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In this undeniably weak era, should the YEC be held at all?

mediter
10-08-2007, 06:04 PM
Years ago, in an era of lions , champions with heroics and slam titles galore participated in the nabisco masters or whatever they were called to cap a dramatic end to the season.

The skills and character displayed in those years have become legendary. Today's champion would be lucky to win a RR match in this type of cutthroat high quality competition.

Today one arrogant man from switzerland turns up on court and all the chokers gift him titles at his command. My blood boils when i see the premier tennis tournaments being reduced to a show of chokers and overrated transitional champs.

There are no heroes left today. there are no lions.Only lambs.Only hyenas. only nalbandian. Only ljubicic. All born to cry mummy at the first sight of adversity. should a tournament be held for these pansies to gift the title to a transitional champ with a noncreative western grip?

Its time to construct a museum with glorious moments from the era of lions. The present day pretenders can play exhibitions and the "winner" can get a kiss from the hot Germaine Greene.

Jaap
10-08-2007, 06:05 PM
LOL.

Brilliant.

Mateya
10-08-2007, 06:23 PM
:worship: :worship: :worship: :lol:

stebs
10-08-2007, 06:24 PM
Back again. :worship:

elessar
10-08-2007, 07:19 PM
Considering the fact that it's been replaced by the Master cup I wanna say no, but it's nice to see you put a little more effort in the trolling you'd seemed a little sloppy lately

bokehlicious
10-08-2007, 07:23 PM
When does 07 ACC launch ? :confused:

rocketassist
10-08-2007, 08:17 PM
mediter talks a lot of sense I find. Well not in all aspects but in some. This is a clown era.

r2473
10-08-2007, 08:27 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=78615

muniu
10-08-2007, 09:17 PM
what the hell are you thought :retard:
It's a great era : Fed Rafa Nole Davy Andy James Picks shut up !! :o

Stensland
10-08-2007, 09:18 PM
he cracks me up everytime... :D

rocketassist
10-08-2007, 09:27 PM
what the hell are you thought :retard:
It's a great era : Fed Rafa Nole Davy Andy James Picks shut up !! :o

When the likes of Boredo can make the top 10 and headcase chokers like Blake, Ljubicic and Nalbandian get away with their choking this is a clown era. In the 90s Boredo would be top 40 at best whilst these chokers wouldn't be winning any silverware.

Federer is the only naturally gifted player who isn't a headcase or a choker. Nadal and Nole are not naturally gifted.

Allure
10-08-2007, 10:08 PM
When the likes of Boredo can make the top 10 and headcase chokers like Blake, Ljubicic and Nalbandian get away with their choking this is a clown era. In the 90s Boredo would be top 40 at best whilst these chokers wouldn't be winning any silverware.

Federer is the only naturally gifted player who isn't a headcase or a choker. Nadal and Nole are not naturally gifted.

Yet you have Djoke in your sig. ;)

Sofyaxo
10-08-2007, 10:13 PM
If tennis sucks so much right now don't watch it. :yeah:

Snowwy
10-08-2007, 10:22 PM
Might as well have a good post number 100 for one of the best posters of alltime, and this one is even more of a gem than your other recent one.

Nice to see you have a clown almsot as big as you in this thread too, in rocketassist

Johnny Groove
10-08-2007, 10:30 PM
Best quality of trollage from mediter in a long time :yeah:

R.Federer
10-08-2007, 10:33 PM
Today one arrogant man from switzerland turns up on court and all the chokers gift him titles at his command. My blood boils when i see the premier tennis tournaments being reduced to a show of chokers and overrated transitional champs.


I resent that you openly call Nadal a choker :D

Byrd
10-08-2007, 10:35 PM
All trolls should look upto this guy for inspiration, truly a sight to behold.

rocketassist
10-08-2007, 10:43 PM
Yet you have Djoke in your sig. ;)

I don't have to like only naturally gifted players.

Black Adam
10-08-2007, 10:45 PM
:haha: :rolls: They should just prevent inferior players from attending (Boredo, Ferrer) or eliminate the problem at its source, ban the Competition killer: Federmerde.

rocketassist
10-08-2007, 10:47 PM
Might as well have a good post number 100 for one of the best posters of alltime, and this one is even more of a gem than your other recent one.

Nice to see you have a clown almsot as big as you in this thread too, in rocketassist

Look in the mirror to find the clown.

mediter is right, this is a clown era and that cannot be debated. The top players in the 90s were miles a standard above this one's.

Federer's achieved an awful lot but put him in the 90s against prime Agassi, prime Sampras, Muster on clay, Rafter, Chang (a Nadal clone), Ivanisevic, Pioline and Courier and he'd have to work a ton harder to win his majors.

rocketassist
10-08-2007, 10:50 PM
:haha: :rolls: They should just prevent inferior players from attending (Boredo, Ferrer) or eliminate the problem at its source, ban the Competition killer: Federmerde.

Pics Ferrer can actually play good attacking tennis sometimes and is entertaining in his own special way. He deserves to be in Shanghai.

Snowwy
10-08-2007, 10:54 PM
Look in the mirror to find the clown.

mediter is right, this is a clown era and that cannot be debated. The top players in the 90s were miles a standard above this one's.

Federer's achieved an awful lot but put him in the 90s against prime Agassi, prime Sampras, Muster on clay, Rafter, Chang (a Nadal clone), Ivanisevic, Pioline and Courier and he'd have to work a ton harder to win his majors.

So youre saying that Robredo who has been in teh top ten for a year and a half and the top 20 for four years now couldnt beat Richey Reneberg or Jacco Eltingh, both top 20 players from the 90s. Cuz if you truly believe that, you're in as much trouble as mediter

Black Adam
10-08-2007, 10:55 PM
Pics Ferrer can actually play good attacking tennis sometimes and is entertaining in his own special way. He deserves to be in Shanghai.
Pics Ferrer ain't gonna win a match and is just plain boring. It's quite sad that these guys(Boredo & Pics) get to attend and have their asses handed to them all pink and swollen. Players of a higher caliber should attend to save Master Cup.
Stepanek and Berdych would be interesting seeing it's an indoor fast court.

Simpler solution would to bar Fed from it so that we can have a decent tournament.

rocketassist
10-08-2007, 10:56 PM
Pics Ferrer ain't gonna win a match and is just plain boring. It's quite sad that these guys(Boredo & Pics) get to attend and have their asses handed to them all pink and swollen. Players of a higher caliber should attend to save Master Cup.
Stepanek and Berdych would be interesting seeing it's an indoor fast court.

Simpler solution would to bar Fed from it so that we can have a decent tournament.

MC Steppa would bring his own entertaining persona to the TMC. All for that.

rocketassist
10-08-2007, 10:56 PM
So youre saying that Robredo who has been in teh top ten for a year and a half and the top 20 for four years now couldnt beat Richey Reneberg or Jacco Eltingh, both top 20 players from the 90s. Cuz if you truly believe that, you're in as much trouble as mediter

If they can dictate points to a reasonable standard and not choke then they would beat him.

Snowwy
10-08-2007, 10:58 PM
If they can dictate points to a reasonable standard and not choke then they would beat him.

You havent actually heard of thoes two players have you.

selyoink
10-08-2007, 10:58 PM
How can an era containing the greatest of all players The King in addition to Pics be considered weak?

Black Adam
10-08-2007, 11:01 PM
MC Steppa would bring his own entertaining persona to the TMC. All for that.

Well said :yeah: :worship: Funny outfits, sexy lips, rabbit jumps and a style suited to the court :worship: which is already more than what Pics or Boredo have to offer. As for Berdy he will be interesting atmosphere and rivalry wise (Nadal) ;)

rocketassist
10-08-2007, 11:01 PM
You havent actually heard of thoes two players have you.

Heard of Eltingh yes, but not Reneberg.

Allure
10-08-2007, 11:18 PM
Pics Ferrer ain't gonna win a match and is just plain boring. It's quite sad that these guys(Boredo & Pics) get to attend and have their asses handed to them all pink and swollen. Players of a higher caliber should attend to save Master Cup.
Stepanek and Berdych would be interesting seeing it's an indoor fast court.

Simpler solution would to bar Fed from it so that we can have a decent tournament.

You sounded smart until the last statement.

Stensland
10-08-2007, 11:47 PM
Heard of Eltingh yes, but not Reneberg.

haven't heard of reneberg but trying to make a strong point judging players from the 90s? wow, quite an effort. :lol:

Snowwy
10-09-2007, 12:02 AM
Heard of Eltingh yes, but not Reneberg.

My point is proven, you have no idea how Robredo would ahve done in the 90s if you dont even remember playres who made the to 20 in the nineties

NYCtennisfan
10-09-2007, 12:29 AM
My point is proven, you have no idea how Robredo would ahve done in the 90s if you dont even remember playres who made the to 20 in the nineties

GSM.

Brad Gilbert was #4 in the world at one point in 1990 when you had Lendl, Edberg, Becker, Sampras starting to come along, Agassi, Chang, and even McEnroe who was coming off of his best year since 1985. Somehow Gilbert, who was less talented than Robredo, made it to #4 in the era of lions and champions.

Everyone should read Hitchhiker's thread about every era being a clown era. When Lendl was in his prime, they said that it wasn't as though when McEnroe was in his prime, when Sampras got to #1, they said it wasn't as tough when Lendl was #1, when Federer rules, it's not as tough as when Sampras played. Same old story every time.

Johnny Groove
10-09-2007, 01:09 AM
Chang (a Nadal clone)

:rolls:

You just lost all credibility right there

Neumann
10-09-2007, 04:33 AM
Years ago, in an era of lions , champions with heroics and slam titles galore participated in the nabisco masters or whatever they were called to cap a dramatic end to the season.

I miss the times in which players won dozens of slam titles a year :sad:

Action Jackson
10-09-2007, 04:42 AM
Great reading.

Marek.
10-09-2007, 04:46 AM
One of his best yet :worship:

leng jai
10-09-2007, 09:16 AM
We should just cancel the tour until a new strong era comes along.

bokehlicious
10-09-2007, 03:59 PM
...Chang (a Nadal clone)...

:haha: :haha: thanks for sharing your perfect tennis knowledge :lol:

mediter
10-09-2007, 04:13 PM
People want high standards in trolling! what has the world come to?

Trolling is abominable and has no place where serious people discuss serious topics. It cannot be condoned under any circumstances.

Only if hitler fan was half as good in moderation as he is in trash talking, would this forum be a better
place.

bokehlicious
10-09-2007, 04:18 PM
You're too smart for us mediter, maybe one day you'll help us see the light, RFK already fights hard trying to "save our souls". Keep it up mates, you both can do it :rocker2:

Sunset of Age
10-09-2007, 04:45 PM
People want high standards in trolling! what has the world come to?

Trolling is abominable and has no place where serious people discuss serious topics. It cannot be condoned under any circumstances.

Only if hitler fan was half as good in moderation as he is in trash talking, would this forum be a better
place.

TOP Class Trolling, mate. Keep it up, you truly are a REAL ACC Champion, all others are just candidates for a transitional title... :drive:

:haha: :worship: :lol: :bounce: :bigclap: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :haha: :spit:

RagingLamb
10-10-2007, 03:32 AM
Years ago, in an era of lions , champions with heroics and slam titles galore participated in the nabisco masters or whatever they were called to cap a dramatic end to the season.

The skills and character displayed in those years have become legendary. Today's champion would be lucky to win a RR match in this type of cutthroat high quality competition.

Today one arrogant man from switzerland turns up on court and all the chokers gift him titles at his command. My blood boils when i see the premier tennis tournaments being reduced to a show of chokers and overrated transitional champs.

There are no heroes left today. there are no lions.Only lambs.Only hyenas. only nalbandian. Only ljubicic. All born to cry mummy at the first sight of adversity. should a tournament be held for these pansies to gift the title to a transitional champ with a noncreative western grip?

Its time to construct a museum with glorious moments from the era of lions. The present day pretenders can play exhibitions and the "winner" can get a kiss from the hot Germaine Greene.


some of your best work.

a true masterpiece :yeah:

barbadosan
10-10-2007, 03:50 AM
TOP Class Trolling, mate. Keep it up, you truly are a REAL ACC Champion, all others are just candidates for a transitional title... :drive:

:haha: :worship: :lol: :bounce: :bigclap: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :haha: :spit:

I've been hoping for weeks to happen across what ACC stands for???

dragons112
10-10-2007, 04:57 AM
Years ago, in an era of lions , champions with heroics and slam titles galore participated in the nabisco masters or whatever they were called to cap a dramatic end to the season.

The skills and character displayed in those years have become legendary. Today's champion would be lucky to win a RR match in this type of cutthroat high quality competition.

Today one arrogant man from switzerland turns up on court and all the chokers gift him titles at his command. My blood boils when i see the premier tennis tournaments being reduced to a show of chokers and overrated transitional champs.

There are no heroes left today. there are no lions.Only lambs.Only hyenas. only nalbandian. Only ljubicic. All born to cry mummy at the first sight of adversity. should a tournament be held for these pansies to gift the title to a transitional champ with a noncreative western grip?

Its time to construct a museum with glorious moments from the era of lions. The present day pretenders can play exhibitions and the "winner" can get a kiss from the hot Germaine Greene.



You are an idiot. What makes those past players better. The serve and volley game does not work they would killed burned buy most players on todays circut. you are a fool

TheBoiledEgg
10-10-2007, 05:15 AM
I'm sure Berasategui even at his age would win more games in a set than he did in the 94 ATP World Champs :tape:

Sunset of Age
10-10-2007, 05:20 AM
I've been hoping for weeks to happen across what ACC stands for???

Arse Clown Contest (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=97189) :lol: :yeah: :angel:

barbadosan
10-10-2007, 05:56 AM
Arse Clown Contest (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=97189) :lol: :yeah: :angel:

hahaha.. ok... thanks for putting me out of my misery :)

Bobby
10-10-2007, 08:17 AM
You are an idiot. What makes those past players better. The serve and volley game does not work they would killed burned buy most players on todays circut. you are a fool

I don't thnk it's a good idea to compare different eras. But I do agree with you up to some extent. even in the nineties, there were many players in the top 20, who didn't really have solid ground strokes. But now, almost all the players more or less know all the shots in the book. That's why serve and volley doesn't really work anymore. Another reason of course is that the courts are slower now.

People have a habit of looking back and thinking that the game was better before. I don't think so. The quality of the game is better than it has ever been. Some of the top players of the early nineties probably wouldn't make it to the top 100 now. Look at Edberg for example. Former world number one and a multiple GS winner. In 2007 he would be blown off the court because of his serve and relatively bad forehand. Maybe the game is not that entertaining now, but the the quality is very good!

Patman
10-10-2007, 10:04 AM
I find it quite amusing that some people can actually believe that for just one generation of Tennis, the entire Tennis population consists of chokers and hacks. Newsflash for the people that actually believe that this era is a weak one. Even if for some strange reason evolution decided to take a break on budding Tennis Stars, the non chokers with minimal natural tennis talent in this population would be the actual pro Tennis players because mental toughness, drive,and heart always beats out raw talent in most sports.

bokehlicious
10-10-2007, 12:37 PM
The quality of the game is better than it has ever been. Some of the top players of the early nineties probably wouldn't make it to the top 100 now. Look at Edberg for example. Former world number one and a multiple GS winner. In 2007 he would be blown off the court because of his serve and relatively bad forehand. Maybe the game is not that entertaining now, but the the quality is very good!

True, I can't imagine a top 50 player nowadays with a forehand as weak as Edberg's...

As much I love Stefan, he would struggle to make a living out of tennis was he born 15 years later...

kulikuli
10-10-2007, 02:32 PM
True, I can't imagine a top 50 player nowadays with a forehand as weak as Edberg's...

As much I love Stefan, he would struggle to make a living out of tennis was he born 15 years later...

But Edberg learned to play tennis on varnished wood with wooden rackets.

laure xxx
10-10-2007, 02:57 PM
Ridiculous idea, but a nice sentiment. :yeah:

Dougie
10-10-2007, 07:09 PM
I don't thnk it's a good idea to compare different eras. But I do agree with you up to some extent. even in the nineties, there were many players in the top 20, who didn't really have solid ground strokes. But now, almost all the players more or less know all the shots in the book. That's why serve and volley doesn't really work anymore. Another reason of course is that the courts are slower now.

People have a habit of looking back and thinking that the game was better before. I don't think so. The quality of the game is better than it has ever been. Some of the top players of the early nineties probably wouldn't make it to the top 100 now. Look at Edberg for example. Former world number one and a multiple GS winner. In 2007 he would be blown off the court because of his serve and relatively bad forehand. Maybe the game is not that entertaining now, but the the quality is very good!

I totally agree what you said about Edberg´s forehand, but his serve was nothing to be ashamed of. I think his kick serve would still be very effective.

Bobby
10-10-2007, 07:27 PM
I totally agree what you said about Edberg´s forehand, but his serve was nothing to be ashamed of. I think his kick serve would still be very effective.

I disagree. There are plenty of good kick serves now. Edberg's serve was effective back then, because the return skills were not as good as today. Serve and volley with that kind of serve would not be effective anymore. Having said all this, I still think that Edberg was a joy to watch. One of my favourite players.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-10-2007, 07:31 PM
what the hell are you thought :retard:
It's a great era : Fed Rafa Nole Davy Andy James Picks shut up !! :o

One of the most idiotic statements on MTF.

This era is pathetic.

Fed & Rafa pretty good.

Nole = sad choker who cant even win a gifted match
Davy = very sad choker who enjoys failing
Andy = just not good enough
James = idiot hasnt even made it to SF of GS so who cares

2 people currently belong in the ATP and the rest should be in the WTA

Bobby
10-10-2007, 07:34 PM
One of the most idiotic statements on MTF.

This era is pathetic.

Fed & Rafa pretty good.

Nole = sad choker who cant even win a gifted match
Davy = very sad choker who enjoys failing
Andy = just not good enough
James = idiot hasnt even made it to QF of GS so who cares

2 people currently belong in the ATP and the rest should be in the WTA

Djokovic may be many things, but choker he is not. He's won a couple of big events this year and was in the final of US Open. Sure, he lost to Federer but it was his first GS final.

scarecrows
10-10-2007, 07:40 PM
James = idiot hasnt even made it to QF of GS so who cares



twice

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-10-2007, 07:41 PM
You're too smart for us mediter, maybe one day you'll help us see the light, RFK already fights hard trying to "save our souls". Keep it up mates, you both can do it :rocker2:

Fedtardism has sadly ruined too many brains and souls on MTF. This board will be so much greater once your kind is gone.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-10-2007, 07:43 PM
twice

Meant semis.

In real tennis eras great players made the semis of Grand Slams.

In the current joke era even idiots like James are considered great.

bokehlicious
10-10-2007, 09:37 PM
This board will be so much greater once your kind is gone.

Who do you think you fool ? The day we're gone you'll be bored to death as you wouldn't have to fight ignorance and tardism anymore... :shrug: :wavey:

stebs
10-10-2007, 09:54 PM
Meant semis.

In real tennis eras great players made the semis of Grand Slams.

In the current joke era even idiots like James are considered great.

Greats like MaliVai Washington huh?

Oh, and since you think Borg is the GOAT and you don't call his era one of clowns how do you say this -


Fillol, Alvaro (CHI) 6-3 6-1 6-4
Gomez, Andres (ECU) 6-2 6-2 6-1
Portes, Pascal (FRA) 6-3 6-0 6-1
Taroczy, Balazs (HUN) 6-2 6-2 6-0
Barazzutti, Corrado (ITA) 6-0 6-3 6-3
Solomon, Harold (USA) 6-2 6-2 6-0
Gerulaitis, Vitas (USA) 6-4 6-1 6-2

- is tough competition whereas Federer's opponents roll over and die for him.

elessar
10-10-2007, 10:01 PM
Greats like MaliVai Washington huh?

Oh, and since you think Borg is the GOAT and you don't call his era one of clowns how do you say this -


Fillol, Alvaro (CHI) 6-3 6-1 6-4
Gomez, Andres (ECU) 6-2 6-2 6-1
Portes, Pascal (FRA) 6-3 6-0 6-1
Taroczy, Balazs (HUN) 6-2 6-2 6-0
Barazzutti, Corrado (ITA) 6-0 6-3 6-3
Solomon, Harold (USA) 6-2 6-2 6-0
Gerulaitis, Vitas (USA) 6-4 6-1 6-2

- is tough competition whereas Federer's opponents roll over and die for him.
Ah RG 80 it always makes me go :rolls: when I look at it, gives the expression tearing through the draw a whole new meaning ! And people say Federer doesn't have enough competition, as James Blake would say : too good

Apemant
10-10-2007, 10:39 PM
Greats like MaliVai Washington huh?

Oh, and since you think Borg is the GOAT and you don't call his era one of clowns how do you say this -


Fillol, Alvaro (CHI) 6-3 6-1 6-4
Gomez, Andres (ECU) 6-2 6-2 6-1
Portes, Pascal (FRA) 6-3 6-0 6-1
Taroczy, Balazs (HUN) 6-2 6-2 6-0
Barazzutti, Corrado (ITA) 6-0 6-3 6-3
Solomon, Harold (USA) 6-2 6-2 6-0
Gerulaitis, Vitas (USA) 6-4 6-1 6-2

- is tough competition whereas Federer's opponents roll over and die for him.

That? Try this:

Deblicker, Eric (FRA) 6-1 6-1 6-1
Fagel, Rick (USA) 6-0 6-1 6-0
Bertolucci, Paolo (ITA) 6-0 6-2 6-2
Tanner, Roscoe (USA) 6-2 6-4 7-6
Ramirez, Raul (MEX) 6-3 6-3 6-0
Barazzutti, Corrado (ITA) 6-0 6-1 6-0
Vilas, Guillermo (ARG) 6-1 6-1 6-3


32 sets lost in total, 12 of that just to Tanner in R16. Major clown era alert. :devil:

Edit: 6 sets lost TOTAL in SF and F together. That's just sick. Yes, Borg was indeed amazing, but someone might as well claim that his competition on clay was virtually non-existant, looking at these numbers alone.

Edit #2: This Barazzutti dude who managed to win just 1 set, won 5 titles in his career, and just made it to #7 in the world at the age of 35. Semifinal of Roland Garros, physically most demanding of them all. :rolleyes: And he won his previous 2 rounds, R16 and Q, in straights, just to be obliterated 0-1-0 by Borg. Clown era, anyone?

Dougie
10-11-2007, 06:50 AM
I disagree. There are plenty of good kick serves now. Edberg's serve was effective back then, because the return skills were not as good as today. Serve and volley with that kind of serve would not be effective anymore. Having said all this, I still think that Edberg was a joy to watch. One of my favourite players.

:bs:

His serve and volley-game would still be decent. He had a tremendously high bounce on his kick serve, a lot of top players today would have trouble returning that serve. And his volleys would still be one of the best on tour. It would be his forehand that would let him down nowadays.

leng jai
10-11-2007, 10:09 AM
Edberg had a WTA forehand.

Patman
10-11-2007, 06:11 PM
Tennis at the top level is 70% mental skills.

Exactly, that is why if every talented tennis player this gen was a choker, a less talented non choker would be ranked number 2 for as long as Fed has been number 1 but that just isn't the case. So that kinda throws the weak era thing out the window since the chances of not having more than two mentally tough players for an entire generation is slim to none.