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ATP website says Moscow is played on carpet...

bjurra
10-08-2007, 12:48 PM
Never cared much for the ATP website but getting the surface of a tournament all wrong must surely be a new low. How can they not know that Moscow is played on hardcourt?

What's next? Wimbledon being played in April? Roland Garros on indoor hard?

Bilbo
10-08-2007, 12:51 PM
today you only have to know one thing about tennis courts: every court is slow

GlennMirnyi
10-08-2007, 01:18 PM
It has been always carpet mate. Are you nuts?

ReturnWinner
10-08-2007, 02:32 PM
It's carpet ,Burra .

bjurra
10-08-2007, 02:34 PM
It has been always carpet mate. Are you nuts?

I am watching Moscow on TV right now and it sure as hell isn't carpet. The tournament's fact sheet says Rocahard. At least the organizers have figured out the surface...

MrExcel
10-08-2007, 02:59 PM
I thought it was carpet, that's what the ATP website has always stated. But watching it on TV it certainly looks like a hard court. Also, it says hard on the drawsheet:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/1/posting/2007/438/mds.pdf

ReturnWinner
10-08-2007, 03:11 PM
This tournament has been always played on carpet, maybe they did change this year , dunno

Bilbo
10-08-2007, 03:19 PM
they slowed the courts down like any other tournament. don't think we can talk about carpet here.

GlennMirnyi
10-08-2007, 04:04 PM
I am watching Moscow on TV right now and it sure as hell isn't carpet. The tournament's fact sheet says Rocahard. At least the organizers have figured out the surface...

I thought it was carpet, that's what the ATP website has always stated. But watching it on TV it certainly looks like a hard court. Also, it says hard on the drawsheet:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/1/posting/2007/438/mds.pdf

It's been on carpet since the 90s.

l_mac
10-08-2007, 04:11 PM
Maybe GlennMirnyi, but now it says that it's played on Rukothard which is not carpet.

Maybe it's new for this year?

Comments from some WTA players:

Serena Williams: The surface of the court is kind of weird - Serena noted. - It is rather slow and the ball bounce is sometimes high, sometime low, - it is kind of unusual for me because indoor courts are typically faster.

Anna Chakvetdaze: It is as slow as the previous one but the rebound is high

Svetlana Kuzenetsova: I hope that I will get accustomed to the surface laid on the court of the Olimpiysky stadium as we had already played on the same surface in the Fed Cup

So it seems like the surface has changed and GlennMirnyi owes the thread starter an apology :)

Bilbo
10-08-2007, 04:14 PM
it's no carpet. you just have to follow the scoreboard. too many breaks for carpet.

GlennMirnyi
10-08-2007, 04:18 PM
Maybe GlennMirnyi, but now it says that it's played on Rukothard which is not carpet.

Maybe it's new for this year?

Comments from some WTA players:

Serena Williams: The surface of the court is kind of weird - Serena noted. - It is rather slow and the ball bounce is sometimes high, sometime low, - it is kind of unusual for me because indoor courts are typically faster.

Anna Chakvetdaze: It is as slow as the previous one but the rebound is high

Svetlana Kuzenetsova: I hope that I will get accustomed to the surface laid on the court of the Olimpiysky stadium as we had already played on the same surface in the Fed Cup

So it seems like the surface has changed and GlennMirnyi owes the thread starter an apology :)

I'm not there. I just pointed it has been on carpet since the 90s.

Maybe you should apologise for offending our eyes with your stupid Nadal avatars, eh?

l_mac
10-08-2007, 04:20 PM
I'm not there. I just pointed it has been on carpet since the 90s.

Maybe you should apologise for offending our eyes with your stupid Nadal avatars, eh?

You asked the thread starter if he/she was nuts and then insisted that the tournament was being played on carpet when people watching the matches, and the tournament site, said it was being played on Rukothard. I have no idea what it's being played on but I'd probably check the facts before I went around calling people nuts and dismissing the posts of people actually watching the tournament.

If anyone is offended by my avatar I certainly feel sorry for them :)

Ivo#1Fan
10-08-2007, 04:24 PM
I'm not there. I just pointed it has been on carpet since the 90s.

Maybe you should apologise for offending our eyes with your stupid Nadal avatars, eh?

CHOKE:devil:

Dmitry Bond
10-08-2007, 04:25 PM
Its on carpet. Carpet name is "RuKort"

l_mac
10-08-2007, 04:29 PM
Its on carpet. Carpet name is "RuKort"

Could be, but the drawsheet says the surface is Rukothard, which is not carpet. If I'm wrong (and I'm only going by the drawsheet and the fact that from the players comments it's being played on a new, slower surface this year) I have no problem apologising and admitting my mistake.

GlennMirnyi
10-08-2007, 04:30 PM
You asked the thread starter if he/she was nuts and then insisted that the tournament was being played on carpet when people watching the matches, and the tournament site, said it was being played on Rukothard. I have no idea what it's being played on but I'd probably check the facts before I went around calling peole nuts and dismissing the posts of people actually watching the tournament.

If anyone is offended by my avatar I certainly feel sorry for them :)

Read below.

Its on carpet. Carpet name is "RuKort"

:wavey:

l_mac
10-08-2007, 04:31 PM
Read above :)

Bilbo
10-08-2007, 04:39 PM
that's how the ATP describes carpet today but for me real carpet has to be faster. it's a joke how the ATP is slowing down the sport and they still talk about like it's an old surface.

TheBoiledEgg
10-08-2007, 04:39 PM
its easy to tell

if the players feet squeak its hard
if not its carpet

and its definately carpet.

they changed the court surface last yr to a faster one
previously it was slower than constipation.

Bilbo
10-08-2007, 04:49 PM
its easy to tell

if the players feet squeak its hard
if not its carpet

and its definately carpet.

they changed the court surface last yr to a faster one
previously it was slower than constipation.

so how do you explain all these breaks? in the past moscow was famous for it's many tie-break matches.

l_mac
10-08-2007, 04:50 PM
:lol:

I think everyone is wrong.

I believe they surface they are using is RuKort Pro, which is classed as neither carpet or hardcourt by the ITF. It is "other" :lol:

GlennMirnyi
10-08-2007, 04:52 PM
that's how the ATP describes carpet today but for me real carpet has to be faster. it's a joke how the ATP is slowing down the sport and they still talk about like it's an old surface.

That's very true.

TheBoiledEgg
10-08-2007, 04:53 PM
so how do you explain all these breaks? in the past moscow was famous for it's many tie-break matches.

it always hasnt been as slow as it was back in 2002-2005
it used to be faster.
carpet courts change with age.

AnnaK_4ever
10-08-2007, 04:55 PM
Before 2006 they played on Taraflex. Now it's impossible to say what the surface is. The only thing we know about "RuKort" is it's supplied by the company run by Tarpischev's son :tape:

Anyway, it's as slow as it was before and the bounces are still unpredictable.

bjurra
10-08-2007, 05:17 PM
It looks like hardcourt. It sounds like hardcourt. The balls behave like on hardcourt. The shoes shriek like on hardcourt.

Action Jackson
10-09-2007, 04:04 AM
Its on carpet. Carpet name is "RuKort"

This makes sense.

MrExcel
10-09-2007, 12:48 PM
Feet are squeaking all the time and you can visibly see its not a carpet court... I don't know what they call it or what they classify it as but it's defantely closer to a hard court than anything else.

AnnaK_4ever
10-09-2007, 01:07 PM
Davydenko in his post-match interview said the surface had been changed. He said he was not happy about that since he won last year on other surface but the good thing is that other four tournaments of the year (Madrid, St.Petersburg, Paris, TMC - ???) will be played on the same surface with the same balls as Kremlin Cup...

scarecrows
10-09-2007, 01:10 PM
Davydenko in his post-match interview said the surface had been changed. He said he was not happy about that since he won last year on other surface but the good thing is that other four tournaments of the year (Madrid, St.Petersburg, Paris, TMC - ???) will be played on the same surface with the same balls as Kremlin Cup...

:confused:

Madrid isnt the same surface as Paris, is it?

Action Jackson
10-09-2007, 01:11 PM
Madrid is not carpet.

AnnaK_4ever
10-09-2007, 01:20 PM
I remember Tarpischev saying before Kremlin Cup has started that this year surface is similar to US Open's one. I didn't pay much attention to his words (cos it's obviously not DecoTurf) at first but now it looks like this year they really play on hardcourts after all...

nobama
10-09-2007, 01:52 PM
I thought Madrid was indoor hard. And isn't that what Basel is switching too?

scoobs
10-09-2007, 01:58 PM
I thought Madrid was indoor hard, Basel and Paris were carpet

I can't tell if Moscow is carpet or hard, it looks like it could be a sort of carpet or it could be hard. It plays slow for carpet, so frankly, it's a distinction without a difference.

AnnaK_4ever
10-11-2007, 08:05 PM
Bump.

Tarpischev in his blog on www.sports.ru wrote they had switched the surface from RuKortPro to RuKortHard.

l_mac
10-11-2007, 08:12 PM
RuKortPro wasn't carpet either, at least according to ITF classification.

scoobs
10-11-2007, 08:19 PM
Why not just classify them all "random synthetic material " and be done with it.

So the rest of the events this year are played on RSM.

l_mac
10-11-2007, 08:26 PM
^^ :lol:

MrExcel
10-13-2007, 09:54 AM
Madrid is not carpet.

http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/1/posting/2007/1536/qs.pdf

Look in the top right of that draw! What is going on!

Have all the indoor tournaments chosen a new surface this year?!

The ATP website says Madrid is on Greenset, website here: http://greenset.net/index_content_en.html

Greenset does a range of types of surface including carpet. If you click on the surfaces tab at the top and then on 'MTC' it shows a picture of Madrid, so I'm guessing that's the surface they use. Looking at the description I wouldn't call that a carpet court, but I'm no expert.

I just don't know anymore, wish this was better publicised!

lazyman
10-13-2007, 11:37 AM
this is funny as reading this argument over people trying to work out if a surface is hard or carpet i never thought an argument could be about what the surface is

MrExcel
10-13-2007, 11:55 AM
this is funny as reading this argument over people trying to work out if a surface is hard or carpet i never thought an argument could be about what the surface is

I'm not with you...

There are a hundred different surfaces out there blending from bog standard plain concrete to super-fast carpet laid on boards. One company can make a lot of different surfaces so when the ATP website states 'Greenset' you can't be sure which one they're talking about.

Are you saying it should be easy to see what a surface is by looking at it? Or are you saying all surfaces are more or less conformed to the same thing these days?

lazyman
10-13-2007, 01:18 PM
I'm not with you...

There are a hundred different surfaces out there blending from bog standard plain concrete to super-fast carpet laid on boards. One company can make a lot of different surfaces so when the ATP website states 'Greenset' you can't be sure which one they're talking about.

Are you saying it should be easy to see what a surface is by looking at it? Or are you saying all surfaces are more or less conformed to the same thing these days?

no of course not but catorgarising em should i mean obviously there are many types but they are usually easily catagorised into like hard clay grass carpet and stuff that is what shouldnt be so hard to do

MrExcel
10-13-2007, 01:26 PM
no of course not but catorgarising em should i mean obviously there are many types but they are usually easily catagorised into like hard clay grass carpet and stuff that is what shouldnt be so hard to do

Yeah I agree. It used to be one or the other but there are so many different types they use now that they all merge into one.

I think Madrid will always stay closer to the hardcourt side of things though and Paris will remain the good old carpet courts.

Now I've said that Paris will probably change to indoor grass...

Leo
10-14-2007, 12:08 AM
Paris will definitely not be as slow as Moscow, never. :lol: And if they make the Masters Cup as slow, I'm sure Federer, Roddick, etc. will have a few nasty words for the tournament directors.

Moscow has always been carpet but known for being very slow, and also very orange - I assume they haven't changed the color this year? I haven't been able to watch any matches. But perhaps this year they changed it to indoor hard, since carpet is really a dying breed. I'm pretty sure Johnny Mac's record for consecutive carpet streaks will never be challenged because one day there may be no carpet tournaments left anywhere.

Lee
10-14-2007, 02:41 AM
http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/1/posting/2007/1536/qs.pdf

Look in the top right of that draw! What is going on!

Have all the indoor tournaments chosen a new surface this year?!

The ATP website says Madrid is on Greenset, website here: http://greenset.net/index_content_en.html

Greenset does a range of types of surface including carpet. If you click on the surfaces tab at the top and then on 'MTC' it shows a picture of Madrid, so I'm guessing that's the surface they use. Looking at the description I wouldn't call that a carpet court, but I'm no expert.

I just don't know anymore, wish this was better publicised!

Madrid is always indoor hard. :shrug:

MrExcel
10-14-2007, 09:50 AM
Madrid is always indoor hard. :shrug:

Yes, the 'MTC' surface I referred to is a hard court surface. But they also do carpet like surfaces too.

MrExcel
10-28-2007, 11:00 PM
Here we go again, now, this is Nalbandian walking onto court today, is it me or is that not a carpet court anymore:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6194583&postcount=39

Also, on the draw it says 'Hard':
http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/posting/2007/352/mds.pdf

Now I'm confused...

l_mac
10-28-2007, 11:04 PM
I believe Paris have changed the surface at the urging of the players (i.e Fed and Nadal) who thought it was unsafe.

ReturnWinner
10-28-2007, 11:13 PM
I believe Paris have changed the surface at the urging of the players (i.e Fed and Nadal) who thought it was unsafe.

but Nadal thinks All hard surfaces are unsafe :lol:

l_mac
10-28-2007, 11:16 PM
^^ If only he could get Fed onside they could probably get back to the good old days of everything being played on grass or clay :lol:

nobama
10-28-2007, 11:17 PM
I thought they demanded the change so the surface would be similar to what they play on in Shanghai.

Sunset of Age
10-28-2007, 11:19 PM
I thought they demanded the change so the surface would be similar to what they play on in Shanghai.

So did I - and in any case, I don't recall Fed having said anything about that surface being 'dangerous'. Do correct me if I'm wrong, though.

l_mac
10-28-2007, 11:25 PM
I could be wrong, for sure. :lol:

Sunset of Age
10-28-2007, 11:28 PM
I could be wrong, for sure. :lol:

Whatever, let's just hope Raf's knees will hold him up this time - as his draw isn't exactly the worst he could get (warning: understatement, :lol:), he should have a fair chance if he stays healthy. :D

MrExcel
10-28-2007, 11:34 PM
So rather than stick to the tradition of the tournament and maintain surface consistency of lead in tournaments (Basel, St. Petersburg, Lyon) they're just changing surfaces now when the big two say so?

I suppose next year Nadal will demand Queen's and Wimbledon get changed to clay so that its easier to go from the French Open through to Stuttgart...

l_mac
10-28-2007, 11:39 PM
I was sure I'd read somewhere that Fed said his feet kept sticking to the surface, but I can't find it so I might have imagined it :lol:

I did find this partial translation of this article http://www.grandchelem.net/mon_weblog/2007/10/jean-franois-ca.html which made me laugh a lot.

GrandChelem: So, you’ve send Jean-François Bachelot to approach the players to find out what their main worry for the surface was?
Jean-François Caujolle: Most of it was about the surface. It’s certain that for two of them, there was a sine qua non condition for their participation.

G: Who are those two?
Federer and Nadal, the number one and the number two and for acceptable reasons. Nadal thought that the surface did not respond to the effects he puts in his game, rendering it without value. That’s true, the surface responded less to effects. For Federer, it was a psychological problem, he blocks: “It’s harder for me to find my shots…”

G: But that’s the 'Federer in Paris syndrome'.
(laughs) Yes and people even told him: “as you’re not going to win Roland Garros and you’re never going to win it, if you want a title in Paris, you need to play in Bercy…” No, I’m kidding.

G: So, once you found a new surface texture with your partner Gerflor, you tested it with whom?
We tested it during Roland Garros with Nalbandian , Roddick, Gasquet and above all, with Moya, because Moya is Nadal’s Tinkerbell after all. :haha: :haha: And with that first surface, we found out that this surface is good on many levels because it responded well to ball effects but it was too fast. So, we worked on it again with Gerflor and they suggested the surface that we’re going to use this year. It’s a wooden surface with an acrylic layer over it. Some say that it’s Greenset but no, this is a surface we’ve established together with Gerflor.

Translated by Moondancer

l_mac
10-28-2007, 11:41 PM
So rather than stick to the tradition of the tournament and maintain surface consistency of lead in tournaments (Basel, St. Petersburg, Lyon) they're just changing surfaces now when the big two say so?

I suppose next year Nadal will demand Queen's and Wimbledon get changed to clay so that its easier to go from the French Open through to Stuttgart...


Seems reasonable ... and while they are at it they can change Indian Wells and Miami to clay too :lol:

Sunset of Age
10-28-2007, 11:46 PM
I was sure I'd read somewhere that Fed said his feet kept sticking to the surface, but I can't find it so I might have imagined it :lol:

I did find this partial translation of this article http://www.grandchelem.net/mon_weblog/2007/10/jean-franois-ca.html which made me laugh a lot.

Thankees! Hadn't seen that one... :lol: at Fed and his 'psychological problems' with the surface...

Seems reasonable ... and while they are at it they can change Indian Wells and Miami to clay too :lol:

Nah... make it GRASS, all of them! :mad: :cool:

ReturnWinner
10-28-2007, 11:47 PM
so just Because both Nadal and Federer did not like indoor carpet then they had to change it, pathetic.

MrExcel
10-28-2007, 11:55 PM
I was sure I'd read somewhere that Fed said his feet kept sticking to the surface, but I can't find it so I might have imagined it :lol:

I did find this partial translation of this article http://www.grandchelem.net/mon_weblog/2007/10/jean-franois-ca.html which made me laugh a lot.

Let's call it a wooden court, then its as clear as mud

scoobs
10-29-2007, 12:55 AM
I don't like that they've changed the court surface to suit the world #1 and world #2.

Part of the fun of tennis is the different surface types that help out one player relative to another so that matchups are not stale.

I'm no fan of massive extremes like icerinks and swamps but if they go too far down this road, whatever next. I mean, Nadal hasn't ever even played Bercy and yet he thinks the previous surface has no value for his game.

It used to be that players had to adapt their game to suit the surface and now it seems that the surface is expected to be adapted to suit the player's game.

I do hope it's still "fast" like Paris indoors should be, even if it is a bit slower than it has been.

nobama
10-29-2007, 01:12 AM
Goodbye carpet. :sad:

ChrisDoesDallas
10-29-2007, 01:25 AM
Indoor carpet events always were my favorites, just the right speed I like.

Why must everything be clay or a medium/slow speed hardcourt now? :shrug:

ReturnWinner
10-29-2007, 01:33 AM
I don't like that they've changed the court surface to suit the world #1 and world #2.

Part of the fun of tennis is the different surface types that help out one player relative to another so that matchups are not stale.

I'm no fan of massive extremes like icerinks and swamps but if they go too far down this road, whatever next. I mean, Nadal hasn't ever even played Bercy and yet he thinks the previous surface has no value for his game.

It used to be that players had to adapt their game to suit the surface and now it seems that the surface is expected to be adapted to suit the player's game.

I do hope it's still "fast" like Paris indoors should be, even if it is a bit slower than it has been.

Nadal and Uncle Tony whined about the Masters cup surface in 2005 then last year it was changed :o

World Beater
10-29-2007, 01:39 AM
LOL. thats bullShi# from both fed and rafa.