogle!.
10-11-2007, 05:46 PM
No, I imply that player without DC win shouldn't be there.Your thread title is "not enough credit for Ljubo" - what does one thing have anything to do with the other? Ljubicic got plenty of credit for what he did in 2005 to win the Cup. Your opinion that people shouldn't be considered GOAT without a DC title is wholly irrelevant to the credit for Ljubicic gets for anything :lol:

Mateya
10-11-2007, 05:48 PM
Mugdatis, Muggay, Ljubo, Chela...

Is there a player who wasnt ever called a mug here?
Nadal is a clay mug :tape: and Federer a grass mug :tape:
:haha:

Corey Feldman
10-11-2007, 05:52 PM
You're a mug Matyaz.

Dimonator133
10-11-2007, 06:11 PM
Ljuber needs to "consolidate" if you will, or BACK UP, his DC performance with some solid GS results in order to make it seem like it wasn't a complete fluke. Other than that, Ljubicic has completely folded on the big stages.

and there's no reason to think he'll ever turn it around at the Majors

Blue Heart24
10-11-2007, 06:13 PM
Ljubo_rulz :yeah:

TheBoiledEgg
10-11-2007, 06:26 PM
he's nearly 30 and he's been to 2nd week of slams less times than i have fingers on 1 hand.

Jaap
10-11-2007, 06:29 PM
Mugdatis, Muggay, Ljubo, Chela...

Is there a player who wasnt ever called a mug here?
Nadal is a clay mug :tape: and Federer a grass mug :tape:
:haha:

AlMUGro is the best.

El Legenda
10-11-2007, 06:45 PM
Ljuber needs to "consolidate" if you will, or BACK UP, his DC performance with some solid GS results in order to make it seem like it wasn't a complete fluke. Other than that, Ljubicic has completely folded on the big stages.

and there's no reason to think he'll ever turn it around at the Majors

he did, after winning DC, next year he made it to QF and SF in AO and RG

El Legenda
10-11-2007, 06:46 PM
he's nearly 30 and he's been to 2nd week of slams less times than i have fingers on 1 hand.

he was 27 when the season started, i know you're in idiot, but for him to be nearly 30, he would need to be 29 now and 30 next month....:wavey:

Dimonator133
10-11-2007, 06:47 PM
he did, after winning DC, next year he made it to QF and SF in AO and RG


big deal, he was No. 3 in the world for quite some time. Those results mean nothing. SF of French was impressive, but that's it.

TheBoiledEgg
10-11-2007, 08:08 PM
he was 27 when the season started, i know you're in idiot, but for him to be nearly 30, he would need to be 29 now and 30 next month....:wavey:

big deal
he's past his sell by date :devil:

he's had his one shittler moment

AnnaK_4ever
10-11-2007, 08:30 PM
big deal
he's past his sell by date :devil:

he's had his one shittler moment

He must be the only Top-3 (or even Top-5?) player in history with negative win-loss record at Grand Slams.

Snowwy
10-12-2007, 02:45 AM
This poster is partly right though, Ljubicic does not get CLOSE to enough credit, 11 LIVE wins in 1 Davis Cup, thats insane, remarkable, unbelievable.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-12-2007, 02:50 AM
Lluboho sucks.

If you cant perform in Grand Slams you deserve no credit.

The bald loser is lucky to even make the 4th round most of the time.

Allure
10-12-2007, 03:07 AM
Ljubicic is a good player. I saw him play against Andy and I prefer his game over Roddick's. He just needs to do better in slams. I don't get why a lot of Roddick fans dislike him. It's not like Andy's game is much better.

GlennMirnyi
10-12-2007, 04:24 AM
You're a mug Matyaz.

Mugyaz.

he's nearly 30 and he's been to 2nd week of slams less times than i have fingers on 1 hand.

As most of your favorite players. What's your point?

AlMUGro is the best.

No doubt.

This poster is partly right though, Ljubicic does not get CLOSE to enough credit, 11 LIVE wins in 1 Davis Cup, thats insane, remarkable, unbelievable.

Very true. Some were astounding when they happened.

Deboogle!.
10-12-2007, 04:31 AM
This poster is partly right though, Ljubicic does not get CLOSE to enough credit, 11 LIVE wins in 1 Davis Cup, thats insane, remarkable, unbelievable.It was 2 years ago, how much credit is he still supposed to get. He gets plenty of credit for his accomplishment and he did at the time too, it was very impressive, but as many people have pointed out, for him to get more respect, he has to have more success in big events. :lol:
Ljubicic is a good player. I saw him play against Andy and I prefer his game over Roddick's. He just needs to do better in slams. I don't get why a lot of Roddick fans dislike him. It's not like Andy's game is much better.I'm not a fan of Ljubicic's personality, but I have no problem with his game (except perhaps his ugly forehand motion). I don't get why you're bringing up "roddick fans" in a completely irrelevant discussion. the thread is about Ljubicic getting credit for Davis Cup, what does Andy or his fans have to do with that at all :lol:

Allure
10-12-2007, 04:33 AM
It was 2 years ago, how much credit is he still supposed to get. He gets plenty of credit for his accomplishment and he did at the time too, it was very impressive, but as many people have pointed out, for him to get more respect, he has to have more success in big events. :lol:
I'm not a fan of Ljubicic's personality, but I have no problem with his game (except perhaps his ugly forehand motion). I don't get why you're bringing up "roddick fans" in a completely irrelevant discussion. the thread is about Ljubicic getting credit for Davis Cup, what does Andy or his fans have to do with that at all :lol:

Maybe because every thread where Ljubicic loses Tangerine_Dream and other Roddick fans are there calling him a mug and loser? :shrug:

Deboogle!.
10-12-2007, 04:54 AM
Maybe because every thread where Ljubicic loses Tangerine_Dream and other Roddick fans are there calling him a mug and loser? :shrug:So the actions of one mean the actions of all? The vast majority of Roddick fans have never done any such thing, and I'm sure we'd all appreciate being treated as individual human beings, thanks :)

El Legenda
10-12-2007, 04:59 AM
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Allure
10-12-2007, 05:05 AM
So the actions of one mean the actions of all? The vast majority of Roddick fans have never done any such thing, and I'm sure we'd all appreciate being treated as individual human beings, thanks :)

Nope as I sad TG and other Roddick fans. But I can understand why they don't like Ljuba and Ljuba fans don't really like Andy either.

GlennMirnyi
10-12-2007, 05:18 AM
Maybe because every thread where Ljubicic loses Tangerine_Dream and other Roddick fans are there calling him a mug and loser? :shrug:

Nope as I sad TG and other Roddick fans. But I can understand why they don't like Ljuba and Ljuba fans don't really like Andy either.

They hate him since he owned Roddick in 2005's DC. :lol:

Deboogle!.
10-12-2007, 05:19 AM
But which other fans? OH that's right none :lol: anyway, again, how was this relevant to the thread? Oh wait it wasn't :lol:They hate him since he owned Roddick in 2005's DC. :lol:It started way before that. Please learn your MTF hatred history before speaking.

GlennMirnyi
10-12-2007, 05:21 AM
It started way before that. Please learn your MTF hatred history before speaking.

The ones I know (and they are many) always say that.

Enligthen me then, dear. ;)

Action Jackson
10-12-2007, 05:25 AM
Gu, here is something you might enjoy reading.

http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=1019

Ivan Ljubicic

NEW YORK CITY, A. RODDICK/I. Ljubicic 6-3, 6-7, 6-3, 7-6

MODERATOR: Questions, please.

Q. It was a tough match. Do you feel like you could have come out with a better result?

IVAN LJUBICIC: Well, I think that anywhere in the world, except in the United States, if we played this match I won it.

Q. You feel --

IVAN LJUBICIC: No, I feel I don't. That's my opinion.

Q. Do you hold the umpire responsible?

IVAN LJUBICIC: Umpires, crowd. He's acting on the court and stuff like that.

Q. What did he do that you didn't like?

IVAN LJUBICIC: I mean, generally, I don't like him. I mean, not me, nobody in the locker room like his acting on the court. But that's not -- I mean, he's a good player. He's gonna win a lot of matches, but not because he's like that. It's just that we don't like it. Because nobody acts like that. He's the only one.

Q. He's in your face, isn't he?

IVAN LJUBICIC: It's -- he's just -- he doesn't respect the others, that's all what I can say. You know, it's not in your face or it's not in your face, doesn't matter. It's just that it's not -- well, some other player's going in your face and you understand that they just want to win a match. But what he's doing is just pumping up the crowd, which is, in the United States he can do it. But everywhere else, if he does it, the people smiled, you know. Just like that. Fortunately for him, there is like 70 percent of the big tournaments are playing in the States. He's No. 4 in the world for that.

Q. That's, obviously, very unfair for you?

IVAN LJUBICIC: I'm not looking at that. I'm just telling you the feeling of the guys in the locker room. Me, personally, I don't mind, really. I'm not looking at him when he's doing it.

Q. It affected the outcome of the match today?

IVAN LJUBICIC: Well, it affected the linesmen, it affect the crowd. It affected everyone else except me. It's enough usually. In the match like this, that's what it's make the change.

Q. Did you say anything to him at the end?

IVAN LJUBICIC: No. I said, again, I have nothing against him. I'm just saying that that's my opinion. He can do it. I can do whatever I want also on the court. It's just the way he does it. I mean, it's opinion of the players. I'm saying. It's -- some players are also trying to make you mad on the court. They're trying to tell you bad words, you know, just to try to take your mind away from the game, which is also part of the game, obviously, you know. In the end, we still shake the hands and there is nothing to say about it. We try everything what we can to win a match.

Q. When you say it affects the linesman, do you mean particularly at 7-6, breakpoint in the fourth set?

IVAN LJUBICIC: That was the crucial point, obviously. I am expecting some bad calls. But, you know, it hurts when it happens in the crucial moment like that. You know, if he hits the forehand and before the ball bounce on the ground, he said, "Yes," for the linesman, it's really difficult to call that ball, you know. Obviously, the chair umpire is on the far side of the line. He's not gonna call it for sure.

Q. You think he has that much influence on the linesman?

IVAN LJUBICIC: For sure. Not only him.

Q. When you say the other players feel this, have people said anything to him in the locker room about it?

IVAN LJUBICIC: No. It's just that every single player said to me, "Good luck. Kick his ass. We can't see him," things like that.

Q. Is there anything that can be done about it?

IVAN LJUBICIC: No. There's nothing to be done about it. I am telling you, in the past I'm sure there were lot worst players than him. It's part of the game. It's just that we don't like it. There's nothing to do about it. It's not like we don't like it so we have to change it. No, it's him. We don't like him, but who cares.

Q. There's nothing that can be done with the US Open or anywhere?

IVAN LJUBICIC: No. I'm telling you, it's a part of the game. It's not like it's breaking some rules or something. It's just that people don't like it. I mean, if you -- I don't know, you don't like Dunkin' Doughnuts, you have to do something about it? No, you don't like it. Just don't go there. That's it.

Q. Do you think it goes against the spirit of how the game should be played?

IVAN LJUBICIC: Well, obviously, it's -- I'm repeating. He's the only one who is doing it. Obviously, there is something not wrong, but something different. Maybe its good for the game. I'm not saying that it's bad. For sure, we need some -- something different in a game. Because, obviously, we need some interesting guys out there, you know. But you can be interesting also in the positive way.

Q. But it's not very sporting, is it?

IVAN LJUBICIC: I mean... That's -- I mean, in the end, he won. Well done. Doesn't matter what he did to do it - in the end. Obviously, if he gets the warning, if he gets the penalty point, he gets kicked out of the court because of that, I mean, we can discuss it. But it's nothing out of the rules.

Q. Is it like playing a big football match, playing a big football team at home, and you can expect they're gonna get their...

IVAN LJUBICIC: Yeah, something like that, yeah.

Q. You fell on the ground on the 7-6 point to express your feelings, but you really didn't say anything to the umpire.

IVAN LJUBICIC: What can I say? If he's gonna change it, he's gonna change it straight away. If he's not changing it in the next one, two seconds, you can talk all night. He's not gonna change it. Doesn't make any sense to lose the energy for that.

Q. How well would you say you executed your game plan tonight?

IVAN LJUBICIC: Well, I started pretty bad. Just I think those -- I played two bad games, which is the break in the first and in the third. Except that, I'm satisfied how I played, and maybe I could use my serve little better in the first set. But generally, looking, I still had the chance to win the fourth and to go on maybe to win whole match. So I really can't say that I'm not satisfied with my game. Obviously, it's not enough. You know, you cannot be happy because you lost. You can be satisfied with the game, maybe. But you always feel that you could do something, something more.

Deboogle!.
10-12-2007, 05:27 AM
GWH You should know better than to only post one part of many relevant parts :)

Action Jackson
10-12-2007, 05:27 AM
That was what started it.

Allure
10-12-2007, 05:29 AM
They hate him since he owned Roddick in 2005's DC. :lol:

I know of the incident where Ljubicic didn't like how the American crowd was cheering for Andy and he said something in the press conference. Roddick called Ivan at night when he was in the hotel room and I guess they are cool now. Their fans still hate each other though. :lol:

Action Jackson
10-12-2007, 05:30 AM
This was after Roddick telephoned him.

http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=1018
August 30, 2003


Ivan Ljubicic

NEW YORK CITY

THE MODERATOR: Questions.

Q. Did you keep your hotel phone off the hook?

IVAN LJUBICIC: I could, yeah. That is an option (laughter). I was surprised. I was surprised by Andy's call last night. It was pretty late.

Q. Can you tell us exactly what he said?

IVAN LJUBICIC: Well, it was long, long talk, so I can't tell you exactly what he says. But he wanted to hear from me what was all about. He thought that I have some problems with him personally, so he asked me in the future to tell him first instead of going out to the press. I responded that I have nothing personal against him. So we argued what I said here and other things, obviously. Everything ended pretty normal as we are.

Q. Do you think you owed him an apology or not?

IVAN LJUBICIC: I really feel that I didn't say anything bad about him as a person. So he didn't ask apology, and I didn't feel like doing it. I'm telling you, we cleared the things. We talked last night, and I told him this morning, he came -- I ask if everything okay. He said it's fine. Was probably some misunderstanding. I mean, I didn't say that he's ugly, I don't know, something I have to apologize.

Q. You came in here 15 minutes after a very emotional match.

IVAN LJUBICIC: Actually, straight after the match, I changed my shirt and I went straight to the transportation, I wanted to get off the site as soon as possible, also because I play doubles today. And I won, by the way. Thanks for asking (laughter).

Q. I mean, last night after the match, you were very emotional. It's a very difficult match. You come in here after the match. Is it possible that if you had waited an hour, cooled down, you wouldn't have said the things you did?

IVAN LJUBICIC: I'm not excluding that maybe I said the things I'm really not thinking. Because usually we take a shower before, talk with someone before going out here, you know, just to get the mind off of what really I felt in that moment. But, as I said before, I went straight to transportation, and the guy just took me, said, "Listen, there is a press waiting for you." I was really, I mean, nervous and upset, of course, because of the match that I think I should have won, and the things, you know, that happened on the court. Obviously, I was upset. But I repeat, I don't really think that I said something really bad about Andy, and he should be upset about it. I think he understand that.

Q. I think you said that nobody likes him.

IVAN LJUBICIC: Did I say that?

Q. Yes.

IVAN LJUBICIC: I mean, I don't -- I don't know what to say about it. I'm telling you, I don't like his attitude on the court. I talk with some people about that. Obviously, it's not the most beautiful thing you can see in the tennis. For sure, there are some people who doesn't like it, and some people like it.

Q. But "like him"? You said in the locker room that nobody likes him?

IVAN LJUBICIC: Well, if I said nobody, I made a mistake.

Q. You also said he was only No. 4 in the world because he played most of his tournaments in the United States, where the umpires were biased towards him.

IVAN LJUBICIC: Well, winning two titles, two Masters Series titles, where everybody plays, obviously showing that he's a top-class player. I mean, I can say a lot of things. I can say even that Goran should never win Wimbledon, but he won. Is tough to say about the things that would never happen. We cannot -- I mean, that was my opinion last night. It could be different opinion. I could have different opinion today. But those are the things that we can discuss, I mean, for months now. We never going to find the answer because it's never going to happen.

Q. You were asleep when he called; he woke you up?

IVAN LJUBICIC: The first call, I was awake.

Q. How many calls?

IVAN LJUBICIC: The first one, we talked, and then the line went down because he was in a tunnel. Probably he was on cell phone or something. And then it took him 20 minutes to get out of the tunnel. I don't know what he was doing in the tunnel. And then he called me. Second call I was sleeping already. It was 1:30. I went out much faster than he.

Q. It certainly can be said, argued anyway, that Croatia won the Davis Cup against the United States because of the choice of an extremely fast surface. The crowd, at least on television, seemed extremely partisan and extremely loud. There were reports also that your girlfriend's brother was beating the drum and so forth, which is perfectly fine. But why cannot Andy --

IVAN LJUBICIC: Sure, he can. I don't want to just mix up Davis Cup with the US Open. It's kind of different, you know.

Q. What's the difference?

IVAN LJUBICIC: The difference is that you play for the nation, and it's Davis Cup, so we are the hosts. US Open, I mean, I hope it's international event. Of course, even if there are 50,000 people out there cheering for him, there is nothing to do about it. I didn't say nothing against the crowd. I was trying to make a point that I didn't like the attitude of the players who are trying to cheer up the crowd, which I'm doing also when I play the Davis Cup at home, and that's the case. It doesn't mean that somebody has to like it or not.

Q. So Croat players don't encourage when there are tournaments in Croatia?

IVAN LJUBICIC: Unfortunately, we don't have tournaments in Croatia.

Q. In every Grand Slam, the French have an event...

IVAN LJUBICIC: No, but I -- it's -- I'm not saying they shouldn't do that. I'm just saying that I don't like it, you know. It's not like I should -- maybe I'm in the Player Council by the ATP, and I should go for the rule where it says, "You shouldn't ...." There is actually the rule that you cannot cheer up the crowd. But, I mean, you know, if I can say that it's something I don't like, doesn't mean we should do something about it.

Q. You played a fantastic match, no two ways about that.

IVAN LJUBICIC: Thank you.

Q. But clearly the replay showed that the linesman was not affected by anything that Andy said.

IVAN LJUBICIC: What can I say? I mean, I'm not perfect. The linesmens are doing the mistakes, sometimes I do the mistake. At that particular moment, the ball looked wide to me. They made some mistakes earlier in the match, so...

Q. Don't you think you should apologize, perhaps?

IVAN LJUBICIC: To who?

Q. To Andy, for saying he called out and affected the linesman's call when the linesmen's call was correct?

IVAN LJUBICIC: No. Why should I apologize to Andy?

Q. Because you said it affected the linesman's call when the lineman's call was correct.

IVAN LJUBICIC: And?

Q. Therefore, your previous statement saying that Andy --

IVAN LJUBICIC: We should be all day here apologize one to each other? I mean...

Q. It would be nice.

IVAN LJUBICIC: No, I'm not going to apologize to anyone.

Q. So you're saying you and Andy are okay?

IVAN LJUBICIC: Of course, we are okay. It's not like I'm going to punch him as soon as I see him. We going to spend next 10 years together in the locker room every week. I mean, of course, we are okay.

Q. Did he offer you a slice of his chocolate cake?

IVAN LJUBICIC: That's not good for the sportsmen. Maybe oranges (smiling).

Q. Did you get a sense that during the course of the phone call last night with Andy, did he ever seem to be angry?

IVAN LJUBICIC: No. He was surprised. As I was surprised by his phone call, he was surprised by the things he thought that I was saying about him. He was not angry, for sure. I mean, he would act in other way. He was not angry, no.

Q. Did you all meet up in the locker room this morning?

IVAN LJUBICIC: Yeah, I saw him this morning in locker room.

Q. How did that conversation go?

IVAN LJUBICIC: No, it was fine, perfectly fine. We end up conversation that we going to see each other tomorrow at the courts. If there is anything else he wants to talk about, I mean, I'm fine with that.

Q. There are some people who say that players who do not show emotion on court make our sport deadly boring. Do you think players showing animation during matches makes it more interesting for the fans?

IVAN LJUBICIC: I think so, yes. But there is also very strict rules in our sport, so you cannot break the racquet, you cannot hit the ball out of the stadium, you get fined. You cannot talk to the people in the crowd, you get fined. It's really limited. Some people just have it inside. Me personally, if I do things like that, I feel like I'm losing concentration, so I'm not doing it.

Q. If you say it's all right to do that during Davis Cup matches, are you advocating different rules for Davis Cup?

IVAN LJUBICIC: I think there are different rules for Davis Cup, yeah, that you cannot really cheer up the crowd. I'm not sure if the Grand Slams or ATP is the same. But obviously, even if the Davis Cup, if you do like this to the crowd (raising hands), if you do it 10 times, maybe you going to get one warning. They are obviously very flexible about that rule.

Q. How much poorer would this sport be without Goran Ivanisevic?

IVAN LJUBICIC: Very poor. I think he had a lot of these (conversation/confrontation?) in the past, but never end up with a fight or something.

Q. Did Andy break any rules last night?

IVAN LJUBICIC: I don't think so, no.

Q. Just to make it clear for me, what did you want to complain about?

IVAN LJUBICIC: I didn't want to complain. I just wanted to say that I didn't like his attitude on the court, not just last night, generally looking, because I don't have to like it, like you know. And the second thing is that obviously I was upset about some calls of the linesmens, which sometimes I'm wrong, sometimes the linesmens are wrong. And for sure I have nothing against Andy as a person. That's all.

Q. But you did say that the other players told you to go kick his butt.

IVAN LJUBICIC: Well, obviously. I'm sure that some players also came to him and said, "Kick his butt." That is what is happening in the locker room. Some players like more one than the other. That's pretty natural, I think.

Q. The impression you gave yesterday was that it was like a great majority of them were probably taking your side. If you had to put numbers...

IVAN LJUBICIC: I cannot say about it, really. It's going too deep here. I really don't know. I'm telling you for sure there are some players, but for sure there are also the others. So I cannot tell you how many are. We can do the quiz next week.

Q. Do you think maybe it was a good idea if you had just gone to transportation and went back to the hotel last night?

IVAN LJUBICIC: For sure, for sure (smiling). Actually, I'm sorry, I mean, because we are talking about this right now and not about the fantastic match we had last night, or my doubles today (laughter). I think we miss the point right here because really was a great match, and I hope he's going to go all the way because he is playing really great tennis. I don't know if he's going to do that or not, but I wish him good luck, and as to everybody else, the best guy wins.

Q. Had you had a longer cooling-off period, do you think what you said would have been said?

IVAN LJUBICIC: Well, probably I would say it in different way because obviously English is not my first language. For sure, there were some things I said that I thought sounded one way instead of the other.

Q. You said that Andy doesn't respect others.

IVAN LJUBICIC: On the court.

Q. In what way does Andy not respect others on court?

IVAN LJUBICIC: I mean, the way he's acting on the court doesn't show the respect for the opponent, which is perfectly fine. I'm saying that everybody can do that.

Q. I saw the match. What did he do on court?

IVAN LJUBICIC: No, I mean, he's -- he's -- I don't know how to say that. He's acting on the court. I mean, the way he's moving, the way he talks. I mean, there are many others.

Q. In retrospect, would you take anything you said last night back?

IVAN LJUBICIC: For sure, I would take everything back (laughter). I mean, it's not like it's my perfect time to spend just coming here and trying to explain something that I say or I didn't say, you know. Obviously, I'm repeating it said that the people are talking about what I said instead of what we did on the court. Obviously, it's my fault. That's maybe the only thing I can apologize about - to Andy, because the people are talking about me and not him.

Q. Is there anything that you said that you think was inaccurate on hindsight?

IVAN LJUBICIC: I said before, when I said nobody likes him. I would say some people don't like him. Well, I didn't saw the transcript. I saw the transcript of the press last night. But really, I mean, you have to understand, it's real difficult for me because obviously my English, it's not perfect. So some things sounds really fine to me in English, but then the people say, "Listen, in the States, if you say that, the people going to get mad about it." I said, "Well, if you say that in Europe, it's perfectly fine." You know, some things are just different, sounds different.

Q. But still no apology, no need for an apology?

IVAN LJUBICIC: Well, I ask him last night if he feels like I should apologize to him. He said, "If you really don't feel nothing bad about me, why should you apologize?" Is perfect, is exactly what I'm saying.

Allure
10-12-2007, 05:32 AM
Yeah punch him Ivan. I wanna see a fight. :)

Deboogle!.
10-12-2007, 05:32 AM
Their fans still hate each other though. :lol:I don't know where you dream this stuff up. What Roddick fans hate what Ljubicic fans, exactly? :shrug:

Allure
10-12-2007, 05:34 AM
I don't know where you dream this stuff up. What Roddick fans hate what Ljubicic fans, exactly? :shrug:

Do you go to GM. IvanLjubicic: Roddick sucks. Tangerine_Dream: At least Andy won a GS more than that mug Ljubicic will ever accomplished. ;)

Deboogle!.
10-12-2007, 05:37 AM
Do you go to GM. IvanLjubicic: Roddick sucks. Tangerine_Dream: At least Andy won a GS more than that mug Ljubicic will ever accomplished. ;)I try not to, but I'm bored tonight. Again, so one person on each "side" Really, please come up with something better :) Tangerine_dream is her own woman, she doesn't speak for the rest of us and we don't speak for her. In fact most of the "roddick fans" (since you like to lump us together) get along quite well with IvanLjubicic's brother ducky. :inlove: :) When you want to talk about one person, at least respect her enough to use her name and respect the rest of us enough to not assume we are all the same :yawn:

GlennMirnyi
10-12-2007, 05:44 AM
Ah, right, I didn't really have cable internet at that time to follow so closely and read the interviews but I remember the match.

So from this we learn Roddick fans hold grudges.

They should quit being whining babies. Roddick has always been a prick, no need to whine about that.

Allure
10-12-2007, 05:52 AM
Ah, right, I didn't really have cable internet at that time to follow so closely and read the interviews but I remember the match.

So from this we learn Roddick fans hold grudges.

They should quit being whining babies. Roddick has always been a prick, no need to whine about that.

:haha:

And I know not only Tangy dislike Ljubo. But apparently Adee-gee as well from what I read in the old threads. I can look for a lot more but I'm not obsessed. ;)

Deboogle!.
10-12-2007, 05:53 AM
Ah, right, I didn't really have cable internet at that time to follow so closely and read the interviews but I remember the match.

So from this we learn Roddick fans hold grudges.

They should quit being whining babies. Roddick has always been a prick, no need to whine about that.No, we don't, but if you go around saying we, as a group, don't like him for one particular match, and you are wrong, which you were, I feel as it is my duty as someone who pays importance to facts, to point out what actually happened. When's the last time an Andy fan has brought up this event that happened over 4 years ago? Oh wait, no one has. :lol: In fact, no one really cares at all :lol: Except you, and Allure :lol: I just have an issue with the irrelevance and baseless generalizations :D

who's whining? oh that's right no one :lol: Why was Andy even brought up in this thread in the first place? :rolls::haha:

And I know not only Tangy dislike Ljubo. But apparently Adee-gee as well from what I read in the old threads. I can look for a lot more but I'm not obsessed. ;)Adee-Gee likes Andy, but he is hardy a huge andy fan and never even posts in his player forum, but if it makes you happy to scrounge around for a 2nd person, go for it :lol: As for not being obsessed, you're the one who brought it up in this thread, which had absolutely NOTHING to do with Andy at all :lol: but keep telling yourself that :D

Allure
10-12-2007, 05:55 AM
Yeah it's my bad for bringing up Roddick. :angel:

GlennMirnyi
10-12-2007, 06:01 AM
:haha:

And I know not only Tangy dislike Ljubo. But apparently Adee-gee as well from what I read in the old threads. I can look for a lot more but I'm not obsessed. ;)

Adam is Roddick's fanboy. I guess he fanboys every player with ugly games. :p

No, we don't, but if you go around saying we, as a group, don't like him for one particular match, and you are wrong, which you were, I feel as it is my duty as someone who pays importance to facts, to point out what actually happened. When's the last time an Andy fan has brought up this event that happened over 4 years ago? Oh wait, no one has. :lol: In fact, no one really cares at all :lol: Except you, and Allure :lol: I just have an issue with the irrelevance and baseless generalizations :D

who's whining? oh that's right no one :lol: Why was Andy even brought up in this thread in the first place?

Sorry if I got the match wrong, I told why already. ;)

Then if you (group) keep complaining about Ljubicic everywhere? That's holding grudges in my book. :p Also they don't bring up the fact but they all keep disliking Ljubo for that. Doesn't need to directly bring the subject into it. :p

You're not whining, but a lot of people whine about why people hate Roddick. ;) I don't mind him being an utter prick, especially as he has toned down a lot since 2003, but yeah, the reason is there.

Fensler
10-12-2007, 06:01 AM
Davis Cup is nice to have.

It is not, in any stretch of the imagination, the main yardstick by which tennis greatness is evaluated.

That is the Grand Slams, and for someone with as much ability as Ljubicic, on that measure his record is appalling.

All of this talk of Ljubo's lack of success in Grand Slams...

Have we forgotten that he has gone every bit as far in a Grand Slam as Robby Ginepri has? I mean, think about it. That's a lofty measuring stick in and of itself. :worship:

And no one can take that away from him. No one I tell you!

Allure
10-12-2007, 06:06 AM
Adam is Roddick's fanboy. I guess he fanboys every player with ugly games. :p

Let me see. Murray, Nadal, Roddick. Yep. :p

And like I said before I don't like Roddick's game, but I have no problem with his attitude. (I don't really pay much attention to it). However, I remember some American commentators said Andy and Lleyton were the two most disliked in the locker room so you wonder how much of Ljubicic's words were true. ;)

Bazooka
10-12-2007, 08:34 AM
Ljubicic is a good player. I saw him play against Andy and I prefer his game over Roddick's. He just needs to do better in slams. I don't get why a lot of Roddick fans dislike him. It's not like Andy's game is much better.


Better in slams means he has already excelled other kind of tournaments like Master Series, or international-Gold? he had his chance two years ago, and including "Ljubo" and GOAT in the same sentence (no matter the reason) is plain silly.

Apemant
10-12-2007, 01:05 PM
Having fun reading those interviews....

Just like I remembered, there is almost nothing wrong in those interviews. I can't believe how they were blown out of all proportions by MTFers here. Perhaps the only low point is that thing about locker-room, but I guess he wasn't confident enough about his own opinion so he needed some 'virtual backup'.

Oh, and BTW -

Q. I think you said that nobody likes him.

IVAN LJUBICIC: Did I say that?

Q. Yes.

IVAN LJUBICIC: I mean, I don't -- I don't know what to say about it. I'm telling you, I don't like his attitude on the court. I talk with some people about that. Obviously, it's not the most beautiful thing you can see in the tennis. For sure, there are some people who doesn't like it, and some people like it.

Q. But "like him"? You said in the locker room that nobody likes him?

IVAN LJUBICIC: Well, if I said nobody, I made a mistake.

Ljubo even 'admitted' his 'mistake', even though it wasn't actually his mistake. Those journalist should go back to elementary school, since Ljubo never said that nobody likes Andy, but that nobody likes HIS ACTING on the court. I don't like Ljubo's bald head but that doesn't mean I also don't like Ljubo in general. But I guess it's too subtle a difference for an average journalist's brain.

Oh, and about the thread title: I feel Ljubo gets about as much credit as he deserves. After all, you can't judge how much credit he receives by reading MTF GM. Here, not even a 12-slam champion receives as much credit as he deserves, from some posters, so I really don't think Ljubo has anything to complain about. :devil:

Burrow
10-12-2007, 02:52 PM
No, I imply that player without DC win shouldn't be there.

That's dumb, what if all the other guys lose in your team and you win, but you still lose the tie?

Thats hardly fair.

RomanBednar81
10-12-2007, 03:50 PM
I think Ljubicic has got some of his priorities wrong in recent years.

In the end, people remember Grand Slam performances.

I hugely respect his Davis Cup achievements, but he enters far too many lesser tournaments, and concentrates on those, when he should have been looking to peak for the big ones.

Same with loads of the top 20.

Regarding taking players out of context, it happens a lot, but players should be more vigilant.

tangerine_dream
10-12-2007, 03:55 PM
Adam is Roddick's fanboy. I guess he fanboys every player with ugly games. :p
Apparently so do you, Mr PimPim bangwagon fan. :lol:

This poster is partly right though, Ljubicic does not get CLOSE to enough credit, 11 LIVE wins in 1 Davis Cup, thats insane, remarkable, unbelievable.
He got plenty of credit when it happened. :shrug:

They hate him since he owned Roddick in 2005's DC. :lol:
I've disliked him long before 2005. Although, my hate for Ivan has abated somewhat with the arrival of some new promising mugs who have taken his place such as Stepanek, Karlovic, and Davydenko. :devil: I hope the croaties won't be mad with me. :awww:

I don't know where you dream this stuff up. What Roddick fans hate what Ljubicic fans, exactly? :shrug:
Do you go to GM. IvanLjubicic: Roddick sucks. Tangerine_Dream: At least Andy won a GS more than that mug Ljubicic will ever accomplished. ;)
Allure :haha: You really are clueless sometimes.

Yeah it's my bad for bringing up Roddick. :angel:
When do you not bring up Roddick? :scratch: I can't tell who you're a fan of because you never talk about anybody else except Roddick.

I try not to, but I'm bored tonight. Again, so one person on each "side" Really, please come up with something better :) Tangerine_dream is her own woman, she doesn't speak for the rest of us and we don't speak for her. In fact most of the "roddick fans" (since you like to lump us together) get along quite well with IvanLjubicic's brother ducky. :inlove: :) When you want to talk about one person, at least respect her enough to use her name and respect the rest of us enough to not assume we are all the same :yawn:
She's not in on the joke, Deb, so don't bother with it.