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ATP announces events awarded '500' status for 2009

nobama
10-04-2007, 12:50 PM
http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/2007news/500s.asp

ATP Unveils New Tier of "500" Events For 2009 & $1 Billion Investment into ATP Tour

The ATP, governing body of the men's professional tennis circuit, announced today 10 cities that have been awarded "500" status for the new-look 2009 ATP Tour. The 10 are:

Rotterdam
Dubai
Acapulco
Memphis
Barcelona
Washington DC
Beijing
Tokyo
Basel
Valencia

In addition, Hamburg has been reserved a "500" level week. Between them, the 10 announced today will make a financial commitment to the Tour of $20.7 million from 2009, an increase in prize money of 118% over 2008 for these events.

Offering 500 points for each champion, the "500" tournaments will create a global standard tier of premium tournaments and ensure a stronger broadcast and sponsor proposition from 2009. Designed to complement the nine "1000" events and World Tour Finals in London, the "500s" will be backed by a top player commitment to play four a year, including one "500" event post-US Open.

From 2009, the calendar changes to the ATP Tour will showcase the sport, ensure a healthier player schedule and offer a far more attractive proposition to broadcast and sponsor partners. The 2009 calendar will also ensure increased facility investment for men's tennis. Between them the "500" tournaments alone will bring over $200 million of facility investment into new stadia builds at Acapulco, Beijing and Valencia; as well as existing facility upgrades in Barcelona, Rotterdam, Dubai and Memphis. This follows the $600 million investment into upgrades and new facilities via the "1000" tournaments. With $200 million of committed marketing support, prize money and other investment, the "1000" and "500" tournaments will see $1 billion invested into men's tennis from 2009.

"The changes we are undertaking represent the biggest shake up of the ATP Tour since its inception but reflect a true appetite for the sport in emerging and key markets; as well as an expression of ambition and confidence in the future. In total more than $1 billion of added capital and increases in tournament 'on site financial' commitments will be made," said Etienne de Villiers, Executive Chairman of the ATP. "Our objective has been to provide a Tour structure that tells the best story of our global circuit. We need to have the best players playing in the best stadia, in the best markets at the right time. Our players, fans, tournaments and sponsors deserve a world class Tour and that is what we will be giving them in 2009."

World No. 1 Roger Federer welcomed the announcement: "This is fantastic news for the ATP Tour and I am delighted in particular that my hometown Basel has been awarded "500" status for 2009. The ATP is making some exciting changes to ensure the sport continues to grow on a global level."

The "1000" and "500" events will be strategically placed in the new calendar to ensure 'swings' of events leading into the sport's five 'pillars' - the four Grand Slams and the ATP World Tour Finals. In addition, post US Open, the calendar will be strengthened by an Asian swing of three weeks that will showcase the world's best players at new tournaments - "Shanghai 1000", and the Tokyo and Beijing "500's". This will be followed by an enhanced European indoor swing comprising of two new "500" events in Valencia and Basel as well as the Paris "1000". The swing, and season, will conclude at the new look ATP World Tour Finals in London's iconic O2 Arena.

"We are delighted that Tokyo has been awarded "500" status for 2009," said Tokyo Tournament Director Sanji Arisawa. "These are exciting times for the ATP Tour and particularly for men's tennis in Asia. An Asian swing of tournaments that will see the world's best players in some of the most spectacular venues is wonderful news for the millions of tennis fans in our region. This is a bold and exciting move by the ATP Tour and one that all the tournaments in our region fully support."

Tennis fans will be able to follow these 'swings' both live and on TV via new Premium Tour packages. Comprising of 20 premier events that will include "1000's", "500's" , the ATP World Tour Finals and other key regional events, the packages will offer a far more attractive proposition and will be sold by ATP Media to all major global broadcasters.

Launching in 2009, the ATP Tour will undergo its largest set of changes since its creation in 1990. As well as new tournaments and a record breaking level of prize money, the ATP will also introduce a new brand look and identity based on extensive consumer research and designed to make the Tour more fan friendly by linking tournaments to their winners ranking point levels of either "1000", "500" or "250".

The new look calendar, with its revised scheduling will be published in its entirety at the Tennis Masters Cup in Shanghai.

Action Jackson
10-04-2007, 12:52 PM
Nice PR stunt.

Jaffas85
10-04-2007, 12:55 PM
I wonder how important it would be to Nadal to win the Hamburg Masters title the last year it is a 'Masters' event in 2008?

Its the only significant clay court event he's never won.

Frederick16
10-04-2007, 12:57 PM
strange to see that some not so well attended and with big player field tournies now have great players because of the 500 rule. rotterdam deserves it for sure i think

MrExcel
10-04-2007, 12:57 PM
Asia with two '500s' in close proximity with a '1000' straight after? I know money talks but that's a lot of big tournaments...

Valencia indoors after Basel? I wonder what the indoor schedule will look like...

Adler
10-04-2007, 01:00 PM
Two events in Valencia? Aaah, the same mistake once again (like Sydney, Tokyo and many many more before)

Action Jackson
10-04-2007, 01:02 PM
Two events in Valencia? Aaah, the same mistake once again (like Sydney, Tokyo and many many more before)

Exactly.

LeChuck
10-04-2007, 01:04 PM
What a joke this all is.

krystlel
10-04-2007, 01:04 PM
Hmm, making the top players play four a year is a lot. I don't like it because it degrades all the other tournaments, some which are better than the list here. But on the other hand, it might improve television coverage.

I don't like that Beijing was given the 500 status given the awful attendance figures.

LeChuck
10-04-2007, 01:05 PM
Doubling ranking points at events right across the board, what purpose does that serve?

Gulliver
10-04-2007, 01:08 PM
Does that mean that the current outdoor clay in April in Valencia will be superseded by indoor hard/synthetic in the European indoor swing in Autumn 2009?

Jaffas85
10-04-2007, 01:08 PM
So Grand Slams are now 2000 to the winner? And how much for the finalist and semi finalist?

Action Jackson
10-04-2007, 01:08 PM
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Labamba
10-04-2007, 01:13 PM
Beijing and Valencia as 500's is a joke

LeChuck
10-04-2007, 01:14 PM
Beijing and Valencia as 500's is a joke

I agree

Action Jackson
10-04-2007, 01:15 PM
Beijing and Valencia as 500's is a joke

Beijing, must have been some huge backhanders.

Valencia what do the ATP get free paella for 30 years.

Labamba
10-04-2007, 01:23 PM
Valencia indoors :scratch:

They must build a new stadium and I guess the clay tournament will be scrapped

scarecrows
10-04-2007, 01:23 PM
what's the point of having an indoor tournament in one of the sunniest cities of Europe?

Labamba
10-04-2007, 01:25 PM
In addition, Hamburg has been reserved a "500" level week.

What does this really mean? It's still a mickey mouse '250'

Bilbo
10-04-2007, 01:26 PM
the ATP sucks nuts

Saumon
10-04-2007, 01:44 PM
Valencia indoors :scratch:

They must build a new stadium and I guess the clay tournament will be scrapped

That's :retard: but I guess it's because Madrid has been moved to the clay season.

Was Beijing the tournament with zero spectators a few weeks ago? :rolleyes:

Action Jackson
10-04-2007, 01:52 PM
That's :retard: but I guess it's because Madrid has been moved to the clay season.

Was Beijing the tournament with zero spectators a few weeks ago? :rolleyes:

Yes, Beijing was that one.

They could have moved the indoor event to Germany.

rocketassist
10-04-2007, 01:57 PM
I hate you De Villiers, fuck off to the scrapyard, nobber.

nobama
10-04-2007, 01:59 PM
Why couldn't they include a grass event in the '500'?

myrt
10-04-2007, 02:00 PM
Increasing the points in underattended tournaments should draw more top level players and therefore more fans....it's all about the buck.

Henry Chinaski
10-04-2007, 02:15 PM
Germany got screwed once again. Disney goes on about markets all the time and there's a wealthy country of over 80m people who not so long ago were totally apeshit about tennis and they've got precisely f*ck-all of sufficient status to revive the game there. No wonder Mercedes wanted out.

Action Jackson
10-04-2007, 02:26 PM
Time to wear the "Fuck Off Mr. Disney" shirts at tennis events.

RogiFan88
10-04-2007, 02:32 PM
so they move Madrid to clay in the spring and Valencia to indoor in the fall? ridiculous...

Nadie
10-04-2007, 02:33 PM
what's the point of having an indoor tournament in one of the sunniest cities of Europe?

exactly :rolleyes:
they should have given it to Moscow :rain: :lol:

Saumon
10-04-2007, 02:33 PM
Time to wear the "Fuck Off Mr. Disney" shirts at tennis events.

I will miss him by a week in Paris. :awww:

nobama
10-04-2007, 02:42 PM
so they move Madrid to clay in the spring and Valencia to indoor in the fall? ridiculous...Isnt' Madrid going to be one of the combined ATP/WTA event? Along with IW, Miami, Cincy and Shanghai?

LeChuck
10-04-2007, 02:43 PM
Germany got screwed once again

You're 100% right.

Kitty de Sade
10-04-2007, 02:51 PM
Why couldn't they include a grass event in the '500'?

:yeah:

Thank you for posting, even though the article was as pleasant to read, as attempting to swallow a pair of wool socks. The proposal is more inexplicable than I had imagined. Disney....the ATP suit's counterpart to a bull in a china shop. Unreal.

Action Jackson
10-04-2007, 02:53 PM
I will miss him by a week in Paris. :awww:

Do you want yours in French or English?

LocoPorElTenis
10-04-2007, 02:55 PM
F*ck you EdV :mad: .
This is utter crap.
By the way, 250 events will not even reach MM category, more like top tier challengers. Right now, all ATP tourneys give at least 175 points, which after all the doubling is 350. Nobody in the top 20 will play any of these tournies anymore, except may be in their home country.

trixtah
10-04-2007, 02:56 PM
There is a lesson to be learned here, folks. Don't sniff the paint when you're a child.

aussie_fan
10-04-2007, 03:08 PM
Why couldn't they include a grass event in the '500'?

No Queens, but they have events like Bejjing :confused:

I honestly don't mind the idea but some of the choices for events stagger me. No '500' event before the Aussie Open, that's just silly.

l_mac
10-04-2007, 03:12 PM
Isnt' Madrid going to be one of the combined ATP/WTA event? Along with IW, Miami, Cincy and Shanghai?


Yeah, it is.

I agree with you about the lack of grass 500 :(

LeChuck
10-04-2007, 03:15 PM
I agree with those of you who think that there should have been one 500 event on grass (though at Halle, and not the snobbish shithole that is Queen's).

marcRD
10-04-2007, 03:28 PM
The positive side of this is no more master series back to back.

I would like to see both Halle and Queens as 500s, their status should have been upgraded and not downgraded...

Merton
10-04-2007, 03:35 PM
^Agree, now these events are demoted to glorified exhos before Wimbledon.

Action Jackson
10-04-2007, 03:38 PM
I am no fan of grass, but the grass events before Wimbledon have been pissed on for sure. Another one of Disney's great slogans was to give the grass season a big event.

jonny84
10-04-2007, 03:38 PM
Keep it with the Masters, International Series Gold, and International Series. Its much more easier to understand and more marketable I think.

I agree also that there should be a Grass Premium event too.

mir
10-04-2007, 03:38 PM
Isnt' Madrid going to be one of the combined ATP/WTA event? Along with IW, Miami, Cincy and Shanghai?

Thought so too :shrug:

Happy about Rotterdam hopefully the withdrawel curse will be ended now :D

Saumon
10-04-2007, 04:47 PM
Do you want yours in French or English?

English will do, thanks.

Nacho
10-04-2007, 04:54 PM
Valencia indoors? LOL

FedFan_2007
10-04-2007, 05:01 PM
Given that all this is slated for 2009, I give it 20% chance of actually happening. We know how "permanent" the round-robin idea was. I think people like the names "Masters Series", "Masters Cup", "International Series Gold". I'm willing to bet that Mr. Disney is sacked in 6 months and Monte Carlo will be kept as a Masters Series.

Kitty de Sade
10-04-2007, 05:05 PM
I'm willing to bet that Mr. Disney is sacked in 6 months and Monte Carlo will be kept as a Masters Series.

And the whole of MTF will spontaneously burst into song. Champagne for everyone! (willing and/or of legal age, of course.) :aparty:

tangerine_dream
10-04-2007, 05:11 PM
How will the average Joe sports fan know whether tournaments top out at '1000' status and that there isn't an even bigger '5000' tournament?

People know what the word "Masters" means. They don't know what '1000' means.

Action Jackson
10-04-2007, 05:13 PM
Monte Carlo already is a Masters Series and the day Disney is sacked can't come soon enough.

TheBoiledEgg
10-04-2007, 05:17 PM
amongst the 500

Rotterdam :)
Dubai :)
Acapulco.................. MM :lol:
Memphis MM :rolls: :haha:
Barcelona :yeah: :)
Washington DC :tape: MM
Beijing :rolls: :speakles: :o MM
Tokyo :tape: MM
Basel :) :)
Valencia :tape: :lol:

half those events are MM or worse.

NikolaBGD
10-04-2007, 05:19 PM
Can someone tell me how much points will be on Grand Slam then? 2000 for win?

Kitty de Sade
10-04-2007, 05:20 PM
How will the average Joe sports fan know whether tournaments top out at '1000' status and that there isn't an even bigger '5000' tournament?

People know what the word "Masters" means. They don't know what '1000' means.

Tangy, I am trying my best to spokeswhore as much as I can, in order to tip over the fence sitters in my part of the country. Nobody who isn't already a fan wants to listen. The minute I can't come up with a legitimate purpose about the nature of the scoring, for example- especially why it goes "love, 15, 30, 40, game, or ad/deuce points," my audience checks out. :sobbing:

Imagine what this latest twist is going to do. We'll be in more trouble than before. The average Joe will have turned the channel faster than Dr. Ivo's serve. :(

Action Jackson
10-04-2007, 05:25 PM
Can someone tell me how much points will be on Grand Slam then? 2000 for win?

Supposedly.

Action Jackson
10-04-2007, 05:28 PM
Mr. Disney is a product of his environment, that is the nicest thing I am going to say.

He has increased the gap between the old IS events and these 500 things, so it will be harder for the lower ranked players to get into these events. It's difficult enough as it is and if they win enough then they will get in as they do now, but the bar has been set higher than before.

CyBorg
10-04-2007, 05:33 PM
Valencia is a major developing city. It has backers with big pockets of dough.

Interesting to see Stuttgart get the cold shoulder, but I guess Hamburg will be played right around that time. And what's so important about Basel? How are Stockholm or Vienna any worse?

Action Jackson
10-04-2007, 05:34 PM
Federer is from Basel CyBorg, so it got the nod.

Jimnik
10-04-2007, 05:37 PM
Well, I can understand the idea behind this re-branding and trying to simplify the sport for the average fan who doesn't really know much. Also it could potentially generate a lot more TV revenue to sell the rights as a group of top tier events like this.

But then when you choose a list like this:
Rotterdam
Dubai
Acapulco
Memphis
Barcelona
Washington DC
Beijing
Tokyo
Basel
Valencia
You know this is heading for trouble. I mean Dubai for fucks sake, yes they have all their oil money, but this is not going to help boost TV ratings when you're playing in a tiny middle-eastern country with no tennis history.

This list once again underlines how national success dictates the health of a sport - Switzerland hosting one of these and Spain has two. Yes I agree that Germany has been pissed on here but really you wouldn't expect anything less. No German company is going to fork out the investment that Disney is demanding. It's a shame really because Hamburg didn't need much of an investment, the Rothenbaum Arena is already the most modern facility outside the slams.

The Asian's are only on the list to help promote the sport in a rapidly booming economy. The Chinese have built several spectacular facilities for many sports (some that they're not even good at) and tennis is no exception. But what they really need to invest in is the junior tennis academies and introducing young kids to the sport. No point trying to host major events when no-one watches them. You need to walk before you can run.

This is going to help those ten events at the great expense of all the other tournaments. Queens, Halle, Hamburg, Stuttgart, Moscow and St. Petersburg are now top tier challengers.

Action Jackson
10-04-2007, 05:44 PM
No, it just shows what a bandwagon jumper Disney is and how he doesn't think through things properly.

CyBorg
10-04-2007, 05:44 PM
Federer is from Basel CyBorg, so it got the nod.

Well, yeah. I figured that. But I was trying to think of it from a rational standpoint, rather than the Mr. Disney standpoint (which ignores that Basel is crowned a 500 event despite the fact that Federer will be 28 when 2009 comes and perhaps not even a number one player anymore).

Everything about these plans reeks of knee jerk decisions. Memphis is especially a hoot. It's good to see that Mr. Disney didn't forget to suck up to the Americans and the Arabs at once - business sans conscience.

dijus
10-04-2007, 05:46 PM
fak u disney

Action Jackson
10-04-2007, 05:48 PM
Well, yeah. I figured that. But I was trying to think of it from a rational standpoint, rather than the Mr. Disney standpoint (which ignores that Basel should be crowned a 500 event despite the fact that Federer will be 28 when 2009 comes and perhaps not even a number one player anymore).

Everything about these plans reeks of knee jerk decisions. Memphis is especially a hoot. It's good to see that Mr. Disney didn't forget to suck up to the Americans and the Arabs at once - business sans conscience.

I see what you were trying to do, but with Mr. Disney there isn't much rational thought process. I mean you don't piss off the existing fanbase to get the bandwagon fans and dumb it down, so they will get it. If they don't like it, they move to the next fad.

Basically it also is creating a clearer two-tier system, but yes knee-jerk reactionist is Fearless Leader. I mean when Ion Tiriac tells him to bend, he asks how low or high depending on the mood.

stebs
10-04-2007, 05:53 PM
This is a load of BS. Beijing? Valencia indoors? Germany got pissed on and so did the grass season.

Mr Disney needs to settle down and let someone with brain cells to run together sort things out.

dijus
10-04-2007, 05:57 PM
I see what you were trying to do, but with Mr. Disney there isn't much rational thought process. I mean you don't piss off the existing fanbase to get the bandwagon fans and dumb it down, so they will get it. If they don't like it, they move to the next fad.

Basically it also is creating a clearer two-tier system, but yes knee-jerk reactionist is Fearless Leader. I mean when Ion Tiriac tells him to bend, he asks how low or high depending on the mood.

calling him Mister and writing his name from capital letter is just too much mate
this disney is just load of crap

nolop
10-04-2007, 05:59 PM
beijing is paying its way into wta and atp no surprise they gave them a 500 status, but surprise surprise doha couldnt buy a 500 status :sad:

LeChuck
10-04-2007, 06:02 PM
4 out of the 10 500 events will take place during end portion of the season in between the US Open and Masters Cup (or whatever it will be called from 2009). That is ridiculousl and excessive. 1 on grass and 3 in that section of the season would surely have been a better bet (i.e. Halle instead of Beijing).
Buenos Aires is a better tournament than Acapulco, but Acapulco is a richer event and has more money to play with, so unfortunately it was inevitable that it was going to get the nod over BA.
Memphis :lol:
Valencia :lol:

nobama
10-04-2007, 06:05 PM
^Agree, now these events are demoted to glorified exhos before Wimbledon.
Funny that, considering many feel/think Wimbledon is the most prestegious slam.

stebs
10-04-2007, 06:20 PM
Memphis, Beijing and Valencia over Halle or Queens is a joke and LeChuck is correct when he says that BA should be getting the status over Acapulco but for Disney money talks louder than common sense.

RogiFan88
10-04-2007, 06:22 PM
Mr. Disney is a product of his environment, that is the nicest thing I am going to say.

...

you mean "Goofy"?

Björki
10-04-2007, 06:24 PM
Mr Disney you s*ck :armed:

Action Jackson
10-04-2007, 06:30 PM
you mean "Goofy"?

Lets say before Mandela.

This was how he decided which events would get the status.

http://www.izzys-party-shop.com/images/4976.jpg

belco
10-04-2007, 06:33 PM
they forgot to mention sydney i think :sobbing:

KitinovRules
10-04-2007, 06:39 PM
Well, Dubai absolutely deserved the upgrade since in the last 10 years has a line up similiar to Masters Series Event.
Tokyo apart of this year ,had also pretty good line ups.

But some very lame decisions like Memphis (what???? ):haha:
Acapulco?????

C'mon this is rediculous.

Maybe they missed to give absolutely MM-est tournament in Metz an upgrade LOL :haha:

Action Jackson
10-04-2007, 06:41 PM
Maybe they missed to give absolutely MM-est tournament in Metz an upgrade LOL :haha:

Metz is a Grand Slam compared to Newport, Mumbai, St. Petersburg or Cascahllenger.

l_mac
10-04-2007, 06:45 PM
Well, Dubai absolutely deserved the upgrade since in the last 10 years has a line up similiar to Masters Series Event.
Tokyo apart of this year ,had also pretty good line ups.


It's not an upgrade for Dubai, if anything it's a slight downgrade because it has 300 points for the winner now, and will only have 500 under the new system - the old MS events (1000s) will have 1000 points.

madmanfool
10-04-2007, 07:12 PM
Crazy, why is there no grass tournament in these 500? A lot of players (just think of Nadal who came straight after his Roland Garros win) want to play a tournament on grass to prepare for Wimbledon. So that's one Mickey Mouse tournament a lot of good players will want to play(queens or halle).

LinkMage
10-04-2007, 07:13 PM
Rotterdam - Agreed
Dubai - Agreed
Acapulco - LOL
Memphis - LMAO
Barcelona - Agreed
Washington DC - LOL
Beijing - ROFL
Tokyo -LOL
Basel - Ok
Valencia - LMAO


So every other tournament gets 250 status. Now International Series Gold give around 250 points to the champion, while International Series give around 175. This means the 250 events will be like glorified challengers. Who the hell will play these tournaments when the 500 events give twice as many points? Now there isn't much difference between points awarded at IS and ISG tournaments.

The grass season gets demoted to challenger status. Why the hell didn't they put Halle or Queens as a 500 event?

4 of the 10 events will be AFTER the US Open which is ridiculous.

There won't be a an important event before the Australian Open as a warm up. I thought they had money in Doha.

Germany gets screwed yet again.

They chose too many MM events as 500 events. I know the Chinese have money, but the stands were empty in Beijing a couple of weeks ago.

Henry Chinaski
10-04-2007, 07:21 PM
I think I figured out what happened here regarding Germany being screwed and Memphis getting 500 status. Let us not forget that the ATP is a players union so in order to give Germany a fair hearing Disney consulted their highest ranked player about what events should be upgraded. With memories of getting schooled by Karlovic in Munich and that life-threatening bout of hayfever against Soderling in Hamburg, Tommy Haas decided to sell out his home country and picked an event where he can once again win a title by beating 5 players from the American School of Returning without facing a single break-point in the championship.

LinkMage
10-04-2007, 07:24 PM
Oh, and top players will be forced to play at least 4 of these events? So they will be forced to play the 8 "1000" events plus 4 of these "500" ones?

I surely can't imagine players like Federer playing 12 non Slam events. I mean, he has only played 1 event (Dubai) outside of GS and AMS this year.

Deboogle!.
10-04-2007, 07:39 PM
Bye tennis :tears:

Action Jackson
10-04-2007, 07:55 PM
Federer plays more exhos than optionals.

GustavoM_Fan
10-04-2007, 07:57 PM
this is a joke...

Acapulco most important than Buenos Aires... :ras:

It is more than obvious than argentinian people is more interested in tennis than mexicans :rolleyes:


and about that 3 tournaments in Asia... just too much for that region....

they are apparently promoting tennis in that places... but I dont think that putting important tournaments places is the way...

same like RRobin: the method that was going to show all the best tennis ever to the fans :haha: :haha:

just I dont like the idea..
.....
and some of the tournaments selected really sucks...

maria_marie
10-04-2007, 08:41 PM
wtf is this man doing? these changes are ridiculous and leave all other tournaments without the top 20 players. As I see it, the list should more look like that"
Sydney
Rotterdam
Dubai
Buenos Aires
Barcelona
Hamburg
Halle
Moscow
Basel/Stockholm
Vienna
and I still insist that Cinci should be made non-mandatory like monte-carlo

plus I thought there would be ranking points for the davis cup but nothing like that mentioned here

RickDaStick
10-04-2007, 08:46 PM
Looks good :yeah:

Denaon
10-04-2007, 08:53 PM
I think Memphis is the biggest of all jokes there...:spit:

:rolleyes:

Too bad for Buenos Aires, it will surely lose the growth it's been having lately....:sad:

bavaria100
10-04-2007, 08:55 PM
Could somebody please get rid of Mr. Dewhatshisname. He is totally ruining the sport. I know that his predecessor wasn't that good either but he didn't pull random ideas out of his ass.

maria_marie
10-04-2007, 09:00 PM
I think Memphis is the biggest of all jokes there...:spit:

exactly. never had coverage for this tournament but all I know is that people go to play there to win a title without the competition of the big stars. I somehow can;t imagine someone else except Roddick, Blake or Hass attending this tournament. And ,come on, eastern Europe has no 500 or whatever number it was and I find this unfair :mad: :o

Bilbo
10-04-2007, 09:21 PM
I'm pretty sure Mr. Disney is sucking gay nuts while we are talking here

Denaon
10-04-2007, 09:24 PM
I'm pretty sure Mr. Disney is sucking gay nuts while we are talking here

Actually, they don't necessarily have to be gay....unless they're pink...:shrug:
:scratch:

KitinovRules
10-04-2007, 09:31 PM
and I still insist that Cinci should be made non-mandatory like monte-carlo



Oh no, Cincy is the oldest tournament ,the oldest venue, no way they will make it non-mandatory!

Washington upgrade, Cincy downgrade- LOL

mamasue
10-04-2007, 10:52 PM
Germany got screwed once again. Disney goes on about markets all the time and there's a wealthy country of over 80m people who not so long ago were totally apeshit about tennis and they've got precisely f*ck-all of sufficient status to revive the game there. No wonder Mercedes wanted out.
I bet Mercedes found out last week that Suttgart wasn't on the list and that was the final straw.:banghead:

ExcaliburII
10-04-2007, 11:12 PM
no Bs As :fiery:

DhammaTiger
10-05-2007, 12:03 AM
Asia with two '500s' in close proximity with a '1000' straight after? I know money talks but that's a lot of big tournaments...

Valencia indoors after Basel? I wonder what the indoor schedule will look like...

Correction it's 3 in Asia, Dubai, Tokyo and Beijing.

lunahielo
10-05-2007, 12:08 AM
I think Memphis is the biggest of all jokes there...:spit:

OMG~!!!You are so right~~and I live in Memphis!! What a joke! :) :(

When I first read this thread I thought it was some kind of stupid gag~~
It's not a done deal, is it? :rolleyes:

If so, someone needs a brain transplant! :confused: :sad:
luna

DhammaTiger
10-05-2007, 12:15 AM
It's all about money. The tournaments that can guarentee more money get the 500 status. Another of Mr Disney's cons.

nobama
10-05-2007, 02:10 AM
Oh, and top players will be forced to play at least 4 of these events? So they will be forced to play the 8 "1000" events plus 4 of these "500" ones?

I surely can't imagine players like Federer playing 12 non Slam events. I mean, he has only played 1 event (Dubai) outside of GS and AMS this year.It says 'top player commitment' but I bet the 4 '500' end up being non-mandatory.

nobama
10-05-2007, 02:12 AM
It's all about money. The tournaments that can guarentee more money get the 500 status. Another of Mr Disney's cons.Every sport is about money.

Johnny Groove
10-05-2007, 02:14 AM
wait, so they are forced into playin 4 "500's"?

Along with 4 slams and 9 TMS' (fuck off, disney, im still calling them TMs'), thats 17 mandatory tourneys a year :rolleyes:

LaTenista
10-05-2007, 02:18 AM
$5 Federer only plays Dubai in 2009.

GlennMirnyi
10-05-2007, 02:43 AM
Tennis is dead.

CmonAussie
10-05-2007, 02:45 AM
wtf is this man doing? these changes are ridiculous and leave all other tournaments without the top 20 players. As I see it, the list should more look like that"
Sydney
Rotterdam
Dubai
Buenos Aires
Barcelona
Hamburg
Halle
Moscow
Basel/Stockholm
Vienna
and I still insist that Cinci should be made non-mandatory like monte-carlo

plus I thought there would be ranking points for the davis cup but nothing like that mentioned here


:wavey: mine would be a little different;)

1.Sydney
2.Rotterdam
3.Buenos Aires
4.Barcelona
5.Hamburg
6.Queens
7.Los Angeles
8.Bangkok
9.Stockholm
10.Vienna

...apart from Bangkok all these tourneys have a long history & deserve the upgrade. If Asia is going to get one 500 tourney it should be Bangkok because Thais are the friendliest people you`ll ever meet & it`s a much more vibrant place than Beijing or Tokyo [even though i live in Japan the current lack of enthusiasm for tennis here means Bangkok is more deserving]:cool:

HNCS
10-05-2007, 04:41 AM
i have to agree with whoever said this a few pages ago, that grass tournaments are getting screwed hard.

Action Jackson
10-05-2007, 10:59 AM
wait, so they are forced into playin 4 "500's"?

Along with 4 slams and 9 TMS' (fuck off, disney, im still calling them TMs'), thats 17 mandatory tourneys a year :rolleyes:

They will still withdraw when they feel the need to and Disney will be even made to look more foolish.

Labamba
10-05-2007, 11:03 AM
They will still withdraw when they feel the need to and Disney will be even made to look more foolish.

It will be interesting to see how the rule is going to look like and how it will be implemented. Disney doesn't have the balls to suspend Federer or Nadal, maybe some lower ranked players.

Bilbo
10-05-2007, 11:04 AM
I bet Mercedes found out last week that Suttgart wasn't on the list and that was the final straw.:banghead:

It definately was. The WTA tournament in Stuttgart is pretty good organized and they've enough spectators. Probably the best tournament in Germany at this time. I would like to have an ATP tournament indoors in Germany.

Action Jackson
10-05-2007, 11:06 AM
It definately was. The WTA tournament in Stuttgart is pretty good organized and they've enough spectators. Probably the best tournament in Germany at this time. I would like to have an ATP tournament indoors in Germany.

For sure. It's the one of the biggest markets in Europe, so while it's not like the boom times before. It's even more moronic to piss on the Germans like they have in this case.

Action Jackson
10-05-2007, 11:07 AM
It will be interesting to see how the rule is going to look like and how it will be implemented. Disney doesn't have the balls to suspend Federer or Nadal, maybe some lower ranked players.

I wonder how long Disney will be around for. Like I said in the Koubek thread, these are the types of guys who will get punished, but the big stars, nothing will happen.

Bilbo
10-05-2007, 11:10 AM
For sure. It's the one of the biggest markets in Europe, so while it's not like the boom times before. It's even more moronic to piss on the Germans like they have in this case.

For sure. The DTB has about 1.8 million active tennis players in Germany. Highest number in the world.

bavaria100
10-05-2007, 11:11 AM
It definately was. The WTA tournament in Stuttgart is pretty good organized and they've enough spectators. Probably the best tournament in Germany at this time. I would like to have an ATP tournament indoors in Germany.

Well, the WTA event in Stuttgart won't be indoors anymore either. I don't know why but the WTA decided to move it to April. I don't see them getting a good number of participants in the future.

Labamba
10-05-2007, 11:11 AM
It definately was. The WTA tournament in Stuttgart is pretty good organized and they've enough spectators. Probably the best tournament in Germany at this time. I would like to have an ATP tournament indoors in Germany.

Hamburg will probably get the '500' status, if they settle the lawsuit. France has 4 indoor tournaments (Marseille, Metz, Lyon, Paris), that's way too much, Germany should have one of those spots.

Bilbo
10-05-2007, 11:12 AM
Well, the WTA event in Stuttgart won't be indoors anymore either. I don't know why but the WTA decided to move it to April. I don't see them getting a good number of participants in the future.

Do they realize it can be cold in April? :retard: The indoor event in Stuttgart is one of the finest on tour.

Action Jackson
10-05-2007, 11:13 AM
For sure. The DTB has about 1.8 million active tennis players in Germany. Highest number in the world.

I mean you have the Bundesliga, which is the best league in the world not on ATP level. There are excellent facilities and still quite some money around.

Mr.Disney seems to dislike the German-speaking world. I mean at least in Germany the game is accessible to many backgrounds, yet England has Wimbledon, Queens and the WTF champs and only a very small percentage of people care about the game.

Bilbo
10-05-2007, 11:14 AM
Hamburg will probably get the '500' status, if they settle the lawsuit. France has 4 indoor tournaments (Marseille, Metz, Lyon, Paris), that's way too much, Germany should have one of those spots.

Especially the one in Metz with a population of only 124.300

Action Jackson
10-05-2007, 11:20 AM
Hamburg will probably get the '500' status, if they settle the lawsuit. France has 4 indoor tournaments (Marseille, Metz, Lyon, Paris), that's way too much, Germany should have one of those spots.

I think Metz is on its last legs as an event and might not survive in 2009.

He seems to hate German-speaking countries. The Mercedes Cup in Stuttgart for the men has been traditonally an excellent event and some high class finals and they had the 48 players for a reason.

Now it has to compete with Båstad which has done so well to restore its reputation and Gstaad. Downgrading Stuttgart to 28 is disgusting and I can understand why Mercedes are fucked off.

bavaria100
10-05-2007, 11:33 AM
Do they realize it can be cold in April? :retard: The indoor event in Stuttgart is one of the finest on tour.

I know but they still decided to screw it up. The WTA and ATP are destroying Tennis in Germany at the moment. Berlin and Hamburg got downgrated, the men's tourney in Stuttgart didn't get 500 status and the women's tourney is now a warm-up event for the FO in April. I don't know about the temperature. It might be possible that it's gonna be an indoor clay event because of a long-running contract with Porsche.

Horatio Caine
10-05-2007, 11:37 AM
De Villiers is a fucking nut-job.

Screwed over Germany and pissed all over the grass season. Lost a major sponsor (Mercedes). Yeah great job Mr. Einstein. :retard: :retard: :retard:

I'd wear a "Fuck off De Villiers" T-shirt with pride.

Also, by doubling the points on offer at ATP events, he is effectively condemning the challenger players...how the hell are they supposed to make any impact in the rankings (did he read the article on Michael Russell, this week?!). He is killing off our sport.

Action Jackson
10-05-2007, 11:38 AM
De Villiers is a fucking nut-job.

Screwed over Germany and pissed all over the grass season. Lost a major sponsor (Mercedes). Yeah great job Mr. Einstein. :retard: :retard: :retard:

I'd wear a "Fuck off De Villiers" T-shirt with pride.

What size do you want it in? I think it could be time for a bulk order of T-shirts.

Horatio Caine
10-05-2007, 11:41 AM
What size do you want it in? I think it could be time for a bulk order of T-shirts.

I'd go for a happy medium. Not sure I'll be attending ATP events in 2008 (graduated from Notts uni), but I'd wear it if I do. Notts Open would be an appropriate place to show it off given that it is a grass event, and will probably no longer be running in about 3 years. :retard:

Labamba
10-05-2007, 11:45 AM
What size do you want it in? I think it could be time for a bulk order of T-shirts.

I'd like to have one too. If it's in good taste, I'll wear it at RG next year.

maria_marie
10-05-2007, 12:24 PM
:wavey: mine would be a little different;)

1.Sydney
2.Rotterdam
3.Buenos Aires
4.Barcelona
5.Hamburg
6.Queens
7.Los Angeles
8.Bangkok
9.Stockholm
10.Vienna

...apart from Bangkok all these tourneys have a long history & deserve the upgrade. If Asia is going to get one 500 tourney it should be Bangkok because Thais are the friendliest people you`ll ever meet & it`s a much more vibrant place than Beijing or Tokyo [even though i live in Japan the current lack of enthusiasm for tennis here means Bangkok is more deserving]:cool:

I thought about Queens but then I remembered that London is gonna host the WTF championships and Germany's left with no top tournaments which is a shame. :o

Loftra
10-05-2007, 01:41 PM
I think Metz is on its last legs as an event and might not survive in 2009.

He seems to hate German-speaking countries. The Mercedes Cup in Stuttgart for the men has been traditonally an excellent event and some high class finals and they had the 48 players for a reason.

Now it has to compete with Båstad which has done so well to restore its reputation and Gstaad. Downgrading Stuttgart to 28 is disgusting and I can understand why Mercedes are fucked off.

It's time they replace Metz by Mons.

Via
10-05-2007, 11:11 PM
i'm not surprised that asia will get bigger tournaments (they've already signaled their intention to buy their way into the sport) but i'm surprised there are so many. i'm surprised there are so many big tournaments after us open. i'm surprised there are zero in the 'swing' into aus open and wimbledon. i'm surprised so many mickey mouse tourneys actually have money to pay up the atp.

it just goes to show that a pure market (read money) approach does not always make sense and does not often achieve the best outcomes.

Burrow
10-05-2007, 11:24 PM
Beijing and Valencia as 500's is a joke

I was expecting to see Bucharest there.

Leo
10-06-2007, 04:00 AM
Acapulco, Memphis, Beijing, Valencia?????/

Renaud
10-06-2007, 05:49 AM
All other tournaments will be like big challengers... Uch...
Why best players would play 250 events ....?

Playing Mons in 2007 is nearly a better idea than going to Halle in 2009.
(I mean that in term of points, not money.)

Bobby
10-06-2007, 12:19 PM
Great job! Now there are so many mandatory events,that the top names can't really play anywhere else. Smaller tournaments struggle even more. Besides, I don't think that Memphis or Acapulco would attract more top players, no matter how much money or points are given out.

Can't really understand the status of Dubai and Basel either. Well, obviously Federer is the reason for Basel. And Dubai... well Dubai has a lot of money and it's also a place where Federer spends a lot of time. Maybe just a coincidence.

Action Jackson
10-06-2007, 12:33 PM
Can't really understand the status of Dubai and Basel either. Well, obviously Federer is the reason for Basel. And Dubai... well Dubai has a lot of money and it's also a place where Federer spends a lot of time. Maybe just a coincidence.

No coincidence at all.

Action Jackson
10-06-2007, 12:34 PM
I was expecting to see Bucharest there.

Ion Tiriac has nothing to do with the Bucharest event. He wants it to fail.

Bobby
10-06-2007, 12:47 PM
I think Casablanca should be on that list too. Hell, there aren't many tournaments on that continent. And it's probably a good idea to make the sport more global, so why not? Stockholm as well, think about all the history and the fact that Scandinavia is totally ignored on that list. And how could they not include Newport? A quality event.

Action Jackson
10-06-2007, 12:50 PM
I think Casablanca should be on that list too. Hell, there aren't many tournaments on that continent. And it's probably a good idea to make the sport more global, so why not? Stockholm as well, think about all the history and the fact that Scandinavia is totally ignored on that list. And how could they not include Newport? A quality event.

Agreed 100% on all of that.

They should have had an event in La Paz as well.

CmonAussie
10-06-2007, 12:54 PM
I think Casablanca should be on that list too. Hell, there aren't many tournaments on that continent. And it's probably a good idea to make the sport more global, so why not? Stockholm as well, think about all the history and the fact that Scandinavia is totally ignored on that list. And how could they not include Newport? A quality event.


agree;)

Stockholm should be on there!
Casablanca would be cool!

how about Australia & New Zealand:confused:

of the Asian events I think Bangkok is more deserving than Beijing:cool:

"abra cadabra"

keroni
10-06-2007, 01:35 PM
can anyone explain the constant Disney references on this forum?

sorry i'm new.

from what i've read, MM tournies stand for Mickey Mouse??

nobama
10-06-2007, 01:50 PM
Can't really understand the status of Dubai and Basel either. Well, obviously Federer is the reason for Basel. And Dubai... well Dubai has a lot of money and it's also a place where Federer spends a lot of time. Maybe just a coincidence.
Dubai? $$$$ And maybe the same with Basel too, they put up enough $$ to make it into the '500' club. Everyone can come up with their own list of which events deserve it but it always comes down to money.

CmonAussie
10-06-2007, 02:42 PM
can anyone explain the constant Disney references on this forum?

sorry i'm new.

from what i've read, MM tournies stand for Mickey Mouse??


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yes MM tournies are Mickey Mouse~~ such as Newport, Nottingham etc..[of little importance];)

the "Disney references" are about De Villiers~ the ATP tour`s chairman as of two years ago & instigator of many radical changes to mens tennis, such as the failed attempts at round robin events earlier this year.. some of his ideas [such as Hawkeye] have been successful.

anyway De Villiers previously worked for Disney & is credited with rescuing Euro Disney [in France] from bankruptcy:cool: