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Top 5 this year by surface

stebs
09-25-2007, 09:41 AM
I am going to do this simply by points gained for HC, grass and clay so any problems you have remember this is not my opinion. This is what happened. Also, this is just the top 5 rearranged for each surface rather than the best 5 players on the surface.

HARDCOURTS

Federer - 646
Djokovic - 513
Roddick - 355
Nadal - 281
Davydenko - 281

CLAYCOURTS

Nadal - 580
Federer - 325
Djokovic - 198
Davydenko - 174
Roddick - 24

GRASSCOURTS

Federer - 200
Nadal - 151
Roddick - 95
Djokovic - 94
Davydenko - 34

Hope that's a little bit interesting. I will add indoors at the end of the year and possible when I have more time I will make it the year end top 10 as well.

Puschkin
09-25-2007, 09:55 AM
For grass: Should not Davydenko be replaced by the forth Wimbledon semifinalist? ;)

Horatio Caine
09-25-2007, 09:57 AM
Why not do it so that each player has an average number of points per match? It would be more accurate that way. Otherwise, you're just rewarding those that play a lot of tournaments and happen to have a few good results to boot.

So, for example, you'd be producing an average figure for Federer based on 7 matches - i.e. 28.6 pts per match.

natasha_nana
09-25-2007, 10:00 AM
For grass: Should not Davydenko be replaced by the forth Wimbledon semifinalist? ;)

No...seeing as he's only talking about the ATP top 5 ranked players and their performance on the different surfaces!

Anyway, thanks Stebs.
This is interesting...though not hugely surprising I guess.

wonder what the general list would be for each surface...if we were considering all players and not just the ATP top 5. That would be even more interesting.

Jaap
09-25-2007, 10:01 AM
GRASSCOURTS

Davydenko - 34


:spit:

Action Jackson
09-25-2007, 10:02 AM
Why not do it so that each player has an average number of points per match? It would be more accurate that way. Otherwise, you're just rewarding those that play a lot of tournaments and happen to have a few good results to boot.

So, for example, you'd be producing an average figure for Federer based on 7 matches - i.e. 28.6 pts per match.

Actually for the most part that list sounds about right when it comes to surfaces.

Puschkin
09-25-2007, 10:10 AM
No...seeing as he's only talking about the ATP top 5 ranked players and their performance on the different surfaces!

:o stupid me, :smash: for not reading properly.

Jimnik
09-25-2007, 11:59 AM
No surprises at all. Davydenko doesn't make the top 3 on any surface. Goes to show why he's so underrented.

Horatio Caine
09-25-2007, 12:05 PM
No surprises at all. Davydenko doesn't make the top 3 on any surface. Goes to show why he's so underrented.

He isn't a top 3 player, overall, so what is the point behind your statement?

Jimnik
09-25-2007, 12:22 PM
He isn't a top 3 player, overall, so what is the point behind your statement?
He can't challenge for slams because he's not an expert on any particular surface. He'll always be there to beat everyone else and do well but he can't take the next step.

Roddick is #5 overall but he's a top 3 on hard and grass courts.

Monteque
09-25-2007, 12:22 PM
He isn't a top 3 player, overall, so what is the point behind your statement?

:aplot:
make sense :worship:

stebs
09-25-2007, 03:42 PM
As for rewarding those who play a lot of tournaments I am limiting points from optionals to three as a maximum.

As for Davydenko being below top three on each surface well you have a point but it would take an Ezekiel type person to believe that he is actually worse than Djokovic on the surface and his mentality holds him back everywhere and although I would rather this wasn't the case he would've beaten Federer in straights at RG this year if he had a brain in that bald head of his.

stebs
09-25-2007, 03:47 PM
Also, my analysis of it is that the grass rankings aren't so interesting because it is more or less just Wimbledon results plus one optional.

On the clay it is very interesting to see and for me that is the most illuminating. I mean these days it seems that you need to get some good results everywhere to be a top 3 player and therein lies the reason why Roddick is unlikely to challenge anytime soon. Okay, so Davydenko sucks on grass but there aren't enough tournaments for him to fall far behind and in the end he only loses between 50 and 150 race points on the rest of the top 5. Roddick on the other hand loses in excess of 500 points to Nadal. Let me put that in perspective. Nadal could not enter the AO or USO and Roddick could win both and still Nadal has more points. It's just far too much ground to make up for the guy especially seeing as Federer has his number and Djokovic is probably going to beat him at least 50% of the time if not more.

On hard it really shows why Nadal isn't likely to hit #1 this year. Once he starts hitting form his game added to his tenacity and mentality make for a formidable player but when he is not so on he loses matches whilst Federer, Djokovic and Roddick can all continue to win ugly. This is what stops Nadal from being #1 for me and if he had that ability he would be #1 in the race right now in all probability. Also, despite the title in IW Davydenko is actually equal to Nadal, I wouldn't have predicted this beforehand and it shows that the slams really do count. Davydenko has an SF where Nadal has the 4th round and it costs the Spainard dear.

groundstroke
09-25-2007, 04:38 PM
Interesting to see Roddick on the top 5 for clay.

Burrow
09-25-2007, 04:40 PM
Interesting to see Roddick on the top 5 for clay.

Nah it's the current top five analysed, not the top 5 performers on each surface.

jcempire
09-25-2007, 04:41 PM
I am going to do this simply by points gained for HC, grass and clay so any problems you have remember this is not my opinion. This is what happened. Also, this is just the top 5 rearranged for each surface rather than the best 5 players on the surface.

HARDCOURTS

Federer - 646
Djokovic - 513
Roddick - 355
Nadal - 281
Davydenko - 281

CLAYCOURTS

Nadal - 580
Federer - 325
Djokovic - 198
Davydenko - 174
Roddick - 24

GRASSCOURTS

Federer - 200
Nadal - 151
Roddick - 95
Djokovic - 94
Davydenko - 34

Hope that's a little bit interesting. I will add indoors at the end of the year and possible when I have more time I will make it the year end top 10 as well.


Davydenko - 281--------- This guy is Top 5 HARDCOURT. NO............
Are you kidding me????

James Blake should be a Top 5 HardCourter.

Davydenko - 34-----------You list this guy a Top 5 GlassCourter.
Big Joke........
He is not near Top 10.

Andy is a top 5 clay court, LOL. You kidding me a lot.

elessar
09-25-2007, 04:41 PM
Interesting to see Roddick on the top 5 for clay.

:haha: only the top five players are ranked

GlennMirnyi
09-25-2007, 04:42 PM
Roddick always plays ugly, doesn't matter the surface.

elessar
09-25-2007, 04:42 PM
Davydenko - 281--------- This guy is Top 5 HARDCOURT. NO............
Are you kidding me????

James Blake should be a Top 5 HardCourter.

Davydenko - 34-----------You list this guy a Top 5 GlassCourter.
Big Joke........
He is not near Top 10.

Andy is a top 5 clay court, LOL. You kidding me a lot.

LEARN TO READ people stebs only took into acount the points won by the top 5 players

GlennMirnyi
09-25-2007, 04:43 PM
LEARN TO READ people stebs only took into acount the points won by the top 5 players

Roddick fans can't read.

Burrow
09-25-2007, 04:43 PM
Davydenko - 281--------- This guy is Top 5 HARDCOURT. NO............
Are you kidding me????

James Blake should be a Top 5 HardCourter.

Davydenko - 34-----------You list this guy a Top 5 GlassCourter.
Big Joke........
He is not near Top 10.

Andy is a top 5 clay court, LOL. You kidding me a lot.

You are a birdbrain.

He is analysing the top 5 you fool.

Action Jackson
09-25-2007, 04:49 PM
Roddick fans can't read.

Merton is the only one that can.

RickDaStick
09-25-2007, 04:57 PM
Holy shit never knew MTF has so many illiterate people

stebs
09-25-2007, 06:10 PM
groundstroke is funny thinking that Roddick was ACTUALLY one of the best five performers on clay this year. :p An innocent mistake but it was stated in my post how it is the top 5 only.

I don't mind if you can't be bothered to read two lines of text Jcempire but don't flame me for your laziness. Oh, and for the record Blake is actually behind Davydenko on hardcourts based on the statistics. His point total for hardcourts accounting for a maximum of three optionals is 244.

ASP0315
09-25-2007, 06:15 PM
stebs i think is better if you to put records for indoor hard courts and outdoor hard courts separately.
but good thread tough.

stebs
09-25-2007, 06:17 PM
stebs i think is better if you to put records for indoor hard courts and outdoor hard courts separately.
but good thread tough.

Indoors I will do at the end of the year and I will not differentiate between the indoor hard and carpet probably because otherwise you get too small an amount of events. I will also add the other three players who reach the TMC and see what I find.

R.Federer
09-25-2007, 06:19 PM
Thanks. Roddick on clay is the only sore sight. Only 24 points? That's a huge disparity from the other 4. That alone can account for his position in the top 5

I am going to do this simply by points gained for HC, grass and clay so any problems you have remember this is not my opinion. This is what happened. Also, this is just the top 5 rearranged for each surface rather than the best 5 players on the surface.

HARDCOURTS

Federer - 646
Djokovic - 513
Roddick - 355
Nadal - 281
Davydenko - 281

CLAYCOURTS

Nadal - 580
Federer - 325
Djokovic - 198
Davydenko - 174
Roddick - 24

GRASSCOURTS

Federer - 200
Nadal - 151
Roddick - 95
Djokovic - 94
Davydenko - 34

Hope that's a little bit interesting. I will add indoors at the end of the year and possible when I have more time I will make it the year end top 10 as well.

madmanfool
09-25-2007, 06:21 PM
What kind of points are those? Are they race points? So we have to multiply everything by 5 to get the real points? It's annoying because i have no feel for the race points

NinaNina19
09-25-2007, 06:41 PM
Holy shit never knew MTF has so many illiterate people
I'm sure there are many illiterate people here :rolleyes: . They just throw their hands at the keyboard and hope to produce coherent sentences.

Allure
09-25-2007, 07:12 PM
Roddick always plays ugly, doesn't matter the surface.

:yeah:

Allure
09-25-2007, 07:13 PM
Roddick fans can't read.

:haha:

tangerine_dream
09-25-2007, 07:26 PM
I was right about Allure. She really is obsessed with Roddick. :lol:

Allure
09-25-2007, 07:34 PM
Okay you caught me. I'm really a die hard Roddick fan. ;)

GlennMirnyi
09-25-2007, 09:17 PM
Merton is the only one that can.

:haha:

dijus
09-25-2007, 09:47 PM
Roddick always plays ugly, doesn't matter the surface.

Roddick fans can't read.

Merton is the only one that can.

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

selyoink
09-26-2007, 02:12 AM
Davydenko - 281--------- This guy is Top 5 HARDCOURT. NO............
Are you kidding me????

James Blake should be a Top 5 HardCourter.

If Blake is such a better hardcourt player why has he never made the semis at either slam on hardcourt? While Davydenko has made two semis at the USO. Also Davy 3 AO QFs. Blake has a mere 2 slam QFs on hardcourt. Evidence seems to indicate that Davydenko does better on the hardcourts when it really counts while Blake peaks for MM events on hardcourts.

Kolya
09-26-2007, 02:33 AM
Can anyone do the Top 5 performers for each surface?

Burrow
09-27-2007, 03:36 PM
If Blake is such a better hardcourt player why has he never made the semis at either slam on hardcourt? While Davydenko has made two semis at the USO. Also Davy 3 AO QFs. Blake has a mere 2 slam QFs on hardcourt. Evidence seems to indicate that Davydenko does better on the hardcourts when it really counts while Blake peaks for MM events on hardcourts.

Yes correct but that is irrelevant anyway, that guy just cannot read. :lol:

elessar
09-27-2007, 04:28 PM
If Blake is such a better hardcourt player why has he never made the semis at either slam on hardcourt? While Davydenko has made two semis at the USO. Also Davy 3 AO QFs. Blake has a mere 2 slam QFs on hardcourt. Evidence seems to indicate that Davydenko does better on the hardcourts when it really counts while Blake peaks for MM events on hardcourts.

Not just MM events but AMERICAN hard court MMs:p