Disgustingly Horrible TV Coverage [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

Disgustingly Horrible TV Coverage

Ballbuster
05-29-2004, 07:22 PM
OK NBC showed only two matches in their Saturday coverage, Venus and Serena Williams win. It was taped and they even added commercials after the even games to make it last for three hours. It was so freaking boring. How is this supposed to help the game when you show two boring matches in three hours. And ESPN is showing Capriati now, so we won't get to see Guga vs. Club Fed until the highlights show at 11 et.

Could NBC's coverage suck any more ass?

Neely
05-29-2004, 07:26 PM
I feel with you :sad: :hug:
most of the things sound really horrible what I'm always hearing from people in the US :rolleyes:

looks as if you can't get that goddamn Tennis Channel you just have to rely on the bad bad coverage of the other channels that completely sucks

Ballbuster
05-29-2004, 07:31 PM
i'm not sure the tennis channel has grand slam coverage

Leo
05-29-2004, 07:34 PM
You're right, the NoBodyCares (about tennis) network has always sucked with tennis coverage. I'm just thankful that ESPN's has been better this week than usual.

gillian
05-29-2004, 07:36 PM
LIVID. That's how I felt when I realized they weren't even going to show any of the men's matches. I'm BEYOND disgusted with NBC's coverage. Thinking I was going to see better coverage on ESPN @ 3, I was rudely awakened when they started showing Capriati v. Bovina. This while Safin/Starace were just getting a fifth set underway!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! The jingoistic coverage in this country is truly despicable.

Whew! Thanks for letting me rant.

tazban1
05-29-2004, 07:40 PM
It's not just that they chose two of the worst matches, but then they give the scores away for the upcoming matches! I can understand putting the Williams matches on, but why ruin all the other matches? I know that ESPN and NBC aren't affiliates, but since they're covering the same tournament you'd think that they'd work together a little. The Capriati/Bovina match looked interesting but NBC spoiled it. And after repeatedly revealing the Federer/Kuerten result on both networks, they say that it will get covered later tonight :rolleyes:

Even when the same network shows an already played match, they often spoil it. I don't know how many times it's happened where the commentator will babble on about a player winning or getting upset and then say something like "later, we'll show you that match". If they know they're going to show the match, they should keep it suspenseful for people who resist the internet temptation. People who want to know right away have plenty of resources to find out.

BaselineSmash
05-29-2004, 07:48 PM
They should invent a new language entirely composed of expletives for the crime that is Eurosport. They started on Chatrier at the start of the day -Capriati's yawnsome match, fair enough, because at least it segued into Federer v. Kuerten. We in Britain received the whole match, everything was looking good, then it descended into UTTER FUCKING TENNIS FAN HELL. And no, I'm not talking about having to watch successive (pre quarter-final) women's matches.

Superbike racing, then the Giro came next, I was getting fucking pissed and screaming at the TV, although the rational part of me knew that they had to let the bastards out there see their scheduled biking...

Then the coverage overran by forty-five minutes over the precious tennis play. Cue expletives, punches thrown at walls, doors etc. My wits returned, finally, when the tennis returned, but Hewitt v. Verkerk was a real downer in the last two sets. That was ok, because the remainder of the Safin v. Starace was promised us on-screen afterwards. I was sitting on the couch in patient anticipation of it, but when the commercial break was done with...THEY SHOWED HIGHLIGHTS OF THE WILLIAMS SISTERS' MATCHES INSTEAD OF THE PROMISED MOTHERFUCKING LIVE TENNIS! I HAD NEVER SEEN POTITO IN ACTION BEFORE. I WANTED TO SEE POTITO. BUT WHERE WAS POTITO? YOU MOTHERFUCKERS! :mad: :mad:

MAY THE EUROSPORT SCHEDULERS (AND ALL OTHERS RESPONSIBLE) BE CONDEMNED TO 24/7 REPEATS OF THE WILLIAMS SISTERS IN ACTION FOR THE REST OF THEIR MISERABLE FUCKING LIVES! I BANISH THEE TO TENNIS HELL, FUCKERS! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

gillian
05-29-2004, 07:50 PM
I guess my main beef w/the U.S. coverage is that they show taped tennis WHILE live tennis is going on. NOTHING gets this tennis fan angrier. It's like saying, well, an NBA playoff game is going on right now, but we'll show you a game from earlier today. It's unheard of when covering any other major sporting event (save the Olympics). I just don't get the boneheaded logic of these TV programmers.

KarstenBraasch#1
05-29-2004, 08:09 PM
They should invent a new language entirely composed of expletives for the crime that is Eurosport. They started on Chatrier at the start of the day -Capriati's yawnsome match, fair enough, because at least it segued into Federer v. Kuerten. We in Britain received the whole match, everything was looking good, then it descended into UTTER FUCKING TENNIS FAN HELL. And no, I'm not talking about having to watch successive (pre quarter-final) women's matches.

Superbike racing, then the Giro came next, I was getting fucking pissed and screaming at the TV, although the rational part of me knew that they had to let the bastards out there see their scheduled biking...

Then the coverage overran by forty-five minutes over the precious tennis play. Cue expletives, punches thrown at walls, doors etc. My wits returned, finally, when the tennis returned, but Hewitt v. Verkerk was a real downer in the last two sets. That was ok, because the remainder of the Safin v. Starace was promised us on-screen afterwards. I was sitting on the couch in patient anticipation of it, but when the commercial break was done with...THEY SHOWED HIGHLIGHTS OF THE WILLIAMS SISTERS' MATCHES INSTEAD OF THE PROMISED MOTHERFUCKING LIVE TENNIS! I HAD NEVER SEEN POTITO IN ACTION BEFORE. I WANTED TO SEE POTITO. BUT WHERE WAS POTITO? YOU MOTHERFUCKERS! :mad: :mad:

MAY THE EUROSPORT SCHEDULERS (AND ALL OTHERS RESPONSIBLE) BE CONDEMNED TO 24/7 REPEATS OF THE WILLIAMS SISTERS IN ACTION FOR THE REST OF THEIR MISERABLE FUCKING LIVES! I BANISH THEE TO TENNIS HELL, FUCKERS! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:
I agree. I have Eurosport Int. but it was basically the same.

Neely
05-29-2004, 08:11 PM
yes, I agree that the Eurosport coverage was also bad today. The switch-over to the Giro d'Italia is really annoying as a tennis fan, but Eurosport always says that they are bounded by contract to show cycling.
But anyway, in the afternoon, another German TV station is broadcasting from the French Open while Eurosport is switching over to cycling so I didn't miss Roger's and Guga's match today.

But the thing that pissed me off in the evening was that they didn't cover the promised Safin match. They tuned out too early showing nothing of the current evening live matches, that really pissed me off!!! :banghead: :banghead: :fiery: :mad:

amethyst
05-29-2004, 08:22 PM
Neely, I totaly agree with you on Eurosport today! They promised to cover the Safin match and showed taped Wiliams matches instead! And I was shocked they switched to cycling after second set of Guga-Federer. Luckily we still had the ARD coverage, otherwise I would have done some damage to my TV......

Guille's Girl
05-29-2004, 09:08 PM
OMG! :sad: I truly feel awful for BaselineSmash! :sad: Oh man I can't IMAGINE!!!...yes I can. YESTERDAY!!! ESPN swore they we're gonna show Santoro vs Mutis! I was like "YaY!!!!" NO!!!!!!!!!!! RERUN OF SHARAPOVA VS ZVONAREVA!!! It was sooooooooooooo looooooong and depressssssssssssssING!!!!!!!!!!! and LOUD!!!! all the torturous GRUNTS and lack of applause!! Oh GOD!!! It was litterally MURDER!!! And WHAT was with the COMMENTATING ON NBC??? OMG I thought ESPN was bad. So many jokes with bad or NO puns, just boring!!! "Boring" doesn't even come close to describing it!!!! But Lo! I was SAVED TODAY!!!! HAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!!!! SOCCER!!!!! RIVERPLATE VS RACCING!!! Riverplate won :bounce: I guess there's hope tomorrow. What the fuck am I saying? There's never any hope. All the starting matches on center court involve French players, *sighs* so yeah, we'll probably see Mauresmo!!!!!!!!!!!! and Coria!!!!!!!!!! hehehehehe, ahem, YEAH! Coria's match is right after Amelie's. If I get to see BOTH of these matches I'll be happy....for a day. C'MON AMELIE!! SHOW US A THRASHING!!! so you can hurry up and get off the court :p

RogiFan88
05-29-2004, 09:21 PM
are you surprised? of course they showed the Serena sisters cos all the Amer men sucked big time and wimped out back to the good ol US of A...

what else is new???

Mary Pierce didn't do her job... as predicted... despite a less than perfect Venus. And Serena was playing so crappily it hurt, yet she still wins...

Clara Bow
05-29-2004, 09:45 PM
To twist a Bart Simpson quote - all of the NBC coverage and most of the ESPN coverage both sucks and blows.

They show sh** matches with the same people and then complain about low ratings - by blaming tennis itself instead of their horrible, horrible coverage. It is unreal how much they are biased towards American players at the utter expense of any other player from another country. They seem to be worse in this aspect towards men's tennis as opposed to women's.

For those of you in the US - I highly recommend you write to NBC and ESPN to let them know how disappointed you are with their coverage and how they need to show a greater array of matches.

Ballbuster
05-29-2004, 09:51 PM
For those of you in the US - I highly recommend you write to NBC and ESPN to let them know how disappointed you are with their coverage and how they need to show a greater array of matches.
I was thinking the same thing. We should all send a mass of emails to both NBC and ESPN telling how much they suck ass

Ballbuster
05-29-2004, 09:53 PM
Is there anyone other than me that has no life and will be watching the Guga-Club Fed match on a Saturday night?

TheGrandstand
05-29-2004, 09:59 PM
I think CBS/USA does the best tennis coverage during the US Open. They do a good job of throwing you to different courts, etc. Now, I understand that they are dealing with a live process at normal times but I would have to say they could do at least a better job than NBC.

Ballbuster
05-29-2004, 10:06 PM
I think CBS/USA does the best tennis coverage during the US Open. They do a good job of throwing you to different courts, etc. Now, I understand that they are dealing with a live process at normal times but I would have to say they could do at least a better job than NBC.
To me, USA has the best tennis coverage, but CBS isn't much better than NBC. I was really upset when they showed very little of the Hewitt-Ferrero quarterfinal last year

Deboogle!.
05-29-2004, 10:12 PM
well NBC's coverage tomorrow is 3 hours promised to be live. There is only one American to show, Davenport, in what will likely be a really goot match against Dementieva, so I don't mind them showing that, but it's unlikely the match will take 3 hours so they'll have to show something else, too.

star
05-29-2004, 10:16 PM
Live or Live on tape. ;)

NBC seems to think those are the same things Hell, NBC even showed the Olympics on tape delay when they were in this country. It's so they can stick as many commercials as possible into their broadcasts.

Tricky_Forehand
05-29-2004, 10:20 PM
Live or Live on tape. ;)


:lol: That's what I was going to say.

Today was supposedly "Live" too and what did I do? Still watched the scoreboard like most everyone else.

YoursTruly
05-29-2004, 10:21 PM
Oh I just didn't watch the NBC coverage today because I knew it was going to suck. :mad: And I'm someone who catches up on updates so I knew the Williams sisters were scheduled today and that NBC ("NOTHING BUT CRAP") was going to show them the whole time. :cuckoo: What a waste of one of the great tennis moments that happens yearly. They always do that. So in conclusion: Sucky network with cheap shows = bad coverage. :nerner:

Deboogle!.
05-29-2004, 10:23 PM
Well according to the article on Tennis Week, from now on everything on NBC is supposed to be live, really live.

But Lindsay's match is on at 11am Paris time and will be well over by 10am Eastern US time, which is what, about when the third/fourth matches will be on?

NEVER MIND, I see that all of the women play tomorrow!!!! so it's Lindsay, Venus, Serena, AND Jennifer ALL playing tomorrow. Sorry guys, looks like it's probably gonna be the Williamses again on NBC tomorrow :o

Santorofan
05-29-2004, 10:24 PM
Even after such shitty Aussie Open coverage several months ago, I'm still stunned that Gugu vs Federer didn't run either on ESBN or NBC today (yes, I know they'll be playing some late night highlights - too little, too late!).

Oddly, sometimes it's tough being a Guga fan in America..often you can't really see him unless he gets in the finals. Crap.

Deboogle!.
05-29-2004, 10:27 PM
:lol: That's what I was going to say.

Today was supposedly "Live" too and what did I do? Still watched the scoreboard like most everyone else.

No it was not. Not according to my TV Guide OR Tennis Week, anyway.

From Tennis Week:
------
NBC Roland Garros Schedule

Saturday, May 29th noon Eastern time Early Rounds
Sunday, May 30th 10 a.m. Eastern time Early Rounds live
Friday, June 4th 10 a.m. Eastern time men's singles semifinals live
Saturday, June 5th 9 a.m. Eastern time women's singles final live
Sunday, June 6th 9 a.m. Eastern time men's singles final live
======
as you can see it does not say live next to Saturday... I said yesterday that today's coverage was all taped. But tomorrow it's supposed to be live.

and from TVGuide.com:
-----
French Open
Early-round play
180 mins.

Early-round play, taped in Paris.
====
And on Sunday's TVGuide listings it does not use the word taped.

On a side note, my local news just talked about Roger/Guga and showed highlights :eek:

YoursTruly
05-29-2004, 10:31 PM
NBC always shows the finals taped as well! Especially the women's final. Sometimes our sports network here (TSN) uses a British network's LIVE coverage for French Open women's final. Like in 1999, I got to watch Steffi defeat Martina live on TV! NBC showed it later in the afternoon. :rolleyes:

Tricky_Forehand
05-29-2004, 10:33 PM
On a side note, my local news just talked about Roger/Guga and showed highlights :eek:

Good to know. That's something at least :)

Deboogle!.
05-29-2004, 10:36 PM
NBC always shows the finals taped as well! Especially the women's final. Sometimes our sports network here (TSN) uses a British network's LIVE coverage for French Open women's final. Like in 1999, I got to watch Steffi defeat Martina live on TV! NBC showed it later in the afternoon. :rolleyes:

Well they're supposed to be both be live this year at 9am eastern, according to what Tennis Week published anyway. That'd make the final be at 3pm Paris time for both, which is realistic. :shrug: guess we'll have to wait and hope that it's actually live :)

jole
05-29-2004, 11:04 PM
Hypothetically, NBC(mainly)/ESPN would show some trashfest of for example Taylor Dent vs. Brian Vahaly over a real legitimate tennis match of someone like David Nalbandian vs. Juan Ignacio Chela.

And don't get me started on how the matches they actually show are taped and chopped into slots to show 50million commercials!

TheGrandstand
05-29-2004, 11:14 PM
I think ESPN's coverage is pretty bad because of the stupid ticker running at the bottom of the screen all the time. And their announcing crew. I don't think ESPN changed to different courts enough during the first and second rounds enough, either.

ktwtennis
05-30-2004, 12:05 AM
Yes, it's bad when they make ESPN look bad...

Socket
05-30-2004, 12:19 AM
The Tennis Channel is the only hope for US tennis fans, and they're having a lot of trouble getting the big cable and satellite companies to carry them. Also, one of the cable companies they have contracts with, RCN, is about to go bankrupt. All we can do is keep on asking our cable and satellite companies to carry the Tennis Channel and hope they don't go under before then.

Tricky_Forehand
05-30-2004, 02:25 AM
I'm definitely trying, Socket. Unfortunately, I live in Comcast country and apparently Comcast (being one of the biggest corporations) is being one of the most resistant to picking up TTC :mad: :mad:

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 02:34 AM
Yea I'm in Comcast country too.

well sadly. I just saw a commercial on NBC for tomorrow's RG coverage and just as I suspected it'll be Venus, Serena, and JCap. Maybe the matches before theirs go reallllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy long so that they have to show someone else live? lol

Sparkz
05-30-2004, 02:48 AM
They should invent a new language entirely composed of expletives for the crime that is Eurosport. They started on Chatrier at the start of the day -Capriati's yawnsome match, fair enough, because at least it segued into Federer v. Kuerten. We in Britain received the whole match, everything was looking good, then it descended into UTTER FUCKING TENNIS FAN HELL. And no, I'm not talking about having to watch successive (pre quarter-final) women's matches.

Superbike racing, then the Giro came next, I was getting fucking pissed and screaming at the TV, although the rational part of me knew that they had to let the bastards out there see their scheduled biking...

Then the coverage overran by forty-five minutes over the precious tennis play. Cue expletives, punches thrown at walls, doors etc. My wits returned, finally, when the tennis returned, but Hewitt v. Verkerk was a real downer in the last two sets. That was ok, because the remainder of the Safin v. Starace was promised us on-screen afterwards. I was sitting on the couch in patient anticipation of it, but when the commercial break was done with...THEY SHOWED HIGHLIGHTS OF THE WILLIAMS SISTERS' MATCHES INSTEAD OF THE PROMISED MOTHERFUCKING LIVE TENNIS! I HAD NEVER SEEN POTITO IN ACTION BEFORE. I WANTED TO SEE POTITO. BUT WHERE WAS POTITO? YOU MOTHERFUCKERS! :mad: :mad:

MAY THE EUROSPORT SCHEDULERS (AND ALL OTHERS RESPONSIBLE) BE CONDEMNED TO 24/7 REPEATS OF THE WILLIAMS SISTERS IN ACTION FOR THE REST OF THEIR MISERABLE FUCKING LIVES! I BANISH THEE TO TENNIS HELL, FUCKERS! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:


baseline smash you are so right about eurosport...they are so unproffesional, they slam on ads during match which is offputting for start and cut out sometimes to show superbikes, yauchting or cycling & shit sports nobody is interested in !!

If I were scottish I would lift my kilt and show my bum to eurosport producers to show them what I think !!!

argiesf
05-30-2004, 03:01 AM
Some of us have been writing to ESPN ...join us!!

Go to http://sports.espn.go.com/sitetools/s/contact/espntv.html

Follow the steps and copy and paste the text bellow. Thanks :wavey:

To whom it may concern,
Will anyone at ESPN please explain to us, your viewers, what
exactly it is that the management at your network has against
showing men's tennis if there are no Americans in the draw? We pay
our hard earned money to subscribe to your channel, and by most
accounts in the tennis chat rooms, your service has been below par
at best. We think you owe your audience an explanation as to why we
can only look forward to a week of American women's tennis leading
up to the finals at Roland Garros; contrary to your assumptions,
there are those of us here in the US that enjoy watching Federer,
Coria, Moya, Safin etc., play the game. You may not recognize the
names, but your audience certainly does and has a right to expect
better coverage of a Grand Slam event than what you have been
providing!

Ballbuster
05-30-2004, 03:11 AM
Some of us have been writing to ESPN ...join us!!

Go to http://sports.espn.go.com/sitetools/s/contact/espntv.html

Follow the steps and copy and paste the text bellow. Thanks :wavey:

To whom it may concern,
Will anyone at ESPN please explain to us, your viewers, what
exactly it is that the management at your network has against
showing men's tennis if there are no Americans in the draw? We pay
our hard earned money to subscribe to your channel, and by most
accounts in the tennis chat rooms, your service has been below par
at best. We think you owe your audience an explanation as to why we
can only look forward to a week of American women's tennis leading
up to the finals at Roland Garros; contrary to your assumptions,
there are those of us here in the US that enjoy watching Federer,
Coria, Moya, Safin etc., play the game. You may not recognize the
names, but your audience certainly does and has a right to expect
better coverage of a Grand Slam event than what you have been
providing!

excellent, argiesf. Are you my long lost twin, cause I was just thinking about something like this a few minutes ago, a mass email that someone else wrote to ESPN trying to get them to end this crappy coverage.

OH :devil: ESPN is showing more of the capriati match in the highlights show.

Tricky_Forehand
05-30-2004, 04:28 AM
Yea I'm in Comcast country too.

well sadly. I just saw a commercial on NBC for tomorrow's RG coverage and just as I suspected it'll be Venus, Serena, and JCap. Maybe the matches before theirs go reallllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy long so that they have to show someone else live? lol

We can only hope :lol:

Gee, we got 20 minutes of the "marquee match of the day". The one small positive? I just wanted to give Guga a HUGE :hug: while watching his interview.

OT...anyone notice the new BNP Paribas commercial with the baby?? LMAO.

Tricky_Forehand
05-30-2004, 04:32 AM
Some of us have been writing to ESPN ...join us!!



Right there with you :yeah:

I've written them so much they probably recognize my email by now :p

tennisvideos
05-30-2004, 04:33 AM
I feel sorry for you guys. We seem to be spoilt here in Australia with our Fox Sports coverage. For example last nite we got Venus v Pierce, then Hewitt v Verkerk, then replays of Kuertan v Federer and Capriati v Bovina. I also got the final 110m of the Safin v Starace match from Eurosport.

So.... if anyone desperately wants to see any of these, or earlier round matches you can always get a DVD or video of them from Sports Resources in England. I help to provide them with some of their matches. Check out their website at:
http://www.users.bigpond.com/tennisvideos1/

(Although the latest French matches aren't all added to the website yet you can still email Karen about them).

Clara Bow
05-30-2004, 08:18 AM
Here is the email that I sent to ESPN. All I can say once again is thank goodness for Tivo. It allows me to go out without having to watch the taped coverage when it airs...and then I can fast forward though all of the One-Sided- Fits- All Williams sisters and Jennifer Crapriati matches (a.k.a. 90% of the coverage)

To whom it may concern,

I have become increasingly frustrated by your network’s coverage of tennis. While I must applaud the network for showing more hours than ever, unfortunately, you all only seem to be interested in showing hours of tennis featuring American players. During the French Open coverage I have noticed this tendency in particular in regards to the men’s game. For example, today (5/29/04) there were several exciting men’s matches, including Kuerten’s defeat of Federer, Hewitt’s tough battle for a win, and Safin’s controversial win over Potito. You only showed around 20 minutes of the Kuerten match and did not show any of the Hewitt, or Safin matches. You did however, show the entire Jennifer Capriati match during the day time segment and showed around 20 minutes of the match again at night. You also had time in your nighttime coverage to show segments of the one-sided Venus and Serena matches that were showed in full on NBC earlier in the day.

This failure to show a greater variety of players is also quite short sighted. How can the public become fans of international players such as Coria, Hewitt, Nalbandian, Kuerten, Henman etc. if they never have a chance to see them play until a semi-final or final? I have heard complaints in the press that ratings for tennis are declining. In large part that is because the public is not really given the opportunity to see the matches of and therefore become familiar with the players that are out there. Exposure to players leads to interest, which would in turn lead to higher ratings.

Tennis is an international sport with many interesting and intriguing players from around the globe. Unfortunately, your network fails to realize this and seems to think that the only players that have any merit are those that are from the United States. As a tennis fan, this saddens me. In our increasingly global society, I think that the American public is capable of appreciating players who are from other countries. I wish that you would give these deserving players the attention they deserve and allow the US viewing audience to get the opportunity to appreciate the many wonderful players that are out there.

Thank you,
Elisabeth Erreca

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 02:02 PM
I sent an email to ESPN after the first couple days of coverage.

oh Katherine, I love that commercial with the baby, it's adorable!!

And yes, Guga's interview was a big mix of honest/vulnerable/inspiring/really sad...

SaFed2005
05-30-2004, 02:24 PM
Why? Why? Why?

I couldn't beleive they showed such crappy matches... Especially the one with Serena... That must've been the most pathetic match I've ever watched on TV (what can i say I had nothing else to do)... I would rather stare at the scoreboard than watch such pathetic match...

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 03:07 PM
well so much for NBC's promise of live coverage.... they're gonna show Lindsay get spanked.

Billabong
05-30-2004, 03:08 PM
NOOOOOOOOO not this terrible match :bigcry:! and then they'll show Venus, so there goes our coverage today :eek:!

Ballbuster
05-30-2004, 03:09 PM
damn, bunk u beat me by like two minutes
I was gonna say that NBC was going to be Live on Tape today

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 03:10 PM
Well I see that there is no live match to really show.... they're waiting for serena's match but the question is will they cut off Lindsay to show Serena live? I'd rather see Serena LIVE than something else taped I Guess. Or they could show Llodra and Henman locked in a 5th set but noooooooooooo, so much for live.

edit: Serena's match has started and they're staying with Lindsay taped. Oh well so much for NBC's promised live coverage.

Lee
05-30-2004, 03:45 PM
ESPN crappy coverage has been discussed many many times not only on this messageboard but also internet sports media like tennisweek and SI. ESPN responses are the same, they don't care about tennis fans, they only care about showing ONLY Americans to keep the rating. This is extremely short-sighted but unless all those decision makers in ESPN are fired, there won't be any changes.

Even with TTC, slams coverage will still be crap. But I agree at least, there's excellent coverage of smaller tournament.

May be switching to VOOM is the answer to all those cable networds refusing to carry TTC. I understand that VOOM may be more expensive from the basic cable one has to pay but I also believe that, even the cable company (mine is Cox) carries TTC, you won't be able to get TTC unless you have digital cable which sums up to more or less the same as VOOM.

Shy
05-30-2004, 03:52 PM
You know they could at least show the Guga and Federer match.It shows a lack of respect for various reasons since they are the former no 1 and the current one, and they are slams champions.

Tricky_Forehand
05-30-2004, 03:53 PM
I've looked into getting VOOM but my landlord is such a bitch I doubt she would give me permission for the hook up. VOOM for me (the package I want) would actually be cheaper than what I'm paying for digital cable.

Lee
05-30-2004, 03:55 PM
I've looked into getting VOOM but my landlord is such a bitch I doubt she would give me permission for the hook up. VOOM for me (the package I want) would actually be cheaper than what I'm paying for digital cable.

You should give it a try. Or bribe your landlord with the price difference between VOOM and cable. ;)

Ace Tracker
05-30-2004, 04:43 PM
what a boring fest, I just turned off the TV and am getting ready to go to the beach seen that women's tennis is all they will show... with such dashing displays of poor skills and lack of suspense, no wonder the WTA is on its way to oblivion with true tennis fans everywhere but in the WTA+World..

tangerine_dream
05-30-2004, 05:20 PM
NBC/ESPN is merely giving American audiences what they want: the Williams sisters. They bring in the ratings. :rolleyes:

But what Eurosport's excuse for their lousy programming? I'm surprised they wouldn't show the Safin match. :scratch:

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 05:31 PM
actually ESPN's got JCap live right now...I'm shocked that they're allowed to show coverage at the same time as NBC :eek:

jole
05-30-2004, 05:56 PM
Venus' match just ended on NBC!!!

Lets see if NBC/ESPN goes into unchartered territory of pleasing some tennis fans and showing this Moya/Robredo match going on right now.

liS@
05-30-2004, 06:11 PM
Glad to see many people are feeling the same. Here we are, memorial weekend, whilst ESPN slowly kills us all w/ continous coverage of the WTA. *dies*

It's a torture to have to watch the Williamses play two days in a row... (You know what would help the ratings? Show us Safin taking off his pants!!! :devil: )

Are the 2nd Monday's always an "all-men-affair"?? We might be saved after all. Unless they decide to show a Davenport rerun tomorrow...

Yes, and keep those letter coming!!

Oh and Time Warner Cable offers the Tennis Channel on their Sports Tier package.

And don't you know? ESPN must show all the ass-whoopings first, and as Moya and Robredo are on serve, it would be unheard of to show such a close match. (Gah, I hate how the commentators are all "good match-up b/w Moya and Robredo", or "mouth-watering clash b/t Federer and Guga" :rolleyes: Well, keep your mouth shut if you're not gonna show it, rather than rub it in!!! :mad: )

Thankfully, Capriati is almost done w/ her ass-whooping. Moya here we come!!!!

liS@
05-30-2004, 06:19 PM
OMG 7-7 in the tie-break but let's talk about Serena's fashion faux-pas.

Oh thank you, no more Serena coverage, it's Sharapova instead.

What's ESPN's incentive for showing her? She's not American...hmm, I wonder... :rolleyes:

Guille's Girl
05-30-2004, 06:53 PM
Well Sharapove just went off. An hour of broadcast left on ESPN2. Lets see what they do with it :rolleyes:

Tricky_Forehand
05-30-2004, 07:39 PM
actually ESPN's got JCap live right now...I'm shocked that they're allowed to show coverage at the same time as NBC :eek:

They're rival networks so no permission was needed. If it was CBS/USA Network (Viacom) or ESPN/ABC (Disney) it would be different.

Clara Bow
05-30-2004, 07:41 PM
A couple of days ago I saw a link where you could send a question to Mary Carrillo and some of the other announcers for either ESPN or NBC. I can't find it now and I was wondering if anyone else was familiar with it. I would like to send the announcers a question as to why they are refusing to show men's coverage as well.

gillian
05-30-2004, 07:45 PM
I HATE ESPN. Why were they showing the rerun of Serena's match when Moya & Robredo were playing. These shortsighted SOBs suck a$$!

buddyholly
05-30-2004, 07:54 PM
When will you people realize that ESPN is a company that exists to make a profit? It is not a charity organization. There are no American men left in the draw and American TV viewers want to see American players, men or women.
ESPN Latin America shows almost nothing but Latin players and since these are nearly all men, its coverage shows almost nothing but men. ESPN is providing a service geared to its South American viewers and doing it pretty well.
People who say they hate ESPN because it does not show what they want are too stupid to realize that they are just one person and ESPN is catering to an audience of millions.

RogiFan88
05-30-2004, 08:04 PM
...millions of dorks...

jtipson
05-30-2004, 08:07 PM
What bugs me is, how they know that Americans want to see American players, when they never give them a real chance to see anyone else?

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 08:09 PM
unfortunately, I think buddyholly is right.

They said they're showing Moya/Robredo highlights tonight.

And Katherine, just because NBC and ESPN are not owned by the same parent company doesn't mean they're not coordinated for these broadcasts. They're sharing commentators and whatnot so they've gotta be, really, and it's common for such situations to be connected by a deal worked out before the tournament. That's why it was surprising to see them overlap with coverage slots.

TheGrandstand
05-30-2004, 08:17 PM
ESPN only cares out two American men tennis players, Andy Roddick and Andre Agassi. Vince Spadea had two pretty good matches (the straight set loss was filled with controversy) yet they only showed a second of that. Really disappointing that their coverage consisted of WTA/Agassi-Roddick.

Deboogle!.
05-30-2004, 08:26 PM
as buddyholly said, they show what gives them ratings. If you were an exec and saw that more people watch when they show Agassi/Roddick/Williams/Capriati/Davenport, what would you do? We've had this conversation a million times here and it's always pointless because it's circular: Is ESPN simply responding to demand and doing what any intelligently-run corporation would do, or are they a part of the problem? I don't really see any way to tell. But people love to put ALL the blame on ESPN where I think at least a *part* of it has to do with what the viewers seem to want.

Compared to their AO coverage, ESPN's RG coverage is HUGELY better. It started out badly, but since then it's been mostly live, they've done a lot of cutting back and forth and showing nice highlights from a lot of other matches and stuff. At least it's a step in the right direction, gotta start somewhere. It's never gonna be perfect, as we can see from the complaints about Eurosport and coverage in other places too. All we can hope is that they continue improving.

buddyholly
05-30-2004, 08:39 PM
I would have liked to have seen the other matches too. ESPN Latinoamerica showed Chela-Mutis, logical for them.
But I do understand that they can not exist without ratings. And I am grateful for what they give me. The horrible alternative is NBC. Their Olympics programs are the absolute worst. They have to cater for a female audience during the day and they have to pre-tape lots of human interest stories on various athletes and their heroic lives etc. They almost forget to show the events.

TheGrandstand
05-30-2004, 08:42 PM
Fact of the matter is that USA's handling of the US Open is by far the best. Whenever a match on Louis Armstrong or The Grandstand (haha) is nearing an end (or even a set) they will cut you out there to get a glimpse. That's all I'm asking for occasionally from ESPN at Wimbledon and the rest of the French (while matches are going on elsewhere). They haven't given me that yet.

jole
05-30-2004, 11:27 PM
Rating will take care of themselves if they show fine tennis matches, regardless of nationalities.

Ballbuster
05-30-2004, 11:40 PM
Question to Americans: Do you know anyone who watches tennis only if its Agassi or Williams? The only people who watch tennis that I know of want to see great tennis, that means mens tennis with no Americans, or like an All Belgian women's match.

Maybe ESPN should show good foreign men playing and see if their is a big difference in ratings from a spanking Williams Bore.

Also, about women's tennis: Davenport and Capriati are not big superstars like the Williams so I don't think their matches get good ratings either

nonick
05-31-2004, 12:34 AM
Could NBC's coverage suck any more ass?

Yes!!

but today..espn was showing sharapova taped hwen moya was playing live.. sharapova isnt even american..where is that bloody logic...
????

Tricky_Forehand
05-31-2004, 04:20 AM
What bugs me is, how they know that Americans want to see American players, when they never give them a real chance to see anyone else?

That's my point.

Tricky_Forehand
05-31-2004, 04:32 AM
unfortunately, I think buddyholly is right.

They said they're showing Moya/Robredo highlights tonight.

And Katherine, just because NBC and ESPN are not owned by the same parent company doesn't mean they're not coordinated for these broadcasts. They're sharing commentators and whatnot so they've gotta be, really, and it's common for such situations to be connected by a deal worked out before the tournament. That's why it was surprising to see them overlap with coverage slots.

I'll believe it about the highlights when I see them and I don't mean highlights by five minutes worth :rolleyes:

Actually, it was documented in a Tennis article I read that NBC & ESPN were reluctant to work together. Hence, giving away results that the other network was given to broadcast. Just like TTC doesn't have a good relationship with ESPN because they bought the rights for a good portion of the Master Series.

They overlapped their coverage last year too so I'm not surprised. I found it funny that ESPN was supposed to be the taped one today but they were live for half of it :)

And going by buddyholly's comment. Just because that's the way it is now does that mean that we should just sit back and be satisfied with it because that's the way it is? Sorry, I'm not the kind of person to just roll with it if I'm feeling screwed. If that makes me one of the "stupid people" then so be it. There's a balance that USA network has and that ESPN had many years ago and they can find again. ESPN hasn't always been this way but I can't seem to convince people of that.

I know I'm not nuts. ESPN used to show doubles when they had time and players from all countries. That's how I found some of my favorite players in the 90s.

Anyway, just a "stupid person's" opinion, I guess. Even if ESPN won't listen to the Tennis fan for now at least we're willing to put our voice out there and though ESPN might not listen they do hear us because the head of programming has had to answer questions regarding comments about lack of coverage that makes sense.

Billabong
05-31-2004, 12:41 PM
OMG Safin-Nalbandian are playing right now, and ESPN show Venus' match of yesterday :tape: :eek:!!!! This is TERRIBLEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Deboogle!.
05-31-2004, 12:44 PM
omg Billabong I KNOW!!!! I'm leaving to get on a plane in an hour and I really wanted to see some of this match, I can't believe it! They say they're going live to it as soon as they're done with Venus's match but OMG we saw it taped enough yesteerday!!!!

Catsou
05-31-2004, 12:48 PM
What the heck are they waiting for :mad:

We don't want to see Venus won again :rolleyes:

Chloe le Bopper
05-31-2004, 12:49 PM
Rubbish. I could have stayed in bed another hour.

naiwen
05-31-2004, 01:05 PM
As a subscriber, I just emailed them about my complaints.

Deboogle!.
05-31-2004, 01:11 PM
well finally we have it live...

tennisace
05-31-2004, 02:00 PM
They'll be re-showing Serena and JCap this afternoon. URGHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate ESPN.

Billabong
05-31-2004, 02:03 PM
DAMN it, I was sure they would show Guga's match :mad:! I'm terribly disappointed with ESPN and NBC, I saw 2 GAMES of Guga in the whole tournament!!!

Leo
05-31-2004, 04:27 PM
When does NBC's coverage come on?

Ballbuster
05-31-2004, 04:27 PM
Leo it doesn't

Leo
05-31-2004, 04:30 PM
Leo it doesn't

But people said NBC was gonna show Nalbandian/Safin on tape delay? :confused:

What a shame! This was going to be my favorite day of coverage with four great clay court battles, but instead they only show a few games and opt for a fucking "reprise" of Capriati and Serena from fucking yestgerday. What the fuck? They better not screw this up in two days when Nalbandian/Guga and Hewitt/Gaudio are the only matches to show. :fiery:

Leo
05-31-2004, 04:32 PM
"Opt" doesn't look like a word at all when written out... sorry, just realized that and felt like sharing that with you all.

RogiFan88
05-31-2004, 05:03 PM
I guess they think we can't get enough of the Serena sisters... and what about Tue?? Will we even get a look in on the Men's QF?? esp when it starts raining? if it does, they'll just repeat one of the Serena sisters' many exciting matches for our viewing pleasure...

Leo
05-31-2004, 05:18 PM
I guess they think we can't get enough of the Serena sisters... and what about Tue?? Will we even get a look in on the Men's QF?? esp when it starts raining? if it does, they'll just repeat one of the Serena sisters' many exciting matches for our viewing pleasure...

Serena vs. Kirilenko for the 124th time of the week :rolleyes:

TennisLurker
05-31-2004, 05:25 PM
I dont like women tennis much, but, if for example espn latin america tomorrow shows suarez sharapova instead of capriati williams, I will be very angry.

I think our coverage is quite good BTW.

Clara Bow
05-31-2004, 05:49 PM
Serena vs. Kirilenko for the 124th time of the week
__________________

No kidding- why not show some of Henman's great victory yesterday. Morons, just morons!

lalaland
05-31-2004, 06:32 PM
Memorial Day.
Men's single played: 4
Men's single shown: 1
Women's single played: 0
Women's single shown: 3 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Why ESPN think any fans would want to watch a replay of yesterday's match just bets me. Casual fans won't bother to crawl out of bed early to watch tennis, fans get up early on a holiday to watch tennis would be diehard enough to have seen that Venus match already. So what's the logic, ESPN?

BaselineSmash
05-31-2004, 06:51 PM
Memorial Day.
Men's single played: 4
Men's single shown: 1
Women's single played: 0
Women's single shown: 3 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


That makes me feel slightly ill, and it doesn't even affect me here in the UK.

shaoyu
05-31-2004, 07:02 PM
Memorial Day.
Men's single played: 4
Men's single shown: 1
Women's single played: 0
Women's single shown: 3 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Why ESPN think any fans would want to watch a replay of yesterday's match just bets me. Casual fans won't bother to crawl out of bed early to watch tennis, fans get up early on a holiday to watch tennis would be diehard enough to have seen that Venus match already. So what's the logic, ESPN?

Didn't you see the flag bar saying 'remember our troops'? Those must include the Williamses and Capriati Troops. ;)

Lee
05-31-2004, 07:32 PM
And no men's match tomorrow either ;)

tennisace
05-31-2004, 08:17 PM
I hope no one is holding their breath for that. It'll be The Sisters and then "don't call me Ahna" Sharapova, followed by a repeat of DICK'S win over Todd and then another update from Brad on his grass court preparation. But I'm sure somewhere in there they'll find the time to show Carlos' match point.

Bahrami's Moustache
05-31-2004, 08:35 PM
Have to agree with the anti-Eurosport comments. However, there has been worse over here in the UK.
Was out for the middle Sunday, so taped the BBC coverage of Henman v Llodra. They started it in the first set tie-break, which was delayed, then they started the live feed midway through the first game of the second set.
Everything was fine until the start of the fifth set, when they interrupted coverage for GOLF UPDATES. Just got back in time to for Henman to convert his break points. The golf continued to interrupt throughout the rest of the set. DISGRACEFUL

naiwen
06-01-2004, 03:40 AM
Oh no! I wanna see Coria vs Moya!!!
I hate ESPN... :(

Action Jackson
06-01-2004, 03:53 AM
To everyone who has to suffer through these actions, I feel incredibly sorry for all these fans, even the ones that I have pissed off om MTF. These networks are treating tennis fans like cattle and by showing Williams sisters and Capriati matches, they will say they are showing fans tennis, at the disrepect of the players and worse fans in the USA.

Bee
06-01-2004, 04:13 AM
Oh dear ... you guys should live in Australia - this year we have NO (yes, NADA) live free-to-air TV coverage of the French Open AT ALL!!!!
This is the first year this has happened, to my knowledge. It's a Grand Slam, for God's sake!! All we get is some 'highlights' show (British commentary) for half an hour from 6:00 - 6:30 in the morning, repeated at 6:00 - 6:30 in the evening. So that's only 15 mins. of men's tennis, dehhrrrr ... [oh, and yesterday there was NOTHING (NADA!) of the Moya/Robredo match, just the result printed at the end - supposedly 'just finished', so unable for editing I suppose...]
So I am seriously cranky, grrr ... and as Carlos Moya is my fav. player, I have only seen about 50sec. glimpses of him in his 'mellow yellow' shirt. And in any other TV station's sports news report, it only shows footage of Lleyton Hewitt!!

So tonight I have asked/begged a friend to let me 'sleep over' to watch the Moya/Coria match on their Austar/Foxtel (which seriously should be the grand final match!), because it seems you have to have Pay TV to see tennis here, unless it's in Australia, or when Australians play at Wimbledon & US Open. Heaven forbid if they don't show THOSE Grand Slams on free-to-air TV this year as well!

P.S. It would be funny if Hewitt gets to the final & nobody here can see it !!

nando
06-01-2004, 07:58 AM
channel bloody seven sucks! They were the ones who showed the tennis last year!

tennisvideos
06-01-2004, 09:50 AM
Oh dear ... you guys should live in Australia - this year we have NO (yes, NADA) live free-to-air TV coverage of the French Open AT ALL!!!!

P.S. It would be funny if Hewitt gets to the final & nobody here can see it !!

Well, you just have to shell out a few dollars a month for Foxtel and then you will get one of the best channels for mens tennis coverage in in the world (except maybe for the Tennis Channel in USA of course). Almost 24 hours of the Slams (including highlights) most days, and then the same again for the Tennis Masters Series, and some other tournaments throughout the year.

It's a shame they don't focus more on the womens, but if your prepared to spend some more money you can get Eurosport here also.

For example, right now I am getting the Serena v Jennifer QF live and in the other room we are getting the Sharapova v Suarez QF live. So you can get some of the best tennis coverage in the world right here in Australia, but you have to be prepared to pay for it. :)

naiwen
06-01-2004, 02:30 PM
Serena lost before Venus's match, but it seems ESPN commentators pretend Serena and Jeniffer are gonna play this afternoon 3pm ET.

jtipson
06-01-2004, 02:42 PM
That's just so funny - how can they pretend that they're playing at 9pm Paris time?
It would be getting dark.

Experimentee
06-01-2004, 02:47 PM
I'm so pissed off about no free to air coverage this year :fiery:
I thikn we will get the semis onward though, thats what they had a couple of years ago.
I would love to be able to see ANY match, even the ones you guys are complaining about!
Here they show all Grand Slams, but apparently the French Open isnt important enough as its clay :rolleyes:
I refuse to pay for soemthing I used to get for free, especially since I dont really watch much tv apart from tennis, so no use paying every month for only a few weeks of tennis a year.

Experimentee
06-01-2004, 02:53 PM
Memorial Day.
Men's single played: 4
Men's single shown: 1
Women's single played: 0
Women's single shown: 3 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Why ESPN think any fans would want to watch a replay of yesterday's match just bets me. Casual fans won't bother to crawl out of bed early to watch tennis, fans get up early on a holiday to watch tennis would be diehard enough to have seen that Venus match already. So what's the logic, ESPN?

In Australia it would be the opposite, we'd get almost all men's matches and no women's matches! Except sometimes they might show one set of a top player thrashing a low ranked player (instead of a close match), then go back to mens tennis.

Billabong
06-01-2004, 02:55 PM
we're missing all the Moya-Coria match :sad:!!!

tennisvideos
06-01-2004, 03:24 PM
I'm so pissed off about no free to air coverage this year :fiery:
I refuse to pay for soemthing I used to get for free, especially since I dont really watch much tv apart from tennis, so no use paying every month for only a few weeks of tennis a year.

Dear Experimentee. I am not sure you are fully aware of what you are missing out on - it's not just a few weeks of tennis a year. Take a look at some of the tennis that Fox Sports Australia covers:

* Complete French Open coverage including 24 hours a day most of the time (replays included)

* Second channel coverage of Wimbledon fortnight (different live matches to Channel 9 PLUS full replays of most of day's play - 24 hours a day)

* Second channel coverage of Aussie Open (from 2005 onwards - Vodafone Arena and Night matches from Vodafone - different coverage to Channel 7)

* Second channel coverage of US Open (live night matches and replays - often showing different matches to our Channel 9 coverage)

* The 10 Masters tournaments - often about 18 hours coverage a day (about 9 hours live each day)

* Additional Tournaments eg. Semis and Finals of selected mens and womens tournaments.

Plus hardly any commercial breaks compared to poxy dated FTA.

Go FOXTEL !!!!! I love it.

naiwen
06-01-2004, 05:09 PM
Oh my, ESPN is showing Venus again.

Do they know Monte Carlo champion and Rome champion are playing now?
Do they know who is the favorite on clay currently?

Billabong
06-01-2004, 05:12 PM
This is terrible, because they showed it 2 hours ago :eek:!!!!!! It's going worse and worse!!!!!!!!

SanTaureau Fan
06-01-2004, 05:17 PM
We just saw that match and they are showing it again...

I would still be mad even if we wouldn't have seen it before... But now this is just ridiculous... They're reaching a new low (I never thought it would be possible).

Lee
06-01-2004, 05:35 PM
ESPN finally back to LIVE match between Moya and Coria.

Clara Bow
06-01-2004, 06:42 PM
Now they are back to the Venus match instead of showing the LIVE conclusion of the Henman match. Henman- who is great story at RG. Sorry to keep beating on a horse that is so dead that it was put six feet under long ago- but this is so ridiculous and stupid....I can't even fathom what is going on in their heads.

vene
06-01-2004, 07:11 PM
I wish TTC could pick up the matches they don't show. I have written off the FO as a lost cause- why bother to turn the TV to ESPN? Besides I don't want to help their ratings. If they are so confident that the American only decision is a good one, why don't they dump the other matches to TTC? Then we can compare ratings! What are they afraid of? I wonder what will happen if there all Americans go out of a Slam- what will we see then-replays of Pete Sampras?

vene
06-01-2004, 07:17 PM
Chance to bitch to ESPN:They are hving a chat with Pam Shriver today
They will probably ignore most of our comments, but if we all post, a few might get through. The chat begins soon, 12 pacific, 3 eastern

http://*****.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=5366

naiwen
06-02-2004, 12:14 PM
Not again.
It's Capriati and Serena now....

Bee
06-03-2004, 08:40 AM
Hey, experimetee, I don't like to pay for something that should be free either ... Pay TV is almost $50 a month; I'd rather put that $600 towards my trip to the Aussie Open 'live' each year ... sorry, tennisvideos, but some of us can't afford Pay TV - are you employed by Foxtel by their marketing department? :)
Experimentee, Channel 7 probably didn't 'bid' for the French Open 'cause they need the money to cover the Olympics this year. And forget about any semis or finals coverage dream ... Lleyton is out!
[btw, I have the Moya/Coria match on tape, from my friend's place ... but after the rain delay at 3-1 in 1st set (8 games missing), Foxtel only continued play at beginning of 2nd set. Had to wait through the women AND a replay of Hewitt/Malisse match during rain delay before pressing "record"! (and losing sleep!) ]

Despite Carlos 'choking' or whatever you like to call it (he served for both those first 2 sets), his low 1st service percentage, going for too much & missing the lines, etc., the standard of play was high. And I think it was a better match than the Hewitt/Gaudio Q-F ... I've only got those few mins. of the ABC 'highlights' to compare it to (as I don't have Foxtel!), but at least Carlos was on court for longer. When Coria is "on", what can you do? He is quite a little master of clay - good to watch.
I think Coria will go through and win the tournament now. Wonder if my friend will tape the final on Foxtel for me??? :)

Chloe le Bopper
06-03-2004, 08:55 AM
I'm convinced that the yare conspiring to kill tennis in the US altogether. There is just no other reason to fuck your weekend ratings like this, and that is what they have done. If this does not end up the lowest rated mens final ever shown in the US, I will be greatly surprised. Chris Fuckler doesn't help by saying that "you likely' dont know who he is" about Gaudio. Yes, Chris, the average viewer likely didn't know him from their elbow before his match against Hewitt. Have you ever taken the time to wonder WHY that is?

Chloe le Bopper
06-03-2004, 08:56 AM
And you know, at first I was annoyed that Canada wouldn't let ESPN in here, but in hindsight I am greatly appreciative that we don't directly support that network by offering it on cable.

Action Jackson
06-03-2004, 09:01 AM
And you know, at first I was annoyed that Canada wouldn't let ESPN in here, but in hindsight I am greatly appreciative that we don't directly support that network by offering it on cable.

Well said Becca.

tennisvideos
06-03-2004, 01:54 PM
Hey, experimetee, I don't like to pay for something that should be free either ... Pay TV is almost $50 a month; I'd rather put that $600 towards my trip to the Aussie Open 'live' each year ... sorry, tennisvideos, but some of us can't afford Pay TV - are you employed by Foxtel by their marketing department? :)


LOL - No I don't have any connection to Foxtel but I have been a subscriber since the first day it was available in my area and I love it. Also subscribe to Eurosport just to make sure I get good mens and womens tennins coverage.

I like to spend a few days at the Aussie Open as well, but only a few days coz I actually prefer to watch it at home (laying on the coach and do other things as well). :)

Experimentee
06-03-2004, 02:24 PM
Dear Experimentee. I am not sure you are fully aware of what you are missing out on - it's not just a few weeks of tennis a year. Take a look at some of the tennis that Fox Sports Australia covers:

* Complete French Open coverage including 24 hours a day most of the time (replays included)

* Second channel coverage of Wimbledon fortnight (different live matches to Channel 9 PLUS full replays of most of day's play - 24 hours a day)

* Second channel coverage of Aussie Open (from 2005 onwards - Vodafone Arena and Night matches from Vodafone - different coverage to Channel 7)

* Second channel coverage of US Open (live night matches and replays - often showing different matches to our Channel 9 coverage)

* The 10 Masters tournaments - often about 18 hours coverage a day (about 9 hours live each day)

* Additional Tournaments eg. Semis and Finals of selected mens and womens tournaments.

Plus hardly any commercial breaks compared to poxy dated FTA.

Go FOXTEL !!!!! I love it.

How much is all this? :eek:

Like Bee said, I probably couldnt afford it anyway. My parents would not be willing to pay because I'd sit in front of the tv all day instead of studying :lol:

Experimentee
06-03-2004, 02:32 PM
Hey, experimetee, I don't like to pay for something that should be free either ... Pay TV is almost $50 a month; I'd rather put that $600 towards my trip to the Aussie Open 'live' each year ... sorry, tennisvideos, but some of us can't afford Pay TV - are you employed by Foxtel by their marketing department? :)
Experimentee, Channel 7 probably didn't 'bid' for the French Open 'cause they need the money to cover the Olympics this year. And forget about any semis or finals coverage dream ... Lleyton is out!
[btw, I have the Moya/Coria match on tape, from my friend's place ... but after the rain delay at 3-1 in 1st set (8 games missing), Foxtel only continued play at beginning of 2nd set. Had to wait through the women AND a replay of Hewitt/Malisse match during rain delay before pressing "record"! (and losing sleep!) ]

Despite Carlos 'choking' or whatever you like to call it (he served for both those first 2 sets), his low 1st service percentage, going for too much & missing the lines, etc., the standard of play was high. And I think it was a better match than the Hewitt/Gaudio Q-F ... I've only got those few mins. of the ABC 'highlights' to compare it to (as I don't have Foxtel!), but at least Carlos was on court for longer. When Coria is "on", what can you do? He is quite a little master of clay - good to watch.
I think Coria will go through and win the tournament now. Wonder if my friend will tape the final on Foxtel for me??? :)

You are right, I am so pissed off that they arent showing at least the semis or the final! This is a Grand Slam, they should treat it with more respect than that :fiery:
I guess its good if the Olympics was the reason for not bidding for it, at least that means it'll be back next year.
I put my money towards going to the Aussie Open every year too, but I'd like to see other tournaments as well. I remember when we even used to get the SF and F of TMS tournaments free on the ABC! Now its all about making us pay more.
I'm getting someone who has Foxtel to tape the Gaudio-Nalbandian match, as well as the final for me too. That should be good.

Billabong
06-03-2004, 03:28 PM
I'm happily surprised they show the men's doubles semifinal! This the best matchup you can get I think (Bryans/Llodra-Santoro):)!

jtipson
06-03-2004, 03:39 PM
Hmmm. If it hadn't been the Bryans, bet you wouldn't have seen it.
They have to show something now all the Americans are out of the singles ;)

tangerine_dream
06-03-2004, 04:08 PM
There's nothing wrong with finally showing the No 1 doubles team in the world. :)

Tricky_Forehand
06-03-2004, 04:27 PM
I'm glad that they're finally showing doubles. I just wish it was two teams that I liked. Nothing really against Michael & Fabrice but I'm just not crazy about the twins style at all :rolleyes: .

We'll have plenty to complain about tomorrow because it looks like we'll only see one men's SF and it will be Guille vs. Tim. Gosh forbid, if they showed a match where David was considered the favorite and not the underdog :rolleyes: . ESPN couldn't make it more clear how they feel about him.

Shy
06-03-2004, 04:30 PM
What had David done to ESPN and their commentators to receive so much hate at him.
Notice:A lots of them always pick David to lose even in a match where he is the favorite.
Are they goung to show the ladies final or another rerun of the Serena/Capriati match?:scratch:

Billabong
06-03-2004, 06:00 PM
What had David done to ESPN and their commentators to receive so much hate from him.
Notice:A lots of them always pick David to lose even in a match where he is the favorite.
Are they goung to show the ladies final or another rerun of the Serena/Capriati match?:scratch:

They can show Serena-Kirilenko, I think we haven't seen it enough :lol:!

jmp
06-03-2004, 06:31 PM
We should get both semis tomorrow. NBC is supposed to show David vs. Gaston "live" at 10AM EST.

As for why ESPN may not like David...I can think of three specific reasons. But, in general, I will write that a) He doesn't speak English. So, the men can't interview him. But, Mary Jo can handle it. She did a great job in another recent tournament. and b) David doesn't like the way he's treated in the U.S. and he says that pretty clearly in English and Spanish. I think he has a legitimate point. But, I think the best way to MAKE them respect him is to continue winning. I don't think ESPN will ever like him and I don't think it matters if they do. If you listened to Mary and Cliff talking during the Lleyton/Gaston match, you can get some idea about how long Cliff can hold a grudge re the interview incident.

Clara Bow
06-03-2004, 07:51 PM
As for why ESPN may not like David...I can think of three specific reasons. But, in general, I will write that a) He doesn't speak English. So, the men can't interview him. But, Mary Jo can handle it. She did a great job in another recent tournament. and b)

But he can speak English and has gotten progressively better (and his English portions of press interviews have gotten longer.)

Just a question, who has been the last bli-lingual US men's tennis player? Was it Courier (who could speak French)?

sigmagirl91
06-03-2004, 07:56 PM
We should get both semis tomorrow. NBC is supposed to show David vs. Gaston "live" at 10AM EST.

As for why ESPN may not like David...I can think of three specific reasons. But, in general, I will write that a) He doesn't speak English. So, the men can't interview him. But, Mary Jo can handle it. She did a great job in another recent tournament. and b) David doesn't like the way he's treated in the U.S. and he says that pretty clearly in English and Spanish. I think he has a legitimate point. But, I think the best way to MAKE them respect him is to continue winning. I don't think ESPN will ever like him and I don't think it matters if they do. If you listened to Mary and Cliff talking during the Lleyton/Gaston match, you can get some idea about how long Cliff can hold a grudge re the interview incident.

Well, David DOES speak English. Cliffy and Pat are too damn ignorant to take the time to find that out... :mad:

heya
06-03-2004, 11:14 PM
These ignorant commentators were all shocked to see Kuerten, Gaudio and Nalbandian in the quarterfinals.
They claimed that Nalbandian and Gaudio weren't as interesting as Kuerten and Coria.
PMc, Carillo, Enberg, Drysdale & Mal Washington hoped so much for Federer to beat everyone, including Coria. :rolleyes:

*shudders Who are Myskina and Dementieva?! Oh dear!
PMc, Carillo, Drysdale, Fernandez & Enberg are crushed. Now, they can't say for the zillionth time that Williams sistas & Capriati are the most fantastic girls alive.
Carillo was incensed that she couldn't gossip about anyone's injury!
Players had to sign injury disclosure forms after they played their RG matches.

tennisace
06-04-2004, 12:01 AM
[QUOTE=jmp]We should get both semis tomorrow. NBC is supposed to show David vs. Gaston "live" at 10AM EST.

Gaston and Bandy are first up 1pm Paris time (7am est) - that'll be shown, taped -delayed , on Espn at 1pm est. NBC will have Willy & Timmay at 10am est and I'm sure they're hoping the first match will be finished and they can use tape delay so they can pad the match with extra commercials - and my favorite ;) - commercials after even games. And if it goes really long they can always "jump ahead" leaving out an entire set.

sigmagirl91
06-04-2004, 12:14 AM
These ignorant commentators were all shocked to see Kuerten, Gaudio and Nalbandian in the quarterfinals.
They claimed that Nalbandian and Gaudio weren't as interesting as Kuerten and Coria.
PMc, Carillo, Enberg, Drysdale & Mal Washington hoped so much for Federer to beat everyone, including Coria. :rolleyes:

*shudders Who are Myskina and Dementieva?! Oh dear!
PMc, Carillo, Drysdale, Fernandez & Enberg are crushed. Now, they can't say for the zillionth time that Williams sistas & Capriati are the most fantastic girls alive.
Carillo was incensed that she couldn't gossip about anyone's injury!
Players had to sign injury disclosure forms after they played their RG matches.

Yes, they were hoping "god" could come through. Too bad "god" lost....