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Takao Suzuki, better odds than Becker?

VolandriFan
10-02-2007, 09:00 AM
With betfair. Their odds were pretty much even before the match, now Suzuki is ahead after just one game. There's a huge ranking difference, it doesn't sound right to me. :confused:

alansk
10-02-2007, 09:07 AM
The triads have their fingers in many pies.

Action Jackson
10-02-2007, 09:42 AM
The triads have their fingers in many pies.

They aren't playing in China. It's the Yakuza in Japan.

Saumon
10-02-2007, 09:43 AM
Fixed.

alansk
10-02-2007, 09:43 AM
They aren't playing in China. It's the Yakuza in Japan.

:lol:

ginnylegend
10-02-2007, 10:04 AM
Yeah right, like they'd fix whilst the shadows are over all the players.

VolandriFan
10-02-2007, 10:06 AM
Maybe they just know how crap Benji's been all year :lol: :hug:

Alx
10-02-2007, 10:11 AM
Federer had a though match against Suziki last year in Tokyo and considering Becker is maybe tired after Bangkok, that's not so odd :shrug:

Jaap
10-02-2007, 10:12 AM
I think its because Suzuki is a better player than Becker.

VolandriFan
10-02-2007, 02:19 PM
Looks like Becker won anyway. I guess the punters just know what they're talking about after all? :shrug:

Montego
10-02-2007, 03:25 PM
I think its because Suzuki is a better player than Becker.

:spit:

I am following the forum for a while and I noticed your low IQ posts in gambling forum. This above statement only proves it. What does it take to judge a player? Most would agree that GS results, current ranking, max. ranking, win-loss ratio, ATP level victories, ATP titles, ATP finals etc...In all these categories Becker is way above Suzuki, so I don't know how blind one can be to say that Suzuki is better player than Becker.

TMJordan
10-02-2007, 03:29 PM
:spit:

I am following the forum for a while and I noticed your low IQ posts in gambling forum. This above statement only proves it. What does it take to judge a player? Most would agree that GS results, current ranking, max. ranking, win-loss ratio, ATP level victories, ATP titles, ATP finals etc...In all these categories Becker is way above Suzuki, so I don't know how blind one can be to say that Suzuki is better player than Becker.

Jaap is one of the most highly respected and intelligent posters here at MTF.

Here is an example:

Peer is not bad. Then again, I have no standards.

Jaap
10-02-2007, 03:30 PM
:spit:

I am following the forum for a while and I noticed your low IQ posts in gambling forum. This above statement only proves it. What does it take to judge a player? Most would agree that GS results, current ranking, max. ranking, win-loss ratio, ATP level victories, ATP titles, ATP finals etc...In all these categories Becker is way above Suzuki, so I don't know how blind one can be to say that Suzuki is better player than Becker.

If it wasn't for injuries, Suzuki would be a top 50 player. He has all the talent in the world.

Becker on the otherhand, is a mug.

Understand?

Iván
10-02-2007, 03:31 PM
Jaap is one of the most highly respected and intelligent posters here at MTF.

Here is an example:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaap
Peer is not bad. Then again, I have no standards.

lol that made me chuckle...

Alot of people thought that becker might throw in a almagro type performance today but it didnt happen.

fair play

Jaap
10-02-2007, 03:33 PM
Peer is not bad, I'm sure you wouldn't say no if she was offered on a plate, TMJordan.

Montego
10-02-2007, 03:34 PM
If it wasn't for injuries, Suzuki would be a top 50 player. He has all the talent in the world.

Becker on the otherhand, is a mug.

Understand?


I wonder how many times did you see Suzuki playing to judge his Top50 potential. He has played some 15 matches on ATP level in last 5 years. Maybe one or two of them had TV coverage.

TMJordan
10-02-2007, 03:35 PM
I actually really enjoy reading your posts, Jaap.

Lots of your posts make me laugh.

LocoPorElTenis
10-02-2007, 05:30 PM
I actually really enjoy reading your posts, Jaap.

Lots of your posts make me laugh.

Not surprising that a fan of koellerer likes jaap's posts :help:

Bobby
10-02-2007, 05:58 PM
:spit:

I am following the forum for a while and I noticed your low IQ posts in gambling forum. This above statement only proves it. What does it take to judge a player? Most would agree that GS results, current ranking, max. ranking, win-loss ratio, ATP level victories, ATP titles, ATP finals etc...In all these categories Becker is way above Suzuki, so I don't know how blind one can be to say that Suzuki is better player than Becker.

I take it you don't gamble that much. GS results, max. ranking, atp victories etc. don't really mean that much. It's the current form that pretty much counts. This was almost like a 50-50 match. Becker's ranking maybe better, he may have more victories and all, but Suzuki is always very dangerous, especially in Japan. So it was never obvious that Becker would win the match. I'm not saying that Becker is a bad player, just that it's not clear Becker is better.

GlennMirnyi
10-02-2007, 06:03 PM
With betfair. Their odds were pretty much even before the match, now Suzuki is ahead after just one game. There's a huge ranking difference, it doesn't sound right to me. :confused:

That's because you're a fangirl who knows shit about tennis.

I think its because Suzuki is a better player than Becker.

True.

:spit:

I am following the forum for a while and I noticed your low IQ posts in gambling forum. This above statement only proves it. What does it take to judge a player? Most would agree that GS results, current ranking, max. ranking, win-loss ratio, ATP level victories, ATP titles, ATP finals etc...In all these categories Becker is way above Suzuki, so I don't know how blind one can be to say that Suzuki is better player than Becker.

Stats mean whatever you want them to. I guess it's too hard for a clown like you to get talent sometimes isn't measured by results alone. Add to that the fact that Suzuki's career has been plagued by injuries. Anyway, there is always a clown like who is imbecile enough not to be able to keep all your bullshit inside.

Action Jackson
10-02-2007, 06:05 PM
Not surprising that a fan of koellerer likes jaap's posts :help:

It's called taking the piss is what he is doing.

VolandriFan
10-03-2007, 01:26 AM
That's because you're a fangirl who knows shit about tennis.

Firstly, I'm a fanboy, get it right.

And secondly, I don't think it's illogical to think that Becker should have better odds, considering his much higher ranking and the fact that he just made a final last week. Suzuki, on the other hand, who I have in fact seen play before, can never be a form player because he doesn't play often enough. It doesn't matter how well Suzuki can play up at the net, Becker should always start as the favourite, unless under exceptional circumstances.

I don't know how you do it, but you certainly manage to come accross as an arrogant know-it-all in the majority of your posts.

GlennMirnyi
10-03-2007, 01:29 AM
Firstly, I'm a fanboy, get it right.

And secondly, I don't think it's illogical to think that Becker should have better odds, considering his much higher ranking and the fact that he just made a final last week. Suzuki, on the other hand, who I have in fact seen play before, can never be a form player because he doesn't play often enough. It doesn't matter how well Suzuki can play up at the net, Becker should always start as the favourite, unless under exceptional circumstances.

I don't know how you do it, but you certainly manage to come accross as an arrogant know-it-all in the majority of your posts.

Fangirl is a generic term to identify people who talk out of their asses about tennis.

It's illogical because, as I pointed out, you know shit about tennis. Following your logic, how come Johansson defeated Nadal in Stockholm? Luck? :retard:

The day someone like you knows more about tennis than me I'll hang myself. :rolleyes:

G4.
10-03-2007, 01:35 AM
Firstly, I'm a fanboy, get it right.

And secondly, I don't think it's illogical to think that Becker should have better odds, considering his much higher ranking and the fact that he just made a final last week.

Just because a player has a better ranking does not mean he will always have better odds , it does not work like that . Also mugs like Becker are not used to play that much in 2 weeks , and they tend to have a big letdown after a good run. So people backed Suzuki who offered better value and that made his odds go down (i myself layed Becker at betfair )

VolandriFan
10-03-2007, 01:54 AM
Fangirl is a generic term to identify people who talk out of their asses about tennis.

It's illogical because, as I pointed out, you know shit about tennis. Following your logic, how come Johansson defeated Nadal in Stockholm? Luck? :retard:

The day someone like you knows more about tennis than me I'll hang myself. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry, but if you somehow pulled out that I always think the higher ranked player will win, then you obviously have no comprehension skills. You better get the noose out. :sad:

GlennMirnyi
10-03-2007, 01:56 AM
I'm sorry, but if you somehow pulled out that I always think the higher ranked player will win, then you obviously have no comprehension skills. You better get the noose out. :sad:

No, you're even worse. You said higher-ranked players should always be favorites. Total bullshit.

Weren't you who said serving isn't tennis? :haha: :haha: :haha:

VolandriFan
10-03-2007, 02:02 AM
No, you're even worse. You said higher-ranked players should always be favorites. Total bullshit.

Weren't you who said serving isn't tennis? :haha: :haha: :haha:

No, I said that it is surprising when the punters have more on a lower ranked player. They usually do not have an extensive knowledge of tennis, so it's not usual to see them better odds on a player ranked 216 who doesn't really have any tour results to judge from, over an out of form top 60 player, who looks to be finding form again.

What I said about serving, is that there are many elements to a strong game. A player like Volandri, while lacking a serve still has many of these elements and is therefore a more complete player than an ace machine. Doesn't necessarily mean that he'll win in one of these matchups.

GlennMirnyi
10-03-2007, 02:11 AM
No, I said that it is surprising when the punters have more on a lower ranked player. They usually do not have an extensive knowledge of tennis, so it's not usual to see them better odds on a player ranked 216 who doesn't really have any tour results to judge from, over an out of form top 60 player, who looks to be finding form again.

What I said about serving, is that there are many elements to a strong game. A player like Volandri, while lacking a serve still has many of these elements and is therefore a more complete player than an ace machine. Doesn't necessarily mean that he'll win in one of these matchups.

Not gonna discuss about something you're showing absolutely no knowledge whatsoever. Takao is very dangerous in Japan, this guy took Federer to a 3rd set TB last year.

Volandri sucks. Serving is the most important shot of the game and he serves worse than WTA players, what says A LOT.

jcempire
10-03-2007, 02:25 AM
Takao Suzuki////..... Who he is????

I even drive Suzuki XL7, never hear Takao Suzuki.

GlennMirnyi
10-03-2007, 02:26 AM
Who's Sam Querrey? The guy who lost to Lindahl?

G4.
10-03-2007, 02:31 AM
No, I said that it is surprising when the punters have more on a lower ranked player. They usually do not have an extensive knowledge of tennis, so it's not usual to see them better odds on a player ranked 216 who doesn't really have any tour results to judge from, over an out of form top 60 player, who looks to be finding form again.

What I said about serving, is that there are many elements to a strong game. A player like Volandri, while lacking a serve still has many of these elements and is therefore a more complete player than an ace machine. Doesn't necessarily mean that he'll win in one of these matchups.

huh you really dont know what you are talking about, you should try this test , open an account with 100 bet 5$ on every 1.65 (thats what becker was pre match) favs , and i guarentee you that you lose every thing in less than 30 days

VolandriFan
10-03-2007, 03:03 AM
huh you really dont know what you are talking about, you should try this test , open an account with 100 bet 5$ on every 1.65 (thats what becker was pre match) favs , and i guarentee you that you lose every thing in less than 30 days

Well I guess I'm not much of a gambler. There are better things to do with money, like save it :)

Burrow
10-03-2007, 03:40 AM
suzuki is so friggin over rated its unreal

Burrow
10-03-2007, 03:41 AM
Well I guess I'm not much of a gambler. There are better things to do with money, like save it :)

Correct! :)

GustavoM_Fan
10-03-2007, 07:09 AM
is this a joke ???? :haha:

Montego
10-03-2007, 10:25 AM
The day someone like you knows more about tennis than me I'll hang myself. :rolleyes:

So just do it, as it is obvious that most of people here know more about tennis than you. Your troglodyte approach towards posting here only proves it. If someone is not comprehensive in some kind of knowledge - he starts attacking other people with throwing shit at them. Unfortunately you miss a lot, but the smell of shit stays on your hands. I am 30 years old and I have been following tennis since 18 years, watching as much as possible because I love this sport. And I have seen Takao Suzuki once during these 18 years. How many times did you see him?

Not gonna discuss about something you're showing absolutely no knowledge whatsoever. Takao is very dangerous in Japan, this guy took Federer to a 3rd set TB last year.

In Dubai 2005 - Roger Federer - Ivo Minar 67 63 76. Ivo Minar must be the king of Dubai with your logic. I am not talking with someone showing absolutely no knowledge whatsoever.

I am sure that you say that Suzuki is very talented player, because he is a serve-and-volleyer and you like this gameplan (at least most of your favourite players try to implement that style). But if you had some tennis knowledge, you would know that 3rd set TB with Federer was the only major higlhight of Suzuki's career. You say he is good in Japan? Yes, he won some challengers in Kyoto. After beating Bastian Knittel, Stephane Bohli, Amir Hadad, Arvind Parmar and Orlin Stanoychev etc. Great names, aren't they ? He lost every match in his carrer, when he had to play with someone ranked higher than Moodie. Look at the facts, fangirl.

VolandriFan
10-03-2007, 01:58 PM
So just do it, as it is obvious that most of people here know more about tennis than you. Your troglodyte approach towards posting here only proves it. If someone is not comprehensive in some kind of knowledge - he starts attacking other people with throwing shit at them. Unfortunately you miss a lot, but the smell of shit stays on your hands. I am 30 years old and I have been following tennis since 18 years, watching as much as possible because I love this sport. And I have seen Takao Suzuki once during these 18 years. How many times did you see him?



In Dubai 2005 - Roger Federer - Ivo Minar 67 63 76. Ivo Minar must be the king of Dubai with your logic. I am not talking with someone showing absolutely no knowledge whatsoever.

I am sure that you say that Suzuki is very talented player, because he is a serve-and-volleyer and you like this gameplan (at least most of your favourite players try to implement that style). But if you had some tennis knowledge, you would know that 3rd set TB with Federer was the only major higlhight of Suzuki's career. You say he is good in Japan? Yes, he won some challengers in Kyoto. After beating Bastian Knittel, Stephane Bohli, Amir Hadad, Arvind Parmar and Orlin Stanoychev etc. Great names, aren't they ? He lost every match in his carrer, when he had to play with someone ranked higher than Moodie. Look at the facts, fangirl.

Thank you. I'm glad someone has a brain here.