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Hewitt wins the battle of racists

ReturnWinner
09-27-2007, 04:14 PM
by beating Pashanski 76 (2) 62, get into the quarters

adee-gee
09-27-2007, 04:20 PM
:lol: at the thread title.

Duleml
09-27-2007, 04:23 PM
?? racist? this is tennis forum...you know

Jaap
09-27-2007, 04:24 PM
Good match between two good people.

CmonAussie
09-27-2007, 04:26 PM
by beating Pashanski 76 (2) 62, get into the quarters


Hewitt`s not a racist;)
The Blake incident was 6-years ago @ USO [2001]~~ get over it:(
@ the Blake incident Hewitt was merely pointing out the fact that the same linesman foot faulted him multiple times..then Lleyton said "you tell me the difference [referring to the fact that the same guy kept foot faulting]".. It was a coincidence that the guy was black & so was Hewitt`s opponent~~ so everyone jumped on the hate bandwagon without looking at the facts:sad:

RagingLamb
09-27-2007, 04:30 PM
Hewitt`s not a racist;)
The Blake incident was 6-years ago @ USO [2001]~~ get over it:(
@ the Blake incident Hewitt was merely pointing out the fact that the same linesman foot faulted him multiple times..then Lleyton said "you tell me the difference [referring to the fact that the same guy kept foot faulting]".. It was a coincidence that the guy was black & so was Hewitt`s opponent~~ so everyone jumped on the hate bandwagon without looking at the facts:sad:

I agree. I don't think you can say that Hewitt's a racist based on that incidence.

~*BGT*~
09-27-2007, 04:33 PM
With that incident, he could have been pointing out the fact that both are American.

StevoTG
09-27-2007, 04:34 PM
Hewitt`s not a racist;)
The Blake incident was 6-years ago @ USO [2001]~~ get over it:(
@ the Blake incident Hewitt was merely pointing out the fact that the same linesman foot faulted him multiple times..then Lleyton said "you tell me the difference [referring to the fact that the same guy kept foot faulting]".. It was a coincidence that the guy was black & so was Hewitt`s opponent~~ so everyone jumped on the hate bandwagon without looking at the facts:sad:

Don't even bother CmonAussie, some people's minds are made-up and not very open to change.

Good day for Lleyton, 2 matches won in one day:) Nice return to action!

CmonAussie
09-27-2007, 04:54 PM
Don't even bother CmonAussie, some people's minds are made-up and not very open to change.

Good day for Lleyton, 2 matches won in one day:) Nice return to action!


yeah i`m glad Hewitt made the trip to Mumbai now:cool:
...>>if he ends up winning the title that would make it all the better:angel:

ASP0315
09-27-2007, 04:54 PM
Hewitt`s not a racist;)
The Blake incident was 6-years ago @ USO [2001]~~ get over it:(
@ the Blake incident Hewitt was merely pointing out the fact that the same linesman foot faulted him multiple times..then Lleyton said "you tell me the difference [referring to the fact that the same guy kept foot faulting]".. It was a coincidence that the guy was black & so was Hewitt`s opponent~~ so everyone jumped on the hate bandwagon without looking at the facts:sad:

agreed

Caio_Brasil
09-27-2007, 05:00 PM
Why was the thread title changed? i don't know about Hewitt, but Pashanski is a fucking racist fool, yes

StevoTG
09-27-2007, 05:07 PM
Why was the thread title changed? i don't know about Hewitt, but Pashanski is a fucking racist fool, yes

Without meaning to sound ignorant, I know little about Pašanski and can't find much on the net so far - what's the dealio with him?

LocoPorElTenis
09-27-2007, 08:14 PM
Without meaning to sound ignorant, I know little about Pašanski and can't find much on the net so far - what's the dealio with him?

For example, he said of a black Brazilian player, in front of a reporter: "Not only he looks like a monkey, he also thinks like a monkey" :retard: :help: :mad:

musefanatic
09-27-2007, 08:34 PM
Well done Hewitt :) :)

Sleepwalker64
09-27-2007, 09:38 PM
For example, he said of a black Brazilian player, in front of a reporter: "Not only he looks like a monkey, he also thinks like a monkey" :retard: :help: :mad:

Really??:eek: When was that? I noticed that some people here have some beef with him...but didn't get it...He said it on a public place? He said that to a reporter???
I don't know who can be that stupid...
I guess u have every right to hate him

Marek.
09-27-2007, 09:41 PM
Good job Hewitt. :)

scarecrows
09-27-2007, 09:49 PM
Really??:eek: When was that? I noticed that some people here have some beef with him...but didn't get it...He said it on a public place? He said that to a reporter???
I don't know who can be that stupid...
I guess u have every right to hate him

some info can be found here

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=89790

RagingLamb
09-27-2007, 09:54 PM
wow, is "Pashanski" Serbian for deuche bag?

Sleepwalker64
09-27-2007, 10:10 PM
Thanks...
Unbelievable...or maybe not...

StevoTG
09-27-2007, 11:04 PM
Racism.... :retard: :cuckoo: I don't get it, which is a good thing I suppose. I notice that there is'nt alot of anti-racism shtuff in tennis like there is in some other sports, is this a good thing or a bad thing? (off-topic I know, just thinking out loud..... on a key pad:o )

aussie_fan
09-28-2007, 02:43 AM
Well Done Lleyton, good to see you win two matches in a day after the virus you had a few days in a row. Hopefully you can win the title here.

Action Jackson
09-28-2007, 05:40 AM
Pashanski is probably a Četnik and yes I know what that means and as for Hewitt being racist, that story was a massive media beat up at the time. He is a few things, but he isn't racist.

World Beater
09-28-2007, 07:05 AM
this nth compared federer vs al ghareeb or whatever

krystlel
09-28-2007, 09:44 AM
Seems like the Hewitt v Pashanski match was a fiery encounter.

Second seed Hewitt from Australia, who exchanged fiery glances and words with his Serbian opponent, came through 7-6 (2), 6-2 ....

The Australian started with a double fault in the ninth game, where he was serving for the set at 5-3, and Pashanski made a few big returns to break back. The Serbian was on the verge of making the second break, when he had four chances of Hewitt's serve in the 11th game. But Hewitt came up with his best, slammed two aces and set up points with his striking forehand to push the set into the tie-break. Frustrated by the turn of events, Pashanksi further tickled the fighter in Hewitt by uttering a few uncalled for words and continued the battle into the game-break as the players crossed sides.

From there on, Hewitt stepped on the accelerator, winning the tie-break 7-2 and broke the Serbian's serve in the first and fifth games to pocket the second set 6-2.

"He didn't have too much class at the Davis Cup this weekend, and nothing much has changed," Hewitt said on court of the verbal punches during the match.
http://www.rediff.com/sports/2007/sep/28mumbai.htm

Jelena_78
09-28-2007, 09:57 AM
He didn't have too much class!?:drink:
Sure he didn't,he should have let Luczak beat him! :haha:

ezekiel
09-28-2007, 12:45 PM
Pashanski is probably a Četnik and yes I know what that means and as for Hewitt being racist, that story was a massive media beat up at the time. He is a few things, but he isn't racist.

Really ?

Did you make this up at the same time you accused me of supporting Pashanski and said I was supporting "greater serbia" through him when I never even talked about him . I think you have some serious issues besides serb baiting from your comfy home in sweden or wherever , obviously you are not helping yourself by posting 50 times a day of mostly unconnected diatribes. Please get help immediatelly, get a real job or get a life !

Sleepwalker64
09-28-2007, 12:58 PM
Pashanski is probably a Četnik and yes I know what that means and as for Hewitt being racist, that story was a massive media beat up at the time. He is a few things, but he isn't racist.

You are going too far with this...:rolleyes:
If u can hate somebody, because somebody said that he said something....just reading from a paper...I don't approve what/if he said...but you are provoking some other things...

ReturnWinner
09-28-2007, 01:35 PM
Hewitt`s not a racist;)
The Blake incident was 6-years ago @ USO [2001]~~ get over it:(
@ the Blake incident Hewitt was merely pointing out the fact that the same linesman foot faulted him multiple times..then Lleyton said "you tell me the difference [referring to the fact that the same guy kept foot faulting]".. It was a coincidence that the guy was black & so was Hewitt`s opponent~~ so everyone jumped on the hate bandwagon without looking at the facts:sad:

that is not right, he called Coria,Nalbandian, and Massa as "sudacas" or any similar in a junior tournament too

in this article , look at the part about the french open in that year
US Open: Crowd chide `racist' Hewitt

By Neil Harman
Last Updated: 6:18pm BST 01/09/2001

LLEYTON HEWITT would never win prizes for diplomatic decorum. In Australia, a land that expected its players to fight hard and behave on the court like freckle-faced boys-next-door Rod Laver and Ken Rosewell, the brash, uncompromising Hewitt has been received with mixed reviews.

Few people Down Under will be surprised to discover that the 20-year-old from Adelaide was embroiled last night in a verbal spat with the umpire that ended with accusations of racism flying through Flushing Meadows sticky evening air.

Hewitt was involved in a fabulous tussle with James Blake, born in Brooklyn, raised in Harlem - the roughest, toughest area of this teeming metropolis - and educated at the Ivy League college of Harvard. When a black linesman twice foot-faulted Hewitt on crucial points in the third set, the kid stormed across to Swiss umpire Andreas Egli and screamed that he should be removed.
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Hewitt's most contentious comment was: "Look at him (the linesman) and tell me what the similarity is (beckoning towards Blake)," brutal words clearly picked up by the courtside microphones. "I want him off the court, I've only been foot-faulted at one end. Look at what he's done."

In the press conference after a 6-4, 3-6, 2-6, 6-3, 6-0 victory, made easier by Blake's physical distress, Hewitt would not be deterred from his assertion that he meant nothing racial. But the incident further soured a reputation that is not unblemished.

This year at the French Open, he described Egli - who must have nightmares about sitting in the chair for Hewitt's matches - as a "spastic." The following day Hewitt had to apologise to the Spastics Society which bombarded Australian news stations with complaints.

This time, Hewitt was unrepentant. "It was a conversation between me and the umpire. I come from a multi-cultured country. I'm not racial in any way. People can have their own opinions, there was nothing racial said out there. You can all think what you want.

"I know what I said to the umpire and the umpire knows as well. I'm a very passionate player when I get out there. I give everything I've got. I don't think anyone is going to be happy to be foot-faulted on a deuce point when you're serving at one set all, one all, you hit an unreturnable serve and there's a late call.

"I'm out there to do a job, playing one of the four tournaments in the year that means the most to any player. We're hungry for the Grand Slams - this is what you live for." Did he have any reaction to the crowd booing at the end and saying "Hewitt sucks"? "Didn't hear it mate," was his response.

They are not as tolerant of Hewitt here as they are back home. He stepped over the mark against Blake, which will further sour his less than convivial relations with the Australian media, whom he feels has a vendetta against him. "I get pumped up on the court, I like to show emotion and not everyone likes it," he told me at Wimbledon this year. "But it's me. When I was a kid playing footie, if one of the boys kicked a goal, we'd be in a hug in the centre of the ground. Then it was back to your position.

"It's the only way I know to play sport. If I was playing cricket, I'd be just like Shane Warne. I need to be in that mood to play my best tennis. I've copped a lot of criticism, but the people voted me South Australia's Sportsman of the Year in 2000 with 70-80 per cent of the callers in my favour. The media want to bag me, but the public see through it. Whenever I play in Australia, either for myself, or in Davis Cup, I get huge support."

He may find that level dwindling in some quarters, but not among those who need him on their side. Australia's Davis Cup coach, Wally Masur, said: "How much can the media flog this thing? The proof of the pudding was that the two players shook hands and Lleyton told him [Blake] what a good game he'd played."

This is a championship that was ushered in on the back of an article in Time magazine that regurgitated an old debate on racism fuelled by comments by Richard Williams, father of Venus and Serena, at Indian Wells five months earlier. That debate lasted two days, then died a death.

This one will probably be less than newsworthy in a couple of days, but the damage has been done. To his credit, the 21-year-old Blake, born of a mixed marriage with a black father and white mother, gave Hewitt a fairer hearing than he probably deserved.

"It probably didn't even occur to Hewitt that I heard it," said Blake. "My reaction was to try to win the match. I didn't want anything to cloud my thought processes, I was just intent on playing my game.

"I'm generally a positive thinker. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. If you feel you have a couple of bad calls, it can really frustrate you. When you do bad things on the court, you look back and feel it's not really who you are."

By contrast to Hewitt's behaviour, the world of the Wimbledon champion Goran Ivanisevic has been a sea of tranquility. Through two rounds without the loss of a set, pitching in aces when the mood takes him, lapping up the adulation of the people, it is clear that the Croatian is relishing his status as a champion.

That was evident in his demolition of the American Justin Gimelstob and his manner afterwards. "It's fun to walk around, fun people, it's really nice," he said. "I feel great on the court. Sometimes I play stupid points like 4-2, 40-love, deuce, breakpoint, but then I serve three aces. My motion and rhythm is really good."

His mood has been transferred to those in the little band that he calls his family. Goran's father Srdjan is not in New York, finally following doctor's orders and staying away from his son's matches, happy to relax now that a certain trophy is on the sideboard in Split. Ivanisevic's manager, Gerard Tsobanian, had a word of caution for those who think his man is here for fun. "I have told Goran to enjoy the momentum and the acclaim from the people," he said. "He is not a machine, he is a human being letting out his emotions. When he is happy, Goran is dangerous and he is very happy."

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jasmin
09-28-2007, 01:50 PM
Let's not sugarcoat what Hewitt is deep down.

MusicMyst
09-28-2007, 02:15 PM
Gay rights organizations complained about Agassi's use of the word "fag" on several occasions, so I guess all posts about him should be use the term "homophobe". Same thing for Goran Ivanesivic, who just couldn't understand why using "gay" to be mean "bad" was so wrong.


And BTW, based on what I know now about James Blake from his behavior this year in Las Vegas and his J-Block, I think there's at least a good chance that he was getting some illegal help from that linesman, and he damn well knew it and kept his mouth shut. I don't buy his Holier-Than-Thou act for a single second.

tangerine_dream
09-28-2007, 03:08 PM
Seems like the Hewitt v Pashanski match was a fiery encounter.

http://www.rediff.com/sports/2007/sep/28mumbai.htm
I don't know which vice of Pashanski's is worse: being a racist or being stupid enough to piss off Hewitt in the middle of a match where he has break point. Duh.

R.Federer
09-28-2007, 03:16 PM
Hewitt`s not a racist;)
The Blake incident was 6-years ago @ USO [2001]~~ get over it:(
@ the Blake incident Hewitt was merely pointing out the fact that the same linesman foot faulted him multiple times..then Lleyton said "you tell me the difference [referring to the fact that the same guy kept foot faulting]".. It was a coincidence that the guy was black & so was Hewitt`s opponent~~ so everyone jumped on the hate bandwagon without looking at the facts:sad:

Not quite --
He said "You look at Him (Blake) and look at him (Linesperson) and tel me what the difference is."

He was most likely implying that they are of the same race. It does not make him a racist, but it didn't come off too well either.

With that incident, he could have been pointing out the fact that both are American.
And how does Lleyton Hewitt find out what nationality the linesperson is? :confused: :lol:

CmonAussie
09-28-2007, 03:23 PM
that is not right, he called Coria,Nalbandian, and Massa as "sudacas" or any similar in a junior tournament too

in this article , look at the part about the french open in that year
US Open: Crowd chide `racist' Hewitt

By Neil Harman
Last Updated: 6:18pm BST 01/09/2001

LLEYTON HEWITT would never win prizes for diplomatic decorum. In Australia, a land that expected its players to fight hard and behave on the court like freckle-faced boys-next-door Rod Laver and Ken Rosewell, the brash, uncompromising Hewitt has been received with mixed reviews.

Hewitt was involved in a fabulous tussle with James Blake, born in Brooklyn, raised in Harlem - the roughest, toughest area of this teeming metropolis - and educated at the Ivy League college of Harvard. When a black linesman twice foot-faulted Hewitt on crucial points in the third set, the kid stormed across to Swiss umpire Andreas Egli and screamed that he should be removed.
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Hewitt's most contentious comment was: "Look at him (the linesman) and tell me what the similarity is (beckoning towards Blake)," brutal words clearly picked up by the courtside microphones. "I want him off the court, I've only been foot-faulted at one end. Look at what he's done."

In the press conference after a 6-4, 3-6, 2-6, 6-3, 6-0 victory, made easier by Blake's physical distress, Hewitt would not be deterred from his assertion that he meant nothing racial. But the incident further soured a reputation that is not unblemished.

This year at the French Open, he described Egli - who must have nightmares about sitting in the chair for Hewitt's matches - as a "spastic." The following day Hewitt had to apologise to the Spastics Society which bombarded Australian news stations with complaints.

This time, Hewitt was unrepentant. "It was a conversation between me and the umpire. I come from a multi-cultured country. I'm not racial in any way. People can have their own opinions, there was nothing racial said out there. You can all think what you want.

"I know what I said to the umpire and the umpire knows as well. I'm a very passionate player when I get out there. I give everything I've got. I don't think anyone is going to be happy to be foot-faulted on a deuce point when you're serving at one set all, one all, you hit an unreturnable serve and there's a late call.

"I'm out there to do a job, playing one of the four tournaments in the year that means the most to any player. We're hungry for the Grand Slams - this is what you live for." Did he have any reaction to the crowd booing at the end and saying "Hewitt sucks"? "Didn't hear it mate," was his response.

They are not as tolerant of Hewitt here as they are back home. He stepped over the mark against Blake, which will further sour his less than convivial relations with the Australian media, whom he feels has a vendetta against him. "I get pumped up on the court, I like to show emotion and not everyone likes it," he told me at Wimbledon this year. "But it's me. When I was a kid playing footie, if one of the boys kicked a goal, we'd be in a hug in the centre of the ground. Then it was back to your position.

He may find that level dwindling in some quarters, but not among those who need him on their side. Australia's Davis Cup coach, Wally Masur, said: "How much can the media flog this thing? The proof of the pudding was that the two players shook hands and Lleyton told him [Blake] what a good game he'd played."

"I'm generally a positive thinker. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. If you feel you have a couple of bad calls, it can really frustrate you. When you do bad things on the court, you look back and feel it's not really who you are."




Read the facts here;)

Hewitt`s not a racist & never has been:cool:
Llegs said some dumb things early in his career due to his lack of formal education & commonly used Aussie slang [esp in Adelaide where he grew up]..

The worst thing Hewitt ever said was the "spastic" remark @ the 2001 FO... & he gave a full apology for that at the time! Keep in mind that Lleyton was still a teenager at the beginning of that year & to be honest with you kids @ school often use that term!!

>>>Even Tiger Woods [the true Jesus:angel: ] himself used the word spastic last year & when forced to apologise he said something along the lines of "..i wasn`t aware spastic was so offensive...". Mr.Woods went to Stanford University, whilst Hewitt hardly attended high school;)

There was no media storm after Tiger used the word `spastic` yet when Lleyton said it the knives were out:sad: ... & Hewitt`s apology was more sincere;)
>>>There`s true racism for you~~ Hewitt gets demonised:devil: & Woods `same mistake` gets easily forgiven & forgotten:eek:

Why do so many people want to think the worst of Hewitt:confused: :confused:

MusicMyst
09-28-2007, 03:28 PM
In America, "spastic" doesn't have the negative connotations it appearently does in other English-speaking countries, as Tiger noted. It just means a clumsy person. You can usually call somebody a "spazz" here without the PC police coming down on you with their self-righteousness in high gear.

WF4EVER
09-28-2007, 05:22 PM
LMAO@ the thread title.

How appropriate.

amierin
09-28-2007, 05:50 PM
Easily best thread title of the year!:worship:

R.Federer
09-28-2007, 06:48 PM
In America, "spastic" doesn't have the negative connotations it appearently does in other English-speaking countries, as Tiger noted. It just means a clumsy person. You can usually call somebody a "spazz" here without the PC police coming down on you with their self-righteousness in high gear.

That's probably because the truly spastic people are not called that in the US, but called something like "differentially challenged" or "differentially abled". So in fact, the PC police has already worked itself into that word and made it obsolete in the original sense.

*snowflake*
09-28-2007, 07:14 PM
Wow i never heard that about Pashanski...damn shame

Kolya
09-29-2007, 02:36 AM
Looks like racism won in this match.

Fee
09-29-2007, 03:04 AM
Hewitt doesn't know the difference between the words 'racial' and 'racist'. Sadly, he's not the only native English speaker that makes that same mistake.

Anyhoo, the whole Blake incident just needs to die. It was more 'scandalous' that he accused a linesman of straight cheating, but no one even paid attention to that at the time because they were so sidetracked by the other issue.

I'm not fond of Hewitt in any way, but I don't think he's a racist.

Majlo
09-29-2007, 03:17 AM
Pashanski is probably a Četnik and yes I know what that means and as for Hewitt being racist, that story was a massive media beat up at the time. He is a few things, but he isn't racist.

Is something bothering you? Feel free to tell us(serbian people on this forum)

MusicMyst
09-29-2007, 04:20 AM
That's probably because the truly spastic people are not called that in the US, but called something like "differentially challenged" or "differentially abled". So in fact, the PC police has already worked itself into that word and made it obsolete in the original sense.

Well, if by "truly spastic people" you mean people with CP, then, in the States, they're known as, um, "people with CP." :)

scoobs
09-29-2007, 07:49 AM
Pashanski is probably a Četnik and yes I know what that means and as for Hewitt being racist, that story was a massive media beat up at the time. He is a few things, but he isn't racist.

And what is a Četnik for those of us not in the know on such things?

scoobs
09-29-2007, 07:49 AM
Really ?

Did you make this up at the same time you accused me of supporting Pashanski and said I was supporting "greater serbia" through him when I never even talked about him . I think you have some serious issues besides serb baiting from your comfy home in sweden or wherever , obviously you are not helping yourself by posting 50 times a day of mostly unconnected diatribes. Please get help immediatelly, get a real job or get a life !
You're a fine one to demand someone else get a life.

Action Jackson
09-29-2007, 10:58 AM
Is something bothering you? Feel free to tell us(serbian people on this forum)

What would be bothering me? Pashanski is a racist clown and a dickhead, this does not mean that all Serbians are like that.

Jogy
09-29-2007, 12:00 PM
so this was a battle of racists?
to the Argentine poster who makes the title: we could just as well make a title "wins battle of cheaters" when some players play against

Warrior
09-29-2007, 12:05 PM
Hewitt`s not a racist;)
The Blake incident was 6-years ago @ USO [2001]~~ get over it:(
@ the Blake incident Hewitt was merely pointing out the fact that the same linesman foot faulted him multiple times..then Lleyton said "you tell me the difference [referring to the fact that the same guy kept foot faulting]".. It was a coincidence that the guy was black & so was Hewitt`s opponent~~ so everyone jumped on the hate bandwagon without looking at the facts:sad:

I agree, people just wanted the controversy.

ReturnWinner
09-29-2007, 12:55 PM
I agree, people just wanted the controversy.

just posted this title because it was curious the both players involved in those type of cases played each other,"-the facts are true, no doubt they did or said those things"-, i did not pretend to start any controversy

its all the opposite, CmonAussie started the controversy by denying all and changing the true facts about Hewitt

ReturnWinner
09-29-2007, 12:56 PM
so this was a battle of racists?
to the Argentine poster who makes the title: we could just as well make a title "wins battle of cheaters" when some players play against

u can do whatever u want , ignorant asshole.

Action Jackson
09-29-2007, 01:35 PM
Really ?

Did you make this up at the same time you accused me of supporting Pashanski and said I was supporting "greater serbia" through him when I never even talked about him . I think you have some serious issues besides serb baiting from your comfy home in sweden or wherever , obviously you are not helping yourself by posting 50 times a day of mostly unconnected diatribes. Please get help immediatelly, get a real job or get a life !

I am not the one who was pissing on Djokovic when he was in the 80s ranked behind Pashanski when Boris was winning all the challengers. It's all in the Djokovic forum, but I forgot you can't read that.

You are the one who has delusional conspiracy theories and thinks everyone who dislikes anyone from Serbia has a hidden agenda. Pashanski is a wanker irrespective of his nationality, but hey this must mean I hate Djokovic, Tipsarevic and Bozoljac and my other Serbian friends.

I'd rather take serving lessons from Volandri than to learn perspective from you. Unlike yourself I actually like tennis, you wouldn't even watch the game if Djokovic, Ivanovic and Jankovic weren't doing well.

Magenta
09-29-2007, 01:44 PM
Pashanski is probably a Četnik and yes I know what that means and as for Hewitt being racist, that story was a massive media beat up at the time. He is a few things, but he isn't racist.

Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with what you've said thus far...

I really don't think the origins of Cetniks or being a Cetnik has any connotations with racism.

Nice title :lol:

Action Jackson
09-29-2007, 01:58 PM
Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with what you've said thus far...

I really don't think the origins of Cetniks or being a Cetnik has any connotations with racism.

Nice title :lol:

Well they were Serbian royalists first and foremost, but there are nasty undercurrents of racist ideology amongst it.

Magenta
09-29-2007, 02:10 PM
Well they were Serbian royalists first and foremost, but there are nasty undercurrents of racist ideology amongst it.

:lol:
And what would that ideology be?

They were royalists formed as a consequence of the Ottoman occupation of the Balkans.
Their involvement in WW2 was largely in the fight against communist partisans and nazi occupation.

The involvement in the later Yugoslav wars is questionable, as a lot of "fighters" fought under the name of Cetniks, but were not actually in any way affiliated with the original.

This is coming from a person who has no ties or sympathies towards any kind of Cetnik movement, yet I feel compelled to qualify your statement.

Action Jackson
09-29-2007, 02:20 PM
:lol:
And what would that ideology be?

They were royalists formed as a consequence of the Ottoman occupation of the Balkans.
Their involvement in WW2 was largely in the fight against communist partisans and nazi occupation.

Accurate.

The involvement in the later Yugoslav wars is questionable, as a lot of "fighters" fought under the name of Cetniks, but were not actually in any way affiliated with the original.

This is coming from a person who has no ties or sympathies towards any kind of Cetnik movement, yet I feel compelled to qualify your statement.

So you are saying that ultra nationalists and the expansionists came under the banner of Cetniks, but nothing to do the with original meaning? This is far from the first time that has happened and it won't be the last.

Magenta
09-29-2007, 02:39 PM
Accurate.



So you are saying that ultra nationalists and the expansionists came under the banner of Cetniks, but nothing to do the with original meaning? This is far from the first time that has happened and it won't be the last.

I believe that a lot of them labelled themselves Cetniks, perhaps their grandfathers, or fathers were, but they as such were no different from other criminals participating in the war. They were nationalists, both the WW2 Cetniks and the Yugoslav war "Cetniks" but I would draw a distinction between nationalist and racist.

The point I was trying to make is that there was no prevailing racist ideology behind the Cetnik movement.
And even if you were to consider the fighters of the 90s Cetniks, their actions were historically and politically motivated, rather than racially as such. Do you see my point? ;)

I don't think I want to dwell on it anymore, I guess the point just sounded a little funny to me in that, because Pashanski is racist, he is also Cetnik.

Warrior
09-29-2007, 02:40 PM
just posted this title because it was curious the both players involved in those type of cases played each other,"-the facts are true, no doubt they did or said those things"-, i did not pretend to start any controversy

its all the opposite, CmonAussie started the controversy by denying all and changing the true facts about Hewitt

The incident from what I can remember:

HEWITT: Remove that linesman. Just looks at what happened because of him!
UMPIRE: Are you saying these calls were made my the same linesman?
HEWITT: Don't you see any other similarities?

I am pretty sure how it all occured. If anyone have the recording of the incident to confirm or deny what happened, please do so.

Action Jackson
09-29-2007, 02:47 PM
I believe that a lot of them labelled themselves Cetniks, perhaps their grandfathers, or fathers were, but they as such were no different than other criminals participating in the war. They were nationalists, both the WW2 Cetniks and the Yugoslav war "Cetniks" but I would draw a distinction between nationalist and racist.

The point I was trying to make is that there was no prevailing racist ideology behind the Cetnik movement.
And even if you were to consider the fighters of the 90s Cetniks, their actions were historically and politically motivated, rather than racially as such. Do you see my point? ;)

I don't think I want to dwell on it anymore, I guess the point just sounded a little funny to me in that because Pashanski is racist he is also Cetnik.

There is the grey area between nationalist and racist, and of course not all nationalists are racists. I agree the original ideology wasn't racist.

As for the 90s, well every side was guilty in that war and there were definitely racist elements in that, but we agree that Borracist has some rather strange views for all his faults, at least he didn't behind them.

Magenta
09-29-2007, 03:07 PM
Borracist :lol:

I wish they would take him off the DC team...

Action Jackson
09-29-2007, 03:10 PM
I only thought he was in the team as a back up for Tipsarevic if he got injured. He isn't normally in the squad for whatever reasons. Though he'd only be in the team for clay ties.

Magenta
09-29-2007, 03:14 PM
Yeah, he was a backup but I still don't want him on it, in any form.

Action Jackson
09-29-2007, 03:15 PM
You going to cheer Borracist when he comes to Melbourne, he will almost be direct entry.

Magenta
09-29-2007, 03:18 PM
You going to cheer Borracist when he comes to Melbourne, he will almost be direct entry.


No way the boxhead can support himself. And I'm going to encourage other 'supporters' (you know who they are ;) ) to do the same...