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Why is Federer the fav for Wimbledon?

henree
05-30-2004, 08:13 AM
Not that I have any other players in mind. But everyone seems to think that Federer's has the best grass court game. Why is this? What makes up a good grass court game? Can anyone explain the dynamics of grass, like speed and ball bounce height, or whether spin or flat shots are better? :confused:

Rex
05-30-2004, 08:45 AM
i think it is basically because that he won it last year and basically because when you watch him play he is a great player....

WyveN
05-30-2004, 09:34 AM
his game is completely suited for grass, he is a grass natural in the same way that someone like Ferrero is a natural on clay.

1. He has good movement on grass which is very important as the rallys are usually very fast paced + he can advance to the net

2. Grass makes his serve ever more lethal as on grass placement is probably even more important then power

3. The unpredictable bounce on grass makes his heavy groundstrokes hard to pick up

4. His one of the few good volleyers on tour

5. He has the amazing ability to take the ball on the rise out of akward positions yet have complete control in terms of power + placement, gives him a big advantage in groundstroke rallys over his opponents

TennisLurker
05-30-2004, 10:50 AM
He is also one of the best returners.

Sincerely, I dont see anyone who could beat roger on grass.

azza
05-30-2004, 11:03 AM
Sophie Ferguson is better :)

TennisLurker
05-30-2004, 11:10 AM
Henman could beat roger on grass maybe.

CmonAussie
05-30-2004, 11:15 AM
Who else other than Federer could be 'the favourite' for Wimbledon??

Sampras retired; Ivanisavic walking wounded; Agassi on his last legs; Roddick still unproven outside US; Ferrero sick/injured & out of form; Hewitt a Rd1 casuality last year; Moya lucky if he shows up; Grosjean gets scared contemplating more than SF; Henman forever destined to be bridesmaid; Coria would struggle with 175cm stature on Grass vs big servers.............
--->>> It's obvious Federer is the favourite but doesn't mean it will happen; Roddick, Hewitt, Nalbandian, Henman are the other main contenders! *@@*
If you were going for an underdog then; Lopez, Nadal, Verkerk could surprise!

CmonAussie
05-30-2004, 11:17 AM
Oh Yeah i forgot Mark Philippoussis will put aside 8-consecutive 1st Rd losses & win the whole schabang with Delta pouting in the famous courtside boxes@@

Dirk
05-30-2004, 11:19 AM
I say Henman or Roddick. If Roger is slightly off the doors opens up mostly for them. Hewitt too, but I think Roger could break him back and beat him. Roger is a special talent but he still has to play well and at times play great. In that regards he is like any other player.

Dirk
05-30-2004, 11:22 AM
Come on Aussie. I think Hewitt could have an excellent chance this year. If the draws opens up slightly he could win it. Is he playing Queens again?

little duck
05-30-2004, 01:07 PM
Another reason for Roger being so dangerous on grass is the way on which the ball bounces after the slice. It stays very low and travels fast, and Roger has those very effective backhand slices and keeps his oponents under pressure (I think that backhand topspin is the weakest of all Federer's shots).

Dirk
05-30-2004, 01:31 PM
I would agree Little Duck, but even that is still a great shot.

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 01:57 PM
I think Tim right now is the only one with a realistic chance of beating Roger on grass.

CmonAussie
05-30-2004, 02:07 PM
Come on Aussie. I think Hewitt could have an excellent chance this year. If the draws opens up slightly he could win it. Is he playing Queens again?
:wavey: ;)
That's encouraging to hear Dirk mate; yeah Rocky Llegs is scheduled to play Queens(where he's a 3-time title holder). However the way things are going at French Open it seems Hewitt will atleast make SF-> then i have a feeling he can actually go all the way. :) If Lleyton wins Roland Garros i think he'll want to spend Sunday night celebrating with his family & Kim; so then he wouldn't have time to fly across immediately for Queens. Of course if Lleyton wins FO then i don't really care what happens for the rest of 04 season~ it would be one long party ;) :p .

BTW^ Roddick is definitely one of the most likely to win Wimbledon; his confidence is a little low right now but a few crushing victories on Grass should re-establish the form he displayed last year!!

Dirk
05-30-2004, 02:30 PM
Andy can win wimbly and several times. Roger can win it again and again. I think Hewitt will be ok for Queens. He won't play till Wednesday and he can get some practice the day before and before he plays. Yeah its not the best start but nothing he can do about it. Hewitt is taking advantage of his draw. I wish Roger didn't have to play Guga so early, but hey there is always next year and plenty of years after that. Roger takes great care of his body and doesn't over do it.

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 02:45 PM
BTW^ Roddick is definitely one of the most likely to win Wimbledon; his confidence is a little low right now but a few crushing victories on Grass should re-establish the form he displayed last year!!

Hard to say whether he's really having an overall confidence problem or whether it was just clay and he'll be ok for grass. With his improved volleying he certainly *should* do well but considering he went back to the US instead of going directly to London and using all that time to really get comfortable with the conditions, who knows what Andy will appear at Queens next week :o But even though Andy has improved over last year I don't think he can beat Roger on grass. And I don't think he can beat Tim either since he has so much trouble on hardcourts. But Tim knows how to beat Roger on other surfaces, so he should have a good shot if he's still in good form if they meet at Wimby. I wonder where Tim will be seeded...

Ballbuster
05-30-2004, 03:11 PM
Ans: Because he's Roger Federer, and when his game's on he can beat anyone on any surface. I saw him at the Masters and I wondered how this guy could ever lose

Dirk
05-30-2004, 03:13 PM
Wow you saw him at the Cup? Did you meet him? Do tell. :bounce:

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 03:15 PM
Ans: Because he's Roger Federer, and when his game's on he can beat anyone on any surface. I saw him at the Masters and I wondered how this guy could ever lose

well yea that might be true, but I dont know if I'd use TMC for that as a gague, considering he was playing a whole bunch of exhausted people, some of whom barely put up a fight. For a better example of that I'd use him at Wimby last year or this year's AO instead b/c winning 7 best-of-5 barely losing a set and beating players mostly at their top game is much more impressive to me :)

WyveN
05-30-2004, 03:42 PM
With his improved volleying he certainly *should* do well but considering he went back to the US instead of going directly to London and using all that time to really get comfortable with the conditions, who knows what Andy will appear at Queens next week :o

so? thats pretty common, Roger went back to Switzerland.

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 05:13 PM
so? thats pretty common, Roger went back to Switzerland.

Uh..... Switzerland is not 5000 miles and 8 hour time zone difference away.

WyveN
05-30-2004, 05:18 PM
Uh..... Switzerland is not 5000 miles and 8 hour time zone difference away.

It is not like Roger can practice on grass in Switzerland.
The reason they play queens/Halle/Nottingham is to get used to conditions.

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 05:39 PM
It is not like Roger can practice on grass in Switzerland.
The reason they play queens/Halle/Nottingham is to get used to conditions.

It's not the practice on grass that concerns me in the least. Anyway I don't want to rehash my problems with Andy and his team going back to the US, my rants are all over the Andy forum if you'd like to read them. I only brought it up to say that it seems like there's something else going on behind the scenes where he is concerned that made him want to go back to the US that badly (he didn't even do that last year when he changed coaches, he went to London like 2 weeks early) and I therefore wouldn't worry too much about him giving Roger a problem. That's all:)

JennyS
05-30-2004, 06:45 PM
I think there are several players who could beat Roger at Wimbledon. I think if Roddick returns really well and serves the way he usually does, he could beat him. Maybe Roger will feel nervous defending a major for the first time and that could play a part of how he plays. Also Tim, Mark P, Lleyton, Andre, David and a few others could also contend.

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 06:47 PM
IMO Mark, Lleyton, and Andre cannot beat him on grass right now. Andy might be capable of it but Roger would have to be off and Andy would probably have to play the match of his life to do it at this point. David and Tim might because they mentally know how to beat Roger and are both in good form right now.

Shy
05-30-2004, 06:49 PM
I think many people can beat him if he had left his form, his brain and his confidence at home. There are many chances that he might feel the pressure.We don't know how he is going to deal with it.Otherwise,I think that only Tim has a chance.

LCeh
05-30-2004, 07:50 PM
I think we will get a VERY CLEAR answer when he plays his first 3 matches at wimbly. Usually it takes him a few matches to warm up, but once he wins that third match, he is full of confidence. Well, at least this has been the trend this year. All his losses came from the third round or earlier. When he gets more than 2 wins, he wins that tournament.

It really depends on his form though. If he can continue the way he played at last year Wimbly or AO 04, then he should be able to win. But if he isn't playing that well, and he plays players like Henman, who is so dangerous with that chip and charge, or big servers like Andy, he will have loads of problem.

RogiFan88
05-30-2004, 08:13 PM
It's not the practice on grass that concerns me in the least. Anyway I don't want to rehash my problems with Andy and his team going back to the US, my rants are all over the Andy forum if you'd like to read them. I only brought it up to say that it seems like there's something else going on behind the scenes where he is concerned that made him want to go back to the US that badly (he didn't even do that last year when he changed coaches, he went to London like 2 weeks early) and I therefore wouldn't worry too much about him giving Roger a problem. That's all:)

Oh yeah, Bunk, like what?? Curious... maybe Pandy's just homesick... Amers generally do not care for the European tourneys cos they're, well, in Europe!! :p

Now if Lleyton won RG, the whole tennis world w be in shock... mind you, Grosjean knocked Tim out of Wimby last yr... :(

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 08:21 PM
Oh yeah, Bunk, like what?? Curious... maybe Pandy's just homesick... Amers generally do not care for the European tourneys cos they're, well, in Europe!! :p


:rolleyes: if you posted that you thought something was really wrong with and/or upsetting Roger and you said you were concerned about it affecting his confidence/mentality on his favorite surfaces, I would not make a joke out of it and I would not use it as an opportunity to diss him (well I don't diss him anyway, but yeah). And that's all I'm gonna say.

As to the topic at hand, LCeh as usual I totally agree. He does seem to have most of his problems earlier on in tourneys doesn't he? The only thing I don't agree about is that big servers can pose problems to him. Look at people he beat in Wimbledon last year, making their serves basically ineffective in the process - Fish (who said he played the best set of his life when he took that sole set off Roger), Andy, and Mark. Lopez's serve isn't at all shabby either. I think for any of those guys, or any other big server, would have to do much more than serve really well to beat him. They'd have to do the type of thing Guga did - attack the backhand, put pressure on him, etc. A big serve alone doesn't cut it against Roger on grass it doesn't appear:)

TheGrandstand
05-30-2004, 08:23 PM
Look out for Hewitt. He's starting to play cleaner tennis and I'm sure he's angry from that embarassment last year. Sure, he doesn't have the serve but he's got the return game and grit to be able to break every service game.

LCeh
05-30-2004, 08:29 PM
As to the topic at hand, LCeh as usual I totally agree. He does seem to have most of his problems earlier on in tourneys doesn't he? The only thing I don't agree about is that big servers can pose problems to him. Look at people he beat in Wimbledon last year, making their serves basically ineffective in the process - Fish (who said he played the best set of his life when he took that sole set off Roger), Andy, and Mark. Lopez's serve isn't at all shabby either. I think for any of those guys, or any other big server, would have to do much more than serve really well to beat him. They'd have to do the type of thing Guga did - attack the backhand, put pressure on him, etc. A big serve alone doesn't cut it against Roger on grass it doesn't appear:)

Well, when his game is off, his return game is not as well also. Even though I didn't watch that match vs Guga, I believe he didn't really use that slice backhand. On grass, he can use it a lot more often, and that will kinda neutralize the attacks to his backhand.

But you know, the key to beating Roger is to put him under pressure, like Guga did with his backhand. Playing baseline rallies don't really work as well any more because he now has confidence he did not have last year at the back court rallies. Beating Nalby from a backcourt game says a lot. Right now, I think Tim has the best chance with his net attacking game, which often throws Roger off.

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 08:34 PM
Well, when his game is off, his return game is not as well also. Even though I didn't watch that match vs Guga, I believe he didn't really use that slice backhand. On grass, he can use it a lot more often, and that will kinda neutralize the attacks to his backhand.

But you know, the key to beating Roger is to put him under pressure, like Guga did with his backhand. Playing baseline rallies don't really work as well any more because he now has confidence he did not have last year at the back court rallies. Beating Nalby from a backcourt game says a lot. Right now, I think Tim has the best chance with his net attacking game, which often throws Roger off.

Definitely agreed :) and yes, from what they showed on ESPN last night (which wasn't much, mind you) Roger was having a lot of trouble even getting Guga's serves back into play. But it's quite different on clay than grass I think. But yes, exactly what you said. Tim is not only a good returner but he has the kind of game that seems to bother Roger. I'd love to see a match between them at Wimby when they're both in good form. I think Tim would have a great shot. I'd also like to see how Andy would do with his improved backhand and return and increased variety including a lot more serve-volleying himself. But I still don't think it'd be enough. Maybe we'll find out soon though. :)

J. Corwin
05-30-2004, 09:51 PM
It will be interesting to see how Roger plays in this big title defense.

LCeh
05-30-2004, 09:53 PM
It will be interesting to see how Roger plays in this big title defense.

Yes, but I am feeling nervous already... :o

Shy
05-30-2004, 09:55 PM
It will be interesting to see how Roger plays in this big title defense.
I hope that he won't melt from the pressure.

Sparkz
05-30-2004, 10:01 PM
He's not made of chocolate

Shy
05-30-2004, 10:02 PM
He's not made of chocolate
I thought that he was made from cheese.:confused:

LCeh
05-30-2004, 10:04 PM
I thought that he was made from cheese.:confused:

Correct. :yeah:

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 10:11 PM
LCeh please post now!!!!!! :scared:

jtipson
05-30-2004, 10:15 PM
Codswallop.

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 10:17 PM
Codswallop.

eh???? lol

little duck
05-30-2004, 10:17 PM
wow, this year Wibledon will be something.

About returning of Guga's serve, Roger was complaining that he wasn't able to read it, which is one of his major weapons when he returns (some of Andy's serves he could probably amortize with his eyes closed).

I think Henman can beat Roger on grass and if that match happens it will be something. Also Nalbandian is always dangerous. Roger will also be under pressure as a defending champion.

And yes - don't forget Mario Ancic!! ;-)

jtipson
05-30-2004, 10:20 PM
eh???? lol

Oh, that was just my reaction to such superstitions. But now I realise you were probably kidding and I'm overreacting ;)

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 10:23 PM
Oh, that was just my reaction to such superstitions. But now I realise you were probably kidding and I'm overreacting ;)

Well I grew up near Salem. In 1992 we celebrated the tricentennial of the trials in school. so yea.... she really needs to post again ;)

anyway, yes little duck I agree. that's why I'm looking forward to seeing how Andy's improved serve variety and placement looks on the grass :)

jtipson
05-30-2004, 10:26 PM
To comment on the subject at hand, I think Henman and Nalbandian are the most dangerous opponents for Roger at Wimbledon, but he has to be favourite even so.

If the AELTC use the same seeding calculation as last year, then as it stands (using rankings calculated from today) Henman would get seeded 4, so wouldn't be able to meet Federer until the semis. Nalbandian would be just below him at 5, and a very difficult quarter-final opponent for any of the top 4.

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 10:27 PM
So then who would be 3?

jtipson
05-30-2004, 10:31 PM
Coria would be 3, he's 800 points ahead of the rest, so even though he's got minimal grass points, that's a big gap.

I think Nalbandian could get 3 if he won RG and Moya beat Coria....but there's still a long way to go.

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 10:47 PM
oh ok that's what I assumed, just making sure :)

little duck
05-30-2004, 11:11 PM
Hey, look at the story about how Federer will be getting ready for the grass season:

Hello Magazine caught up with World Number 1 Roger Federer on his return from Roland Garros. The 22 year old, with an ATP best of 4 titles this year and a 34/4 Win/Loss record, was checking his equipment.

14 pairs of tennis shoes, the Federer label carefully removed by Mirka, were slung in a bin, followed by the same number of smashed racquets. Out went the blue shirts (should have worn red - lucky colour, he muttered), and the white shorts with the blue waistband. Those were for the 7 matches, he grinned, but no sweat - I'll wait for my new all white strip and fresh racquets.

"Roland Garros?" Well, if I get through 2 more rounds than the year before, I'll win it in 2006. I'll still be only 24, and Guga will have retired. Agassi was 29 when he won, and Pete never did it. Mirka looked at him with pride. Actually, she said, Roger felt we'd already spent far too much in the shops in Paris, and so it was a good time to leave! They both roared with laughter.

"What are your plans for the grass season?" We've set up a court on the pasture near Juliette and Edelweiss and are training them to be ball girls. The farmer's going to umpire, and Pavel, Reto and Pierre are camping nearby. Pierre has plans for me to run up and down mountains, but not before 11.0 a.m. as I like a lie in. I shall play in bare feet on wet grass to improve my footwork. That will be one of my secret weapons. We haven't decided yet on what balls to use. Mirka collected some from Paris, and contacts at Halle and Wimbledon are sending me some from there.

I'm not telling you any more, and if you believe all this, you can have a spare Rolex watch!

LCeh
05-30-2004, 11:46 PM
Yeah, that sounded more like a joke than anything... playing on wet grass bare feet to practice footwork :haha:

rue
05-31-2004, 01:26 AM
I would have to say that Roger will go in as the big favorite, just because he plays his best tennis on grass and the only other players I think the only person who really has a shot at beating him is Henman. That definitely, if they are on opposite sides of the draw would be a mouth watering final to watch.


:) :D Go Roger!!!!

undomiele
05-31-2004, 01:46 AM
I think Nalbandian is a worthy contender. He's been doing really well on clay and thats technically his worst surface. Henman has also been playing phenomenally. Its definitely not going to be a cakewalk for Roger but not a marathon either. We'll see. :)