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Horatio Caine
10-08-2007, 08:53 AM
Race to Shanghai - Top 25

Last update: Friday 2nd November 23:00 CET


01 (01) Federer 1306 (0)
02 (02) Nadal 1082 (11) - Paris SF
03 (03) Djokovic 894 (15)
04 (04) Davydenko 545 (8)
05 (05) Roddick 466 (15)
06 (06) Ferrer 450 (12)
07 (07) Gonzalez 381 (8)
08 (13) Gasquet 366 (10) - Paris SF

09 (09) Robredo 353 (18)
10 (11) Murray 351 (12)


11 (08) Haas 344 (8)
12 (10) Blake 342 (20)
13 (12) Berdych 337 (12)
14 (19) Baghdatis 320 (15) - Paris SF
15 (14) Moya 317 (15)
16 (15) Ljubicic 316 (15)
17 (16) Canas 314 (3)
18 (17) Youzhny 314 (15)
19 (25) Nalbandian 300 (0) - Paris SF
20 (18) Chela 285 (8)

21 (20) Hewitt 273 (4)
22 (21) Ferrero 272 (4)
23 (23) Karlovic 272 (11)
24 (22) Monaco 270 (9)
25 (24) Mathieu 264 (12)

Horatio Caine
10-08-2007, 08:55 AM
There seemed to be a lot of recent questions regarding the current race standings etc, so I thought I'd keep an updated record (daily) of the Race, up to the end of the regular season (and update it during the TMC). :D

The above list is the current race standings after Metz and Tokyo have been added.

How close are those points?!!! :eek: Should be an exciting final 4 weeks!! :woohoo: :bounce:

VolandriFan
10-08-2007, 09:01 AM
4 of the top 8 are Latin ;)

martine2
10-08-2007, 09:36 AM
Shouldn't Robredo be in "green font"? ;) He's in the Stockholm draw.

Labamba
10-08-2007, 09:39 AM
Shouldn't Robredo be in "green font"? ;) He's in the Stockholm draw.

He has withdrawn :wavey:

Saumon
10-08-2007, 09:47 AM
4 of the top 8 are Latin ;)

and 6 are European.

VolandriFan
10-08-2007, 10:19 AM
and 6 are European.

And all 8 are tennis players! :speakles:

Horatio Caine
10-08-2007, 10:37 AM
Robredo, Gasquet and Ferrer have withdrawn this week.

krystlel
10-08-2007, 10:46 AM
Robredo, Gasquet and Ferrer have withdrawn this week.
Where have you heard of Ferrer withdrawing? I don't see it anywhere.

Horatio Caine
10-08-2007, 10:55 AM
Where have you heard of Ferrer withdrawing? I don't see it anywhere.

I've not seen the official word anywhere yet, but I've been tipped off by a contact. I guess maybe I shouldn't have jumped the boat.

martine2
10-08-2007, 10:59 AM
He has withdrawn :wavey:

Ok, thanks!

Horatio Caine
10-08-2007, 11:49 AM
Where have you heard of Ferrer withdrawing? I don't see it anywhere.

Apologies, my mistake.

stebs
10-08-2007, 06:51 PM
13 points seperate Robredo in 8th and Ljubicic in 14th. Should be exciting.

l_mac
10-08-2007, 07:07 PM
Ferrer's official site has his next tournament as Madrid, but he does still appear to be in the Stockholm draw :shrug:

I think two from Ljubicic, Berdych and Gonzo will take the 7 and 8 spots, but I'd like Gasqet to make Shanghai.

Horatio Caine
10-08-2007, 07:37 PM
Moya and Baghdatis are both shocked in Vienna...they have it all to do in the upcoming TMS.

Deboogle!.
10-08-2007, 08:28 PM
13 points seperate Robredo in 8th and Ljubicic in 14th. Should be exciting.And only a few more for Gonzo in 7th. Amazing! should be interesting indeed.

Thanks jez :hug:

Horatio Caine
10-10-2007, 12:08 PM
Chances are that the standings will change a little bit today, what with bigger points on offer for R2 matches.

scoobs
10-10-2007, 01:21 PM
Very wide open race this year for the last spots.

Ivo#1Fan
10-10-2007, 02:40 PM
Apologies, my mistake.

No, you're right, he has been replaced in the draw by Carlson. That may turn out to be very good for Ivo.

jcempire
10-10-2007, 04:12 PM
Come on Blake./ Let's go

strastib
10-10-2007, 04:24 PM
thanks a lot for this ranking ! :D The folowing weeks will be so exciting !! :bounce: :crazy:

chjossic
10-10-2007, 08:23 PM
I'd like Gasqet to make Shanghai.


Me too .. great potential.
Ferrer did withdraw from Stockholm

ChinoRios4Ever
10-10-2007, 10:39 PM
Feña to 343 now vamos Gonza Truba :silly: :crazy:

Apemant
10-10-2007, 11:12 PM
Top 3 are set in stone, the next 3 are all but guaranteed for the TMC, but might shift places, and then... the next 176 have almost realistic chances to grab one of the last two spots :devil:

croat123
10-10-2007, 11:28 PM
i really hope ljubo and gonzo grab the last spot...if ljubo can repeat last year's performance in vienna, he'll be back in the top8

Allure
10-10-2007, 11:42 PM
Time for Gasquet to step up.

rocketassist
10-10-2007, 11:48 PM
Blake and Gasquet would be my preferred choice for the last two spots.

tangerine_dream
10-11-2007, 05:16 PM
If anyone's interested, the Tennis website keeps an updated chart of this:

http://www.tennis.com/features/general/features.aspx?id=106834

Here's the outlook as ATP tournaments in Vienna Stockholm and Moscow get underway:

OUT OF REALISTIC CONTENTION AFTER LAST WEEK
Baghdatis, Ferrero, Monaco, Mathieu

NOT PLAYING THIS WEEK
Roddick, Gasquet, Robredo, Berdych, Hewitt

CAN GAIN GROUND THIS WEEK
Ferrer (STOCKHOLM), Gonzalez (VIENNA), Haas (STOCKHOLM), Murray (MOSCOW), Canas (VIENNA)

CANNOT GAIN MUCH GROUND THIS WEEK
Davydenko (MOSCOW), Blake (STOCKHOLM), Ljubicic (VIENNA), Youzhny (MOSCOW), Chela (VIENNA)

jcempire
10-12-2007, 03:48 AM
And all 8 are tennis players! :speakles:

LOL, funny. most funny answer

jcempire
10-12-2007, 03:49 AM
Top 5 guys should got a ticket without a problem. 6-10, I don't know who be there. not so sure

Horatio Caine
10-12-2007, 07:59 AM
Will update the Race a little bit later on today...been too busy the last couple of days. ;)

Horatio Caine
10-12-2007, 11:42 AM
Race has been updated now.

Likely that Robredo's 8th place comes under serious threat today, as Haas can surpass his total by a sole point, with a QF win over Monaco. Meanwhile, an expected QF win for Blake would see the American sit just 1 point behind Robredo. :lol: Ljubicic can also come within 3 points of Robredo, with a QF win, in Vienna, today.

All of this means that Gasquet is set to drop from the top 10. :awww:

Jaffas85
10-12-2007, 01:21 PM
Should Gonzalez at least make the final of Vienna you would have to think that should he go on to do decently in Madrid and Paris (4th round/QF) that he should qualify at least 8th.

I'm hoping Gasquet qualifies but that will depend on how well he plays in Madrid and Paris as it's so close.

Horatio Caine
10-12-2007, 01:37 PM
That might be a big blow for Ljubicic...his chances will rest on how well he does in the final two TMS. :help:

Allure
10-12-2007, 09:50 PM
Gasquet better not mess up in Madrid and Paris. :mad:

Rgask
10-12-2007, 10:39 PM
Gasquet better not mess up in Madrid and Paris. :mad:
he wont....as he says he'll be sad if he didnt qualify...
allezz:devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:

Horatio Caine
10-12-2007, 11:09 PM
Race to Shanghai - Top 25

Last update: Friday 12th October 23:00 CET


01 (01) Federer 1171 (0)
02 (02) Nadal 1012 (11)
03 (03) Djokovic 820 (15) Vienna - SF
04 (04) Davydenko 502 (8) Moscow - SF
05 (05) Roddick 466 (15)
06 (06) Ferrer 424 (12)
07 (07) Gonzalez 343 (0)
08 (12) Haas 328 (8) Stockholm - SF

09 (08) Robredo 327 (18)
10 (09) Blake 326 (20) Stockholm - SF

11 (10) Gasquet 320 (10)
12 (11) Berdych 317 (15)
13 (13) Moya 315 (15)
14 (14) Ljubicic 314 (15)
15 (17) Chela 283 (8)
16 (15) Youzhny 281 (15)
17 (16) Canas 280 (1)
18 (18) Hewitt 273 (4)
19 (19) Murray 266 (5)
20 (20) Baghdatis 258 (12)

21 (22) Ferrero 256 (4) Vienna - SF
22 (21) Monaco 254 (9)
23 (23) Mathieu 231 (8) Moscow - SF
24 (24) Karlovic 211 (8) Stockholm - SF
25 (27) Stepanek 185 (4)

ReturnWinner
10-12-2007, 11:12 PM
today Esqueleto Chela wasted a very big chance to gain points for the masters

Allure
10-12-2007, 11:23 PM
The points are so close. 8 points separating Gasquet from top 8. :eek:

jcempire
10-12-2007, 11:50 PM
07 (07) Gonzalez 343 (0) Vienna
08 (12) Haas 328 (8) Stockholm - SF

09 (08) Robredo 327 (18)
10 (09) Blake 326 (20) Stockholm - SF
11 (10) Gasquet 320 (10)
12 (11) Berdych 317 (15)
13 (13) Moya 315 (15) Vienna
14 (14) Ljubicic 314 (15) Vienna


Tough to say who will up

TankingTheSet
10-13-2007, 12:21 AM
I think the player who did well this week won't have a big chance in Madrid, the guys that had a rest only need a QF or better in Madrid to take a nice lead.

ChinoRios4Ever
10-13-2007, 12:36 AM
Gonzo in real trouble :scared:

guy in sf
10-13-2007, 02:16 AM
I'm biting my nails for REESHARD!!!

Gonzalez88
10-13-2007, 09:23 AM
If Blake and Haas win the tournament??

mrserenawilliams
10-13-2007, 09:31 AM
So basically the Stockholm winner will be in 8th place?

Albop
10-13-2007, 04:25 PM
Blake and haas out :)

Merton
10-13-2007, 04:41 PM
Thanks for the updates, it seems that Gonzalez, Haas, Robredo, Blake, Gasquet, Berdych, Moya and Ljubicic are fighting for the last two spots. There are 29 race points separating Gonzalez from Ljubicic, a masters quarterfinal gives 25 points as a comparison.

I think the next part of the pack (Chela, Youzhny, etc.) do not have real chances now since they will have to overcome all those players listed above. For sure the endgame here will be very interesting.

Horatio Caine
10-13-2007, 05:05 PM
Race to Shanghai - Top 25

Last update: Satyrday 13th October 18:00 CET


01 (01) Federer 1171 (0)
02 (02) Nadal 1012 (11)
03 (03) Djokovic 833 (15) Vienna - F
04 (04) Davydenko 515 (8) Moscow - F
05 (05) Roddick 466 (15)
06 (06) Ferrer 424 (12)
07 (07) Gonzalez 343 (0)
08 (12) Haas 328 (8)

09 (08) Robredo 327 (18)
10 (09) Blake 326 (20)

11 (10) Gasquet 320 (10)
12 (11) Berdych 317 (15)
13 (13) Moya 315 (15)
14 (14) Ljubicic 314 (15)
15 (17) Chela 283 (8)
16 (15) Youzhny 281 (15)
17 (16) Canas 280 (1)
18 (18) Hewitt 273 (4)
19 (19) Murray 266 (5)
20 (20) Baghdatis 258 (12)

21 (22) Ferrero 256 (4)
22 (21) Monaco 254 (9)
23 (23) Mathieu 244 (8) Moscow - F
24 (24) Karlovic 222 (8) Stockholm - F
25 (27) Stepanek 185 (4)

Gonzalez88
10-13-2007, 05:05 PM
Vamos!!!

Gonzalez rest 7th in the Race

Horatio Caine
10-13-2007, 05:06 PM
The door will be blown wide open next week. :eek:

valexie03
10-13-2007, 07:37 PM
08 (12) Haas 328 (8)

09 (08) Robredo 327 (18)
10 (09) Blake 326 (20)

Interesting :cool:

tennisluckyfree
10-13-2007, 09:45 PM
Question: Can someone tell me the points breakdown for each round for Madrid and Paris?? like how many points for first round, 2nd round... to SF, F?

Thanks!!

Lee
10-14-2007, 02:59 AM
Question: Can someone tell me the points breakdown for each round for Madrid and Paris?? like how many points for first round, 2nd round... to SF, F?

Thanks!!

http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/profile/1536.asp

And those points are ranking points. You need to divide them by 5 to get the race points.

tennisluckyfree
10-14-2007, 03:02 AM
http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/profile/1536.asp

And those points are ranking points. You need to divide them by 5 to get the race points.


thank you!! :worship:

Burrow
10-14-2007, 03:04 AM
Come on moya or canas!!!!

Whistleway
10-14-2007, 01:49 PM
Question: Can someone tell me the points breakdown for each round for Madrid and Paris?? like how many points for first round, 2nd round... to SF, F?

Thanks!!

http://stevegtennis.com/factsheets/2007/a-madrid.htm

Horatio Caine
10-14-2007, 03:55 PM
Race to Shanghai - Top 25

Last update: Sunday 14th October 17:00 CET


01 (01) Federer 1171 (0)
02 (02) Nadal 1012 (11)
03 (03) Djokovic 848 (15)
04 (04) Davydenko 530 (8)
05 (05) Roddick 466 (15)
06 (06) Ferrer 424 (12)
07 (07) Gonzalez 343 (0)
08 (12) Haas 328 (8)

09 (08) Robredo 327 (18)
10 (09) Blake 326 (20)

11 (10) Gasquet 320 (10)
12 (11) Berdych 317 (15)
13 (13) Moya 315 (15)
14 (14) Ljubicic 314 (15)
15 (17) Chela 283 (8)
16 (15) Youzhny 281 (15)
17 (16) Canas 280 (1)
18 (18) Hewitt 273 (4)
19 (19) Murray 266 (5)
20 (20) Baghdatis 258 (12)

21 (22) Ferrero 256 (4)
22 (21) Monaco 254 (9)
23 (23) Mathieu 244 (8)
24 (24) Karlovic 236 (8)
25 (27) Stepanek 185 (4)


Very interesting Madrid draw...

Canas in big trouble considering that Federer lurks in R3.
Ljubo and Ferrer could meet in R3.
Haas and Gonzalez set for a R3 clash.
Blake and Gasquet could meet in R3.
Moya might consider himself unfortunate having drawn Nole for R3.
Robredo and Berdych set for R3 clash.

WOW! :eek:

Alex999
10-14-2007, 04:06 PM
Race to Shanghai - Top 25

Last update: Sunday 14th October 17:00 CET


01 (01) Federer 1171 (0)
02 (02) Nadal 1012 (11)
03 (03) Djokovic 848 (15)
04 (04) Davydenko 530 (8)
05 (05) Roddick 466 (15)
06 (06) Ferrer 424 (12)
07 (07) Gonzalez 343 (0)
08 (12) Haas 328 (8)

09 (08) Robredo 327 (18)
10 (09) Blake 326 (20)

11 (10) Gasquet 320 (10)
12 (11) Berdych 317 (15)
13 (13) Moya 315 (15)
14 (14) Ljubicic 314 (15)
15 (17) Chela 283 (8)
16 (15) Youzhny 281 (15)
17 (16) Canas 280 (1)
18 (18) Hewitt 273 (4)
19 (19) Murray 266 (5)
20 (20) Baghdatis 258 (12)

21 (22) Ferrero 256 (4)
22 (21) Monaco 254 (9)
23 (23) Mathieu 244 (8)
24 (24) Karlovic 236 (8)
25 (27) Stepanek 185 (4)


Very interesting Madrid draw...

Canas in big trouble considering that Federer lurks in R3.
Ljubo and Ferrer could meet in R3.
Haas and Gonzalez set for a R3 clash.
Blake and Gasquet could meet in R3.
Moya might consider himself unfortunate having drawn Nole for R3.
Robredo and Berdych set for R3 clash.

WOW! :eek:

Very interesting indeed. Good job Ljubo. Thank you.

dijus
10-14-2007, 04:30 PM
something about TMC, but in doubles
we know that Knowles/Nestor dont play with each other and we have same situation with Santoro/Zimonjic and both this pairs are very high in race ranking and they can play in TMC
my question is: will this doubles merge just for TMC or they will just miss this event?

Lee
10-14-2007, 06:39 PM
Knowles and Nestor will team up to play.

belco
10-14-2007, 06:47 PM
Knowles and Nestor will team up to play.

correct

Kuhne
10-14-2007, 10:09 PM
if Roger faces worst case scenaios from here on and loses in the first round of every touney heis in, every match and nadal faces best case scenario and wins all his matches, how would it affet the standings for shangai?

stebs
10-14-2007, 10:52 PM
if Roger faces worst case scenaios from here on and loses in the first round of every touney heis in, every match and nadal faces best case scenario and wins all his matches, how would it affet the standings for shangai?

In all tournaments being #1/#2 is the same.

KalleOnAir
10-15-2007, 01:39 AM
good luck Haas !!!!!

scoobs
10-15-2007, 05:43 PM
This must be one of the closest races in years.

There's still so many players who could yet make it if they have 3 exceptional weeks.

Deboogle!.
10-15-2007, 06:45 PM
This must be one of the closest races in years.

There's still so many players who could yet make it if they have 3 exceptional weeks.According to something they mentioned on TTC (or maybe it was in the ATP Tennis show) it's the closest race ever (but I don't know what "ever" meant - since they started the race I imagine)

Exciting:yeah:

DrJules
10-15-2007, 09:47 PM
This must be one of the closest races in years.

There's still so many players who could yet make it if they have 3 exceptional weeks.

I feel that is true for 8th place, but 7th is for Gonzalez to lose as he still has a 0 point optional to use.

Apemant
10-16-2007, 11:06 AM
if Roger faces worst case scenaios from here on and loses in the first round of every touney heis in, every match and nadal faces best case scenario and wins all his matches, how would it affet the standings for shangai?

Roger is 159 points ahead, there are still some 250 points till Shanghai if someone should win both Masters and Basel/St.Petersburg. Do the math.

yamakawa
10-16-2007, 02:25 PM
hopefully haas will go onto the best 8!

strastib
10-16-2007, 07:46 PM
hopefully haas will go onto the best 8!

nope, gasquet will do it :devil: :p

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-16-2007, 08:19 PM
if Roger faces worst case scenaios from here on and loses in the first round of every touney heis in, every match and nadal faces best case scenario and wins all his matches, how would it affet the standings for shangai?

Wont happen.

The odds are beyond astronomical.

If Nadal wins everything and Federer loses everything Nadal will be #1.

laure xxx
10-17-2007, 02:27 PM
Ooh Ferrer loses. So it should be Roddick #5 qualifier followed by #6 Ferrer in Shanghai you'd think. Ferrer no chance to move in front of Roddick before he starts playing again (after a 6 week break :help:)

RickDaStick
10-17-2007, 04:57 PM
Come on Ljubo win today and you jump a couple of guys

Tzar
10-17-2007, 05:49 PM
nalby position ATM plase?

Horatio Caine
10-17-2007, 05:50 PM
nalby position ATM plase?

#30 I think

Tzar
10-17-2007, 06:01 PM
Even after this win?

Horatio Caine
10-17-2007, 06:12 PM
Even after this win?

yes, and he is approx. 100 points off top 20.

DrJules
10-17-2007, 07:57 PM
Wednesday - a bad day for the year end master challengers.

6 (06) Ferrer 425 (12) OUT
07 (07) Gonzalez 358 (0)
08 (08) Haas 329 (8) OUT - Tuesday

09 (09) Robredo 327 (18)
10 (10) Blake 326 (20) OUT

11 (11) Gasquet 321 (10) OUT
12 (12) Berdych 318 (8) OUT
13 (13) Moya 316 (15 OUT

Gonzalez and Robredo are looking very well placed.:lol: :lol: :lol:

strastib
10-17-2007, 08:52 PM
Wednesday - a bad day for the year end master challengers.

6 (06) Ferrer 425 (12) OUT
07 (07) Gonzalez 358 (0)
08 (08) Haas 329 (8)

09 (09) Robredo 327 (18)
10 (10) Blake 326 (20) OUT

11 (11) Gasquet 321 (10) OUT
12 (12) Berdych 318 (8) OUT
13 (13) Moya 316 (15 OUT

Gonzalez and Robredo are looking very well placed.:lol: :lol: :lol:


You forgot Haas out ! :lol:

DrJules
10-17-2007, 10:30 PM
You forgot Haas out ! :lol:

That was not on Wednesday. The exits were all Wednesday.

tangerine_dream
10-17-2007, 11:10 PM
Three warriors and five headless horsemen. ;)

Margy
10-18-2007, 12:24 AM
And Robredo out also.

Gonzo is the only contender left this week...WOW...Lucky guy :D

Horatio Caine
10-18-2007, 12:24 AM
Race to Shanghai - Top 25

Last update: Thursday 18th October 01:30 CET


01 (01) Federer 1186 (0) - Madrid R3
02 (02) Nadal 1027 (11) - Madrid R3
03 (03) Djokovic 863 (15) - Madrid R3
04 (04) Davydenko 530 (8)
05 (05) Roddick 466 (15)
06 (06) Ferrer 425 (12)
07 (07) Gonzalez 358 (0) - Madrid R3
08 (08) Haas 329 (8)

09 (09) Robredo 328 (18)
10 (10) Blake 327 (20)

11 (11) Gasquet 321 (10)
12 (12) Berdych 318 (8)
13 (13) Moya 316 (15)
14 (14) Ljubicic 315 (15)
15 (17) Canas 295 (1) - Madrid R3
16 (15) Chela 284 (8)
17 (16) Youzhny 282 (15)
18 (19) Murray 281 (5) - Madrid R3
19 (18) Hewitt 273 (4)
20 (21) Ferrero 271 (4) - Madrid R3

21 (22) Monaco 269 (9) - Madrid R3
22 (20) Baghdatis 265 (12)
23 (23) Mathieu 259 (8) - Madrid R3
24 (24) Karlovic 251 (8) - Madrid R3
25 (25) Almagro 192 (8)


OMG what a day!!! :eek: :haha:

Come on Muzza...we need 2 more wins from you this week! :awww:

I think it is relatively safe to say that unless Gonzo does something stupid, the 7th Shanghai place should be his. But what a battle for the final place!

Horatio Caine
10-18-2007, 12:27 AM
Players competing today will add 10 points to their totals with respective wins.

scoobs
10-18-2007, 12:28 AM
Far from narrowing the gap for the 8th spot, this week could prove to blow it wide open if guys like Murray, Monaco and Mathieu can continue their runs.

Yappa
10-18-2007, 12:35 AM
So, since Murray and Canas are both expected to lose their matches tomorrow, it would need a player like Ferrero or Monaco to at least reach the final, to take the 8th place?

scoobs
10-18-2007, 12:47 AM
True but then they don't need to do it all this week - a good run here, another in Lyon/St Petersburg/Basel and/or a good run in Paris could seal the deal.

Impossible to predict what will happen, really. Still too many variables.

sunsfuns
10-18-2007, 01:31 AM
So, since Murray and Canas are both expected to lose their matches tomorrow, it would need a player like Ferrero or Monaco to at least reach the final, to take the 8th place?

Only Canas and Murray can do it with a final, everyone else needs a title. But of course, as scoobsuk pointed out, there is no need to do it all this week. SF for Karlovic, for example, would put him in real contention during the last two weeks...

Yappa
10-18-2007, 01:50 AM
Yeah, my mistake for somehow thinking that 70 pts are awarded for making the SF. Of course it's the final instead.

tennisluckyfree
10-18-2007, 04:18 AM
LOL, I can't believe all of them lost today..... :eek:

I guess they wanna save the best til the last, which is in Paris! :lol:

ChinoRios4Ever
10-18-2007, 04:39 AM
Don't jinx Gonzo guys, you never know with him :o

Alexiana
10-18-2007, 09:55 AM
wow, finally Tommy has some luck too :lol:

avocadoe
10-18-2007, 11:11 AM
Could someone tell me what the number in parenthesis to the right signify? Thanks!

Winston's Human
10-18-2007, 12:09 PM
Could someone tell me what the number in parenthesis to the right signify? Thanks!

It is the player's fifth-best optional point result.

Labamba
10-18-2007, 06:41 PM
Gonzo almost there :yeah:

avocadoe
10-18-2007, 06:59 PM
It is the player's fifth-best optional point result.

thanks. How does it come in play?

Okonsky
10-18-2007, 07:26 PM
Points for reaching: QF - 25, SF - 45, F - 70, W - 100

So, Robredo, Ljubicic, Ferrer, Haas, Blake, Gasquet, Berdych & Moya - lost theis chance for now. Roddick, Gonsales & Ferrer - allready in Shangai for me. Great oportunity for Gonzo. Battle goes on... (sorry for my English).

Tzar
10-18-2007, 07:38 PM
NAlby position ATM? :angel:

avocadoe
10-18-2007, 07:46 PM
Points for reaching: QF - 25, SF - 45, F - 70, W - 100

So, Robredo, Ljubicic, Ferrer, Haas, Blake, Gasquet, Berdych & Moya - lost theis chance for now. Roddick, Gonsales & Ferrer - allready in Shangai for me. Great oportunity for Gonzo. Battle goes on... (sorry for my English).

thanks BUT I was wondering how the fifth best tournament comes into play in the total calculations, if that makes any sense?

Deboogle!.
10-18-2007, 10:45 PM
thanks BUT I was wondering how the fifth best tournament comes into play in the total calculations, if that makes any sense?it could be important because next week there are 3 optionals that give a decent amount of points but people who have a higher 5th best have less points to gain next week...

Albop
10-18-2007, 11:07 PM
thanks for the work guys :yeah:

Merton
10-18-2007, 11:17 PM
I am surprised that Haas, Blake, Moya do not seem to play next week.

Winston's Human
10-19-2007, 03:40 AM
thanks. How does it come in play?

It comes into play with next week's optional tournaments. A players needs to better than his prior fifth best optional for the results in next week's tournaments to have any impact.

For example, if a player's fifth best result is 20 points, then he must earn more than 20 points next week for the tournament to have any impact on his race standings.

tennisgal_001
10-19-2007, 01:14 PM
Official: Roddick qualifies

Truc
10-19-2007, 02:52 PM
I am surprised that Haas, Blake, Moya do not seem to play next week.Haas is playing in Lyon, he got a WC.

Labamba
10-19-2007, 05:13 PM
I am surprised that Haas, Blake, Moya do not seem to play next week.

Haas is playing in Lyon, he got a WC.

Blake is playing in Basel with a WC

I would be surprised if Moya doesn't take a WC somewhere

TMJordan
10-19-2007, 05:24 PM
Does the Donut man have a chance?

Lee
10-19-2007, 05:44 PM
Does the Donut man have a chance?

A very very slim chance. He needs to win both Madrid and Paris while Haas, Blake, Robredo, etc not gaining any points with in Paris and any tournament next week.

TMJordan
10-19-2007, 05:49 PM
A very very slim chance. He needs to win both Madrid and Paris while Haas, Blake, Robredo, etc not gaining any points with in Paris and any tournament next week.

In other words, no chance in hell ;)

Anyways good win today :aparty:

Horatio Caine
10-19-2007, 11:28 PM
Race to Shanghai - Top 25

Last update: Saturday 20th October 00:30 CET


01 (01) Federer 1216 (0) - Madrid SF
02 (02) Nadal 1037 (11)
03 (03) Djokovic 893 (15) - Madrid SF
04 (04) Davydenko 530 (8)
05 (05) Roddick 466 (15)
06 (06) Ferrer 425 (12)
07 (07) Gonzalez 368 (0)
08 (08) Haas 329 (8)

09 (09) Robredo 328 (18)
10 (10) Blake 327 (20)

11 (11) Gasquet 321 (10)
12 (12) Berdych 318 (8)
13 (13) Moya 316 (15)
14 (14) Ljubicic 315 (15)
15 (17) Canas 295 (1)
16 (15) Chela 284 (8)
17 (16) Youzhny 282 (15)
18 (19) Murray 281 (5)
19 (18) Hewitt 273 (4)
20 (21) Ferrero 271 (4)

21 (22) Monaco 269 (9)
22 (20) Baghdatis 265 (12)
23 (23) Mathieu 259 (8)
24 (24) Karlovic 251 (8)
25 (33) Nalbandian 200 (0) - Madrid SF


Kiefer almost into top 50...approx #51. On 119 points.

Tzar
10-20-2007, 02:24 PM
Nalbi wants SHANGAII! :D

rocketassist
10-21-2007, 07:02 PM
Can Dave realistically qualify?

LocoPorElTenis
10-21-2007, 08:30 PM
He is on 255 (8th place is only 74 ahead)

As his 5th best is 0 points he can still get another 150
in the next fortnight

So it is still a mathmatical possibilty

Mathematically possible, but realistically it's not. We pretty much needs to win Paris, which is unlikely, and on top of that get some points at Basel. Not going to happen this year.

jcempire
10-21-2007, 09:00 PM
01 (01) Federer 1216 (0) - Madrid SF
02 (02) Nadal 1037 (11)
03 (03) Djokovic 893 (15) - Madrid SF

Better look than last couple years

jcempire
10-21-2007, 09:23 PM
Nalbandian wake up, he may join final spot to master cup

Horatio Caine
10-21-2007, 11:24 PM
Race to Shanghai - Top 25

Last update: Monday 22nd October 00:30 CET


01 (01) Federer 1241 (0)
02 (02) Nadal 1037 (11)
03 (03) Djokovic 893 (15)
04 (04) Davydenko 530 (8)
05 (05) Roddick 466 (15)
06 (06) Ferrer 425 (12)
07 (07) Gonzalez 368 (0)
08 (08) Haas 329 (8)

09 (09) Robredo 328 (18)
10 (10) Blake 327 (20)

11 (11) Gasquet 321 (10)
12 (12) Berdych 318 (8)
13 (13) Moya 316 (15)
14 (14) Ljubicic 315 (15)
15 (17) Canas 295 (1)
16 (15) Chela 284 (8)
17 (16) Youzhny 282 (15)
18 (19) Murray 281 (5)
19 (18) Hewitt 273 (4)
20 (21) Ferrero 271 (4)

21 (22) Monaco 269 (9)
22 (20) Baghdatis 265 (12)
23 (23) Mathieu 259 (8)
24 (33) Nalbandian 255 (0)
25 (24) Karlovic 251 (8)

Horatio Caine
10-21-2007, 11:26 PM
Nalbandian wake up, he may join final spot to master cup

Less than likely...he needs at least 75 points (and 150 are available, for him), and that doesn't take into account what others do.

ChinoRios4Ever
10-22-2007, 02:45 AM
Gonzo's magic number? 400+ pts?

Truc
10-22-2007, 04:18 PM
Haas has pulled out of Lyon, he's sick.

*snowflake*
10-22-2007, 05:00 PM
Send that damn thing to Pics already!!!

Is Carlos playing anywhere this week? He needs to stop :shout: around and win some matches so i can fully enjoy Shanghai.

federated
10-22-2007, 08:53 PM
come on gasquet!

Daniel
10-23-2007, 05:31 AM
Gonzalez and Blake vamos vamos :D

Alonsofz
10-23-2007, 05:31 AM
Vamos Feña! :D

David Kenzie
10-23-2007, 10:26 PM
Can Federer secure #1 in Basel ? If he can it may be over for our hopes of seeing him in Paris next week.

Labamba
10-23-2007, 10:34 PM
Can Federer secure #1 in Basel ? If he can it may be over for our hopes of seeing him in Paris next week.

yes, if he wins it

Horatio Caine
10-24-2007, 11:40 PM
Race to Shanghai - Top 25

Last update: Thursday 25th October 00:30 CET


01 (01) Federer 1246 (0) - Basel R2
02 (02) Nadal 1037 (11)
03 (03) Djokovic 893 (15)
04 (04) Davydenko 530 (8) - St. Petersburg R2
05 (05) Roddick 466 (15)
06 (06) Ferrer 425 (12)
07 (07) Gonzalez 373 (5) - Basel R2
08 (08) Haas 329 (8)

09 (09) Robredo 328 (18)
10 (10) Blake 327 (20) - Basel R2

11 (11) Gasquet 321 (10) - Lyon R2
12 (12) Berdych 318 (8) - Basel R2
13 (13) Moya 316 (15)
14 (14) Ljubicic 315 (15) - Lyon R2
15 (15) Canas 299 (3) - Basel R2
16 (16) Chela 284 (8)
17 (17) Youzhny 282 (15) - St. Petersburg R2
18 (18) Murray 281 (5) - St. Petersburg R2
19 (19) Hewitt 273 (4)
20 (20) Ferrero 271 (4)

21 (21) Monaco 269 (9)
22 (22) Baghdatis 265 (12) - Basel R2
23 (23) Mathieu 259 (8) - Basel R2
24 (24) Nalbandian 255 (0)
25 (25) Karlovic 251 (8) - Basel R2



Apologies for the delay :angel:

Jaffas85
10-25-2007, 12:23 PM
Could someone please post who the Top 10 in the Race were just before the French Open began?

I'm interested to know where Murray was just before his injury affecting his ranking and race position.

Horatio Caine
10-25-2007, 05:20 PM
Could someone please post who the Top 10 in the Race were just before the French Open began?

I'm interested to know where Murray was just before his injury affecting his ranking and race position.






1 Rafael Nadal (ESP) 535
2 Roger Federer (SUI) 461
3 Novak Djokovic (SRB) 377
4 Fernando Gonzalez (CHI) 266
5 Andy Roddick (USA) 233
6 Andy Murray (GBR) 214
Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 214
8 Tommy Haas (GER) 210
...............................
9 Nikolay Davydenko (RUS) 205
10 David Ferrer (ESP) 198

Tom Paulman
10-25-2007, 09:00 PM
Berdych can still make it :worship:

stebs
10-25-2007, 11:07 PM
Without injury this is a conservative prediction of what sort of point total Murray would be looking at:

+22 for a semi-final performance at an MM event (surely he would've had at least one good performance in all that time)
+7 for 2R at RG
+15 for 3R at Wimbledon
+6 for a 2r at Hamburg (he almost certainly would've won the match he retired in)
+8 for Canada (a fit Murray never loses to Fognini)

Overall: +58

281 + 58 = 339

That puts him at #7 and that is being very conservative when you consider that a fit Murray could easily reach QF's at Wimbledon and both USA hardcourt AMS events as well as maybe winning another MM and performing better at the USO none of which were factored in.

All in all, a fully fit Andrew Murray would've had a top 8 position on lock down this year. A real shame that it hasn't happened, obviously the fairy-tale ending could still give him that 8th spot but the chances are very, very low.

Horatio Caine
10-26-2007, 10:50 AM
Race to Shanghai - Top 25

Last update: Friday 26th October 11:45 CET


01 (01) Federer 1253 (0) - Basel QF
02 (02) Nadal 1037 (11)
03 (03) Djokovic 893 (15)
04 (04) Davydenko 530 (8)
05 (05) Roddick 466 (15)
06 (06) Ferrer 425 (12)
07 (07) Gonzalez 380 (8) - Basel QF
08 (08) Haas 329 (8)

09 (09) Robredo 328 (18)
10 (10) Blake 327 (20)

11 (12) Berdych 322 (12) - Basel QF
12 (11) Gasquet 321 (10)
13 (13) Moya 316 (15)
14 (14) Ljubicic 315 (15) - Lyon QF
15 (15) Canas 299 (3)
16 (18) Murray 288 (12) - St. Petersburg QF
17 (16) Chela 284 (8)
18 (17) Youzhny 282 (15) - St. Petersburg QF
19 (19) Hewitt 273 (4)
20 (20) Ferrero 271 (4)

21 (21) Monaco 269 (9)
22 (22) Baghdatis 265 (12) - Basel QF
23 (23) Mathieu 263 (12) - Basel QF
24 (24) Nalbandian 255 (0)
25 (25) Karlovic 255 (11) - Basel QF



An update on the current standings, as of Friday. Today's matches take on huge importance, with QF winners in Basel and St. Pete adding up to 10 points to their totals, while QF winners in Lyon could earn up to 9 extra points.

Ljubicic will be hot favourite to raise the bar for 8th place to 345 points, should he win Lyon (as I'd expect him to). Berdych is expected to see his Basel run capped at the SF (should he lose to Federer), but a win, today, would see him hold 8th place (unless Ljubo wins Lyon). Murray has to effectively win St. Pete if he is to have any realistic chance of qualifying, in Paris next week. The latter also applies to Youzhny.

stebs
10-26-2007, 11:03 AM
Ljubicic will be hot favourite to raise the bar for 8th place to 345 points, should he win Lyon (as I'd expect him to). Berdych is expected to see his Basel run capped at the SF (should he lose to Federer), but a win, today, would see him hold 8th place (unless Ljubo wins Lyon). Murray has to effectively win St. Pete if he is to have any realistic chance of qualifying, in Paris next week.

It's all fantastic stuff Jez.

Are you going to do what I suppose some of MTF is expecting from you know and undertake the arduous task of explaining the possibilities of qualification pre Paris? If results go the right way this week we could have 8 in real contention for that final spot, even if some of the guys pull away we are going to have 5 or 6 in the mix.

If you do then good on you and if you manage to do it so that it doesn't confuse 90% of MTF you are a genius.

Horatio Caine
10-26-2007, 11:07 AM
It's all fantastic stuff Jez.

Are you going to do what I suppose some of MTF is expecting from you know and undertake the arduous task of explaining the possibilities of qualification pre Paris? If results go the right way this week we could have 8 in real contention for that final spot, even if some of the guys pull away we are going to have 5 or 6 in the mix.

If you do then good on you and if you manage to do it so that it doesn't confuse 90% of MTF you are a genius.

haha I'll see what I can do mate...although life is pretty hectic for me at the minute. I'll wait until most of the results come through for today's play before I try to make sense of it all.

But we can safely say that EVERY player between 8 and 25 has a mathematical chance of getting there (Ferrer and Gonzo are practically qualified). It's amazing the gap that has emerged from the top 25. I mean, Almagro, at 26th, has 192 points! :eek:

stebs
10-26-2007, 11:32 AM
haha I'll see what I can do mate...although life is pretty hectic for me at the minute. I'll wait until most of the results come through for today's play before I try to make sense of it all.

But we can safely say that EVERY player between 8 and 25 has a mathematical chance of getting there (Ferrer and Gonzo are practically qualified). It's amazing the gap that has emerged from the top 25. I mean, Almagro, at 26th, has 192 points! :eek:

:lol: It's almost as if they saw you making this top 25 list and thought, better make that a difinitive group. Realistically to have a chance you need to be within 50 points of the guy in the #8 spot. Then the guy in #8 can reach the R16 and still you can qualify with a final which is a bit of a fairytale but not beyond the realms of possiblity.

Speaking as a guy who is hoping for Murray to shock us all he would be in a decent position if he was within 30 points of the #8 spot before Paris. That would mean he would make it if he won for certain, if he was runner up and his opponents didn't make it beyond the QF he would be there and if he made the SF's whilst all around him bombed out in the R16 he would be there. That would be the situation if he won St. Pete's I believe.

scoobs
10-26-2007, 02:52 PM
Gonzo loses to Nieminen and leaves himself vulnerable next week still.

They should call this the ATP Wacky Races.

Who's the Hooded Claw?

scoobs
10-26-2007, 03:37 PM
Yep Ferrer just needs to start his first match and he's in.

Which is good news for him given his form the last 2 weeks.

Horatio Caine
10-26-2007, 04:24 PM
Okay, here is a small step towards working out all the qualification possibilities...

Here is a list of the guys that should be seeded for Paris (Roddick has already withdrawn), and will therefore receive a R1 bye:

Federer
Nadal
Djokovic
Davydenko
Ferrer
Blake
Gonzalez
Robredo
Haas
Gasquet
Canas
Berdych
Ljubicic
Moya
Murray
Chela

Their respective R2 matches take on huge significance. Winners receive 15 points for reaching R3; losers receive 1 point.

Horatio Caine
10-26-2007, 07:38 PM
Just waiting on Berdych, and then we can begin to calculate all the possibilities...

Merton
10-26-2007, 07:42 PM
Ferrer is through after the draw in Paris has Murray and Berdych in the same half.

Horatio Caine
10-27-2007, 11:15 AM
Race to Shanghai - Top 25

Last update: Saturday 27th October 12:00 CET


01 (01) Federer 1263 (0) - Basel SF
02 (02) Nadal 1037 (11)
03 (03) Djokovic 893 (15)
04 (04) Davydenko 530 (8)
05 (05) Roddick 466 (15)
06 (06) Ferrer 425 (12)
07 (07) Gonzalez 380 (8)
08 (08) Haas 329 (8)

09 (09) Robredo 328 (18)
10 (10) Blake 327 (20)

11 (12) Berdych 322 (12)
12 (11) Gasquet 321 (10)
13 (13) Moya 316 (15)
14 (14) Ljubicic 315 (15)
15 (15) Canas 299 (3)
16 (18) Murray 298 (12) - St. Petersburg SF
17 (17) Youzhny 289 (15) - St. Petersburg SF
18 (16) Chela 284 (8)
19 (22) Baghdatis 275 (15) - Basel SF
20 (19) Hewitt 273 (4)

21 (20) Ferrero 271 (4)
22 (21) Monaco 269 (9)
23 (25) Karlovic 265 (11) - Basel SF
24 (23) Mathieu 263 (12)
25 (24) Nalbandian 255 (0)

Horatio Caine
10-27-2007, 11:20 AM
Ferrer is in the wrong colour

He is IN

Corrected. Thanks.

stebs
10-27-2007, 11:24 AM
I hope it isn't an anti-climax in Paris. Although there are a ton of possibilities a fair few of them would result in the #8 spot being secured early in the week. I want drama. :p

scoobs
10-27-2007, 11:41 AM
You may be doomed to disappointment there.

Of the contenders for the last spots, only Gonzalez (37 points) and Murray (32 points) have shown any flair for adding extra points in the last 2 weeks.

gusman890
10-27-2007, 12:34 PM
If Murray wins ST Petes, his points from this week will go from 110(which is what he gets now for reaching the semis) to 250, which is 140 more then what he has on the projected list, meaning he would be about 9ish right?

Horatio Caine
10-27-2007, 12:40 PM
If Murray wins ST Petes, his points from this week will go from 110(which is what he gets now for reaching the semis) to 250, which is 140 more then what he has on the projected list, meaning he would be about 9ish right?

A Murray win would give him 326 pts, putting him in 11th place, with Blake (10th) on 327, Robredo (9th) on 328, and Haas (8th) on 329.

Jaffas85
10-27-2007, 12:44 PM
If Murray wins ST Petes, his points from this week will go from 110(which is what he gets now for reaching the semis) to 250, which is 140 more then what he has on the projected list, meaning he would be about 9ish right?

Should Murray win St. Petersberg this week then he will be #11 in the race:

#8 - Haas: 329
#9 - Robredo: 328
#10 - Blake: 327
#11 - Murray: 326

So to qualify 8th for Shanghai Murray will just have to out perform Haas, Robredo and Blake in the Paris Masters.

I think that seems probable (As long as going into Paris he doesn't feel exhausted after a win in St. Petersberg).

stebs
10-27-2007, 12:45 PM
Should Murray win St. Petersberg this week then he will be #11 in the race:

#8 - Haas: 329
#9 - Robredo: 328
#10 - Blake: 327
#11 - Murray: 326

So to qualify 8th for Shanghai Murray will just have to out perform Haas, Robredo and Blake in the Paris Masters.

I think that seems probable (As long as going into Paris he doesn't feel exhausted after a win in St. Petersberg).
All things being equal I would back Murray to beat any of those guys on an indoor HC right now but the task in hand is outperforming them in Paris and that would almost certainly take a victory over Djokovic. Quite a task.

Klaas_nalbandian
10-27-2007, 03:59 PM
murray closes down. it all depends on next week

sunsfuns
10-27-2007, 05:42 PM
All things being equal I would back Murray to beat any of those guys on an indoor HC right now but the task in hand is outperforming them in Paris and that would almost certainly take a victory over Djokovic. Quite a task.

Not necessarily. Haas and Robredo could easily lose early and Blake has a tough draw himself...

Horatio Caine
10-27-2007, 05:44 PM
Race to Shanghai - Top 25

Last update: Saturday 27th October 18:45 CET


01 (01) Federer 1276 (0) - Basel F
02 (02) Nadal 1037 (11)
03 (03) Djokovic 893 (15)
04 (04) Davydenko 530 (8)
05 (05) Roddick 466 (15)
06 (06) Ferrer 425 (12)
07 (07) Gonzalez 380 (8)
08 (08) Haas 329 (8)

09 (09) Robredo 328 (18)
10 (10) Blake 327 (20)

11 (12) Berdych 322 (12)
12 (11) Gasquet 321 (10)
13 (13) Moya 316 (15)
14 (14) Ljubicic 315 (15)
15 (18) Murray 311 (12) - St. Petersburg F
16 (15) Canas 299 (3)
17 (17) Youzhny 289 (15)
18 (16) Chela 284 (8)
19 (22) Baghdatis 275 (15)
20 (19) Hewitt 273 (4)

21 (20) Ferrero 271 (4)
22 (21) Monaco 269 (9)
23 (25) Karlovic 265 (11)
24 (23) Mathieu 263 (12)
25 (24) Nalbandian 255 (0)




Here comes the Flying Scotsman! :rocker: :bounce:

Still a must win final match against Verdasco, though. And Nando is going to be far from easy to put away. :scared:

Horatio Caine
10-27-2007, 05:47 PM
Not necessarily. Haas and Robredo could easily lose early and Blake has a tough draw himself...

The odds of all 3 losing in their opening round match aren't particularly good.

Sure, Haas may get a tough qualifier...and Robredo could lose to Simon / Starace...but Blake could hit right through Mahut (unless the qualifier advances from R1).

Wouldn't surprise me if all 3 win.

scoobs
10-27-2007, 05:55 PM
You also have to remember that the ones BEHIND Murray could overtake him even if the 3 ahead of him lose, if they go a round further than he does.

Horatio Caine
10-27-2007, 06:03 PM
You also have to remember that the ones BEHIND Murray could overtake him even if the 3 ahead of him lose, if they go a round further than he does.

Yes, and Berdych is particularly dangerous in that regard. Gasquet could also overtake him, but he is struggling with injury.

chris whiteside
10-27-2007, 07:31 PM
Whatever, considering the lenthy period AndyM was out injured this year it has been a phenomenal performance.

scoobs
10-27-2007, 08:04 PM
Could ANYONE PLEASE get enough points to stop Murray getting to Shanghai
tsk. meanie.

I devoutly hope not but the answer is "probably"

sunsfuns
10-27-2007, 08:08 PM
You also have to remember that the ones BEHIND Murray could overtake him even if the 3 ahead of him lose, if they go a round further than he does.

Of course. It's 90% certain he needs more than one win to have a chance. Beating Djokovic would be very difficult, but not out of the question either...

Horatio Caine
10-27-2007, 10:54 PM
I'm wondering just how much importance that Metz final has, now. Sure, no doubt that Robredo deserved to win, but had Murray managed to finish the job off, he'd be 11 points better off, which, coupled with a possible St. Pete title win, tomorrow, would have put him 8 points clear in 8th place.

Instead, we have the scenario where Murray has, once again, GOT TO WIN if he is to have any hope, while Robredo is sitting pretty in 9th, just 1 point off an ailing Haas, in 8th, and staring at a reasonable Paris draw.

scoobs
10-28-2007, 12:06 AM
I'm wondering just how much importance that Metz final has, now. Sure, no doubt that Robredo deserved to win, but had Murray managed to finish the job off, he'd be 11 points better off, which, coupled with a possible St. Pete title win, tomorrow, would have put him 8 points clear in 8th place.

Instead, we have the scenario where Murray has, once again, GOT TO WIN if he is to have any hope, while Robredo is sitting pretty in 9th, just 1 point off an ailing Haas, in 8th, and staring at a reasonable Paris draw.
I know. Or even beating Tipsarevic in Moscow.

Meh. For the want of a nail...it is what it is.

cherry@cupcake
10-28-2007, 10:24 AM
**need a nail-biting smilie**

I'd forgotten how tense it gets at this time of the year.

How many alternates normally go to Shanghai?

Jaffas85
10-28-2007, 12:01 PM
I know. Or even beating Tipsarevic in Moscow.

Meh. For the want of a nail...it is what it is.

Or if only he had won his 3rd round match at the U.S. Open or beaten Nadal at the Australian Open or the Madrid Masters etc. etc.

I didn't see the Metz final but how much of that final's outcome was determined by either Murray's serve weakening after the first set or was it more so Robredo just dramatically improving his game and resolve after the first set?

Had Murray won Metz and then won St.Petersberg you would say he would more than likely qualify 8th but now it's still up in the air.

dijus
10-28-2007, 12:04 PM
GL in Shangai, Ferru, so proud of You :yeah:

scoobs
10-28-2007, 12:20 PM
Or if only he had won his 3rd round match at the U.S. Open or beaten Nadal at the Australian Open or the Madrid Masters etc. etc.

I didn't see the Metz final but how much of that final's outcome was determined by either Murray's serve weakening after the first set or was it more so Robredo just dramatically improving his game and resolve after the first set?

Had Murray won Metz and then won St.Petersberg you would say he would more than likely qualify 8th but now it's still up in the air.
Robredo settled and started to play better, definitely. Like all the top players generally do, if you have a first set drubbing, you come out like you're starting over again and refocus at the start of the second.

And Andy's level dropped, no question - especially the serve. And with Andy, the serve is a big part of his confidence in his own game, if it's working pretty well his tennis tends to flow pretty well behind it, but if the serve is misfiring he gets very uptight and agitated and then the groundstrokes start to desert him as well. More than anything though, he allowed irritation with some linecalling to get into his head and give him an attack of the poor-me's, something he desperately needs to cut out for 2008.

History now. I don't think he had the race in mind much back then. Andy's a very observant guy and loves his stats and permutations and all the rest of it, and he's pretty much said he only really started to focus on the possibility of qualifying when the seeds all tumbled early in Madrid, and even more so this week as he's kept winning and they kept blowing it. At this point I think he is quite focused on trying to do it now, but we'll see if that ends up counting against him - it could infect his own play, make him nervous and tentative.

Jaffas85
10-28-2007, 01:42 PM
Obviously Murray's big obstacle in Paris will be having to face Djokovic in the 3rd round though if Murray can play his best and beat him I see him making the semis (by beating either Blake or Gasquet en route) where he will prolly fall to Federer.

I don't see Robredo, Haas or Blake reaching the semis so hopefully Murray can beat Djokovic and reach the semis therefore qualifying for Shanghai.

buddyholly
10-28-2007, 01:53 PM
I think Blake has the best chance, easier for him to beat Gasquet than for Murray to beat Djokovic.

Does anyone know if Paris is still a 5-set final? I can't find mention of the format on the website.

Horatio Caine
10-28-2007, 01:53 PM
Obviously Murray's big obstacle in Paris will be having to face Djokovic in the 3rd round though if Murray can play his best and beat him I see him making the semis (by beating either Blake or Gasquet en route) where he will prolly fall to Federer.

I don't see Robredo, Haas or Blake reaching the semis so hopefully Murray can beat Djokovic and reach the semis therefore qualifying for Shanghai.

Problem is that he really doesn't have a particularly good chance of beating Djokovic. :sad:

Besides, Nieminen / Monaco isn't an easy R2 match, so there is a danger that we get ahead of ourselves. :p

Klaas_nalbandian
10-28-2007, 03:37 PM
blake has the best draw of the 8th spot contenders

Horatio Caine
10-28-2007, 06:09 PM
Race to Shanghai - Top 25

Last update: Sunday 28th October 19:00 CET


01 (01) Federer 1291 (0)
02 (02) Nadal 1037 (11)
03 (03) Djokovic 893 (15)
04 (04) Davydenko 530 (8)
05 (05) Roddick 466 (15)
06 (06) Ferrer 425 (12)
07 (07) Gonzalez 380 (8)
08 (08) Haas 329 (8)

09 (09) Robredo 328 (18)
10 (10) Blake 327 (20)

11 (18) Murray 326 (12)
12 (12) Berdych 322 (12)
13 (11) Gasquet 321 (10)
14 (13) Moya 316 (15)
15 (14) Ljubicic 315 (15)
16 (15) Canas 299 (3)
17 (17) Youzhny 289 (15)
18 (16) Chela 284 (8)
19 (22) Baghdatis 275 (15)
20 (19) Hewitt 273 (4)

21 (20) Ferrero 271 (4)
22 (21) Monaco 269 (9)
23 (25) Karlovic 265 (11)
24 (23) Mathieu 263 (12)
25 (24) Nalbandian 255 (0)




Muzza performs his end of the bargain by winning St. Pete! :banana: 4 weeks ago he was well out of contention and now he can at least boast that he got within 3 points, should he fall short next week (as, unfortunately, he probably will). A brilliant achievement to recover so well...he should be very proud.

Horatio Caine
10-28-2007, 09:37 PM
Race to Shanghai - Top 25

Last update: Sunday 28th October 19:00 CET


01 (01) Federer 1291 (0)
02 (02) Nadal 1037 (11)
03 (03) Djokovic 893 (15)
04 (04) Davydenko 530 (8)
05 (05) Roddick 466 (15)
06 (06) Ferrer 425 (12)
07 (07) Gonzalez 380 (8)
08 (08) Haas 329 (8)

09 (09) Robredo 328 (18)
10 (10) Blake 327 (20)

11 (18) Murray 326 (12)
12 (12) Berdych 322 (12)
13 (11) Gasquet 321 (10)
14 (13) Moya 316 (15)
15 (14) Ljubicic 315 (15)
16 (15) Canas 299 (3)
17 (17) Youzhny 289 (15)
18 (16) Chela 284 (8)
19 (22) Baghdatis 275 (15)
20 (19) Hewitt 273 (4)

21 (20) Ferrero 271 (4)
22 (21) Monaco 269 (9)
23 (25) Karlovic 265 (11)
24 (23) Mathieu 263 (12)
25 (24) Nalbandian 255 (0)




With Murray's St. Pete win, we have a fantastic week ahead of us, in Paris! :banana: Muzza should be proud of his recent efforts...he was waaaaaay off the pace only 1 month ago.

So, Blake, Robredo and Haas...which of you will crap your pants first? :devil:

Horatio Caine
10-28-2007, 09:49 PM
I'm not going to go through the various scenarios as to who can qualify, and what he has to do etc etc...there are too many variables and there will be so many changes with every match that is completed. But, to make it clear, ANYONE between 7 and 25 can, mathematically, make it! :lol: For instance, Fat Dave has to win Paris, and hope that guys currently ranked 8th-15th don't make the SF; guys currently ranked 16th-17th don't make the final; guys ranked 18th-24th don't win the event.

However, for anyone interested in following their favourite player(s)' progress, here is a breakdown of the points on offer for each round:

R1 - 1 pt
R2 - 7 pts (seeded losers get just 1 pt)
R3 - 15 pts
QF - 25 pts
SF - 45 pts
F - 70 pts
W - 100 pts

Once we get to R3 I'll give it a go...should bea little easier, and of course some of the guys will have to eliminated by that stage.

Merton
10-29-2007, 06:03 AM
Gonzalez will miss the TMC only if two of the contenders make the final AND he loses at the round of 16 at the latest. For example, he wins one match ending at 395 points but the final is Murray-Robredo.

Kingofchaos86
10-30-2007, 12:45 AM
Vamos Fernando!!!!

buddyholly
10-30-2007, 07:52 PM
Gonzalez will miss the TMC only if two of the contenders make the final AND he loses at the round of 16 at the latest. For example, he wins one match ending at 395 points but the final is Murray-Robredo.

Even more difficult now, but unless the guys who have already qualified tank all their matches against contenders, then he should get in. But he should not feel good about it after today's showing.

buddyholly
10-30-2007, 07:56 PM
:yeah:

I cannot remember whether it is whoever has less tournaments played or whoever has the more points ammased at bigger events but there is a tiebreaker and Ferrer must've had the edge.

It was my mistake. Including Ferrer's spot there are 3 places up for grabs, so it would still have been Robredo, Ferrer and Gonzo.
And since Robredo must be the winner, on the other side of the draw, the next in line is Blake, who could get, at most, 70 points, leaving his maximum at 397, not enough.

stebs
10-30-2007, 07:58 PM
Okay.

ChinoRios4Ever
10-30-2007, 11:51 PM
Gonza Truba is in real trouble now :scared:

stebs
10-30-2007, 11:55 PM
Gonza Truba is in real trouble now :scared:

He is still likely to qualify.

FiBeR
10-31-2007, 12:00 AM
:p i want to see the bird man in shanghai.. he could put to test a lot of players :p

TeamID
10-31-2007, 03:09 AM
:p i want to see the bird man in shanghai.. he could put to test a lot of players :p

Agreed. What has to happen for Berdych to make Shanghai?

Tom Paulman
10-31-2007, 08:12 AM
Agreed. What has to happen for Berdych to make Shanghai?

Shouldn't be too hard for him, he only needs to beat Federer and win Paris or something like that :rolleyes:

Horatio Caine
10-31-2007, 01:26 PM
Race to Shanghai - Top 25

Last update: Wednesday 31st October 13:25 CET


01 (01) Federer 1291 (0) - Paris R2
02 (02) Nadal 1037 (11) - Paris R2
03 (03) Djokovic 893 (15) - Paris R2
04 (04) Davydenko 530 (8) - Paris R2
05 (05) Roddick 466 (15)
06 (06) Ferrer 440 (12) - Paris R3
07 (07) Gonzalez 381 (8)
08 (08) Haas 344 (8) - Paris R3

09 (09) Robredo 343 (18) - Paris R3
10 (11) Murray 341 (12) - Paris R3

11 (12) Berdych 337 (12) - Paris R3
12 (10) Blake 327 (20) - Paris R2
13 (13) Gasquet 321 (10) - Paris R2
14 (14) Moya 316 (15) - Paris R2
15 (15) Ljubicic 315 (15) - Paris R2
16 (16) Canas 314 (3) - Paris R3
17 (17) Youzhny 304 (15) - Paris R3
18 (18) Chela 284 (8) - Paris R2
19 (19) Baghdatis 282 (15) - Paris R2
20 (20) Hewitt 273 (4)

21 (21) Ferrero 272 (4)
22 (23) Karlovic 272 (11) - Paris R2
23 (22) Monaco 270 (9)
24 (24) Mathieu 264 (12)
25 (25) Nalbandian 262 (0) - Paris R2




Apologies for late delay. :angel:

Horatio Caine
10-31-2007, 02:30 PM
Now a HUGE opening for Muzza, following Djokovic's exit. The Scot next takes on Santoro (not easy by any means)...another MUST WIN match. With Blake/Mahut/Gasquet/Tsonga as potential QF opponents, a reasonable chance that Muzza can threaten for a SF berth, although Berdych, Robredo and Haas could still put a spanner in the works.

FedererSlam
10-31-2007, 02:31 PM
Muggay chances looking better now!

Elikian
10-31-2007, 02:52 PM
Made some calculations today:

http://home.hetnet.nl/~elikian/shanghai2.jpg

Nalbandian:
W (and Haas, Robredo, Blake, Murray, Gasquet, Ljubicic not SF. Canas, Youzhny not F)

Karlovic:
W (and Haas, Robredo, Blake, Murray, Gasquet not SF. Ljubicic, Canas not F)

Baghdatis:
W (and Berdych, Blake, Murray, Gasquet, Moya not F)
F (and Haas, Robredo, Berdych, Blake, Murray, Gasquet not QF, Moya not SF, Karlovic, Nalbandian not W)

Chela:
W (and Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet, Moya not F)
F (and Haas not QF, Robredo, Berdych, Blake, Murray, Gasquet, Moya, Ljubicic not SF, Baghdatis, Karlovic, Nalbandian not W)

Youzhny:
W secured
F (and Robredo, Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet, Moya, Ljubicic not SF, Karlovic not W)

Canas:
W secured
F (and Haas, Blake, Murray not in SF, Berdych, Gasquet, Moya not in F)

Ljubicic:
W secured
F (and Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet, Moya not F)
SF (and Haas, Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet, Moya not in SF, Youzhny, Chela, Karlovic not W)

Moya:
W secured
F (and Haas, Robredo not F, Ljubicic, Canas, Youzhny not W)
SF (and Haas, Robredo, Blake, Murray, Gasquet not SF, Ljubicic, Canas not F, Youzhny, Chela, Baghdatis not W)

Gasquet:
W secured
F (and Haas, Robredo not F, Ljubicic, Canas not W)
SF (and Haas, Robredo, Berdych not SF, Moya, Ljubicic, Canas not F, Youzhny, Chela, Baghdatis not W)
QF (and Haas, Robredo, Blake, Murray, Berdych not in QF, Moya, Ljubicic not SF, Canas, Youzhny, Chela not F, Baghdatis, Karlovic, Nalbandian not W)

Berdych:
W secured
F (and Haas, Robredo not F, Ljubicic, Canas not W)
SF (and Haas, Robredo, Blake, Murray not SF, Gasquet, Ljubicic, Canas not F, Youzhny, Chela, Baghdatis not W)
QF (and Haas, Robredo, Blake, Murray not QF, Gasquet, Moya, Ljubicic not SF, Canas, Youzhny, Chela not F, Baghdatis, Karlovic, Nalbandian not W)

Murray:
W secured
F (Haas, Robredo not F, Ljubicic, Canas not W)
SF (and Haas, Robredo not SF, Berdych, Moya, Ljubicic not F, Canas, Youzhny, Chela, Baghdatis not W)
QF (and Haas, Robredo, Blake not QF, Berdych, Gasquet, Moya, Ljubicic not SF, Canas, Youzhny, Chela not F, Baghdatis, Karlovic, Nalbandian not W)

Blake:
W secured
F (and Haas, Robredo not F, Ljubicic, Canas not W)
SF (and Haas, Robredo not SF, Berdych, Moya, Ljubicic not F, Canas, Youzhny, Chela, Baghdatis not W)
QF (and Haas, Robredo not QF, Murray, Berdych, Moya, Ljubicic not SF, Canas, Youzhny, Chela not F, Baghdatis, Karlovic, Nalbandian not W)

Robredo:
W secured
F (and Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet, Moya not W)
SF (and Haas not SF, Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet, Moya not F, Youzhny, Chela, Baghdatis not W)
QF (and Haas not QF, Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet, Moya, Ljubicic not in SF, Youzhny, Chela not in F, Baghdatis, Karlovic, Nalbandian not W)

Haas:
W secured
F (and Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet, Moya not W)
SF (and Robredo, Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet, Moya, Ljubicic not F, Canas, Baghdatis not W)
QF (and Robredo, Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet, Moya, Ljubicic not SF, Canas not F, Chela, Baghdatis, Karlovic, Nalbandian not W)
3R (and Robredo, Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet not QF, Moya, Ljubicic not SF, Canas, Youzhny, Chela, Baghdatis not F, Karlovic, Nalbandian not W)

Gonzalez
Not 2 of:
Haas, Robredo, Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet, Moya, Ljubicic in F, Canas, Youzhny, Chela W

Nacho
10-31-2007, 04:53 PM
wow thanks for all this work man :)

GustavoM_Fan
10-31-2007, 05:56 PM
Cagon Chela and Ljuba recently lost their matches :wavey:

Horatio Caine
10-31-2007, 06:46 PM
Nice stuff Elikian. Thanks for sharing! :yeah:

Denaon
10-31-2007, 06:49 PM
Michiel (Elikian) rules!!! :rocker:
Thanks for the calculations!!! :banana:

Whistleway
11-01-2007, 12:29 AM
The six probables for the last spot.

Draw:
Federer vs Nalbandian
Berdych (337) vs Ferrer

Santoro vs Murray (341)
Gasquet (336) vs Mahut/Blake (335, if he wins)

Robredo (343) vs Canas
Baghdatis vs Davydenko

Youzhny vs Haas (344)
Wawrinka vs Nadal

Points: QF +10, SF +20, F +25, W +30.

They are all less than 10 points apart. So, the one that lasts the longest :) in the tourney will get through.

Andi-M
11-01-2007, 12:30 AM
Nice work Elikian :yeah: thanks alot xx

stebs
11-01-2007, 12:40 AM
The six probables for the last spot.

Draw:
Federer vs Nalbandian
Berdych (337) vs Ferrer

Santoro vs Murray (341)
Gasquet (336) vs Mahut/Blake (335, if he wins)

Robredo (343) vs Canas
Baghdatis vs Davydenko

Youzhny vs Haas (344)
Wawrinka vs Nadal

Points: QF +10, SF +20, F +25, W +30.

They are all less than 10 points apart. So, the one that lasts the longest :) in the tourney will get through.

Anyone but Blake or Robredo would be fine by me. I have defended Robredo countless times but there is truth in the fact that he is not good enough to hang with the big guns. In fact, after what he has said about commitment I would add Haas to the list leaving just the young guns.

Elikian
11-01-2007, 01:06 AM
Updated my post with the losses of Chela, Ljubicic, Moya and Karlovic today:

http://home.hetnet.nl/~elikian/shanghai3.jpg

Nalbandian:
W (and Haas, Robredo, Blake, Murray, Gasquet not SF. Canas, Youzhny not F)

Baghdatis:
W (and Berdych, Blake, Murray, Gasquet not F)
F (and Haas, Robredo, Berdych, Blake, Murray, Gasquet not QF, Nalbandian not W)

Youzhny:
W secured
F (and Robredo, Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet not SF)

Canas:
W secured
F (and Haas, Blake, Murray not in SF, Berdych, Gasquet not in F)

Gasquet:
W secured
F (and Haas, Robredo not F, Canas not W)
SF (and Haas, Robredo, Berdych not SF, Canas not F, Youzhny, Baghdatis not W)
QF (and Haas, Robredo, Blake, Murray, Berdych not in QF, Canas, Youzhny not F, Baghdatis, Nalbandian not W)

Berdych:
W secured
F (and Haas, Robredo not F, Canas not W)
SF (and Haas, Robredo, Blake, Murray not SF, Gasquet, Canas not F, Youzhny, Baghdatis not W)
QF (and Haas, Robredo, Blake, Murray not QF, Gasquet not SF, Canas, Youzhny not F, Baghdatis, Nalbandian not W)

Murray:
W secured
F (Haas, Robredo not F, Canas not W)
SF (and Haas, Robredo not SF, Berdych not F, Canas, Youzhny, Baghdatis not W)
QF (and Haas, Robredo, Blake not QF, Berdych, Gasquet, Canas, Youzhny not F, Baghdatis, Nalbandian not W)

Blake:
W secured
F (and Haas, Robredo not F, Canas not W)
SF (and Haas, Robredo not SF, Berdych not F, Canas, Youzhny, Baghdatis not W)
QF (and Haas, Robredo not QF, Murray, Berdych not SF, Canas, Youzhny not F, Baghdatis, Nalbandian not W)

Robredo:
W secured
F (and Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet not W)
SF (and Haas not SF, Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet not F, Youzhny, Baghdatis not W)
QF (and Haas not QF, Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet not in SF, Youzhny not in F, Baghdatis, Nalbandian not W)

Haas:
W secured
F (and Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet not W)
SF (and Robredo, Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet not F, Canas, Baghdatis not W)
QF (and Robredo, Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet not SF, Canas not F, Baghdatis, Nalbandian not W)

Gonzalez
not 2 of:
Haas, Robredo, Blake, Murray, Berdych, Gasquet in F, Canas, Youzhny W

Labamba
11-01-2007, 02:06 AM
great work Elikian :yeah:

If Murray beats Santoro tomorrow, Nalbandian can't qualify even if he wins the whole thing

3rd round can't be enough for Haas, because either Gasquet or Blake will reach the QF

azmad_88
11-01-2007, 06:30 AM
its ok Nalbandian! im just glad you are playing better now!

go murray @!!

Sommarsverige
11-01-2007, 08:06 AM
Thank you so much for all this great work, Michiel :yeah: :hug:

Horatio Caine
11-01-2007, 10:36 AM
Race to Shanghai - Top 25

Last update: Thursday 1st November 10:35 CET


01 (01) Federer 1306 (0) - Paris R3
02 (02) Nadal 1052 (11) - Paris R3
03 (03) Djokovic 894 (15)
04 (04) Davydenko 545 (8) - Paris R3
05 (05) Roddick 466 (15)
06 (06) Ferrer 440 (12) - Paris R3
07 (07) Gonzalez 381 (8)
08 (08) Haas 344 (8) - Paris R3

09 (09) Robredo 343 (18) - Paris R3
10 (10) Blake 342 (20) - Paris R3

11 (11) Murray 341 (12) - Paris R3
12 (12) Berdych 337 (12) - Paris R3
13 (13) Gasquet 336 (10) - Paris R3
14 (14) Moya 317 (15)
15 (15) Ljubicic 316 (15)
16 (16) Canas 314 (3) - Paris R3
17 (17) Youzhny 304 (15) - Paris R3
18 (19) Baghdatis 290 (15) - Paris R3
19 (18) Chela 285 (8)
20 (20) Hewitt 273 (4)

21 (21) Ferrero 272 (4)
22 (23) Karlovic 272 (11)
23 (22) Monaco 270 (9)
24 (25) Nalbandian 270 (0) - Paris R3
24 (24) Mathieu 264 (12)

Elikian
11-01-2007, 02:06 PM
Thanks for all the kind words :hug:

As Labamba said:

Murray beat Santoro, meaning that the quarterfinal in that part of the draw will be Murray - Gasquet/Blake, so one of those will be in the Semifinals.

This eliminates Nalbandian :(

It also means that Baghdatis and Youzhny will have to win the whole thing now.
And also for Blake the QF doesnt suffice anymore. Because if he loses there, he loses to Murray, who was not allowed to reach the semis :)

Byrd
11-01-2007, 03:33 PM
Hmmm very close for the last spot, could go to the wire.

Klaas_nalbandian
11-01-2007, 03:46 PM
pity robredo won :(

Sunset of Age
11-01-2007, 04:25 PM
Great job Elikian! :yeah:

Keep us informed...

Voo de Mar
11-02-2007, 01:17 AM
I haven't enough energy to do a detail analysis. Tomorrow looks very interesting - 6 of 8 quartefinalists will be fight for the last two spots :) Ok, you are talking about Nalbandian, but in my opinion he has still theoretical chance to go to Shanghai.

Sheva
11-02-2007, 01:25 AM
Great day tommorow! Very much looking forward to it..Murray vs Gasquet should be a really great match..packed home crowd and two players with so much talent should be ingredients for a super match!!

Whistleway
11-02-2007, 01:32 AM
Probables:
Nalbandian vs Ferrer
Murray (351) vs Gasquet (346)

Robredo (353) vs Baghdatis
Youzhny vs Nadal

SF +20, F +25, W +30.

They are all less than 10 points apart. So, the one that lasts the longest :) in the tourney will get through.

Elikian
11-02-2007, 01:41 AM
It's getting all a lot clearer now:

Baghdatis:
W (and Murray, Gasquet not F)

Youzhny:
W secured

Gasquet:
W secured
F (and Robredo not F)
SF (and Robredo not SF, Youzhny, Baghdatis not W)

Murray:
W secured
F (Robredo not F)
SF (and Robredo not SF, Youzhny, Baghdatis not W)

Robredo:
W secured
F (and Murray, Gasquet not W)
SF (and Murray, Gasquet not F, Youzhny, Baghdatis not W)

Gonzalez
not 2 of:
Robredo, Murray, Gasquet in F, Youzhny W

Elikian
11-02-2007, 01:47 AM
I haven't enough energy to do a detail analysis. Tomorrow looks very interesting - 6 of 8 quartefinalists will be fight for the last two spots :) Ok, you are talking about Nalbandian, but in my opinion he has still theoretical chance to go to Shanghai.

Only if someone else withdraws.

Nalbandian started the event on 255 points. So winning it would bring him up to 355. Gonzalez already has 381. So he won't pass him. That means he can only go for the 8th spot.

Murray is playing Gasquet in the quarters. Murray had 326 at the start of the event, and Gasquet had 321.
The winner of that Quarterfinal will be in the semis which is worth 45 points. Bringing either Murray to 371 or Gasquet to 366. So one of them will always end up over Nalbandian, eliminating him :((

alfonsojose
11-02-2007, 01:49 AM
Gonzalez is out only if :
Misha wins and the winner of Gasquet/Murray reaches Final
Robredo and the winner of Gasquet/Murray reaches final

Voo de Mar
11-02-2007, 01:53 AM
Only if someone else withdraws.

Nalbandian started the event on 255 points. So winning it would bring him up to 355. Gonzalez already has 381. So he won't pass him. That means he can only go for the 8th spot.


Exactly.
I counted his points incorrectly and instead of 355 I had 375 :lol:

+alonso
11-02-2007, 02:16 AM
If Murray wins Paris and Robredo reaches the final, Murray would be on 381,
and Robredo on 378. Still less than Feña's points which are 381.
and If Robredo wins instead of Murray, but with the same finalists, would be something like, Murray 376, Robredo 383.
So I don't see How a Murray/Gasquet vs Robredo scenary would keep Feña out.

Merton
11-02-2007, 02:38 AM
If Robredo reaches the final he qualifies, as he will end with 398 points ahead of Gonzalez.

TennisShoulder
11-02-2007, 02:42 AM
I know that Nalbandian cannot now qualify for Shanghai, as he can't finish in the top 8, but what is now the highest position he can now reach?

The reason I ask is that there is always a small chance that someone could pull out of Shanghai...can he still finish 9th?

Kingofchaos86
11-02-2007, 05:02 AM
If Murray wins Paris and Robredo reaches the final, Murray would be on 381,
and Robredo on 378. Still less than Feña's points which are 381.
and If Robredo wins instead of Murray, but with the same finalists, would be something like, Murray 376, Robredo 383.
So I don't see How a Murray/Gasquet vs Robredo scenary would keep Feña out.

If Murray wins Paris He will end up with 426, and Robredo with 398. Gonzalez 9th with 381

Kingofchaos86
11-02-2007, 05:21 AM
I know that Nalbandian cannot now qualify for Shanghai, as he can't finish in the top 8, but what is now the highest position he can now reach?

The reason I ask is that there is always a small chance that someone could pull out of Shanghai...can he still finish 9th?

Nalbandian can finish 9th if he wins the title, and Robredo loses in the QF, and Youzhny doesnt reach the final.

TennisShoulder
11-02-2007, 06:06 AM
Nalbandian can finish 9th if he wins the title, and Robredo loses in the QF, and Youzhny doesnt reach the final.

That is actually quite a likely outcome...even though three things need to happen this week (all quite likely) and one thing the week after next (also quite likely) which is a player pulling out of Shanghai.

Don't rule Nalbandian out just yet.

Horatio Caine
11-02-2007, 09:30 AM
Race to Shanghai - Top 25

Last update: Friday 2nd November 09:30 CET


01 (01) Federer 1306 (0)
02 (02) Nadal 1062 (11) - Paris QF
03 (03) Djokovic 894 (15)
04 (04) Davydenko 545 (8)
05 (05) Roddick 466 (15)
06 (06) Ferrer 450 (12) - Paris QF
07 (07) Gonzalez 381 (8)
08 (09) Robredo 353 (18) - Paris QF

09 (11) Murray 351 (12) - Paris QF
10 (13) Gasquet 346 (10) - Paris QF

11 (08) Haas 344 (8)
12 (10) Blake 342 (20)
13 (12) Berdych 337 (12)
14 (14) Moya 317 (15)
15 (15) Ljubicic 316 (15)
16 (16) Canas 314 (3)
17 (17) Youzhny 314 (15) - Paris QF
18 (19) Baghdatis 300 (15) - Paris QF
19 (18) Chela 285 (8)
20 (25) Nalbandian 280 (0) - Paris QF

21 (20) Hewitt 273 (4)
22 (21) Ferrero 272 (4)
23 (23) Karlovic 272 (11)
24 (22) Monaco 270 (9)
25 (24) Mathieu 264 (12)


Winners today will score an extra 20 points.

Gonzo may need a strong drink if Robredo wins today...his Shanghai place will be in jeopardy.

Labamba
11-02-2007, 01:58 PM
Gonzo may need a strong drink if Robredo wins today...his Shanghai place will be in jeopardy.

Can't see Gonzo not making it, though he still needs to sweat it out.

TheHawk
11-02-2007, 04:14 PM
So Gonzo is in if Nadal wins tonight, right?

tufani
11-02-2007, 04:56 PM
So Gonzo is in if Nadal wins tonight, right?
yep, right.

Horatio Caine
11-02-2007, 05:06 PM
BOL to Gasquet and Murray...the winner is 80% favourite to make it to Shanghai, with only a SF defeat AND Baggy/Misha winning the title, preventing either one of them from flying to Shanghai.

enqvistfan
11-02-2007, 05:10 PM
I'll be the biggest fan of Nadal today !!! VAMOS !!!!

So Gonzo is in if Nadal wins tonight, right?

TheHawk
11-02-2007, 05:13 PM
hehe, many Gonzo fans will cheer Nadal today I feel :)

CmonAussie
11-02-2007, 05:16 PM
hehe, many Gonzo fans will cheer Nadal today I feel :)


count me in;)

GONZO is exciting to watch, & if he makes Shanghai i think he`ll relax [RR format] & maybe play some of his best tennis again:cool:

Byrd
11-02-2007, 05:45 PM
Youzhny over Murray in the final would be suit me good.

stebs
11-02-2007, 05:47 PM
Youzhny over Murray in the final would be suit me good.

If Youzhny pulled that off it would be unbeliavable considering that even though he has reached the QF here he is hardly playing well.

ChinoRios4Ever
11-02-2007, 06:02 PM
Rafatard for a day :devil:

Alonsofz
11-02-2007, 06:03 PM
^ same for me :devil:

*Viva Chile*
11-02-2007, 06:50 PM
Count me in the bandwagon too :p

jenglisbe
11-02-2007, 07:20 PM
It's crazy how many guys were in the race for the last spots at this one tournament!! Have this many guys ever been in it this late?

ChinoRios4Ever
11-02-2007, 08:54 PM
congrats Gonzo :banana: :woohoo:

TULY
11-02-2007, 09:03 PM
last spot for Richard please!

Labamba
11-02-2007, 09:14 PM
Gonzo :yeah:

all of this years Grand Slam finalists will be in Shanghai

Johnny Groove
11-02-2007, 09:19 PM
Spots 1-7 are decided :)

Winner of Murray/Gasquet match will most likely make it to Shanghai. The only way he wouldnt would be if he lost to Dave and Baggy won it all.

enqvistfan
11-02-2007, 09:22 PM
Feña, congrats :woohoo: and big "gracias" to Rafa :worship:

alfonsojose
11-02-2007, 10:29 PM
Congrats to Gonzalez. :D

Horatio Caine
11-02-2007, 11:36 PM
Race to Shanghai - Top 25

Last update: Friday 2nd November 23:00 CET


01 (01) Federer 1306 (0)
02 (02) Nadal 1082 (11) - Paris SF
03 (03) Djokovic 894 (15)
04 (04) Davydenko 545 (8)
05 (05) Roddick 466 (15)
06 (06) Ferrer 450 (12)
07 (07) Gonzalez 381 (8)
08 (13) Gasquet 366 (10) - Paris SF

09 (09) Robredo 353 (18)
10 (11) Murray 351 (12)


11 (08) Haas 344 (8)
12 (10) Blake 342 (20)
13 (12) Berdych 337 (12)
14 (19) Baghdatis 320 (15) - Paris SF
15 (14) Moya 317 (15)
16 (15) Ljubicic 316 (15)
17 (16) Canas 314 (3)
18 (17) Youzhny 314 (15)
19 (25) Nalbandian 300 (0) - Paris SF
20 (18) Chela 285 (8)

21 (20) Hewitt 273 (4)
22 (21) Ferrero 272 (4)
23 (23) Karlovic 272 (11)
24 (22) Monaco 270 (9)
25 (24) Mathieu 264 (12)


Gasquet can only NOT qualify by Baghdatis winning Paris AND Richie losing in SF.

Voo de Mar
11-02-2007, 11:51 PM
Nalbandian might be an alternate if he wins Paris :D

shotgun
11-02-2007, 11:53 PM
I'm glad that Gonzalez qualified. Regardless of his current form, he deserved to be in if only for his impressive performance at the AO.

Whistleway
11-03-2007, 12:34 AM
The way Djokovic, Roddick and Davydenko are with their injuries and what not.. there's quite a possibility that atleast one alternative might end up playing.

DrJules
11-03-2007, 12:53 AM
The way Djokovic, Roddick and Davydenko are with their injuries and what not.. there's quite a possibility that atleast one alternative might end up playing.

Djokovic will play.

richie21
11-03-2007, 03:03 AM
The way Djokovic, Roddick and Davydenko are with their injuries and what not.. there's quite a possibility that atleast one alternative might end up playing.


I truly hope Murray will make it instead of Roddich or Davydenko.:)

scoobs
11-03-2007, 03:08 AM
The suggestions coming from the Murray camp (not confirmed) is that he won't go as an alternate...get the feeling he wanted to take his place there on merit by qualifying as one of the top eight, or wait until next year to try again.

Kolya
11-03-2007, 03:36 AM
So only Baghdatis can take Gasquet's spot?

Deboogle!.
11-03-2007, 03:59 AM
The suggestions coming from the Murray camp (not confirmed) is that he won't go as an alternate...get the feeling he wanted to take his place there on merit by qualifying as one of the top eight, or wait until next year to try again.Yeah, that's pretty much what he himself said http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article2797404.ece

Merton
11-03-2007, 04:06 AM
The point seems moot, I expect all the top-8 to show up in Shanghai.

Allure
11-03-2007, 04:22 AM
Yeah, that's pretty much what he himself said http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article2797404.ece

It seems like he said he doesn't want to go Shanghai as an alternate because it's likely no one would pull out. Not because he's prideful.

Whistleway
11-03-2007, 04:37 AM
get the feeling he wanted to take his place there on merit by qualifying

Yeah sure, he's Saint Murray after all.

Allure
11-03-2007, 04:42 AM
Yeah sure, he's Saint Murray after all.

:lol:

scoobs
11-03-2007, 12:19 PM
It seems like he said he doesn't want to go Shanghai as an alternate because it's likely no one would pull out. Not because he's prideful.
I don't think it's so much pride as feeling like he had the chance to go there directly on merit, didn't take it, and now doesn't feel like he deserves to be there as a result of other people withdrawing.

I expect all the top 8 to be there, with 1 withdrawal at the most, so for my money I'd rather he used the time to rest and get ready to get down to work preparing for 2008. He knows he has a lot of things still to work on.

Fee
11-03-2007, 06:43 PM
With Baghdatis' loss today, Gasquet has now earned the 8th spot outright. As of right now the alternates are Robredo and Murray, in that order.

One alternate is always flown to Shanghai for the first day even if all 8 players are already there and practicing. A few years ago, they had to dip down to about the 12th guy in the race to fill that spot because the others did not want to go. I'm sure someone will take it, and the money.

Merton
11-03-2007, 06:53 PM
Congrats to Gasquet, Murray will end the year in the top-10 unless Nalbandian wins the tournament (quite likely imo). Still, I doubt many people would have forecasted after the US Open that Murray would finish the year in the top-10 or very close to it.

DrJules
11-03-2007, 07:46 PM
We now no who the top 8 points scorers are. I hasten to add not necessarily the "best" 8 players. 5 of the 8 players that have qualified have 1 thing in common; they have lost to non-qualifier Nalbandian in the last 3 weeks. Unless Nadal wins tomorrow none will have a victory against him in the last 3 weeks.

neenah
11-03-2007, 07:58 PM
We now no who the top 8 points scorers are. I hasten to add not necessarily the "best" 8 players. 5 of the 8 players that have qualified have 1 thing in common; they have lost to non-qualifier Nalbandian in the last 3 weeks. Unless Nadal wins tomorrow none will have a victory against him in the last 3 weeks.

Nalby is the true number 1! :haha:

All jokes aside, that's an interesting fact. What in the world was Nalbandian doing this year until the past month??