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tangerine_dream
11-28-2007, 04:21 PM
Yes, and acting in the same ridiculous American action hero way each time. GWH doesn't hate America, you just hate anyone who isn't praising the stars and stripes 24/7.
Hardly. Quit picking up GWH's bad habits and learn to think for yourself.

Tangy is saving us from evil. She knows as much about what my views are, as Gaudio knows about grasscourt tennis.
Keep hiding behind CA and running away from the argument, just like you always do when you're wrong George. :kiss:

Fumus
11-28-2007, 04:23 PM
Oh and I forgot to ask, for the record GWH...who do you have winning this tie?

I have the USA 3-2.

stebs
11-28-2007, 06:10 PM
Hardly. Quit picking up GWH's bad habits and learn to think for yourself.

I can think for myself and what I think when I see your posts is that you are an insanely ignorant xenophobic clown. as for habits well anything which puts you in your place is a good habit in my books and no surprise that you attack me instead of adressing the isssue when it's clear you cannot handle any criticism directed at the USA.

kaylee
11-28-2007, 06:19 PM
Why do we need to criticise the US at all? Why don't we let these two countries settle it on the tennis court. We are "discuss" all we want but what it boils down to is who brings their "A" game on the day.

People don't like their countries criticised, Stebs I see you are from England, I have heard many a derogitory things directed at your country and I doubt if you would like it. Also calling posters names is hardly contructive is it?

Bring on the tennis.

Fumus
11-28-2007, 07:07 PM
Why do we need to criticise the US at all? Why don't we let these two countries settle it on the tennis court. We are "discuss" all we want but what it boils down to is who brings their "A" game on the day.

People don't like their countries criticised, Stebs I see you are from England, I have heard many a derogitory things directed at your country and I doubt if you would like it. Also calling posters names is hardly contructive is it?

Bring on the tennis.

I say nay, bring on the beer...then the tennis.

R.Federer
11-28-2007, 08:02 PM
Russia 5-0 http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/mtf/images2007/polls/bar1-l.gifhttp://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/mtf/images2007/polls/bar1.gifhttp://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/mtf/images2007/polls/bar1-r.gif Escude (http://www.menstennisforums.com/member.php?u=4359), Jerry Seinfeld (http://www.menstennisforums.com/member.php?u=8296)

The poll is about who will win. Not who do you want to win. :lol: Lolz at the 2 of you

nytrainer
11-28-2007, 08:34 PM
USA 3-2 and hopefully there will be some good tennis.

Black Adam
11-28-2007, 08:51 PM
It's almost as if GWH can't believe that USA actually have a great chance of winning DC. You are trying hard to believe that's it hasn't happened that they are in a home final and that it's not going to happen that they will take DC number 32. Remember earlier this year when Fumus and I predicted that USA would win and you kept producing these gems on how the USA weren't gonna advance and even when things were looking bright you still came up with stuff to convince yourself that there was no way USA would win.

Let's refresh your memory on some of your comments that are now quite entertaining.
Considering that all the Czechs can play on this surface and Berdych won't lose his 2 matches, they could use Hajek as the number 2 in singles and win.
Who is exaggerating? It's simple really this current generation of Yanks are crap on clay and this has been proven countless times already.

How about thinking about the respective match ups against each other and yeah Roddick has lost to such clay giants as Sargsian and Arthurs.

How are the balls going to fly through the air? They are not playing at 1600m above sea level, that it's not going to be a factor. Roddick couldn't beat Tursunov on clay, what does that tell you, when the Russians put their worst player on clay and he defeats allegedly the best American?

As I said it doesn't matter they could use Hajek or bring Jiri out of retirement and they will win. Keep on overrating the Americans on clay.
Stepanek what a guy letting his country down and Hajek having illness issues, but even then the Yanks struggle on very slow clay and this court in Ostrava will get the extra water the night before as well.

Enough said. You simply don't like Team USA. Fair enough but enough with all the wishful thinking. USA are huge favorites. accept it man.

Merton
11-28-2007, 10:14 PM
Current odds at betfair give Russia at 4:1, so the implied probability of Russia winning the DC is 25%. It seems to me that their best chance would be to try taking a 2-0 lead after the first day, using Tursunov or Andreev against Andy. It will be interesting to see what Tarpi does.

stebs
11-28-2007, 10:36 PM
People don't like their countries criticised, Stebs I see you are from England, I have heard many a derogitory things directed at your country and I doubt if you would like it. Also calling posters names is hardly contructive is it?

Bring on the tennis.

What's it got to do with me? I didn't criticise America in any way.

gogogirl
11-28-2007, 11:43 PM
All,

Check out what Tarpi had to say about my main man Marat. ("This is our strongest team," Tarpischev said through an interpreter. "I think these guys play better than Marat, and he is not going to be here.")

What!? What is his record against the other Russians slated for action? I mean really!

Anyway, I don't like to predict who'll win usually - but I wish to go out on a limb and pick - USA - USA - USA! The crowd will 'mos 'def help - like Russia's crowd helped them.

http://msn.foxsports.com/tennis/story/7496950

"SHAKE - RATTLE AND ROLL THEM RUSSIANS" "USA - USA - USA"

Action Jackson
11-29-2007, 01:54 AM
It's almost as if GWH can't believe that USA actually have a great chance of winning DC. You are trying hard to believe that's it hasn't happened that they are in a home final and that it's not going to happen that they will take DC number 32. Remember earlier this year when Fumus and I predicted that USA would win and you kept producing these gems on how the USA weren't gonna advance and even when things were looking bright you still came up with stuff to convince yourself that there was no way USA would win.

Let's refresh your memory on some of your comments that are now quite entertaining.




Enough said. You simply don't like Team USA. Fair enough but enough with all the wishful thinking. USA are huge favorites. accept it man.

Proves what exactly? That all teams need to have the ability to take advantage of any breaks that go that way. The Yanks got a break when Stepanek didn't play and only a fool would suggest otherwise, but they got the job done and that's what counts.

What they haven't won a DC title for 12 years, it's not like they haven't had the cattle to do it before now isn't it?

Action Jackson
11-29-2007, 02:01 AM
I've made my point, several times already.

One thing if you can win in consistently hostile environments, doesn't that indicate that the crowd is less of a factor than against someone who has shown frailty or a lack of success in that area? If you can't see that, then the blinders need to come off. Facts are they playing their opponent and the ball not the crowd.

I have listened to what you have said and given counterexamples and you want to me to do it in point form, nah I didn't think so.

As for who will win, probably 3-1 to the Yanks, with the 5th match not being played, though Blake might want to play it to pad his DC record.

Action Jackson
11-29-2007, 02:06 AM
Keep hiding behind CA and running away from the argument, just like you always do when you're wrong George. :kiss:

Stop trolling. When you actually want a serious discussion, then let me know. Nah that won't be happening.

What argument is this? You are the clown that called me a Nazi, that alone shows your level. When have I said or supported any ethos of calls for the extermination of a group on racial grounds. I don't expect you to answer that.

Come on big mouth put it on the line. Do I hate my own country because I criticise it.

Fumus
11-29-2007, 02:20 PM
Remember earlier this year when Fumus and I predicted that USA would win and you kept producing these gems on how the USA weren't gonna advance and even when things were looking bright you still came up with stuff to convince yourself that there was no way USA would win.


I remember! :)

One thing if you can win in consistently hostile environments, doesn't that indicate that the crowd is less of a factor than against someone who has shown frailty or a lack of success in that area? If you can't see that, then the blinders need to come off. Facts are they playing their opponent and the ball not the crowd.

I have listened to what you have said and given counterexamples and you want to me to do it in point form, nah I didn't think so.

As for who will win, probably 3-1 to the Yanks, with the 5th match not being played, though Blake might want to play it to pad his DC record.

Ok...as promised. A snippet from "If your into it" by the Flight of the Concords.

Bret:
And then maybe later
we'll get hot by the refridgerator
In the kitchen next to the pantry
You think that might be what you fancy

Jermaine:
In the buff being rude
Doin stuff with the food
Getting lude with his food
We heard thats what you are into

Bret:
And then on our next date
Well you could bring your roommate
I dont know if Stu is keen too
But if you want we could double tea you

Jermaine:
How bout you and 2 dude
Him you and Stu in the nude
Bein lude with 2 dudes with food
Well thats if Stus into it to

I think that accurately responds to your points in the first paragraph. You've insisted I mean something that I don't. Home crowd will always be an advantage, and you know this. ;)

In response to your choice, it looks you also have the USA as a strong favorite. Shocking!! :eek: :eek: But honestly, can you list your reasons for picking the US over Russia? I mean, are they so different from mine? If you have US as a favorite as well, why argue with me about USA being the favorite? :confused:

Action Jackson
11-29-2007, 02:32 PM
I think that accurately responds to your points in the first paragraph. You've insisted I mean something that I don't. Home crowd will always be an advantage, and you know this. ;)

In response to your choice, it looks you also have the USA as a strong favorite. Shocking!! :eek: :eek: But honestly, can you list your reasons for picking the US over Russia? I mean, are they so different from mine? If you have US as a favorite as well, why argue with me about USA being the favorite? :confused:

Home crowds can be negated and this has been proven over time and the US did that what twice this year even and the last time they won Davis Cup. Facts whether you like or not.

You wanted an answer and I gave you one. You think the Yanks are raging hot favourites and I don't, that is clear enough, this does not mean I don't think they will be a cakewalk like you seem to. It's not like I know what the Russian line is up is going to be.

Russians for them to win would have to play Roddick vs Tursunov and Blake/Youzhny on Day 1. The Bryans aren't going to lose, it's possible not very likely. Blake coming through in a live 5th match that would be fun, though Tursunov is a better match than what Andreev has shown, but Davis Cup does funny things.

Is probably a definite answer?

Fumus
11-29-2007, 04:51 PM
Home crowds can be negated and this has been proven over time and the US did that what twice this year even and the last time they won Davis Cup. Facts whether you like or not.

You wanted an answer and I gave you one. You think the Yanks are raging hot favourites and I don't, that is clear enough, this does not mean I don't think they will be a cakewalk like you seem to. It's not like I know what the Russian line is up is going to be.

Russians for them to win would have to play Roddick vs Tursunov and Blake/Youzhny on Day 1. The Bryans aren't going to lose, it's possible not very likely. Blake coming through in a live 5th match that would be fun, though Tursunov is a better match than what Andreev has shown, but Davis Cup does funny things.

Is probably a definite answer?

Lolz, so you continue with the I think it's going to be a cakewalk thing. I should post more FOTC lyrics. C'mon they are strong favorites, that's a fact . Lets not be silly and start pretending that I said things that I didn't, like for instance that the US is going to win easy.

I don't need to know what the Russian's have to do to win. I am asking you why you think the US will win, that is to say in what areas is the US better? Doubles aside. What does the US have going for it, so that you would pick them to win?

Fumus
11-29-2007, 07:54 PM
The OOP is out...and it's probably the toughest team that Russia could have crafted. My only question is, wtf is with the doubles? Andreev and Davydenko, I know anything can happen but wouldn't you want to have Youzhny and Tursonov?

Also I fully expect Tarpi to switch out Youzhny with Andreev.

The draw:

Andy Roddick (USA) v Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)
James Blake (USA) v Mikhail Youzhny (RUS)
Bob/Mike Bryan (USA) v Igor Andreev/Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)
Andy Roddick (USA) v Mikhail Youzhny (RUS)
James Blake (USA) v Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)

http://www.daviscup.com/news/newsart...rticleid=14399

tangerine_dream
11-29-2007, 08:18 PM
Stop trolling. When you actually want a serious discussion, then let me know. Nah that won't be happening.
I wasn't trolling. I was merely calling you out because instead of having an actual discussion with me you go and post your little Captain America. Let me know when you can have an adult conversation without trying to mock me.

Do I hate my own country because I criticise it.
What in the heck does this have to do with anything? I hate GWBush. I still love my country. Next? :confused:

You know what, don't bother answering because this conversation is getting boring and pointless and going in circles. Moving on....

Here's the draw:

Andy Roddick (USA) v Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)
James Blake (USA) v Mikhail Youzhny (RUS)
Bob/Mike Bryan (USA) v Igor Andreev/Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)
Andy Roddick (USA) v Mikhail Youzhny (RUS)
James Blake (USA) v Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)

So good luck to our boys. They've been dreaming of this moment for a long time. I sure do hope they can do it. :banana:

TheBoiledEgg
11-29-2007, 08:21 PM
damn i wanted Blake to go up 1st :fiery:
Misha will just have to play him off the court.

c'mon Dima & Misha

rototito
11-29-2007, 08:21 PM
Friday, November 30, 2007
Singles
Andy Roddick (USA) def. Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)
James Blake (USA) def. Mikhail Youzhny (RUS)

Saturday, December 1, 2007
Doubles
Bob Bryan/Mike Bryan (USA) def. Igor Andreev/Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)

Sunday, December 2, 2007
Reverse singles
Andy Roddick (USA) def. Mikhail Youzhny (RUS)
James Blake (USA) lost Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)

USA def RUS 4-1

kaylee
11-29-2007, 08:25 PM
Not going to happen Dima is going down!

DrJules
11-29-2007, 08:44 PM
This tie is almost as predictable as a Federer vs. Roddick match.

Hard to see USA not winning. Roddick does not have to beat a Federer, Djokovic, Ferrer or Nalbandian against whom he would be lucky to win even a set. Tursunov and Youzhny are not players of that level and I expect Roddick to beat both if he plays year end masters level.

tangerine_dream
11-29-2007, 08:50 PM
Hard to see USA not winning. Roddick does not have to beat a Federer, Djokovic, Ferrer or Nalbandian against whom he would be lucky to win even a set. Tursunov and Youzhny are not players of that level and I expect Roddick to beat both if he plays year end masters level.
You're right. All Andy has to do is try to beat the same team that beat him in the semis last year. What a bunch of clowns, huh?

Unlike the Russians, the Americans can't depend on putting their opponents on their weakest surface because the Russians don't have one.

DrJules
11-29-2007, 09:06 PM
You're right. All Andy has to do is try to beat the same team that beat him in the semis last year. What a bunch of clowns, huh?

Unlike the Russians, the Americans can't depend on putting their opponents on their weakest surface because the Russians don't have one.

The situation and conditions are totally different this year.

Merton
11-29-2007, 09:10 PM
You're right. All Andy has to do is try to beat the same team that beat him in the semis last year. What a bunch of clowns, huh?

Unlike the Russians, the Americans can't depend on putting their opponents on their weakest surface because the Russians don't have one.

It is clearly grass, but that means they would have to go to Hawai at this time of year to hold the tie outdoors, so $$$$ imply that they would go for the next best alternative, which they did.

mangoes
11-29-2007, 09:50 PM
This tie is almost as predictable as a Federer vs. Roddick match.

Hard to see USA not winning. Roddick does not have to beat a Federer, Djokovic, Ferrer or Nalbandian against whom he would be lucky to win even a set. Tursunov and Youzhny are not players of that level and I expect Roddick to beat both if he plays year end masters level.

It good that you see this as a walk in the park. I don't. This is still a very stong team minus Marat. What happens if Dima gets into one of his "hitting all the lines" zones?? Do you think a rowdy crowd will affect Youzhny all that much??

This is not a done deal for the US. I'm actually nervous for us. When I considered the toughest combination the Russians could offer up, I thought of Youzhny and Dima for singles with Igor sitting in the background should anything happen to one of them. The Russians have followed the worst script they could offer the US.

So, let's not get ahead of ourselves and say 'it's in the bag' for the US. I think we're at 60:40 USA..........the 10 for home court advantage tipped the scales.

DrJules
11-29-2007, 09:58 PM
It good that you see this as a walk in the park. I don't. This is still a very stong team minus Marat. What happens if Dima gets into one of his "hitting all the lines" zones?? Do you think a rowdy crowd will affect Youzhny all that much??

This is not a done deal for the US. I'm actually nervous for us. When I considered the toughest combination the Russians could offer up, I thought of Youzhny and Dima for singles with Igor sitting in the background should anything happen to one of them. The Russians have followed the worst script they could offer the US.

So, let's not get ahead of ourselves and say 'it's in the bag' for the US. I think we're at 60:40 USA..........the 10 for home court advantage tipped the scales.

Roddick has not lost in the USA to either Tursunov (leads 2-1) or Youzhny (leads 3-2); 3 of the wins being in the USA. Blake could help make the tie interesting by losing.

RickDaStick
11-29-2007, 10:26 PM
Tursunov will clown the one trick pony tomorrow. I also would be shocked if James the Mug beat Youzhny.

mangoes
11-29-2007, 10:26 PM
Roddick has not lost in the USA to either Tursunov (leads 2-1) or Youzhny (leads 3-2); 3 of the wins being in the USA. Blake could help make the tie interesting by losing.

Unfortunately, I'm not one that solely bases my picks for W/L on this theory. I consider more variables. I want Andy and James to win tomorrow. However, let's consider the worst case scenario. Tursunov starts strong silencing the crowd a couple of degrees. He grows confident knowing he beat Andy in their last DC meeting. He starts hitting the lines. Thing will get very hard for Andy. With James, it'll be by far easier. All Youzhny has to do is start strong, take it to James, and Jame will crumble like blue cheese.....especially when the doubts enter his mind over his DC record.

marcRD
11-29-2007, 10:39 PM
I have already made my bet. 4.5 times the money is great odds for Russia, so I threw in all 1200 dollars profit I have made this year on Russia. I think there are things people need to take into consideration, things like the current form of players and nerves. We are talking about Blake ofcourse, he is not in a good form, neither Tursonov or Youzhny are great matchups for him and his nerves have let him down over and over again when there is pressure on him. I think it will end 0-2 for Blake. Doubles is in the bag for USA and Roddick will be the favorite in both his matches, BUT Andreev, Youzhny and Tursonov are all capable of pulling the upset. I like the odds, USA is favorite but they dont have the options Russia has if one of their players get the flu or is playing really bad. They pretty much rely on only Roddick by now and I dont think he is that good to do the one-man show.

I wonder if the crowd will do more effect on Blakes nerves than the russians?

ryan23
11-29-2007, 10:43 PM
As long as no USA players are posioned i go for usa

goldenlox
11-29-2007, 10:49 PM
Tursunov played a close match with Roddick on grass and beat him on clay.
He needs to win this.

avocadoe
11-29-2007, 11:15 PM
I think they'll be a 1-1 split tomorrow, most likely Andy wins, and James doesn't, but James has a better chance of winning if Andy does, or does he. Maybe if Andy lost, he'd step up. Oh we'll have to see. Both m,atches should be competitive and exciting. Of course if Andy and James win, it's basically all over. I'm staying with USA 4-1...though I love live fifth rubbers :)

Greenday
11-29-2007, 11:16 PM
Andy needs to win both of his matches....u never know with James......if andy loses one of his matches, then its a coin flip.......

gogogirl
11-29-2007, 11:43 PM
Hey All,

I still can't get over Tarpi dissing Marat. Didn't Marat sweep Andy in three sets last year? I mean - he cleaned his clock. I mean really! Marat has a 3-0 lead over Youzy.

Anyhoops, I just hit up this thread and haven't checked the draw as of yet.

I'm hoping James does step it up. Let me just say this. If James serves as well as he did for the most part during his last three tourneys of the summer, he should take his matches. Here's hoping his coach had him practicing his serve. I've always been of the mind that practicing groundstrokes is a waste. Practice that doggone serve - I always say - mates.

"C'MON ANDY - J.B. AND THE BB'S" "YOU ALL CAN STOMP THE RUSSIANS THAT CAME"

gogogirl
11-29-2007, 11:54 PM
All,

My bad. I meant the tourneys before James' US Open run. He made three finals and won one.

shotgun
11-30-2007, 12:32 AM
The opening match, Roddick-Tursunov, will be the key of this tie.

Voo de Mar
11-30-2007, 01:55 AM
22nd November

I had a dream last night - USA won 3-1. On the first day Roddick lost an epic five-setter, then Blake won his match 6-4 6-2 7-6. Second point for USA after The Bryans win and Roddick gives deciding win on Sunday.
;)

Like in my dream - Roddick plays as a first one. He can give also third and deciding point like in my dream because he plays first match on Sunday :aplot: Is it possible to lose second year in a row five-set epic to Tursunov? :scratch:

Action Jackson
11-30-2007, 03:06 AM
Lolz, so you continue with the I think it's going to be a cakewalk thing. I should post more FOTC lyrics. C'mon they are strong favorites, that's a fact . Lets not be silly and start pretending that I said things that I didn't, like for instance that the US is going to win easy.

I don't need to know what the Russian's have to do to win. I am asking you why you think the US will win, that is to say in what areas is the US better? Doubles aside. What does the US have going for it, so that you would pick them to win?

You continue to overrate the home factor. Facts players win matches and not crowds, deal with it.

Actually I have put money on the Russians, but the fact Roddick is playing first helps the Americans, as he is the guy most likely to get the 2 wins needed, though Tursunov has never lost a singles match in DC and the only two he has played have been huge matches.

Turquoise
11-30-2007, 05:04 AM
Good luck Russia!

Jimnik
11-30-2007, 12:24 PM
I expect the unexpected. :p

Tursunov will upset Roddick in another 5 setter (though not quite as dramatic as Moscow) and then Blake will upset Youzhny. Then Mike Bryan will retire with a foot injury and Roddick will team up with Bob Bryan and get the important doubles win over Youzhny and Tursunov. Then in the 4th match, Roddick will retire from exhaustion against Andreev and it will be Blake vs Tursunov to decide the tie. Blake will come-back from two sets down and win a dramatic final set 18-16 as the home crowd blows the roof away.

You heard it here first. ;)

Fumus
11-30-2007, 01:57 PM
You continue to overrate the home factor. Facts players win matches and not crowds, deal with it.

Actually I have put money on the Russians, but the fact Roddick is playing first helps the Americans, as he is the guy most likely to get the 2 wins needed, though Tursunov has never lost a singles match in DC and the only two he has played have been huge matches.

Fact, crowds effect matches.


As for who will win, probably 3-1 to the Yanks, with the 5th match not being played, though Blake might want to play it to pad his DC record.

Make up your mind George!

Clara Bow
11-30-2007, 02:02 PM
I still can't get over Tarpi dissing Marat. Didn't Marat sweep Andy in three sets last year? I mean - he cleaned his clock. I mean really! Marat has a 3-0 lead over Youzy.

If my understanding is correct- it is Marat who took himself out of contention when he announced earlier in the year that he was done for the rest of 2007 - including DC. So Tarpi didn't diss Marat as Marat was never an option.

I will be shocked if the US doesn't win this. If not now- when?

Corey Feldman
11-30-2007, 02:14 PM
This is gonna be the biggest beat down Russia have gave U.S.A since Ivan Drago killed Apollo Creed in Rocky IV...

and there will be no Rocky to avenge it.

Fumus
11-30-2007, 02:22 PM
If my understanding is correct- it is Marat who took himself out of contention when he announced earlier in the year that he was done for the rest of 2007 - including DC. So Tarpi didn't diss Marat as Marat was never an option.

I will be shocked if the US doesn't win this. If not now- when?

2012

Young
Demico
Isner
Querry

Stensland
11-30-2007, 02:24 PM
the states will have won this one by tomorrow. no davydenko, no trophy.

Merton
11-30-2007, 03:47 PM
2012

Young
Demico
Isner
Querry

A team widely expected to crush the opposition on clay ties away from home.

Merton
11-30-2007, 03:48 PM
I expect the unexpected. :p

Tursunov will upset Roddick in another 5 setter (though not quite as dramatic as Moscow) and then Blake will upset Youzhny. Then Mike Bryan will retire with a foot injury and Roddick will team up with Bob Bryan and get the important doubles win over Youzhny and Tursunov. Then in the 4th match, Roddick will retire from exhaustion against Andreev and it will be Blake vs Tursunov to decide the tie. Blake will come-back from two sets down and win a dramatic final set 18-16 as the home crowd blows the roof away.

You heard it here first. ;)

Imagine the Hollywood movies if such a thing happened :D

tangerine_dream
11-30-2007, 03:57 PM
How pathetic is it that the No. 1 Russian singles player got benched for all the singles matches?

gogogirl
11-30-2007, 04:24 PM
If my understanding is correct- it is Marat who took himself out of contention when he announced earlier in the year that he was done for the rest of 2007 - including DC. So Tarpi didn't diss Marat as Marat was never an option.

I will be shocked if the US doesn't win this. If not now- when?

Hey All,

Clara - I hear 'ya. The diss I was speaking of was his saying that all of the other players play better than Marat. The quote was in the article I posted a few pages back. To me that stunk, because when Marat beat Andy last year, he was the hero for a minute. He won 6-4, 6-3, 7-6(5) and played one of the best matches of his life - IMO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marat_Safin

mer
11-30-2007, 04:33 PM
Hey All,

Clara - I hear 'ya. The diss I was speaking of was his saying that all of the other players play better than Marat. The quote was in the article I posted a few pages back. To me that stunk, because when Marat beat Andy last year, he was the hero for a minute. He won 6-4, 6-3, 7-6(5) and played one of the best matches of his life - IMO.
:rolleyes: That match was on clay. And Tarpi meant that NOW the other guys play better than Marat which is obviously thrue.
THis was from Marat's OS
Marat decided that right now there are 4 better players than him who are in form and can make sure they play to the best of their ability for Russia
So, calm down. Really.

gogogirl
11-30-2007, 04:39 PM
:rolleyes: That match was on clay. And Tarpi meant that NOW the other guys play better than Marat which is obvoiously thrue. So, calm down. Really.
THis was from Marat's OS

All,

And who are you to tell me to calm down? I am calm, and I can have an opinion of what the man said just like you can. And he didn't say now! The point is in my estimation - if he felt that a way, he didn't have to say it to the American press after all Marat has given to the DC. I'd say Marat loves playing for his country just like they all do.

Granted, he isn't prepared to play for whatever reason, but if he was healthy and strong - who's to say he wouldn't beat Andy or James?

mer
11-30-2007, 04:41 PM
Granted, he isn't prepared to play for whatever reason, but if he was healthy and strong - who's to say he wouldn't beat Andy or James?
The point is that he is not fit and prepared to play Andy or James. That's why he's not on the team. You are overreacting.

gogogirl
11-30-2007, 04:44 PM
The point is that he is not fit and prepared to play Andy or James. That's why he's not on the team. And that was what Tarpi said. You are overreacting.

All,

Well - that is not how I read it. I only read the one article on why Marat is not on the squad - so naturally - I am basing MY OPINION from that piece. And again, it is my opinion that the man didn't mention in that piece that he wasn't fit nor prepared. He made a blanket statement that the others played better - period. He didn't preface it.

mer
11-30-2007, 04:48 PM
All,

Well - that is not how I read it. I only read the one article on why Marat is not on the squad - so naturally - I am basing MY OPINION from that piece. And again, it is my opinion that the man didn't mention in that piece that he wasn't fit nor prepared. He made a blanket statement that the others played better - period. He didn't preface it.
Tarpi didn't want to go into details and didn't want any further speculations on the issue. He wanted to cut all the questions. That's all. In all his other interviews he made it clear that it was up to Marat.

gogogirl
11-30-2007, 04:52 PM
Tarpi didn't want to go into details and didn't want any further speculations on the issue. He wanted to cut all the questions. That's all. In all his other interviews he made it clear that it was up to Marat.

All,

Ok?

Fumus
11-30-2007, 04:55 PM
How pathetic is it that the No. 1 Russian singles player got benched for all the singles matches?

How pathetic is Davydenko? Seriously, when was the last time he won a big match, oh that's right...never. Besides the fact that Davydenko has the tendency to get tighter than a boy scout knot on big occasions, he just doesn't matchup well with Andy and James! Davydenko might be the laughing stock of the top 10.

A team widely expected to crush the opposition on clay ties away from home.

You're talking about FO junior semi-finalist Kellen Damico!

Saumon
11-30-2007, 05:05 PM
gogogirl, can you please stop with the "All," in every single post? :banghead:

Thanks. :)

Fumus
11-30-2007, 05:09 PM
gogogirl, can you please stop with the "All," in every single post? :banghead:

Thanks. :)

I like it, actually. Ya see I like to know just the post is intended for, in this case...she letting everyone know that we are all free to read it. :D

Merton
11-30-2007, 06:12 PM
How pathetic is Davydenko? Seriously, when was the last time he won a big match, oh that's right...never. Besides the fact that Davydenko has the tendency to get tighter than a boy scout knot on big occasions, he just doesn't matchup well with Andy and James! Davydenko might be the laughing stock of the top 10.

It is entirely a matchup decision, indeed many posters here (including you :) )correctly predicted Tarpi's decision. From current top team DC captains only Emilio Sanchez would use Davydenko for single matches in this tie. :lol:


You're talking about FO junior semi-finalist Kellen Damico!

There is a great deal of uncertainty on how juniors progress but it is a very safe bet that US will be vulnerable as a team on clay ties away against the powerful clay houses. Actually I will predict that the team 5 years from now will be even more vulnerable than the current team.

marcRD
11-30-2007, 06:15 PM
How pathetic is it that the No. 1 Russian singles player got benched for all the singles matches?

Why is that pathetic? Isnt it more a sign of great depth and variation in the team, where you can sacrifice the best player when he doesnt matchup that good against his opponent? I mean what would USA do if Federer would play the USA? Would Mcenroe have the guts to even say no to his 2nd best player Blake if he thought someone like Ginepri or Isner would have a slightly better chanse?

Now USA is not at the same level of diversity of Russia, so anyone they would throw in would have no chanse against Argentinians and Spanish on clay or Federer anywhere. But I also think Mcenroe would be afraid to hurt the feelings of his little "megastar" Roddick, that is more pathetic than the Russians actually trying to matchup good opponents against the americans. Roddick and Blake seems to be getting the 4 spots all the time, even when Blake is constantly choking. There might be a lesser ranked player than Blake who is a greater davis cup player, so I would like to see Mcenroe gamble a little more.

Merton
11-30-2007, 06:25 PM
Why is that pathetic? Isnt it more a sign of great depth and variation in the team, where you can sacrifice the best player when he doesnt matchup that good against his opponent? I mean what would USA do if Federer would play the USA? Would Mcenroe have the guts to even say no to his 2nd best player Blake if he thought someone like Ginepri or Isner would have a slightly better chanse?

Now USA is not at the same level of diversity of Russia, so anyone they would throw in would have no chanse against Argentinians and Spanish on clay or Federer anywhere. But I also think Mcenroe would be afraid to hurt the feelings of his little "megastar" Roddick, that is more pathetic than the Russians actually trying to matchup good opponents against the americans. Roddick and Blake seems to be getting the 4 spots all the time, even when Blake is constantly choking. There might be a lesser ranked player than Blake who is a greater davis cup player, so I would like to see Mcenroe gamble a little more.

Once you have the Bryans in the team, the US has sacrificed flexibility in return for an almost guaranteed point in doubles. I can only think of the tie against the Czechs where one can make the case for James not being in the team but even then it didn't matter.

Fumus
11-30-2007, 06:26 PM
There is a great deal of uncertainty on how juniors progress but it is a very safe bet that US will be vulnerable as a team on clay ties away against the powerful clay houses. Actually I will predict that the team 5 years from now will be even more vulnerable than the current team.

Catch you in five! ;)

Why is that pathetic? Isnt it more a sign of great depth and variation in the team, where you can sacrifice the best player when he doesnt matchup that good against his opponent? I mean what would USA do if Federer would play the USA? Would Mcenroe have the guts to even say no to his 2nd best player Blake if he thought someone like Ginepri or Isner would have a slightly better chanse?

Now USA is not at the same level of diversity of Russia, so anyone they would throw in would have no chanse against Argentinians and Spanish on clay or Federer anywhere. But I also think Mcenroe would be afraid to hurt the feelings of his little "megastar" Roddick, that is more pathetic than the Russians actually trying to matchup good opponents against the americans. Roddick and Blake seems to be getting the 4 spots all the time, even when Blake is constantly choking. There might be a lesser ranked player than Blake who is a greater davis cup player, so I would like to see Mcenroe gamble a little more.

No it's pathetic...:D

kaylee
11-30-2007, 06:39 PM
Ryan likes debating...........

Fumus
11-30-2007, 06:43 PM
Ryan likes debating...........

If by debating you mean, dating playmates and buying expensive cars...than yes.

kaylee
11-30-2007, 06:51 PM
hahahahhahaha hmmm darn it well that rules me out then! Nah I was being polite by debating I meant just plain errhmm "discussion"

Fumus
11-30-2007, 07:17 PM
hahahahhahaha hmmm darn it well that rules me out then! Nah I was being polite by debating I meant just plain errhmm "discussion"

discussion? what are you talking about?!?

This is an internet forum, we'll have none of that!

DrJules
12-01-2007, 09:50 PM
This tie is almost as predictable as a Federer vs. Roddick match.

Hard to see USA not winning. Roddick does not have to beat a Federer, Djokovic, Ferrer or Nalbandian against whom he would be lucky to win even a set. Tursunov and Youzhny are not players of that level and I expect Roddick to beat both if he plays year end masters level.

You're right. All Andy has to do is try to beat the same team that beat him in the semis last year. What a bunch of clowns, huh?

Unlike the Russians, the Americans can't depend on putting their opponents on their weakest surface because the Russians don't have one.

The situation and conditions are totally different this year.

It good that you see this as a walk in the park. I don't. This is still a very stong team minus Marat. What happens if Dima gets into one of his "hitting all the lines" zones?? Do you think a rowdy crowd will affect Youzhny all that much??

This is not a done deal for the US. I'm actually nervous for us. When I considered the toughest combination the Russians could offer up, I thought of Youzhny and Dima for singles with Igor sitting in the background should anything happen to one of them. The Russians have followed the worst script they could offer the US.

So, let's not get ahead of ourselves and say 'it's in the bag' for the US. I think we're at 60:40 USA..........the 10 for home court advantage tipped the scales.

Tursunov will clown the one trick pony tomorrow. I also would be shocked if James the Mug beat Youzhny.

Unfortunately, I'm not one that solely bases my picks for W/L on this theory. I consider more variables. I want Andy and James to win tomorrow. However, let's consider the worst case scenario. Tursunov starts strong silencing the crowd a couple of degrees. He grows confident knowing he beat Andy in their last DC meeting. He starts hitting the lines. Thing will get very hard for Andy. With James, it'll be by far easier. All Youzhny has to do is start strong, take it to James, and Jame will crumble like blue cheese.....especially when the doubts enter his mind over his DC record.

Anyway the one sided and predictable Davis Cup has come to an end.

Now I am waiting for my vcash:devil:

mangoes
12-01-2007, 09:58 PM
Anyway the one sided and predictable Davis Cup has come to an end.

Now I am waiting for my vcash:devil:

I am more than happy to be wrong:D

Fumus
12-01-2007, 10:15 PM
YEAAAA!!!

We did it!

The strong favorites prevail, how about the beer George?

Veronique
12-01-2007, 11:11 PM
Now, I want the useless debate between Fumus and PMK to resume. Let me hear it, boys!

Monteque
12-02-2007, 03:05 AM
The conclusion is 2 of the posters in the poll dont know anything about tennis. :haha:

ReturnWinner
12-02-2007, 03:16 AM
The conclusion is 2 of the posters in the poll dont know anything about tennis. :haha:

do you think you know very much? you did not know Madrid was played on indoor hard :lol: you thought it was played on carpet!!!!

Action Jackson
12-02-2007, 04:34 AM
Too good from the Yanks, like any team that has won the Davis Cup, there needs to be favourable circumstances for this happen, but these count for absolute shit if they aren't good enough to take advantage of them, which they did.

As for favourable circumstances well the Czechs not having Stepanek and the Swedes not having the Toad playing in their semis, this helped the American side, but as stated before, they did what a good team should do and take advantage of the situation, and get the job done.

Interesting to see what will happen to the team if Roddick has to miss a match, when they play a good side. The right team won the Davis Cup this season.

Jimnik
12-02-2007, 08:48 AM
USA def Czech 3-1
USA def Spain 3-0
USA def Sweden 3-1
USA def Russia 3-0

When was the last time a team won the Davis Cup without ever being taken to a 5th rubber?

Action Jackson
12-02-2007, 09:10 AM
USA def Czech 3-1
USA def Spain 3-0
USA def Sweden 3-1
USA def Russia 3-0

When was the last time a team won the Davis Cup without ever being taken to a 5th rubber?

Been done before and by much better teams.

Spain 2000

Italy 4-1
Russia 4-1
USA 5-0
Australia 3-1

Sweden 1984

Ecuador 4-1
Paraguay 4-1
Czechoslovakia 5-0 ( Lendl was in the team)
USA 4-1 ( Americans had McEnroe, Connors and Fleming)

Jimnik
12-02-2007, 09:12 AM
^^ Indeed, thanks.

I also just found on the DC website:

Australia in 2003
def Great Britain 3-0 on clay
def Sweden 3-0 indoors
def Switzerland 3-1 on hard
def Spain 3-1 on grass

Impressively they won ties on all surfaces.

avocadoe
12-02-2007, 11:31 AM
will the dead rubbers be played?

Jimnik
12-02-2007, 11:34 AM
Bob and Mike will demonstrate playing singles with a hangover.

leng jai
12-02-2007, 11:38 AM
Being hung over will help their singles game.