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Bjorkman gives his analysis of Roddick's game

Fensler
09-24-2007, 05:34 AM
These comments are taken from the following article - released Sunday, 9/23/07.

Your thoughts?

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=3033025

-While Roddick's serve is still one of the main structural beams in his game, Bjorkman said he also deserves credit for his staying power in rallies.

"Sometimes it doesn't look that he moves well, but he does," said Bjorkman, who hadn't played Roddick since a Davis Cup tie in 2004. "Sort of the way he moves, long steps, it looks maybe sometimes not so smooth, but he's always there.

"Everyone speaks about his serve, but I think sometimes they forget about the variety of his game. He actually has good movement back from the baseline and also he makes a lot of returns. He's always been a great fighter. I think his backhand is much better now. I would say when I played him three years ago, you felt that if you came in on a good approach, it was really tough for him to make a pass. I think now he's much more confident to hit it." -

Allure
09-24-2007, 05:43 AM
Ducktards will put Bjorkman in their sigs now. :lol:

Fensler
09-24-2007, 05:59 AM
Ducktards will put Bjorkman in their sigs now. :lol:

Yes - I don't think Roddick fans could ask for much better than that. Bjorkman's words here are like manna from heaven.

I wonder if there were any of those little cartoon hearts floating around his head while he made those comments. :D

Kolya
09-24-2007, 07:02 AM
Very kind words from Bjorkman.

Fee
09-24-2007, 07:06 AM
Ducktards will put Bjorkman in their sigs now. :lol:

Ducktards read the transcript hours ago. I haven't seen anyone's signature change. Sorry to disappoint you.

World Beater
09-24-2007, 07:06 AM
roddick's form has been very impressive.

Allure
09-24-2007, 07:09 AM
Cannot wait until he beats Federer now. ;)

Fensler
09-24-2007, 07:26 AM
Very kind words from Bjorkman.

Yes.

Humble, respectful, and analytical in defeat was he.

Allure
09-24-2007, 07:33 AM
Yes.

Humble, respectful, and analytical in defeat was he.

He was only saying that so it doesn't look like he got beaten by someone untalented. ;)

groundstroke
09-24-2007, 07:44 AM
Close match, shame Bjorkman is very old, he could of beaten Roddick if he was younger. Roddick is looking great at the moment.

Or Levy
09-24-2007, 08:31 AM
Andy had a tough HC season, nice that even though it ended as usual, defeat to Roger in the Q of the USO, his form there lifted his spirits. Hope he is on the other side of the draw for AO.

NYCtennisfan
09-24-2007, 03:19 PM
Bjorkman is right about the BH. Roddick's passes off of the BH are a lot better now and he also hits better in rallies with the BH You don't see that many sitters offered up any more. Roddick also gets his racquet on a lot of returns. I would disagree about the movement. Roddick's movement used to be a lot better when he was younger when he was carrying around a lot less weight.

Burrow
09-24-2007, 03:21 PM
Close match, shame Bjorkman is very old, he could of beaten Roddick if he was younger. Roddick is looking great at the moment.

:lol:

ReturnWinner
09-24-2007, 03:52 PM
I agree with him, Roddick´s main weapon is his serve by far but his overall game is good, of course not at the same league as for example

Federer,Hewitt,Nadal,Nalbandian ,Djokovic,Safin -at his best-, etc


but anyway it is good and pretty solid.

star
09-24-2007, 04:39 PM
Ducktards will put Bjorkman in their sigs now. :lol:

Well, you know some ducktards have been fans of Bjorkman since long before Andy started playing pro tennis. :) :wavey: :)

Jonas is such a great guy. I'm seriously dreading his leaving the tour although I know he has only a few years left. He, to me, is the epitome of class and grace on the tour and has been since Rafter left. :)

star
09-24-2007, 04:41 PM
Bjorkman is right about the BH. Roddick's passes off of the BH are a lot better now and he also hits better in rallies with the BH You don't see that many sitters offered up any more. Roddick also gets his racquet on a lot of returns. I would disagree about the movement. Roddick's movement used to be a lot better when he was younger when he was carrying around a lot less weight.

I agree with you about the movement. To me, Andy needs to slim down with more elongating and stretching exercises. I've been saying this for years, so it's nice to see agreement from somebody. ;) :)

DuMa
09-24-2007, 04:51 PM
ARod get sa lot of criticism on this board but he sure does give it all every match.

ReturnWinner
09-24-2007, 04:56 PM
Well, you know some ducktards have been fans of Bjorkman since long before Andy started playing pro tennis. :) :wavey: :)

Jonas is such a great guy. I'm seriously dreading his leaving the tour although I know he has only a few years left. He, to me, is the epitome of class and grace on the tour and has been since Rafter left. :)

in ur opinion he is nice, he is kinda like a prick form e

star
09-24-2007, 05:08 PM
in ur opinion he is nice, he is kinda like a prick form e

I can't understand your reply very well, but I think you just called Jonas a prick. :ras:

tangerine_dream
09-24-2007, 05:18 PM
Great comments from Bjorkman but he's not the first player to mention that Andy's game is more than just a serve.

Veronique
09-24-2007, 05:49 PM
You can just feel the disappointment from those who came in this thread expecting to read negative comments from Bjorkman.

Veronique
09-24-2007, 05:52 PM
Well, you know some ducktards have been fans of Bjorkman since long before Andy started playing pro tennis. :) :wavey: :)

Jonas is such a great guy. I'm seriously dreading his leaving the tour although I know he has only a few years left. He, to me, is the epitome of class and grace on the tour and has been since Rafter left. :)

The small excerpt of Jonas' interview on daviscup.org is a bit bitter though. He was complaining that Andy was taking too much time (45s) before hitting the 2nd serve. He would have liked to see the chair intervene. That was a bit weird coming from him.

Peoples
09-24-2007, 06:14 PM
Roddick's had his ups and downs but on average has always been pretty much the best hard court player after Fed in the past few years.

stebs
09-24-2007, 06:47 PM
Roddick's had his ups and downs but on average has always been pretty much the best hard court player after Fed in the past few years.

Off clay Roddick has been very good for several years now and the problem for him is that he has the game to consistently get the job done against lower ranked players and even most of the top 20 but the very best players are just too good for him. The result of that is:

SF, QF, QF in the non clay slams and that is excellent stuff with two of the losses coming to Federer. If he'd have got the job done against Gasquet it would probably be a clean sweep of Federer defeats, in a way I think it may be better for him to lose to someone else. If Federer had beaten him at the AO, Wimbledon and the USo that would have to hurt his confidence.

Peoples
09-24-2007, 06:57 PM
SF, QF, QF in the non clay slams and that is excellent stuff with two of the losses coming to Federer. If he'd have got the job done against Gasquet it would probably be a clean sweep of Federer defeats, in a way I think it may be better for him to lose to someone else. If Federer had beaten him at the AO, Wimbledon and the USo that would have to hurt his confidence.
Like Muller in 1st round?
I mean, come on, losing to an inferior player is always more discouraging than losing to the world no.1 for any player. The "Muller" kind of losses hurt his confidence more than anything.

Allure
09-24-2007, 07:01 PM
Off clay Roddick has been very good for several years now and the problem for him is that he has the game to consistently get the job done against lower ranked players and even most of the top 20 but the very best players are just too good for him. The result of that is:

SF, QF, QF in the non clay slams and that is excellent stuff with two of the losses coming to Federer. If he'd have got the job done against Gasquet it would probably be a clean sweep of Federer defeats, in a way I think it may be better for him to lose to someone else. If Federer had beaten him at the AO, Wimbledon and the USo that would have to hurt his confidence.

Agree that is why he has a hard time beating Nadal, Djokovic and Federer. When he faces someone ranked higher than him, he usually loses.

stebs
09-24-2007, 07:12 PM
Like Muller in 1st round?
I mean, come on, losing to an inferior player is always more discouraging than losing to the world no.1 for any player. The "Muller" kind of losses hurt his confidence more than anything.

Gasquet hitting top form and winning 8-6 in the fifth does not = Muller in straights in the first round.

I don't see how you made that connection, the two are nothing alike. Off clay he has been consistent, of course most people have the odd terrible loss, it's normal.

Off clay since '03:

AO - SF
W - SF
US - W
AO - QF
W - F
US - QF
AO - SF
W - F
US - R128
AO - R16
W - R32
US - F
AO - SF
W - QF
US - QF

So, that's:

15 tournaments played
12 Quarter finals
8 Semi finals
4 finals
1 championship

I'd say that is consistently very good results. Only Federer can match that on tour for consistency over a a 5 year period.

vahep
09-24-2007, 07:16 PM
He was also having trouble with Murray in the early-season.

The biggest flaw in his game is the hardest one to correct unfortunately. Yes his backhand has improved in some respects, but it is still fundamentally flawed. This was a flaw that originated during the development stage of his career, so it is so deeply ingrained into his mechanics that even taking a shot at correcting it (still no guarantees) would require leaving the tour for about 4 months, maybe more.

His current form (which is still damn good), is the best he can hope for unless he fixes that issue. If he and Connors are serious about having a real shot at #1, it is the only chance he has.

Peoples
09-24-2007, 07:17 PM
Gasquet hitting top form and winning 8-6 in the fifth does not = Muller in straights in the first round.

I don't see how you made that connection, the two are nothing alike. Off clay he has been consistent, of course most people have the odd terrible loss, it's normal.

Off clay since '03:

AO - SF
W - SF
US - W
AO - QF
W - F
US - QF
AO - SF
W - F
US - R128
AO - R16
W - R32
US - F
AO - SF
W - QF
US - QF

So, that's:

15 tournaments played
12 Quarter finals
8 Semi finals
4 finals
1 championship

I'd say that is consistently very good results. Only Federer can match that on tour for consistency over a a 5 year period.

It doesn't matter. If you listen to Andy speak after his losses to inferior players and losses to Federer you'll see a big difference.

stebs
09-24-2007, 07:18 PM
It doesn't matter. If you listen to Andy speak after his losses to inferior players and losses to Federer you'll see a big difference.

Maybe so but it is also apparent that when Roddick focuses too much on trying to beat Roger he suffers as an overall player and it costs him dear.

RickDaStick
09-24-2007, 08:37 PM
Well, you know some ducktards have been fans of Bjorkman since long before Andy started playing pro tennis. :) :wavey: :)

Jonas is such a great guy. I'm seriously dreading his leaving the tour although I know he has only a few years left. He, to me, is the epitome of class and grace on the tour and has been since Rafter left. :)

Yea that scene at Wimbledon was real classy :rolleyes:

DrJules
09-24-2007, 08:49 PM
Off clay since '03:

AO - SF
W - SF
US - W
AO - QF
W - F
US - QF
AO - SF
W - F
US - R128
AO - R16
W - R32
US - F
AO - SF
W - QF
US - QF

So, that's:

15 tournaments played
12 Quarter finals
8 Semi finals
4 finals
1 championship

I'd say that is consistently very good results. Only Federer can match that on tour for consistency over a a 5 year period.

This table posted elsewhere illustrates the Roddick success:

http://tennisworld.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/10/eff99.jpg

If I had the time I would put together a table showing the best grand slam performers in the last decade or more based on using the points currently awarded by the ATP; winner 200, runner-up 140 etc to determine the greatest grand slam performers.

stebs
09-24-2007, 10:04 PM
If I had the time I would put together a table showing the best grand slam performers in the last decade or more based on using the points currently awarded by the ATP; winner 200, runner-up 140 etc to determine the greatest grand slam performers.

Problem with this system for ranking overall performers is it gives probably too much credit to longeivity. It's not that it shouldn't be a factor, for sure it should, however, for most the performances of players while they were at a level high enough to compete for GS titles is what counts. How many QF's and SF's people can amass later on in a career when they can no longer win titles matters for good players but shouldn't be hugely important for judging the cream of the crop.

NYCtennisfan
09-25-2007, 02:51 AM
I agree with you about the movement. To me, Andy needs to slim down with more elongating and stretching exercises. I've been saying this for years, so it's nice to see agreement from somebody. ;) :)

I really think it's almost impossible for him to get back to his old shape because he's filled out. He was long and rangy when he was young and moved quite smoothly but with explosiveness. Then he filled out. To get into a really lean and muscular form, he would have to train like a demon in December, and he might get into that shape, but then it would probably get difficult to maintain that shape during the long season.

jcempire
09-25-2007, 04:59 AM
Yes - I don't think Roddick fans could ask for much better than that. Bjorkman's words here are like manna from heaven.

I wonder if there were any of those little cartoon hearts floating around his head while he made those comments. :D

Agree

R.Federer
09-25-2007, 05:08 AM
Nice words from Jonas, classy in defeat. He hasn't said anything new. :shrug: Even people who continuously put Roddick down here know that he is more than a serve.

I don't think he has a ton of variety in his game, though he has improved that aspect tremendously over the last 3-4 years. If anyone has seen the grass matches of 2003, you can see how much less variety he had then.

R.Federer
09-25-2007, 05:17 AM
Nice comments from Bjorkman but he's not the first player to comment to the press that Andy's game is more than just a serve. :)

And then you have people like Federer ;)

When asked about playing Gasquet or Roddick in the Wimbledon semis, "One is a great serve, one is a great player" :lol: :mad: :o

World Beater
09-25-2007, 05:20 AM
And then you have people like Federer ;)

When asked about playing Gasquet or Roddick in the Wimbledon semis, "One is a great serve, one is a great player" :lol: :mad: :o

do you actually have a source for that?

because ive always seen federer has a lot of respect for roddick. In fact many times, roger has said that he respect andy a lot and thinks he's a great player.

R.Federer
09-25-2007, 05:23 AM
do you actually have a source for that?

because ive always seen federer has a lot of respect for roddick. In fact many times, roger has said that he respect andy a lot and thinks he's a great player.
Let me try find one

I didn't make up the quote, but I may have got the words put in wrongly. Let me see if I can dig it up

Allure
09-25-2007, 05:36 AM
do you actually have a source for that?

because ive always seen federer has a lot of respect for roddick. In fact many times, roger has said that he respect andy a lot and thinks he's a great player.

I remember that. It was during Wimbledon before their QF match and someone asked Federer about the matchup. Federer said ''Andy is a great server, Richard is a great player.'' I don't think it was quoted on paper but if someone has the video clip, maybe they can upload it.

R.Federer
09-25-2007, 05:57 AM
Sorry WorldBeater, I can't find the quote on an interview. Let me see if I can quickly find it in the Federer forum

I remember that. It was during Wimbledon before their QF match and someone asked Federer about the matchup. Federer said ''Andy is a great server, Richard is a great player.'' I don't think it was quoted on paper but if someone has the video clip, maybe they can upload it.

That's right. He was asked who he'd prefer to play, and he said either and then made the above comment.

World Beater
09-25-2007, 06:02 AM
Sorry WorldBeater, I can't find the quote on an interview. Let me see if I can quickly find it in the Federer forum



That's right. He was asked who he'd prefer to play, and he said either and then made the above comment.

no no...i heard federer say something like that but he didn't say "andy is a great server, gasquet is a great player" at least not how i remember it.

he said sth on the lines of "andy has a great serve".

then later on in the interview, i think he said "gasquet is a great player". so i dont think he intended to put both together consecutively which has a different effect.

if he indeed said what you stated then federer was being an arsehole.

R.Federer
09-25-2007, 06:05 AM
no no...i heard federer say something like that but he didn't say "andy is a great server, gasquet is a great player" at least not how i remember it.

he said sth on the lines of "andy has a great serve".

then later on in the interview, i think he said "gasquet is a great player". so i dont think he intended to put both together consecutively which has a different effect.

if he indeed said what you stated then federer was being an arsehole.

Still trying to dig it up.... I did read the quote the way I saw it. Possible that two disparate thoughts were put together by a mischievous journalist :angel:
I think someone (Mirkaland maybe :scratch: ) had it as a sig for a while too

Allure
09-25-2007, 06:55 AM
no no...i heard federer say something like that but he didn't say "andy is a great server, gasquet is a great player" at least not how i remember it.

he said sth on the lines of "andy has a great serve".

then later on in the interview, i think he said "gasquet is a great player". so i dont think he intended to put both together consecutively which has a different effect.

if he indeed said what you stated then federer was being an arsehole.

Nope I remembered he said ''Andy is a great server; Richard's a great player'' consecutively. ;)

World Beater
09-25-2007, 06:58 AM
Nope I remembered he said ''Andy is a great server; Richard's a great player'' consecutively. ;)

thats pretty poor.:o :rolleyes:

Action Jackson
09-25-2007, 07:00 AM
thats pretty poor.:o :rolleyes:

Is it?

For the record I agree with part one of that statement and not part two.

Allure
09-25-2007, 07:05 AM
Is it?

For the record I agree with part one of that statement and not part two.

That's not surprising. :lol:

World Beater
09-25-2007, 07:09 AM
Is it?

For the record I agree with part one of that statement and not part two.

federer's comparison between gasquet and roddick is pretty poor and thats what i was alluding to, not the individual phrases by themselves. That statement was intended to put andy down, and elevate gasquet.

But federer has long believed the hype about gasquet, and deep down probably doesn't think much of roddick but he did a good job of not showing it in the past.

Allure
09-25-2007, 07:33 AM
federer's comparison between gasquet and roddick is pretty poor and thats what i was alluding to, not the individual phrases by themselves. That statement was intended to put andy down, and elevate gasquet.

But federer has long believed the hype about gasquet, and deep down probably doesn't think much of roddick but he did a good job of not showing it in the past.

I think when Roger said ''Andy is a great server'' it doesn't mean he doesn't think Andy's not a good player but his serve stands out more. And saying Gasquet's a great player is just saying overall Gasquet's a good player. I don't think Roger was trying to put Andy down and wanting to elevate Gasquet or that he thinks little of Andy's game.

Action Jackson
09-25-2007, 07:40 AM
federer's comparison between gasquet and roddick is pretty poor and thats what i was alluding to, not the individual phrases by themselves. That statement was intended to put andy down, and elevate gasquet.

But federer has long believed the hype about gasquet, and deep down probably doesn't think much of roddick but he did a good job of not showing it in the past.

That's your view of it and fair enough.

Roddick is a great server we know this, and Gasquet being a great player, well if people want to believe hype and calling Gasquet "Mozart" at one stage, then that's his choice.

He is free to say what he wants and also to cop flak for saying it as well.

anny12
09-25-2007, 11:53 AM
If Federer did indeed say that about Andy and Gasquet it is rude no matter what his intentions were. Although Roger and Andy do seem to have a joking sort of relationship and Roger is usually very complimentary towards Andy and vice-versa, so it seems very un-Fed like to say something like that in a non-joking capacity, but you never know. My guess would be a mis-quote by a reporter.

Peoples
09-25-2007, 12:27 PM
I remember blah blah... is not a source.

Allure
09-25-2007, 02:04 PM
I remember blah blah... is not a source.

So I just imagined Federer saying those exact words during Wimbledon in a sweatshirt for no reason. :scratch:

R.Federer
09-25-2007, 05:48 PM
do you actually have a source for that?

I found a source. It's below. Video source, so you can see and hear exactly
no no...he said sth on the lines of "andy has a great serve".
then later on in the interview, i think he said "gasquet is a great player". so i dont think he intended to put both together consecutively which has a different effect.

No. He said it exactly like it is below.
I remember blah blah... is not a source.
Source below.

So I just imagined Federer saying those exact words during Wimbledon in a sweatshirt for no reason. :scratch:
No sweatshirt. It's that classy coat again

We'll see how the next round goes. Gasquet is a fantastic player. Or Roddick, you know, who's a fantastic server.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/6277574.stm (Scroll down to Watch: Interview with Roger Federer). It's at approximately 52 seconds

Allure
09-25-2007, 06:48 PM
I found a source. It's below. Video source, so you can see and hear exactly

No. He said it exactly like it is below.

Source below.


No sweatshirt. It's that classy coat again

We'll see how the next round goes. Gasquet is a fantastic player. Or Roddick, you know, who's a fantastic server.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/6277574.stm (Scroll down to Watch: Interview with Roger Federer). It's at approximately 52 seconds

Thank you, R.Federer. :yeah: Now there won't be any more debate on what Federer said. BTW, it's just one man's opinion. No one should get offended. ;)

thrust
09-25-2007, 09:20 PM
Andy has played very well at the USO and since. Hopefully, he can keep it up and play even better. Bjorkman knows what he is talking about.

Corey Feldman
09-26-2007, 08:52 PM
Here's my analysis of Roddick's game:

A Serve.