Roddick, J. Johansson & T. Johansson withdrew from Bangkok, 5 lucky losers in so far! [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

Roddick, J. Johansson & T. Johansson withdrew from Bangkok, 5 lucky losers in so far!

Labamba
09-26-2007, 09:53 AM
Did they even show up? Hopefully Pim-Pim is not injured again? :awww:

Bangkok is a good place for lucky losers :lol:

Stadler
Bastl
Martin
Siriluethaiwattana
King -> IN

Lee
Djokovic
J. Johansson
T. Johansson
Roddick -> OUT

I think the same thing happened once in Rotterdam? :scratch:

edit: Roddick also out, is this a new record?

Deathless Mortal
09-26-2007, 09:54 AM
Stadler should've played against ToJo
So now one lucky loser will play against another? :lol:

Labamba
09-26-2007, 09:58 AM
Stadler should've played against ToJo
So now one lucky loser will play against another? :lol:

Stadler will play against Peerakit Siriluethaiwattana :rolls: Thai player, who had a wildcard entry into the qualifying

scoobs
09-26-2007, 10:22 AM
Luckily for the vocal chords of all concerned, Wachiramanowong just lost to Berdych.

peacechick
09-26-2007, 12:00 PM
I think the same thing happened once in Rotterdam? :scratch:

That was last year.
if I remember correctly there were 13 players who pulled out :o
Lots of alternates and LL in that one :rolleyes:

Adler
09-26-2007, 12:15 PM
Malaysian, thai and polish surnames just kick ass, no question about it. Luckilly for judges they all lose early

jonny84
09-26-2007, 12:23 PM
Good tournament for the Lucky Losers then!

Loftra
09-26-2007, 12:24 PM
That was last year.
if I remember correctly there were 13 players who pulled out :o
Lots of alternates and LL in that one :rolleyes:

Arvind Parmar made it to the QF and C. Rochus reached the final. That says enough.

scarecrows
09-26-2007, 12:25 PM
That was last year.
if I remember correctly there were 13 players who pulled out :o
Lots of alternates and LL in that one :rolleyes:

and Christopher Rochus made the final http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3990/142smilieoh9.gif

Caio_Brasil
09-26-2007, 12:27 PM
add Roddick to this list :tape:

Philip King IN

Jaap
09-26-2007, 12:28 PM
When Arvind Parmar gets a direct entry into a tournament, you know its mickey mouse. When he gets to a quarter final, it turns into Minny Mouse.

Blue Heart24
09-26-2007, 12:29 PM
Roddick is out too :lol:
This is a crazy week :crazy: 5 LL's here and how many in Mumbai?
Phillip King lost in the Qualy 2R and now he's in the MD :haha:

scarecrows
09-26-2007, 12:29 PM
add Roddick to this list :tape:

Philip King IN

:haha:

soon they'll take some guy from the street to fill the draw because they are running out of LLs

Labamba
09-26-2007, 12:31 PM
Roddick out :haha:

Will Haas go too?

Caio_Brasil
09-26-2007, 12:32 PM
I wish we had some brazilians playing there... this could be a key to improve the rankings :(

krystlel
09-26-2007, 12:32 PM
All these late withdrawals are very annoying to me. (although I'm sure in some cases, the players did not plan to withdraw early on)

scarecrows
09-26-2007, 12:35 PM
there's was a promo poster 1 month ago in Bangkok about the open with the faces of Roddick, Nadal, Djokovic, Paradorn and Becker

I laughed when i saw Becker in between those but he's the only 1 that really played there now :lol:

Action Jackson
09-26-2007, 12:35 PM
Mike Russell must be loving this.

Horatio Caine
09-26-2007, 12:40 PM
When Arvind Parmar gets a direct entry into a tournament, you know its mickey mouse. When he gets to a quarter final, it turns into Minny Mouse.

:haha: :haha: :bigcry:

Tim retired too early, and Boggo should have made the trip. :o

scoobs
09-26-2007, 12:44 PM
Mike Russell : Why? He lost didn't he?

Action Jackson
09-26-2007, 12:47 PM
Mike Russell : Why? He lost didn't he?

Look at all these LL's he could have been playing. You see he has pissed someone off when it comes to draws, but that is life.

Jaap
09-26-2007, 12:53 PM
Wang and King now play eachother. I wonder if they will toss before the match?

Ome
09-26-2007, 12:54 PM
:rolls:

The announcement on center court was hilarious... "We're sorry to inform you that J.Johansson withdrew and will be replaced by..."
2 mins later, "We're sorry to tell you that T.Johansson withdrew because of fever..." And the saved they best for last :dance: You could hear the moaning when the fans heard Roddick name :lol:

scoobs
09-26-2007, 01:00 PM
It's a bit piss-poor from the players, to be honest - WTA-esque move.

They all knew they'd be involved in big Davis cup matches when they entered.

Deboogle!.
09-26-2007, 02:20 PM
It's a bit piss-poor from the players, to be honest - WTA-esque move.

They all knew they'd be involved in big Davis cup matches when they entered.exactly, which is why I was so @#$@$% when I saw 6 weeks ago that Andy even entered. The only other time he played in 2004 he got hurt, too. But to be fair from news reports the injury he picked up is something that happened in his practice after his arrival on Tuesday and could've happened anywhere at any time I guess :shrug: It's a long trip to make for a practice just to pull out, so I don't see any incentive these 3 guys would have to bullshit it especially since by not playing they don't even get their money :shrug: It's absolutely awful for the tournament and even worse for the fans but in this case I guess there wasn't much for anyone to do about it. They get there Tuesday morning (the 3 of them probably arrived together), practice, in Andy's case (dunno about the Johanssons because there aren't news articles about it lol) pick up some kind of foot problem, get treatment, it still hurts on Wednesday. Not much time. I just personally hope he'll stop entering it. as you said, no one wins from the situation, least of all the Thai fans who don't get to see much big tennis and get so excited only for most of the top players to pull out. Bummer, really.

Sunset of Age
09-26-2007, 02:20 PM
It's a bit piss-poor from the players, to be honest - WTA-esque move.

They all knew they'd be involved in big Davis cup matches when they entered.

Indeed. Not those who are actually injured, of course, but all those other withdrawing players should get fined here I think.
Does anyone know, do they get fined for pulling out at such a late stage?

scarecrows
09-26-2007, 02:22 PM
Indeed. Not those who are actually injured, of course, but all those other withdrawing players should get fined here I think.
Does anyone know, do they get fined for pulling out at such a late stage?

I think they do

i dont know how many days before they should withdraw to avoid the fine

Deboogle!.
09-26-2007, 02:25 PM
Indeed. Not those who are actually injured, of course, but all those other withdrawing players should get fined here I think.
Does anyone know, do they get fined for pulling out at such a late stage?Not if their withdrawal is OKed by the tourney doctor, which I imagine it will be. I just don't see anyone being dumb enough to take such a long trip just to pull out one day later if it wasn't something legitimate

Sunset of Age
09-26-2007, 02:29 PM
Not if their withdrawal is OKed by the tourney doctor, which I imagine it will be. I just don't see anyone being dumb enough to take such a long trip just to pull out one day later if it wasn't something legitimate

One would think so, indeed - but perhaps the fine is less than the appearance $$$$$$ megabucks they already recieved? :devil: ;)

Deboogle!.
09-26-2007, 02:33 PM
One would think so, indeed - but perhaps the fine is less than the appearance $$$$$$ megabucks they already recieved? :devil: ;)you don't get your appearance $$$$$$$$$$ until you step on court and play your first round match ;) In fact the Thai papers said a couple days ago that the tournament might have been happy to not have to pay Nadal the $500,000 fee they had promised him ;) Some tourneys allegedly have in their contracts that the players can't pull out until a late date and they will get a little money for that, but I've never personally seen or heard of that being substantiated but it has come up on here before. But anyway, they could have fulfilled that and still not made the trip so I really assume they intended to play.


btw PimPim's reason for withdrawal was "fatigue" and ToJo's was a back injury, according to Tennis Week

~EMiLiTA~
09-26-2007, 03:53 PM
the ultimate mickey mouse week: Bangkok and Mumbai

Mateya
09-26-2007, 04:00 PM
LOL, what a tournament. What about my grandpa getting in when they run out of LL? :rolleyes:

Withdrawals from some players were not totaly fair :tape:

Sunset of Age
09-26-2007, 04:08 PM
you don't get your appearance $$$$$$$$$$ until you step on court and play your first round match ;) In fact the Thai papers said a couple days ago that the tournament might have been happy to not have to pay Nadal the $500,000 fee they had promised him ;) Some tourneys allegedly have in their contracts that the players can't pull out until a late date and they will get a little money for that, but I've never personally seen or heard of that being substantiated but it has come up on here before. But anyway, they could have fulfilled that and still not made the trip so I really assume they intended to play.


Thanks for the info, it sounds very reasonable to me. I was actually not all that serious when I made that remark about fine vs. appearance fee, BTW. ;)

alfonsojose
09-26-2007, 04:21 PM
It's a bit piss-poor from the players, to be honest - WTA-esque move.

They all knew they'd be involved in big Davis cup matches when they entered.

Total lack of respect for Thai fans :rolleyes:

And Roddick announcing his withdrawal dressed like this :fiery:

Deboogle!.
09-26-2007, 04:42 PM
Total lack of respect for Thai fans :rolleyes:

And Roddick announcing his withdrawal dressed like this :fiery:this is how he always dresses :sobbing: wanna join some of us on a raid of his house to rid him of jeans like this? :p :D :haha:

alfonsojose
09-26-2007, 05:03 PM
this is how he always dresses :sobbing: wanna join some of us on a raid of his house to rid him of jeans like this? :p :D :haha:

If i can get some dirty boxers, i'm in ;)

Allure
09-26-2007, 05:49 PM
Wow. No Pim Pim. Even though I don't like Roddick, it sucks that he withdrew too. This tournament is ridiculous. At least Berdych is still in. And he better win the tournie now. :rolleyes:

R.Federer
09-26-2007, 05:57 PM
That's so unprofessional! Barring real injuries, this is so unprofessional.

And for the "injuries" that are deemed to be such from the tournament doctors, I wonder how many of these players would have continued to play with the same injury had it been a bigger tournament with a bigger paycheck.

Deboogle!.
09-26-2007, 06:06 PM
That's so unprofessional! Barring real injuries, this is so unprofessional.

And for the "injuries" that are deemed to be such from the tournament doctors, I wonder how many of these players would have continued to play with the same injury had it been a bigger tournament with a bigger paycheck.Sure I mean, it doesn't sound like Andy's foot thing is that serious. If it had been Davis Cup I'm sure he would've played, but I mean take him for example, he was there. He practiced, intended to play. blahblah. he pulled out like an hour before his match, if he hadn't told anyone about his injury but had just walked on court and played a few games or a set and then retired, he would've gotten a HUGE check, probably a few hundred thousand USD. It absolutely sucks for the tournament and most especially the fans, but I don't think you can ask these guys to play with an injury in a smaller event. Assuming the injuries are legit (ok, I don't know how PimPim is fatigued after one match in 8 months...), I don't think you can blame them for not playing even if the injury isn't serious. Andy said point blank that every decision he makes from now til november is to make sure he is 100% for davis cup. For him to play on an even minor foot injury would be silly.

who knows, the whole thing is a little messed up unfortunately.

smitty8
09-26-2007, 06:11 PM
this is how he always dresses :sobbing: wanna join some of us on a raid of his house to rid him of jeans like this? :p :D :haha:

I haven't worn jeans with the knees ripped out since the early 1990s! He needs to go shopping with me.

Allure
09-26-2007, 06:13 PM
With all the tournies (he hasn't been winning) he can't afford nice jeans. Greedy Roger. :rolleyes:

Fee
09-26-2007, 06:18 PM
Pim Pim's fatigue could be the end/beginning of the flu that everyone else had last week, perhaps. Or he just didn't do well on the flight over.

This sucks, but some of these players should know better. It's the end of the year, they just played a slam, took a week off, played Davis Cup and thought they were going to show up for a tournament a day later? I agree with Deb's earlier post that this never should have been on Andy's schedule in the first place, and Djokovic for sure needs to do better schedule management next year. Enough of chasing the appearance dollars, all of these top players need to take care of themselves for the long term.

With all the tournies (he hasn't been winning) he can't afford nice jeans. Greedy Roger. :rolleyes:

You think Andy makes his money by winning tournaments? Please, he's the top player in a country with how many events?

anny12
09-26-2007, 08:03 PM
How does one get diagnosed with fatigue? I always thought fatigue meant tired, but in the medical world, is it something different? I would imagine being a professional athlete would be pretty tiring so aren't they always kind of fatigued? I'm disappointed Andy's not playing, but if he's hurt it would be stupid to play. At least he made the trip and made an effort to play. As for the jeans, I remember reading somewhere once that he had a pair of jeans that were falling apart, but he refused to throw them away. Why I remember that I don't know. More useless trivia taking up space.

tangerine_dream
09-27-2007, 09:19 PM
Just saw this..........

Compensation for upset fans

The Thailand Open organisers have tried to please fans who are upset by the withdrawals of several popular stars. The organisers announced yesterday that ticket holders for the current tournament would get a 25% discount when they buy one for next year's event.

The announcement came after the pull-outs of top three players Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic and Andy Roddick who all claimed they were injured.

''The withdrawals were unfortunate. Tennis is a tough game and injuries do occur,'' said Chaipak Siriwat, chairman of the organising committee.

He said there was no refund policy for fans in tennis tournaments around the world. However, as a goodwill gesture, tickets holders for this year's tournament will enjoy a 25% discount on the price of next year's tickets.

ATP CEO Brad Drewett said such withdrawals were beyond the organisers' control and praised the organisers for the move.