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Andreev def Kohlschreiber 6-3 3-6 6-0 6-3 to lead Russia into Davis Cup final

Action Jackson
09-23-2007, 03:10 PM
Congrats Igor, once again an excellent DC performance and continuing his dominance over Kohlschreiber in their matches.

Andreev's performances in Chile defeating Gonzalez has been the performance of the DC season and this is what the set the platform for another DC final for the Russians.

Off to the US to play indoors and I doubt the Americans are going to lay an indoor grass court.

Never in doubt for Igor.

TMJordan
09-23-2007, 03:11 PM
Never in doubt.

Kick some American ass, Russia.

TheBoiledEgg
09-23-2007, 03:12 PM
igor :banana: :yeah:

well done :) came up big again :yeah:

scarecrows
09-23-2007, 03:12 PM
GSM USA in the final

TMJordan
09-23-2007, 03:12 PM
Never in doubt.

Kick some American ass, Russia.

TheBoiledEgg
09-23-2007, 03:12 PM
igor :banana: :yeah:

well done :) came up big again :yeah:

the cat
09-23-2007, 03:16 PM
Well done to Andreev on another huge Davis Cup win. Igor has been Russia's most valuable Davis Cup player this year in advancing to the finals. :)

tennisgal_001
09-23-2007, 03:17 PM
Fantastic effort even with the absence of some big names and a few patchy performances by the team as a whole. :yeah:

Match stats (Notice the winners - UFEs/FEs ratio, :tape:)


http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/Jasmine1123/Capture.jpg

Psichogauchovna
09-23-2007, 03:17 PM
Igor :banana:

tcorinna
09-23-2007, 03:17 PM
:wavey:Very nice ... I'm so happy for Russian team and for Igor especially ... Congrats :worship:

BTW ... What was Marat Safin doing there:eek:? I mean ... shouldn't he have been on that mountain:eek:??

Action Jackson
09-23-2007, 03:19 PM
Fantastic effort even with the absence of some big names and a few patchy performances by the team as a whole. :yeah:

Match stats (Notice the winners - UFEs/FEs ratio, :tape:)


http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/Jasmine1123/Capture.jpg

What about the winners ratio? It means little on clay, when they are rallying trying to get the other player to make errors and the surface itself makes it harder to hit clean winners.

AnnaK_4ever
09-23-2007, 03:20 PM
:wavey:Very nice ... I'm so happy for Russian team and for Igor especially ... Congrats :worship:

BTW ... What was Marat Safin doing there:eek:? I mean ... shouldn't he have been on that mountain:eek:??

His climbing is over. It's rather old news.

Burrow
09-23-2007, 03:22 PM
Igor is a machine.

MCL
09-23-2007, 03:22 PM
:hatoff: Andreev and :bigclap: Russia :bigclap:


I wish I could have seen the Russia-Germany matches. Maybe Davis Cup coverage will improve in the future. Andreev did a great service for his team in winning the decisive match.

Now, I hope that Russia takes the cup home. :yeah:

tcorinna
09-23-2007, 03:23 PM
His climbing is over. It's rather old news.

:wavey:Really? I haven't heard about this:confused:... But why??:rolleyes: ...:confused:

Leen.
09-23-2007, 03:24 PM
argh, how disappointing.
but russia deserved the win - andreev and youzhny were the better players.
but if tommy would have played... :/

Ruski
09-23-2007, 03:24 PM
Igor... the key man to bring Russia to the final!!! *bounce*

TommyB.
09-23-2007, 03:26 PM
Congrats to Russia. Expected win but it was good performance from Germany.

knight_ley
09-23-2007, 03:27 PM
Thank you Andreev. ;) :yeah:

MariaV
09-23-2007, 03:29 PM
Congrats to Russia. Expected win but it was good performance from Germany.

Actually it was Germany's to win after the doubles but Kühnen & Co just blew it. pathetic from Thomas H, he'd need some Russian guts. ;)

bellascarlett
09-23-2007, 03:32 PM
:woohoo:

Igor! :yeah: Great job this weekend!

Good luck in the final! :)

AnnaK_4ever
09-23-2007, 03:37 PM
:wavey:Really? I haven't heard about this:confused:... But why??:rolleyes: ...:confused:

because of common sense. Real alpinists did realise he could kill himself.

Merton
09-23-2007, 04:06 PM
Congrats Russia, Igor was cluctch during the tie. Now my guess would be that the US will set up some slow indoors court, they are certainly the favourites but Russia has chances.

Eden
09-23-2007, 05:08 PM
Congrats to the Russian team and their fans for reaching the DC final again :yeah:

I was only able to see the match from the end of the 3rd set. Again an excellent performance from Andreev on clay.

Too bad that the Germans couldn't take the chance to reach the DC final, but it was a great year for the team and as Kühnen said afterwards it should hopefully help the German tennis for the future.

JMG
09-23-2007, 05:17 PM
Somehow I hope that Haas retires from Daviscup now. It would make the nominations in the future much easier.

If the play-off teams are all unseeded, then we have to avoid Serbia (away) and Czech (home) in the first round. That would be too tough.

Clara Bow
09-23-2007, 05:24 PM
:hatoff: Andreev and :bigclap: Russia :bigclap:


I wish I could have seen the Russia-Germany matches. Maybe Davis Cup coverage will improve in the future. Andreev did a great service for his team in winning the decisive match.

Now, I hope that Russia takes the cup home. :yeah:

The TTC carried it- so it is still your best bet in the US.

One thing I really like about the Russian DC team is that there are several players who have been stars of various ties. Makes them dangerous on a myriad of surfaces because there seem to be players who can step up.

Five
09-23-2007, 06:16 PM
Igor :yippee:

shotgun
09-23-2007, 06:22 PM
Expected, the Germans did their best but it was still not good enough. Andreev is quickly turning into a Davis Cup beast.

Looking good for the USA to win the Davis Cup.

Mechlan
09-23-2007, 07:05 PM
Congrats to the Russians and well done Igor. But the real winner here is the US.

Albop
09-23-2007, 07:07 PM
:banana:

well done igor

MCL
09-23-2007, 07:10 PM
The TTC carried it- so it is still your best bet in the US.

One thing I really like about the Russian DC team is that there are several players who have been stars of various ties. Makes them dangerous on a myriad of surfaces because there seem to be players who can step up.

Thanks for the info. I just don't feel like TTC is worth the money. :p I know that the US-Sweden matches were on Versus channel but you'd think PMac could encourage his network to air the US matches.

Bilbo
09-23-2007, 08:07 PM
expected win by andreev and expected win by russia

Jimnik
09-23-2007, 11:05 PM
If USA does go on to win, a lot of credit will have to go to Andreev who knocked out two of their most dangerous potential opponents. Chile and Germany would have played the final at home on clay.

ChinoRios4Ever
09-24-2007, 12:21 AM
congrats Russia :yeah:

hey "GIL"demeister: this is Igor Andreev for you :wavey:

Clara Bow
09-24-2007, 02:15 AM
Thanks for the info. I just don't feel like TTC is worth the money. :p I know that the US-Sweden matches were on Versus channel but you'd think PMac could encourage his network to air the US matches.


To each their own. :) I pay about $4 a month for a sports package that includes TTC, Fox Soccer Channel and some others. I love the coverage of the Masters events when they are on TTC :hearts:- that enough is worth it for me. Plus- you always get at least one DC cup tie that is not broadcast anywhere else . Plus you get semis plus of some smaller tournaments- such as BA, Barcelona, etc in addition to extended coverage at the French Open. Again- to each their own- but to me- what I do get to watch is worth the $. It is my understanding, however, that it can be a bit more pricey in other cities. We have been lucky here- we were one of the first cities to have it and it has always been cheap.

MCL
09-24-2007, 02:46 AM
To each their own. :) I pay about $4 a month for a sports package that includes TTC, Fox Soccer Channel and some others. I love the coverage of the Masters events when they are on TTC :hearts:- that enough is worth it for me. Plus- you always get at least one DC cup tie that is not broadcast anywhere else . Plus you get semis plus of some smaller tournaments- such as BA, Barcelona, etc in addition to extended coverage at the French Open. Again- to each their own- but to me- what I do get to watch is worth the $. It is my understanding, however, that it can be a bit more pricey in other cities. We have been lucky here- we were one of the first cities to have it and it has always been cheap.

:hatoff: point taken

Still, it would cost me much more than $4 more a month to get TTC. When I enter the workforce,if the tennis coverage situation is the same I'll fork over the cash. :)

ys
09-24-2007, 03:50 AM
His climbing is over. It's rather old news.

On the pictures that I saw of him today, it looked rather like he spent all this time drinking heavily rather than recreating..

Kolya
09-24-2007, 05:52 AM
Davai Andreev :yeah:

Neely
09-24-2007, 09:14 AM
Congrats to Russia! They were overall in the singles just too good. Youzhny was vulnerable, his experience edge pulled him through. But Andreev played a too high level in his matches and Kohlschreiber only would have had a better chance if he managed to finish his match on Friday earlier.

Germany went a good way and they introduced some new players to the team who contributed well. They sold themselves at a much higher price than almost everybody expected. And they went a good way to the semifinal.

{Annie}
09-24-2007, 09:17 AM
:woohoo:

I was there, cheered my lungs out :lol:

Great performance by Igor all weekend :yeah:

Well done boys :worship:

Turquoise
09-24-2007, 09:29 AM
Congratulations to the Russian team, especially Andreev who's been the real hero for Russia this year. Good luck against USA in the final.

Great fight by the German team. They played with heart, and that's what Davis Cup is all about. I was also impressed by the dignity and leadership spirit of their captain, Patrik Kuhnen.

Truc
09-24-2007, 11:39 AM
Actually it was Germany's to win after the doubles but Kühnen & Co just blew it. pathetic from Thomas H, he'd need some Russian guts. ;)You already said the same stuff after Russia beat France, "Forget handed the win to Russia" or something like that. ^^ The Russian team is just so much better that they can win without playing at their best, it never was Germany's to take, they had a "slim" chance at best. I don't know what you expected Kühnen to do exactly?

As for calling Haas "pathetic", you can't know for sure how he felt. Judging by his disastrous form on Friday, there was not much point to play if he was feeling even worse on Sunday (German media said he was sick and throwing up).
I'm not saying it's pure bad luck if his body regularly lets him down in this kind of situations, not at all, but if he was really ill, he wouldn't have won anyway, on clay, with his sore shoulder which was taped again on Friday. I can understand the decision.

German newspapers write today he is thinking about retiring from Davis Cup now, but the whole team hopes he will reconsider it. Waske said he doesn't have to play all the ties, for example if they are playing on clay in Peru, but they definitely need him if they play on hardcourt.

Truc
09-24-2007, 11:42 AM
And the other guys were great, I really enjoyed following this tie although I'm usually not a big fan of Kühnen, Kohli, Waske & Co.
Kohli has a good attitude for DC, even Kühnen had to smile when Kohli saved all these matchpoints in the last game when Andreev was serving for the match and leading 40-0. He's not constant enough, but he was pretty fun to watch.

MariaV
09-24-2007, 11:52 AM
You already said the same stuff after Russia beat France, "Forget handed the win to Russia" or something like that. ^^ The Russian team is so much better than they can win without playing at their best, it never was Germany's to take, they just had a "slim" chance at best. I don't know what you expected Kühnen to do exactly?

As for calling Haas "pathetic", you can't know for sure how he felt. Judging by his disastrous form on Friday, there was not much point to play if he was feeling even worse on Sunday (German media said he was sick and throwing up).
I'm not saying it's pure bad luck if his body regularly lets him down in this kind of situations, not at all, but if he was really ill, he wouldn't have won either, on clay, with his sore shoulder which was taped again on Friday.

German newspapers write today he is thinking about retiring from Davis Cup now, but the whole team hopes he will reconsider it. Waske said he doesn't have to play all the ties, for example if they are playing on clay in Peru, but they definitely need him if they play on hardcourt.

A "slim" chance after winning the doubles? Germany's chances were pretty good, a healthy Haas would've beaten that Youzhny on Sunday easily.

Yes I read about Tommy's stomach flu and throwing up all night and about the retirement thoughts, sorry for calling him 'pathetic', I didn't know it had been so serious. Of course I understand Kühnen didn't have any choice after Tommy's illness and Waske's injury, nobody's arguing with that, he seems to be a very good captain.
And of course the team needs Haas with his experience. Those injuries and stuff are way too frustrating but that's life.
Btw the tape on the shoulder is just a precaution.

MariaV
09-24-2007, 11:56 AM
And the other guys were great, I really enjoyed following this tie although I'm usually not a big fan of Kühnen, Kohli, Waske & Co.
Kohli has a good attitude for DC, even Kühnen had to smile when Kohli saved all these matchpoints in the last game when Andreev was serving for the match and leading 40-0. He's not constant enough, but he was pretty fun to watch.

Yes, it was an exciting tie to follow. I saw Petzchner for the first time and he did very well on his debut. :hatoff:
I'd say the inconsistency was the problem for both Petzchner and Kohli on Sunday. And Igor hammering of course. :lol:
Germany can have a decent team with some younger guys maturing.

Action Jackson
09-24-2007, 12:00 PM
Why would Haas be a certainty to defeat Youzhny?

MariaV
09-24-2007, 12:03 PM
Why would Haas be a certainty to defeat Youzhny?

Because Youzhny was playing far from great on Sunday, he himself admitted that and all the commentators, he is not fit enough, only his experience carried him through, Petzchner admitted he was too nervous. Even the Russian commentators speculated if Tommy wasn't regretting that he withdrew when he saw this Youzhny but of course we didn't know how serious the stomach flu had been.

JMG
09-24-2007, 12:07 PM
You already said the same stuff after Russia beat France, "Forget handed the win to Russia" or something like that. ^^ The Russian team is just so much better than they can win without playing at their best, it never was Germany's to take, they had a "slim" chance at best. I don't know what you expected Kühnen to do exactly?

As for calling Haas "pathetic", you can't know for sure how he felt. Judging by his disastrous form on Friday, there was not much point to play if he was feeling even worse on Sunday (German media said he was sick and throwing up).
I'm not saying it's pure bad luck if his body regularly lets him down in this kind of situations, not at all, but if he was really ill, he wouldn't have won anyway, on clay, with his sore shoulder which was taped again on Friday. I can understand the decision.

German newspapers write today he is thinking about retiring from Davis Cup now, but the whole team hopes he will reconsider it. Waske said he doesn't have to play all the ties, for example if they are playing on clay in Peru, but they definitely need him if they play on hardcourt.

We still have Kiefer. I would clearly pick him over Kohlschreiber on hard court. I hope Kühnen finds a solution to get Kiefer into the 4 man team. A retirement from Haas would help of course. Otherwise one of Kiefer/Kohlschreiber would always be only #5.

Action Jackson
09-24-2007, 12:13 PM
Because Youzhny was playing far from great on Sunday, he himself admitted that and all the commentators, he is not fit enough, only his experience carried him through, Petzchner admitted he was too nervous. Even the Russian commentators speculated if Tommy wasn't regretting that he withdrew when he saw this Youzhny but of course we didn't know how serious the stomach flu had been.

Playing with an illness is easy then? Try and run around with a stomach bug playing sport at an intense level and you will see how easy it is.

Lack of energy, the body can't hold anything down, therefore it makes it even harder to move around and you really wanting to be playing on a claycourt with an illness.

In other words it's just speculation.

MariaV
09-24-2007, 12:49 PM
Playing with an illness is easy then? Try and run around with a stomach bug playing sport at an intense level and you will see how easy it is.

Lack of energy, the body can't hold anything down, therefore it makes it even harder to move around and you really wanting to be playing on a claycourt with an illness.

In other words it's just speculation.

Who said anything about playing with illness being easy? :rolleyes: No need to tell me the ABC here. :retard:
We thought Haas simply chickened out or was playing a diva, we had no idea that anything was wrong with him. And as you are literate too, I said a HEALTHY Haas would've beaten this out-of-form Youzhny on Sunday.

And I felt so sorry for Waske and Petzchner who had fought really well on Saturday and got the lead for Germany.

Action Jackson
09-24-2007, 12:58 PM
Who said anything about playing with illness being easy? :rolleyes: No need to tell me the ABC here. :retard:
We thought Haas simply chickened out or was playing a diva, we had no idea that anything was wrong with him. And as you are literate too, I said a HEALTHY Haas would've beaten this out-of-form Youzhny on Sunday.

And I felt so sorry for Waske and Petzchner who had fought really well on Saturday and got the lead for Germany.

Haas has lost at home in a DC tie to Udomchoke on clay when healthy, so saying he is a certainty to beat Youzhny is doubtful at least.

MariaV
09-24-2007, 01:03 PM
Haas has lost at home in a DC tie to Udomchoke on clay when healthy, so saying he is a certainty to beat Youzhny is doubtful at least.

Maybe Udomchoke was playing great then? :p Youzhny was not playing well at all and he himself admitted it. I wouldn't say Petzchner had his chances, simply Youzhny's experience mattered at the important moments and Petzchner still took a set, very respectable show for a debut. :p
I go the fight with you after all. :rolls: But now I have to go. :nerner: :wavey:

JMG
09-24-2007, 01:40 PM
I don't think Haas was healthy against Udomchoke. He had cramps or something. I can't remember if it was due to illness or more a mental thing.

Truc
09-24-2007, 01:49 PM
We still have Kiefer. I would clearly pick him over Kohlschreiber on hard court. I hope Kühnen finds a solution to get Kiefer into the 4 man team. A retirement from Haas would help of course. Otherwise one of Kiefer/Kohlschreiber would always be only #5.In Davis Cup, it's far from being obvious.
I've been watching the German DC team for a few years only, but Kiwi was below par everytime I saw him in DC. And it's been rather the opposite with Kohli so far, so I'd definitely give Kohli his chance over Kiwi in that situation.
Also because Kohli is younger - that was the good point with the team Kühnen picked this time, Petzschner and Kohli were refreshing (Haas/Kiefer/Waske/Kohlmann -> average age about 31!!)

Truc
09-24-2007, 01:49 PM
Btw the tape on the shoulder is just a precaution.Yep, he never mentioned it either, that was from me. But he was serving so poorly on Friday, maybe he felt he couldn't rely on his serve to try to "get through somehow".

I think the taping is a little bit more than a precaution though, he gave an interview to the SZ before the tie where he says he will play like that until the end of the season, but they need to finally find out then what is wrong with his shoulder, he can't keep playing like this, through the pain, barely practicing because his shoulder can't take it (like at the USO), etc.:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/weitere/artikel/751/133502/2/

Clara Bow
09-24-2007, 02:16 PM
:woohoo:

I was there, cheered my lungs out :lol:

Great performance by Igor all weekend :yeah:

Well done boys :worship:

I think I saw you on TV.:) Do you still have short hair and were you wearing a red shirt?

MariaV
09-24-2007, 06:43 PM
In Davis Cup, it's far from being obvious.
I've been watching the German DC team for a few years only, but Kiwi was below par everytime I saw him in DC. And it's been rather the opposite with Kohli so far, so I'd definitely give Kohli his chance over Kiwi in that situation.
Also because Kohli is younger - that was the good point with the team Kühnen picked this time, Petzschner and Kohli were refreshing (Haas/Kiefer/Waske/Kohlmann -> average age about 31!!)

I also agree that it's wise from Kühnen to take younger guys in the team and they have coped pretty well with the pressure, maybe even better than the oldies.

Yep, he never mentioned it either, that was from me. But he was serving so poorly on Friday, maybe he felt he couldn't rely on his serve to try to "get through somehow".

I think the taping is a little bit more than a precaution though, he gave an interview to the SZ before the tie where he says he will play like that until the end of the season, but they need to finally find out then what is wrong with his shoulder, he can't keep playing like this, through the pain, barely practicing because his shoulder can't take it (like at the USO), etc.:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/weitere/artikel/751/133502/2/

Danke, in Bild they said it was only precaution (yes that's what I read in Deutsch :o), I don't read SZ regularly. And I thought they had solved the issues with the shoulder. Too bad then, sehr schade. :(