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LTA suspends top junior players

JustJames
09-24-2007, 07:22 PM
Source: BBC Sport Website http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7010983.stm

Two of Britain's top juniors have been suspended for "unprofessional behaviour" and "lack of discipline".

BBC Sport understands David Rice, the second-best British junior, and Naomi Broady, the national Under-18 champion, have had their funding withdrawn.

They were deemed by the Lawn Tennis Association to have breached contracts requiring them to act professionally.

The LTA took the action after being alerted to photos and confessions on the Bebo social networking website.

Several other British junior players have been warned about their future conduct.

They were found to be publicising a lifestyle of partying, drinking and eating junk-food.

Neither of the players was available for comment and the LTA has not confirmed which players have been suspended.

LTA chief Roger Draper told 5live Sport: "The people they're letting down the most is themselves."

He added: "They've either got to behave like professional athletes or go and do something else.

"It's about taking responsibility, being accountable and sorting their lives out.

"What disappoints me more than anything else is while these people are saying they want to be professional tennis players and want all the trappings that come with that, they aren't behaving in that way.

"We've got to deal with it behind closed doors and there's a big education job to be done with these players. I don't think sometimes they realise the opportunities they've been given."

n the pictures, one British junior is shown slumped on a hotel bed surrounded by empty pizza boxes.

The caption reads "fatty" and someone has posted the comment "I thought you were meant to be an athlete".

Another photo shows one of the juniors standing in the street holding an empty bottle, with the caption: "Me drunk for a change".

On Broady's Bebo page she says she hates "hangovers after a good nite owt [sic]" while Rice says he's happiest when "wiv the boyz partyin and chillin [sic]". He adds "you can't beat Watford 4 a nyt out [sic]".

Virtually all the players left their pages unlocked, allowing the whole world access.

The pages were finally locked on Sunday following calls from furious officials at the LTA.

Reacting on 5live Sport, British number one Andy Murray said: "At a certain age everyone goes through a phase like this.

"I made some mistakes when I was 16 or 17 in Barcelona but now I don't go out, I don't drink, I don't smoke and none of the top players do.

"It's just something as a professional athlete you have to realise, it's one of the sacrifices you have to make; you're not at university, not doing a nine-to-five job, you have to stay in tip-top shape.

"Being professional is the main thing that you need to get right if you want to become a great athlete. If you don't have that then you're never going to make it."

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A nice response to Tim Henman's 'give me more' call to Britain's junior players... :o At least we now know were all the funding that these players virtually demanded off the LTA is going... :rolleyes:

JustJames
09-24-2007, 07:24 PM
I was just wondering..

Can anyone imagine a player from an eastern bloc European country or South America [just two examples] showing such a lack of ambition, dedication and respect?

stebs
09-24-2007, 07:27 PM
I was just wondering..

Can anyone imagine a player from an eastern bloc European country or South America [just two examples] showing such a lack of ambition, dedication and respect?

Yes.

Peoples
09-24-2007, 07:29 PM
I was just wondering..

Can anyone imagine a player from an eastern bloc European country or South America [just two examples] showing such a lack of ambition, dedication and respect?

Yeah, easily

Jaap
09-24-2007, 07:30 PM
I was just wondering..

Can anyone imagine a player from an eastern bloc European country or South America [just two examples] showing such a lack of ambition, dedication and respect?

Yes.

jonny84
09-24-2007, 07:31 PM
They're just teenagers at the end of the day, and everyone goes through the drunken antics stages.

This could be a wake up call for them, and other aspiring tennis players. Seems a bit harsh though.

JustJames
09-24-2007, 07:33 PM
Thanks for the answers... :lol:

But the likelihood of it occurring is most definitely less... British player must rank amongst the lowest motivated in the world, hence Henman's rant. And it wouldn't surprise me if this wasn't just the tip of the iceberg..

scarecrows
09-24-2007, 07:33 PM
I was just wondering..

Can anyone imagine a player from an eastern bloc European country or South America [just two examples] showing such a lack of ambition, dedication and respect?

:lol:

you obviously dont know well the Eastern European players :lol:

JustJames
09-24-2007, 07:35 PM
They're just teenagers at the end of the day, and everyone goes through the drunken antics stages.

This could be a wake up call for them, and other aspiring tennis players. Seems a bit harsh though.

Maybe so.. But they are highly privileged teenagers who are being given an opportunity that many can only dream of. Im not saying that the odd pizza will alter someone's chances of becoming a successful pro but excessive amounts of junk food and alcohol can be damaging to a persons long term fitness levels...

scoobs
09-24-2007, 07:37 PM
Good. Unacceptable behaviour. If they want to be funded and supported they need to grow up and start acting like adults and athletes.

The LTA is one of the best funded national tennis associations in the world and it has a history of producing little more than pampered underachieving muppets.

It's long overdue that they got ruthless with these people. The day after Henman retires and a couple of spots in our Davis Cup team are up for grabs, and we need our juniors and young players to step up, grow up and take the opportunities that they have been given.

Instead we see this sort of attitude and conduct, and it pisses me off. Get rid of them. If they want to get pissed and eat junk every night, they can go away and get a career at McDonalds. We deserve better.

JustJames
09-24-2007, 07:38 PM
:lol:

you obviously dont know well the Eastern European players :lol:

Maybe not.. but there must be a reason as to why Britain can't produce as many pros as Spain, Germany, France and are now even been overtaken by LEDC's were funds are low and the population is not even half of our own..

groundstroke
09-24-2007, 07:49 PM
Not very good news, considering I live in UK.

danton
09-24-2007, 07:52 PM
Good - hopefully it will give them a good sharp shock and they'll come back more determined than ever. Clearly the cotton wool approach doesn't work so Draper has my vote on this 100%

Fee
09-24-2007, 07:54 PM
Busted by a Bebo page? That is classic!

I can practically hear myspace pages being reset to private at this moment, just in case the USTA decided to start checking up on some of their sponsored party boys (but the really incriminating stuff is on Facebook anyway).

Sjengster
09-24-2007, 07:56 PM
I just heard about this on the radio, and of course you get the usual text responses on the show from people saying "Get a life, they're just teenagers, let them enjoy themselves", blah blah blah. Which is fine, but I sincerely hope these won't be the same people texting in every year for the next decade to sledge the latest excellent display from British wildcards at Wimbledon. The standard they need to reach is high, and yes, if you're going to succeed at the highest level as a professional athlete you are going to have to make some sacrifices that other teenagers won't, the habitual pub crawl being one of them.

alfonsojose
09-24-2007, 07:57 PM
:lol: drunk pics, please

JustJames
09-24-2007, 07:59 PM
Busted by a Bebo page? That is classic!

I can practically hear myspace pages being reset to private at this moment, just in case the USTA decided to start checking up on some of their sponsored party boys (but the really incriminating stuff is on Facebook anyway).

A pretty soft way to get caught! Obviously they presumed that since the average age of the people at the LTA is around 80 they would not even know how to access the internet, and would therefore be scott-free of any criticism :lol:

Yep, lookie here: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=162873962

scoobs
09-24-2007, 08:00 PM
It makes me feel ashamed. You have a guy like Dudi Sela from Israel, who has received little or no supporting funding in recent years from his Federation and has been struggling to keep going at times, who wants it so badly and works so fucking hard - and then plays for his country and singlehandedly wins the two singles ties they need with the doubles from Erlich and Ram, to dump Chile out and move up to the World Group.

It's no wonder British tennis largely an embarrassment - we seem to very rarely spawn players with even a sliver of that attitude.

It really makes my blood boil.

Everyone blames the LTA but in the end, the LTA can only lead the horse to water, it can't make it drink. If our young players didn't have the LTA gravy train behind them they'd have to shape up or get the hell out because they had bills they couldn't pay, same as in other countries that can't afford to throw a living at its players.

Jim Courier
09-24-2007, 08:02 PM
I was just wondering..

Can anyone imagine a player from an eastern bloc European country or South America [just two examples] showing such a lack of ambition, dedication and respect?

If only British players would emulate the stakhanovism of Nalbandian and Safin.

JustJames
09-24-2007, 08:09 PM
If only British players would emulate the stakhanovism of Nalbandian and Safin.

Two very bad examples. Regardless of the stories and gossip that is almost daily revealed about these two players on MTF, both have been Top 5 players.. an achievement that comes hand in hand with hard work.

Don't kid yourself.. although both show a less than dedicated attitude towards tennis these days, they would have both worked very hard early on in their respective careers to get to the levels that they have gotten to.

Stensland
09-24-2007, 08:09 PM
i don't think that's a "british" problem at all. british tennis isn't way worse than other developed countries' like germany, france or the states. once you're able to spoil your kids, most won't put that much effort in achieving great goals. that doesn't surprise me.

obviously eastern european girls and boys generally have a different approach and the russians take the number 1 spot when it comes to a kinda "radical" lifestyle while growing up to be a pro, be it tennis, hockey or athletics.

Jim Courier
09-24-2007, 08:10 PM
I sort of agree, i was kidding here.

scoobs
09-24-2007, 08:12 PM
i don't think that's a "british" problem at all. british tennis isn't way worse than other developed countries' like germany, france or the states. once you're able to spoil your kids, most won't put that much effort in achieving great goals. that doesn't surprise me.

obviously eastern european girls and boys generally have a different approach and the russians take the number 1 spot when it comes to a kinda "radical" lifestyle while growing up to be a pro, be it tennis, hockey or athletics.
No I don't think it's an exclusively British problem either but it's one we've struggled with more severely and for much longer than comparable nations.

JustJames
09-24-2007, 08:12 PM
I sort of agree, i was kidding here.

Ok!?! :lol:

[Regardless of your point I was rather impressed with your use of 'stakhanovism'.. :p ]

coreyschucky
09-24-2007, 08:26 PM
This isn't the first time athletes were caught on social networking sites. I know of a few universities here in the US where athletes were caught in compromising photographs and were disicplined for it. Some universities are making there athletes sign letters stating they won't be caught in things like this and that they must avoid these situations in order to keep scholarships.

Allstar
09-24-2007, 08:38 PM
Would like to see the profiles for myself. The whole tennis system is a joke in this country but just based on the quotes it perhaps seems a bit harsh.

TheBoiledEgg
09-24-2007, 08:46 PM
Andy Murray still got a Bebo page :lol:

http://bebo.com/andymurray007

musefanatic
09-24-2007, 08:48 PM
The LTA took the action after being alerted to photos and confessions on the Bebo social networking website.


Ah gods sake, these types of websites are the evil of all evils :p I do feel sorry for them having it exposed this way but, well, they are afterall athletes and they need to take it seriously.

Fee
09-24-2007, 08:53 PM
Andy Murray still got a Bebo page :lol:

http://bebo.com/andymurray007


Probably as authentic as his myspace page.

TheBoiledEgg
09-24-2007, 08:55 PM
Probably as authentic as his myspace page.

if you checked his "friends" list there's alot of Brit players on there.

rocketassist
09-24-2007, 10:03 PM
Shame their bebos were closed, so we can tell them what a pair of pointless****s they are.

British tennis is doomed beyond the Murrays.

~*BGT*~
09-25-2007, 03:30 AM
As a teenager as well, I don't think it was right for them to be cut-off for their bebo pages. I think they should have been admonished and counciled about proper behavior, and how improper behavior can negatively affect their careers and people's perceptions of them. Granted, the stupid kids should have had their pages private, and the majority of their pics could have been of them practicing or playing matches. Although, this is coming from a future MBA student who took a participated in a facebook etiquette meeting.

Action Jackson
09-25-2007, 06:27 AM
Surprising as seeing a Muslim in Saudi Arabia.

*snowflake*
09-25-2007, 06:51 AM
But you do have top tennis players setting that example. It's like digging a hole for my own but didn't Rafa say that he likes to party with his friends and drink tekila? He probably doesn't do it every week but when a 14 year old reads that, it tells them it's okay. That goes for many other players.
On the other hand athletes that don't drink and party at all are rare cause at the end of the day they're all humans too. Look at NBA, NFL, any football (soccer) or basketball team, i don't see them holding back on their night life. So looking from a different perspective the suspension might be a tid bit harsh.

Forehander
09-25-2007, 07:33 AM
lol sucked in. There were cases like these too down in sydney not long ago. All i can say is those guys better sort themselves out otherwise their lives are fucked. Playing tennis with no future + no education = trash.

JustJames
09-25-2007, 02:32 PM
But you do have top tennis players setting that example. It's like digging a hole for my own but didn't Rafa say that he likes to party with his friends and drink tekila? He probably doesn't do it every week but when a 14 year old reads that, it tells them it's okay. That goes for many other players.
On the other hand athletes that don't drink and party at all are rare cause at the end of the day they're all humans too. Look at NBA, NFL, any football (soccer) or basketball team, i don't see them holding back on their night life. So looking from a different perspective the suspension might be a tid bit harsh.

The main difference is that the two players who have now been suspended are juniors. Nadal probably enjoys a social drink with his friends but did he go out clubbing at the ages of 16/17..? And another point is that these players are working on LTA time, they are drinking on the shift. If these players were 20, successful pros who were paying their own way around the circuit and for their coach then there would be few qualms about a few late night drinking sessions but that it is definitely not.. :o

Corey Feldman
09-26-2007, 09:39 PM
Utter total upper class tossers :rolleyes:

this is the English mentality thesedays..... show yourself to be a lager lout and you are cool, just look at them prasing Flintoff to the high heavens in 2005..

for winning the ashes? partly
for staggering and falling drunk everywhere in the celebrations? big time

of course they changed tune this year when he fell of a peddalo drunk at 3AM :lol:

back to these tossers: beyond words what a pathetic waste of space they are (and there are more than these 2) they dont know they're born thesedays - posting these pics as if they are proud of themselves.... the stupidity levels here are unreal.

and something else, they should be made to pay back every penny they got.

social status and being a drunk party goer is more important to them than a potential privilaged career.

altho they also probably knew they were crap no-hopers anyway, only Perry's and Henman's come around every 50 years.

good luck cleaning bogs for the next 20 years tools :wavey:

and good luck to Scotland in the Davis Cup next year

stebs
09-26-2007, 10:07 PM
The Rice one is harsh having read the whole story. The only imcriminating picture of him was sitting on a sofa with his mates with a can of lager in his hand. I mean come on, is it that bad?

Corey Feldman
09-26-2007, 10:18 PM
Yes Stebs

its disgraceful, who knows what else he was doing :(

:p

stebs
09-26-2007, 10:24 PM
Yes Stebs

its disgraceful, who knows what else he was doing :(

:p

Well lets be honest, he probably never had the talent to get out of the 500's on the ATP tour anyway. It's only a big deal 'cos it's tennis, the game for inflexible 60 year old snore merchants.

Corey Feldman
09-26-2007, 10:35 PM
You'd think if any of them cared about it.... they wouldnt allow pics to be flashed everywhere, thats what gets me.

and they are ruining it probably for some good prospects who didnt get help, remember the LTA never helped Jamie Muzza.

jazar
09-27-2007, 10:09 AM
all the top british juniors that stay in britain to train have very similar attitudes to rice and broady. it just makes me laugh. if they go abroad to train at an academy they are less likely to have that attitude and more likely to be successful. in britain they are spoon fed and given everything they need. they dont learn independence as they live in luxury. they just assume that because they have all this backing that success will come regardless of what they do.

jazar
09-27-2007, 10:14 AM
its not that hard to avoid drinking alcohol and eating junk food and if they dont have the willpower to do that, then they dont have the willpower to make it to the top in tennis

decrepitude
09-27-2007, 12:15 PM
its not that hard to avoid drinking alcohol and eating junk food and if they dont have the willpower to do that, then they dont have the willpower to make it to the top in tennis
Good heavens. For once in my life I agree with Jazar about something!

t0x
09-27-2007, 12:51 PM
its not that hard to avoid drinking alcohol and eating junk food and if they dont have the willpower to do that, then they dont have the willpower to make it to the top in tennis

Well said.

Our juniors need to grow up and start accepting some responsibility. I mean these kids are throwing away an oppotunity other kids would kill for - they don't deserve funding at all. Hopefully they'll both learn that they can't get everything they want, and they have to make some sacrifices.

Mike Kim
09-27-2007, 01:23 PM
I always thought the problem with British tennis is the players themselves, mainly their attitudes, and not the system. Kids are not hungry enough, kids do not work hard enough, kids have the wrong attitude, and they do unprofessional things and live inappropriate lifestyles. They just don’t have it or want it enough, and no matter what the LTA does, you can’t produce players from gutless and undedicated monkeys. Other countries realize this, and dedicate themselves to their sport and realize that it takes hours of training a day, and not hours sitting at your play station, or drinking beers. Britain needs to start admitting this, and I applauded Tin Henman with my hands and feet when he was the first to stand up and admit the problem.

Corey Feldman
09-27-2007, 04:47 PM
Im sure there is some juniors all over the world who enjoy a drink and whatever else after training, and can even still make it...

no one will tell me someone like Baghdatis didnt enjoy a few good times when he was coming up ;)

but none of them post pics of the behaviour on the net - how utterly stupid can they be?

its all they will ever be remembered for.... :lol: good luck in the rest of your lifes muppets.

adee-gee
09-27-2007, 04:53 PM
Britain are crying out for 1 or 2 decent players at the moment. We've managed to get ourselves into a decent position in the Davis Cup, have a load of good coaches working for us, and tennis is on the rise.

We have a top 10 player in Andy Murray, a very good doubles player in Jamie Murray and just need 1 or 2 more decent players to have the makings of a very solid team. The sad thing is, there doesn't seem to be anyone coming through. Bogdanovic is the best of a bad bunch and I don't see him winning any world group matches.

FedFan_2007
09-27-2007, 04:58 PM
It just goes to show that the Brits are the worst, most miserable failures in the world.

stebs
09-27-2007, 05:04 PM
It just goes to show that the Brits are the worst, most miserable failures in the world.

An interesting conclusion.

rocketassist
09-27-2007, 05:06 PM
It just goes to show that the Brits are the worst, most miserable failures in the world.

Coming from a nation with no technically gifted players from a population of 243 million. All that and all they can produce are big serving ball bashers.

Sunset of Age
09-27-2007, 10:28 PM
It's not just the British young players - I remember that somewhere at the beginning of this year, two young Dutch players were suspended/penalized for 'partying' as well. One of the two was Thiemo De Bakker, can't remember the other bloke's name - might have been Robin Haase.

Ah, those guys are YOUNG. Of course, they should be corrected when things go out of hand, but on the other side... youth is so fast to pass... :angel:

jazar
09-28-2007, 08:49 AM
if i can avoid drinking in freshers week at uni, then they should be able to avoid drinking at one of the poshest tennis facilities in the world

decrepitude
09-28-2007, 11:18 AM
To those saying they should just have been warned: Jonathan Overend of R5live, who started the whole affair, says they had been warned before. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A27300179

Which just reinforces my view that the LTA are quite correct here - they don't deserve the funding. Let them try to get their careers going on their own, and leave the funding for people more deserving.

KitinovRules
09-28-2007, 02:20 PM
I was just wondering..

Can anyone imagine a player from an eastern bloc European country or South America [just two examples] showing such a lack of ambition, dedication and respect?

I just read one article where Niki Pilic said that he is very close to part a way with Ernest Gulbis mainly because of lack of ambition for training.

So,....