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How to show class in MTF... Congrats Sela for your awesome performance!!

*Viva Chile*
09-23-2007, 06:21 PM
I'm so sad at this moment, but the thing this guy has done have no words to me. Sela played top 5 level incredibly. Gonzo not played bad, but what this guy has done is speechless :eek:

Chileans, don't worry... we'll be in WG again in 2009 :hug:

EDIT: And thanks so much Feña for all the effort :hug:

Shahar26
09-23-2007, 06:24 PM
I'm so sad at this moment, but the thing this guy has done have no words to me. Sela played top 5 level incredibly. Gonzo not played bad, but what this guy has done is speechless :eek:

Chileans, don't worry... we'll be in WG again in 2009 :hug:

It's nice to see that in here :wavey:

GlennMirnyi
09-23-2007, 06:27 PM
Class? This is an excuse for Crapzalez's terrible performance. :lol:

Action Jackson
09-23-2007, 06:27 PM
Dudi may be small, but he played above his height and his ranking this weekend and Davis Cup can do this to certain players.

Great reaction to defeat Viva Chile, it would be good if there were more like that.

*Viva Chile*
09-23-2007, 06:31 PM
Class? This is an excuse for Crapzalez's terrible performance. :lol:

Quoting this sentence is too much IMO, but I'm assuming that you didn't watch the match.

Tommy fan
09-23-2007, 06:33 PM
Dudi played extremly well (And Gonzo played well too)
And it's so nuce to read things people like you write. It's nice to get compliments insted "he played suck" "how we lost??" and etc.

GlennMirnyi
09-23-2007, 06:34 PM
Quoting this sentence is too much IMO, but I'm assuming that you didn't watch the match.

The live stream did work here, don't know about there.

Tommy fan
09-23-2007, 06:35 PM
Dudi played extremly well (And Gonzo played well too)
And it's so nuce to read things people like you write. It's nice to get compliments insted "he played suck" "how we lost??" and etc.:wavey:

Or Levy
09-23-2007, 06:35 PM
Thank you. This comment is heart-warming, especially here :)

cobalt60
09-23-2007, 06:37 PM
I'm so sad at this moment, but the thing this guy has done have no words to me. Sela played top 5 level incredibly. Gonzo not played bad, but what this guy has done is speechless :eek:

Chileans, don't worry... we'll be in WG again in 2009 :hug:

You are a winner too. :hug: It is nice to see some fans have class and maturity without attacking other posters as well as the players involved. Remember emotions and pressures run very deep for everyone. Kudos to both teams for making this tie memorable for all involved. Cheers Senor :yeah:

Albop
09-23-2007, 06:49 PM
congrats dudi
:bigclap:

top 10 play today


gonzo :hug:

RickDaStick
09-23-2007, 06:53 PM
What's with all this crazy sela played like a top 5 top 10 player? If he would of played the same level against Federer it would of been 2 2 and 2 for Feds. It has a lot to do with who is across the net and of course a lot of players can look like top players when they are getting short balls all day to hammer.

Lee
09-23-2007, 09:31 PM
I'm so sad at this moment, but the thing this guy has done have no words to me. Sela played top 5 level incredibly. Gonzo not played bad, but what this guy has done is speechless :eek:

Chileans, don't worry... we'll be in WG again in 2009 :hug:

EDIT: And thanks so much Feña for all the effort :hug:

:hatoff:

RonE
09-23-2007, 09:52 PM
Thanks VivaChile for always being classy and a gentleman :hatoff:

I can only imagine how disappointing this was for the Chilean team and their fans but your boys left their guts out on the court and that is all you can ask of them. Kudos for the fight.

Rogiman
09-23-2007, 09:53 PM
Dudi grew up in Kiryat Shemona in the north of Israel, not far from where I grew up (my brother once lost to his older brother Ofer in straights :tape: ).

Kiryat Shemona, even for most Israelis, is known for its short distance from the Lebanese border and the Hizbulla missiles landing in its territory every now and then, and most of its residents have limited financial capabilities.

Dudi's family moved to Tel-Aviv with him to give him a shot at becoming a professional (he was one of the best in the world in juniors), but could not afford to make up for the modest (to say the least) financial support he's received from our tennis federation.

When people judge Noam Okun for what he said about women's tennis they should keep in mind its mainly frustration about the kind of opportunities a player like Shahar Peer, whose parents are very rich, has always had that he would never get.
Noam has talent, I watched him outplay Hewitt for large part of their 2002 USO match, but it was evident it was proper training and mental preparation he had lacked.

I hope one of those rich jews around the world will take Dudi as his personal project to let him see how good he really is.

cobalt60
09-23-2007, 09:58 PM
Dudi grew up in Kiryat Shemona in the north of Israel, not far from where I grew up (my brother once lost to his older brother Ofer in straights :tape: ).

Kiryat Shemona, even for most Israelis, is known for its short distance from the Lebanese border and the Hizbulla missiles landing in its territory every now and then, and most of its residents have limited financial capabilities.

Dudi's family moved to Tel-Aviv with him to give him a shot at becoming a professional (he was one of the best in the world in juniors), but could not afford to make up for the modest (to say the least) financial support he's received from our tennis federation.

When people judge Noam Okun for what he said about women's tennis they should keep in mind its mainly frustration about the kind of opportunities a player like Shahar Peer, whose parents are very rich, has always had that he would never get.
Noam has talent, I watched him outplay Hewitt for large part of their 2002 USO match, but it was evident it was proper training and mental preparation he had lacked.

I hope one of those rich jews around the world will take Dudi as his personal project to let him see how good he really is.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6054710&post In preparation for Hubs' class we just learned about Dudi's humble background. Thanks for posting this.

ChinoRios4Ever
09-23-2007, 10:17 PM
congrats to Israel :yeah:

good luck in the WG!!!

over and over and over again... WE SUCK ON SPORTS!!!!!! :mad: (only a chilean top 10 can lose against a 105 rank player, but still well deserved to Sela and all the israelis fans)

World Beater
09-23-2007, 10:32 PM
Dudi grew up in Kiryat Shemona in the north of Israel, not far from where I grew up (my brother once lost to his older brother Ofer in straights :tape: ).

Kiryat Shemona, even for most Israelis, is known for its short distance from the Lebanese border and the Hizbulla missiles landing in its territory every now and then, and most of its residents have limited financial capabilities.

Dudi's family moved to Tel-Aviv with him to give him a shot at becoming a professional (he was one of the best in the world in juniors), but could not afford to make up for the modest (to say the least) financial support he's received from our tennis federation.

When people judge Noam Okun for what he said about women's tennis they should keep in mind its mainly frustration about the kind of opportunities a player like Shahar Peer, whose parents are very rich, has always had that he would never get.
Noam has talent, I watched him outplay Hewitt for large part of their 2002 USO match, but it was evident it was proper training and mental preparation he had lacked.

I hope one of those rich jews around the world will take Dudi as his personal project to let him see how good he really is.


thanks for the info :cool:

Deboogle!.
09-23-2007, 10:48 PM
Viva Chile :yeah: you've restored my faith in MTFhumanity :lol:

Rogiman thanks for that :)

scarecrows
09-23-2007, 10:56 PM
I hope one of those rich jews around the world will take Dudi as his personal project to let him see how good he really is.

and why have you called Sela 'one of the world's worst players'? :awww:

Rogiman
09-23-2007, 11:41 PM
and why have you called Sela 'one of the world's worst players'? :awww:There had been a lot of hype about him in the local press few years ago when he turned pro, and almost immediately he started playing (and losing) every possible future and challenger in the world's most exotic places...

At one point I seriously thought he should have learned another profession while he was still young because he wasn't returning his expenses and showed no signs of improving.

I'm glad to have been proven wrong, he has made a significant progress this year, but for the record: he's still far from making a living out of tennis.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
09-24-2007, 10:24 AM
Congrats Sela! :)

Action Jackson
09-24-2007, 10:31 AM
Dudi grew up in Kiryat Shemona in the north of Israel, not far from where I grew up (my brother once lost to his older brother Ofer in straights :tape: ).

Kiryat Shemona, even for most Israelis, is known for its short distance from the Lebanese border and the Hizbulla missiles landing in its territory every now and then, and most of its residents have limited financial capabilities.

Dudi's family moved to Tel-Aviv with him to give him a shot at becoming a professional (he was one of the best in the world in juniors), but could not afford to make up for the modest (to say the least) financial support he's received from our tennis federation.

When people judge Noam Okun for what he said about women's tennis they should keep in mind its mainly frustration about the kind of opportunities a player like Shahar Peer, whose parents are very rich, has always had that he would never get.
Noam has talent, I watched him outplay Hewitt for large part of their 2002 USO match, but it was evident it was proper training and mental preparation he had lacked.

I hope one of those rich jews around the world will take Dudi as his personal project to let him see how good he really is.

Thanks for background info on Dudi, he can still make something of his career, look at many of the players who have broken through late in their career and have made the top 100 for example Gicquel, Russell and Luczak ( not rich guys, well the last 2 aren't) , it's not a stretch to say he can do that.

Too bad he isn't that good on clay, cause he could play Bundesliga in Germany and get a lot of cash playing there.

Archer16
09-24-2007, 04:44 PM
What's with all this crazy sela played like a top 5 top 10 player? If he would of played the same level against Federer it would of been 2 2 and 2 for Feds. It has a lot to do with who is across the net and of course a lot of players can look like top players when they are getting short balls all day to hammer.
Have you seen the match? Federer can beat a top 10 player 2 2 and 2, he's not comparable to anything.

Classy thread, noble in defeat. There are a few guys in the match's thread that could have learned something from Viva Chile.

ReturnWinner
09-24-2007, 04:54 PM
I watched the match a little and I agree Sela played very well but as a top 5 player?? no way
I'm so sad at this moment, but the thing this guy has done have no words to me. Sela played top 5 level incredibly. Gonzo not played bad, but what this guy has done is speechless :eek:

Chileans, don't worry... we'll be in WG again in 2009 :hug:

EDIT: And thanks so much Feña for all the effort :hug:

Byrd
09-24-2007, 05:09 PM
Don't bother justifying Gonzales' loss, the guys a bum, I wouldn't be surprised if someone takes a photo of him in 5 years time with a bottle of tequila in his hand passed out in a middle of the street, total joke.

NicoFan
09-25-2007, 01:24 PM
When people judge Noam Okun for what he said about women's tennis they should keep in mind its mainly frustration about the kind of opportunities a player like Shahar Peer, whose parents are very rich, has always had that he would never get.

Rogiman, I have to take exception to this comment.

Okun not only has to apologize to Peer as has been suggested but to women as a whole.

I know women's history - that's my field (women's studies in British and American literature). And I can assure you that Okun's comments are unacceptable. Women have long been "blamed" by men for the ills of the world ... and in this case, it appears that women are being blamed for the problems of Israeli tennis.

Israel is a progressive country. I hope that some women's group in the country speaks up now that DC is over and condemns Okun's statements. In addition, I would seriously suggest that he take some type of women's studies course.

Before the tie, for various reasons, I didn't really care who won. But after Okun's statements, I have to admit that I wasn't thrilled over Israel's win (an understatement)...I don't want to see someone like Okun able to share in the joy of a DC victory.

People may criticize me for lumping Sela, Ram and Ehrlich in with Okun...but I didn't hear any of them stand up and condemn Okun's remarks. And that says a lot about their own characters.

If you think that I am overreacting, you don't understand women's history. And I would ask you: if someone made such inflammatory anti-Semitic remarks...blaming Jews for a particular problem...would you respond with calm? I highly doubt it, and I would agree that your anger would be completely justified. I believe in another thread about the tie there was an anti-Semitic remark, prompting an Israeli poster to write that they hoped Israel crushed Chile. Overreaction? No. It's merely a natural response to damaging and prejudiced remarks.

Chileno
09-25-2007, 01:39 PM
Sela :worship:

Very tough loss for our boys...

Sparko1030
09-25-2007, 02:52 PM
:hatoff: Sela, Amazing performance.


(I'm guessing what Israeli fans are feeling is similar to how the Chileans felt about the Olympics. :) )


:yeah: Viva Chile-kudos for showing us mtf'ers how to be truly classy.
Are you sure you belong here? ;) :lol:

shonami slam
09-25-2007, 03:09 PM
Dudi grew up in Kiryat Shemona in the north of Israel, not far from where I grew up (my brother once lost to his older brother Ofer in straights :tape: ).

Kiryat Shemona, even for most Israelis, is known for its short distance from the Lebanese border and the Hizbulla missiles landing in its territory every now and then, and most of its residents have limited financial capabilities.

Dudi's family moved to Tel-Aviv with him to give him a shot at becoming a professional (he was one of the best in the world in juniors), but could not afford to make up for the modest (to say the least) financial support he's received from our tennis federation.

When people judge Noam Okun for what he said about women's tennis they should keep in mind its mainly frustration about the kind of opportunities a player like Shahar Peer, whose parents are very rich, has always had that he would never get.
Noam has talent, I watched him outplay Hewitt for large part of their 2002 USO match, but it was evident it was proper training and mental preparation he had lacked.

I hope one of those rich jews around the world will take Dudi as his personal project to let him see how good he really is.

that's bullocks.

Dudi Sela is the most invested israeli junior, male or female, ever in the history of israeli sports.
he got into a bad deal as well, earlier on.

he is somewhat of a crybaby, whining about a few years ago that the country doesn't let him fulfill himself to the max.
Shahar pe'er, however more talented dudi us than she ever will be, constructed a very well planned investment plan with her father.
she returned the investment within two and a half years on tour (with her first grand slam QF she was already earning from tennis).

i don't want anyone to imbrace and help him financially. he's a lousy business man, and the best way he can make money now is by winning.
if someone will throw money at him - he'll simply waste his time again.

the israeli posters on world forums once again fill up the boards with half-facts and excuses.
he can take this chance and start winning, that's all there is to it.

cobalt60
09-25-2007, 11:03 PM
Too bad that this very nice classy thread was derailed a bit.
Viva "Viva Chile" ;) :hatoff:

Fee
09-26-2007, 02:10 AM
that's bullocks.

Dudi Sela is the most invested israeli junior, male or female, ever in the history of israeli sports.
he got into a bad deal as well, earlier on.

he is somewhat of a crybaby, whining about a few years ago that the country doesn't let him fulfill himself to the max.
Shahar pe'er, however more talented dudi us than she ever will be, constructed a very well planned investment plan with her father.
she returned the investment within two and a half years on tour (with her first grand slam QF she was already earning from tennis).

i don't want anyone to imbrace and help him financially. he's a lousy business man, and the best way he can make money now is by winning.
if someone will throw money at him - he'll simply waste his time again.

the israeli posters on world forums once again fill up the boards with half-facts and excuses.
he can take this chance and start winning, that's all there is to it.


Of course he's a lousy businessman, he's just had his 22nd birthday. What tennis players do you know of that are great businessmen? Especially at that age? Did he go to college? How on earth was he supposed to get a business education if he's been focusing on tennisTENNIStennisTENNIStennis since he was a pre-teen? The business end of tennis is usually handled by parents, managers, agents, lawyers, whatever. Do you believe that Andy Roddick called up LaCoste and negotiated his own clothing contract because he's such a great business man?

My personal experience with Dudi is that he has grown immensely in the last two years and he would be worth every penny that anyone would invest in him to further his career. If I could do it myself I would not hesitate.

shonami slam
09-26-2007, 09:52 AM
ligitimate point - want to waste money, do it.
i'm just saying the israeli tennis federation and the national sport commities shouldn't bend to the patriotic cries because of his DC wins. it's an individual sport and he shouldn't get further financial help due to his disrespect, his lousy attitude and his miserable training.

Fee
09-26-2007, 06:39 PM
Could you provide more specific examples of his disrespect, his lousy attitude and his miserable training? Thanks.

NicoFan
09-26-2007, 09:07 PM
These guys have a lot of financial worries...it's tough being a tennis player. So I don't think that whining about his backing makes him a bad person. And he's young, and it's difficult to deal with all that at such a young age. I know that a lot of the guys feel all alone out there at times.

And I think that he more than made up for it with his two wins last week.

Again...Okun's comments are the thing that needs attention. :(

Corey Feldman
09-26-2007, 09:59 PM
nice title viva chile

but defeats the purpose a bit when you are blowing your own trumpet :p

shonami slam
09-26-2007, 10:20 PM
Could you provide more specific examples of his disrespect, his lousy attitude and his miserable training? Thanks.

after troubling marat safin in the aussie open (i think, i don't follow men's tennis as much) he went on a long rant about how the israeli federation neglected him, and that he should be valued as a member of the "diamond status" sportsmen and woman (alot of money for sportspeople here that attain olympic qualification status).
alot of people than had talkbacks at him (former coach, the head of the israeli federation and others, i really don't remember specificly) and they explained that his lack of determination, his laziness at training and his filth against the federation are what cut him off of the aiding budgets.
he is a bad mouth, that's a sure thing. not always as a bad thing - but he should learn some respect. while the davis cup team looked all happy and chirpy - they had a very long time that they all had trouble with each other, with the union, with the head coach of the davis cup team and what not.
they are all friendly now because they won - had they lost in early stages as they usually do, and they would have been bitter again, each for thier own reasons.

i mean, like someone here said - fouling it out against the women because there were 4 (!!) higher ranked females than the top male at some point, isn't very appriciative, supporting and polite. (i'm referring to Okun here, btw).
what can i say, they are an envious bunch, and i hope our newer generation, even without as many results, can at least be proud of themselves, and have a bit of self-dignity.

Burrow
09-27-2007, 01:07 AM
It's hardly classy if you are bragging about how classy you are being.

GlennMirnyi
09-27-2007, 01:26 AM
Chilean and class in the same sentence is absurd.

Byrd
09-27-2007, 01:30 AM
Chilean and class in the same sentence is absurd.

I agree mate, I think this link goes a long way to proving your point.

http://img46.exs.cx/img46/3029/massu1.jpg

GlennMirnyi
09-27-2007, 02:08 AM
I agree mate, I think this link goes a long way to proving your point.

http://img46.exs.cx/img46/3029/massu1.jpg

:eek:

Scary!

Corey Feldman
09-27-2007, 02:36 AM
:lol: Massu looks like the Predator when it takes of its mask to fight Schwarzenegger.

Albop
09-27-2007, 02:44 AM
I agree mate, I think this link goes a long way to proving your point.

http://img46.exs.cx/img46/3029/massu1.jpg

:scared:

*Viva Chile*
09-27-2007, 03:23 AM
Chilean and class in the same sentence is absurd.

I don't want to comment this sentence so much, but I have to say that you're crossing the line with this one... it's insulting.

FelipeMIA89
09-27-2007, 04:08 AM
Dude you have no class with all this bashing.. where are you trying to get with all this?? you are getting nowhere buddy.. :)

Chilean and class in the same sentence is absurd.

+alonso
09-27-2007, 04:12 AM
Admins.
Close this please!!!!!! I think it is enough with this non-sense bashing!
I think it is allright when someone want to point out the stupidity of someone else and make it look dumb with its own shit but there's a time when you do cross the line from being sharp to being disrespectful.
Besides, I think Chilean don't have to contribute in this. It'll be even more of a mess.

GlennMirnyi
09-27-2007, 04:21 AM
I don't want to comment this sentence so much, but I have to say that you're crossing the line with this one... it's insulting.

Dude you have no class with all this bashing.. where are you trying to get with all this?? you are getting nowhere buddy.. :)

It's not insulting, it's the truth. You have to brag about even when you're trying to be "classy". That's so freaking not classy.

ChinoRios4Ever
09-27-2007, 04:21 AM
Admins.
Close this please!!!!!! I think it is enough with this non-sense bashing!
I think it is allright when someone want to point out the stupidity of someone else and make it look dumb with its own shit but there's a time when you do cross the line from being sharp to being disrespectful.
Besides, I think Chilean don't have to contribute in this. It'll be even more of a mess.

agree :yeah:

dumbers are on full force right into the ACC contest