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DC SF: Petzschner/Waske def Tursunov/Youzhny 6-3 3-6 7-6 7-6

silverwhite
09-22-2007, 02:09 PM
:eek:

Black Adam
09-22-2007, 02:11 PM
Russia should win both singles tomorrow.

Andre♥
09-22-2007, 02:11 PM
If Germany wins, they will play at home vs USA right?

SwiSha
09-22-2007, 02:11 PM
expected shit

Haas will lose

Kohlschreiber has to do it

TMJordan
09-22-2007, 02:11 PM
Petzschner :worship:

RickDaStick
09-22-2007, 02:12 PM
If Germany wins, they will play at home vs USA right?

Correct

Eden
09-22-2007, 02:12 PM
Amazing DC debut for Petzschner :yeah: Important 2nd point for the Germans. Now the Sunday should get really interesting.

goldenlox
09-22-2007, 02:12 PM
The German team was better at the net, better doubles players.

silverwhite
09-22-2007, 02:13 PM
expected shit

Haas will lose

Kohlschreiber has to do it

:unsure:

Andre♥
09-22-2007, 02:13 PM
Correct

So, that means Germany is one win away of winning the Davis Cup, as Haas and Kohlie won't have problems in dealing with Roddick and Blake on clay... :eek:

Action Jackson
09-22-2007, 02:15 PM
JMG would love this.

Great for Petzschner in his DC debut to handle the pressure and give the Germans a 2-1 lead.

Youzhny will probably come in for the reverse singles and then Andreev against Kohli.

silverwhite
09-22-2007, 02:16 PM
So, that means Germany is one win away of winning the Davis Cup, as Haas and Kohlie won't have problems in dealing with Roddick and Blake on clay... :eek:

Neither Germany or the US has won yet. :rolls:

Johnny Groove
09-22-2007, 02:17 PM
Come on Russia :rolleyes:

Eden
09-22-2007, 02:17 PM
Youzhny will probably come in for the reverse singles and then Andreev against Kohli.

Seems possible. The German commentator just said that Davydenko has a cold.

Andre♥
09-22-2007, 02:18 PM
Neither Germany or the US has won yet. :rolls:

I know, but doing futurology ( :p ) Germany will destroy USA on clay in a final between these two countries.

Truc
09-22-2007, 02:18 PM
Petzschner was just amazing. He was so solid from the beginning to the end, it was crazy. :worship:
Kudos to Waske too for playing although he seemed to be in a lot of pain.

The Russian team was ridiculously bad though, they couldn't return Waske's serves although he couldn't serve at all in the 4th set (and he kept winning his service games to love or 15).

Veronique
09-22-2007, 02:18 PM
Amazing stuff by Petzschner on his Davis Cup debut. Well done!

AnnaK_4ever
09-22-2007, 02:19 PM
Never in doubt. Tursunov/Youzhny is totally useless combo. We could have a slim chance only if it was Andreev/Tursunov.
The tie will be over after the first reverse singles, I think. Many *thanks!* to Ukrainian-Austrian fixer!

bellascarlett
09-22-2007, 02:19 PM
Russia :smash:

I've never been so frustrated watching a match in my life, and that says something. So frustrating watching Misha/Dima choke returns when Waske barely could serve in the last set. Had they broken right away early in the fourth set when Waske got hurt, it would have been a different match and would have forced Germany to play a 5th set. :retard: *sigh* Davydenko better win his match tomorrow. :help:

Anyway, well done to the German team esp since one had never played DC before. They fought well, served better. Good win for them.

silverwhite
09-22-2007, 02:19 PM
I know, but doing futurology ( :p ) Germany will destroy USA on clay in a final between these two countries.

We'll bump this post up again at the end of the year. :lol:

Veronique
09-22-2007, 02:20 PM
Seems possible. The German commentator just said that Davydenko has a cold.

Our TTC commentator also said Andreev will play the 5th rubber if it gets to that.

Burrow
09-22-2007, 02:21 PM
This is ridiculous.

I'm not sure if Davydenko will play tommorow.

Andreev will win.

Haas vs Tursunov?

silverwhite
09-22-2007, 02:22 PM
Seems possible. The German commentator just said that Davydenko has a cold.

Tarpi usually plays 3 different singles players anyway. :lol:

silverwhite
09-22-2007, 02:23 PM
This is ridiculous.

I'm not sure if Davydenko will play tommorow.

Andreev will win.

Haas vs Tursunov?

Probably Youzhny :scratch:

Eden
09-22-2007, 02:24 PM
Our TTC commentator also said Andreev will play the 5th rubber if it gets to that.

It's no surprise if he would play ;) He did a great job yesterday and is the best Russian player on clay.

TommyB.
09-22-2007, 02:26 PM
:worship:

Great DC debut Petzsche! :D

goldenlox
09-22-2007, 02:27 PM
And the US is capable of beating Germany on clay. This hasn't been some incredible level of play.
Haas was awful, and Davydenko had several bp's to go up 52 in the 3rd.
And the German doubles team won't beat the Bryans.
The Germans are playing good enough to win this tie, but the Russians are helping them win.

AnnaK_4ever
09-22-2007, 02:29 PM
Russia :smash:


Not Russia but Tarpischev :smash:
So much for "the best tennis captain in the world" :rolleyes:

As soon as Davydenko began moaning about his *injury* it became obvious he wasn't going to fight till the end. Tarpischev should have selected Youzhny or even Tursunov instead of the fixer on Friday.

Yappa
09-22-2007, 02:30 PM
No idea, how they managed to pull off that win, after Waskes arm problems resurfaced. After that medical timeout, the Russians tried to play the ball to Waske, but he still was completely fine with volleying. :yeah:

Eden
09-22-2007, 02:32 PM
Not Russia but Tarpischev :smash:
So much for "the best tennis captain in the world" :rolleyes:

As soon as Davydenko began moaning about his *injury* it became obvious he wasn't going to fight till the end. Tarpischev should have selected Youzhny or even Tursunov instead of the fixer on Friday.

Have you looked at the h2h between Youzhny and Kohlschreiber? It's no surprise that your team captain choose Davydenko to play.

mr_burns
09-22-2007, 02:35 PM
great win....now looking forward to sunday..

haas has a good chance if he can increase his level and not has to play koyla

goldenlox
09-22-2007, 02:35 PM
So the first match tomorrow will be huge. I like a big day like this.

JMG
09-22-2007, 02:36 PM
Expected good match by Philipp. I would have liked to see 1 or 2 better passing shots at the end, especially in the last two returning games, but all in all solid returns and really strong serving and net play. :worship:

:woohoo:

AnnaK_4ever
09-22-2007, 02:40 PM
Have you looked at the h2h between Youzhny and Kohlschreiber? It's no surprise that your team captain choose Davydenko to play.

I know their H2Hs, thank you.
But I also know Youzhny would be fighting till the end for the team. Davydenko would never do the same. That's the difference.

Burrow
09-22-2007, 02:44 PM
Probably Youzhny :scratch:

For some reason I think Tarpi will pick Tursunov if Davydenko won't play. But we seen that Davydenko played a great match against Haas at the US Open, even although Haas may have been fatigued.

Eden
09-22-2007, 02:44 PM
I know their H2Hs, thank you.
But I also know Youzhny would be fighting till the end for the team. Davydenko would never do the same. That's the difference.

I think you are being a bit to harsh on Kolya ;) He didn't get crushed, just lost in the 5th set to a great player on clay. The match could have gone either way. It's always frustrating to lose such a close match, but there's no shame for Kolya to have lost against Kohlschreiber.

TankingTheSet
09-22-2007, 02:46 PM
Why shouldn't the Germans select Petzschner for the final singles match? He is on fire, Haas is useless on clay.

Yappa
09-22-2007, 02:48 PM
Tursunov is not an option, since he is as useless on clay as Haas. Youzhny at least reached the final of Munich.

VamosEspaña
09-22-2007, 02:48 PM
So, that means Germany is one win away of winning the Davis Cup, as Haas and Kohlie won't have problems in dealing with Roddick and Blake on clay... :eek:

:bigclap: :bigclap: Petzschner :bigclap: :bigclap:

:worship: :worship: Kühnen :worship: :worship:


But I haven't forgotten that Germany had lost to Belarus in 2003 on clay at home...

Horatio Caine
09-22-2007, 02:48 PM
Haas vs Tursunov?

That would be suicide :lol:

Has to be Youzhny, and while he is fancied to beat Haas on clay, he does, nevertheless, have a losing record to block out in his mind.

*Ljubica*
09-22-2007, 02:49 PM
For some reason I think Tarpi will pick Tursunov if Davydenko won't play. But we seen that Davydenko played a great match against Haas at the US Open, even although Haas may have been fatigued.

I adore Dima - he's one of my favourite players - but he sure can't play on clay :sad:

AnnaK_4ever
09-22-2007, 02:50 PM
I think you are being a bit to harsh on Kolya ;) He didn't get crushed, just lost in the 5th set to a great player on clay. The match could have gone either way. It's always frustrating to lose such a close match, but there's no shame for Kolya to have lost against Kohlschreiber.

It's not even the fact he lost to Kohlschreiber. It's his demeanor. The first thing Davydenko did in Moscow was crying about injury. Then it was the court "being made up for Safin". Now it's also a cold...

Byrd
09-22-2007, 02:51 PM
Hmmm Russia should go send a helicopter to go pick Safin up LoL...

gulzhan
09-22-2007, 02:52 PM
even though german team played better (much better) it still was decided on two tbs....

and i am again frustrated and confused about the rules-- how come waske could boldly stop serving in the middle of game? is it permitted? i mean, something has to be done about these ridiculous medical time-outs

having said that about waske :eek: the other guy was real good... it's such a shame both turso and youzhny were so bad on return :o

davydenko is sick, i am sure he won't play tomorrow... but youzhny today was not good either... so :scared: i don't envy tarpi :tape:

martine2
09-22-2007, 02:55 PM
Petzschner was just amazing. He was so solid from the beginning to the end, it was crazy. :worship:
Kudos to Waske too for playing although he seemed to be in a lot of pain.

The Russian team was ridiculously bad though, they couldn't return Waske's serves although he couldn't serve at all in the 4th set (and he kept winning his service games to love or 15).

What was wrong with Waske :awww: ?

the cat
09-22-2007, 02:58 PM
Russia is coming up small in the clutch this Davis Cup Tie against Germany. :( Terrible doubles loss for Youhzny and Tursunov. :mad: :o Davydenko needs to get over his cold :rolleyes: and win his singles match on Sunday. I have confidence Andreev will come through for Russia on clay. But Davydenko has to earn my confidence.

JMG
09-22-2007, 03:01 PM
What was wrong with Waske :awww: ?

Waske has elbow problems for some months already. He got pain in the forth set and his serve speed dropped from about 210 to 150.

AnnaK_4ever
09-22-2007, 03:03 PM
Youzhny/Tursunov is the worst possible combination in Russian team. It's been proved several times already.

But Mitya is undefeated in singles :)

MCL
09-22-2007, 03:15 PM
It looks like Russia is in real trouble but I want them to win.

Johnny Groove
09-22-2007, 03:17 PM
It looks like Russia is in real trouble but I want them to win.

i think most americans do :awww:

Horatio Caine
09-22-2007, 03:34 PM
Not Russia but Tarpischev :smash:
So much for "the best tennis captain in the world" :rolleyes:

As soon as Davydenko began moaning about his *injury* it became obvious he wasn't going to fight till the end. Tarpischev should have selected Youzhny or even Tursunov instead of the fixer on Friday.

Nothing wrong with his tactics...Tursunov had no better than 45% chance against either German, and Youzhny has a problem when it comes to playing Kohlschreiber. :shrug:

shotgun
09-22-2007, 03:41 PM
Expected win for the Germans, now tomorrow should be quite interesting. Russia are still the favourites but it's never easy to come back from 1-2 on Sunday.

scarecrows
09-22-2007, 03:48 PM
go Germany, make the final now

Stensland
09-22-2007, 04:07 PM
i didn't expect this at all, so i'm stunned about what the team is able to achieve with team spirit and great fighting.

now go all the way kohli! :)

mangoes
09-22-2007, 04:22 PM
COME ON RUSSIA............Win those two singles tomorrow :lol: :lol: :lol:

Jens
09-22-2007, 04:51 PM
:banana: :aparty:

fabolous
09-22-2007, 05:00 PM
super-petzsche and waske :worship:

but i still don't know who should score the final point tomorrow :shrug:

dylan24
09-22-2007, 05:02 PM
good
hope russia loses.
thats what donkey gets for choking away that match vs PK.
donkey will be hated in russia by russians as much as he is hated by bettors across the world for his fixing.

Burrow
09-22-2007, 05:05 PM
I adore Dima - he's one of my favourite players - but he sure can't play on clay :sad:

Im aware of that, but for some reason I think he could hold his nerve better than Youzhny against Haas.

Exodus
09-22-2007, 05:12 PM
they just can't win without the big marat lol

AnnaK_4ever
09-22-2007, 05:18 PM
good
hope russia loses.
thats what donkey gets for choking away that match vs PK.
donkey will be hated in russia by russians as much as he is hated by bettors across the world for his fixing.

:lol:
PMK is unknown in Russia so "hated" is a too strong word...

GlennMirnyi
09-22-2007, 05:25 PM
Waske! :hatoff:

Expected result from the better of the two teams.

Eden
09-22-2007, 05:29 PM
COME ON RUSSIA............Win those two singles tomorrow :lol: :lol: :lol:

Are you afraid about a DC final between Germany and USA in my homecountry on clay? :p

mangoes
09-22-2007, 05:38 PM
Are you afraid about a DC final between Germany and USA in my homecountry on clay? :p

Yes......:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 1. It's CLAY:mad: 2. I want the pleasure of attending a DC final in the USA to watch us win:p :lol: :lol: :lol:

GlennMirnyi
09-22-2007, 05:38 PM
Hope Germany wins tomorrow. I wanna see the Americans crying on clay. :lol:

mangoes
09-22-2007, 05:40 PM
Hope Germany wins tomorrow. I wanna see the Americans crying on clay. :lol:

:ras: :ras: :ras: The plus is that the Germans will have a weaker team than the ones we faced against the Russians and Spaniards.....

Johnny Groove
09-22-2007, 05:40 PM
Hope Germany wins tomorrow. I wanna see the Americans crying on clay. :lol:

Like we did against the Czechs? :p

GlennMirnyi
09-22-2007, 05:41 PM
:ras: :ras: :ras: The plus is that Germany will have a weaker team than the one we faced against the Russians and Spainards.....

Weaker team? Only if Kohlschreiber gets hurt. I'd say even Mayer has a serious advantage over the Americans on clay.

GlennMirnyi
09-22-2007, 05:42 PM
Like we did against the Czechs? :p

Lucky strike. If Steppa had played there would be no chance.

mangoes
09-22-2007, 05:45 PM
Weaker team? Only if Kohlschreiber gets hurt. I'd say even Mayer has a serious advantage over the Americans on clay.

Our only weak link will be Blake. On clay, Andy is a fighter for our USA team. I'd take our chances versus the Germans. We're not exactly facing, ON CLAY, a Marat, Davydenko, Moya, Nadal, Youzhny, Ferrer, Robredo............it's only Haas and Kohlschreiber:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The trash talking has already started and neither team is in the final.

GO RUSSIA!!!

GlennMirnyi
09-22-2007, 05:46 PM
Our only weak link will be Blake. On clay, Andy is a fighter for our USA team. I'd take our chances versus the Germans. We're not exactly facing a Marat, Davydenko, Moya, Nadal, Youzhny, Ferrer, Robredo............it's only Haas and Kohlschreiber:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The trash talking has already started and neither team is in the final.

GO RUSSIA!!!

Roddick lost to TURSUNOV, not Nadal, not Davydenko, not Moya. That says enough. ;)

Johnny Groove
09-22-2007, 05:48 PM
Lucky strike. If Steppa had played there would be no chance.

But he didnt, did he, thats why the Czechs are here, and the Americans are in the final :zzz:

Stensland
09-22-2007, 05:50 PM
i was at the final as a kid when we got the davis cup back in the 90s, it would be just fantastic to be there once again...

and now that we'd have more than a decent chance of lifting the trophy...

whoo-hoooooooooo! :) :) :) this year could end just amazing!

mangoes
09-22-2007, 05:50 PM
Roddick lost to TURSUNOV, not Nadal, not Davydenko, not Moya. That says enough. ;)

:lol: :lol: :lol: Tursunov was playing out of his mind that day....and Andy also played damn good........But, things just didn't go our way:lol: :lol:

Seriously, a tie against the Russians on HC will still be a harder task than playing the Germans on Clay. I'd just rather we play at home and on HC.

Burrow
09-22-2007, 05:50 PM
they just can't win without the big marat lol

Well He isnt as good as Davydenko, Youzhny, Tursunov or Andreev as a player nowadays anyway.

Andreev would be higher ranked than him if it wasnt for that injury.

GlennMirnyi
09-22-2007, 05:52 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: Tursunov was playing out of his mind that day....and Andy also played damn good........But, things just didn't go our way:lol: :lol:

Seriously, a tie against the Russians on HC will still be a harder task than playing the Germans on Clay. I'd just rather we play at home and on HC.

No it won't. All Russians are pigeons to Americans on HCs. Roddick owns Youzhny, Blake owns Davydenko, and so on.

Burrow
09-22-2007, 05:53 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: Tursunov was playing out of his mind that day....and Andy also played damn good........But, things just didn't go our way:lol: :lol:

Seriously, a tie against the Russians on HC will still be a harder task than playing the Germans on Clay. I'd just rather we play at home and on HC.

Russia vs America on hard in Houston or somewhere would be amazing.

Safin vs Roddick or Blake would be a blockbuster.

mangoes
09-22-2007, 06:03 PM
No it won't. All Russians are pigeons to Americans on HCs. Roddick owns Youzhny, Blake owns Davydenko, and so on.

They'd never put Davydenko up so don't even consider him. They'd put Andreev, Marat, Tursunov and Youzhny up..........no walk in the park.

GlennMirnyi
09-22-2007, 06:21 PM
They'd never put Davydenko up so don't even consider him. They'd put Andreev, Marat, Tursunov and Youzhny up..........no walk in the park.

Since 2004 Roddick has a 4-0 H2H against Safin outside clay, 3-0 against Youzhny since 2002 and I can't see a chance for this permanently injured Tursunov to beat Roddick away. Andreev would have the best chance, but he's not the same player who defeated Roddick on HC before.

mangoes
09-22-2007, 06:25 PM
Since 2004 Roddick has a 4-0 H2H against Safin outside clay, 3-0 against Youzhny since 2002 and I can't see a chance for this permanently injured Tursunov to beat Roddick away. Andreev would have the best chance, but he's not the same player who defeated Roddick on HC before.

I don't believe in considering these H2H stats during DC. Some players play with a different determination when representing their country......eg. Tursunov.

But, we'll see what happens;) I just want the USA to win DC 2007:banana: :lol: :lol: ..........and hopefully the victory will be on American soil:lol: :lol:

GlennMirnyi
09-22-2007, 06:27 PM
I don't believe in considering these H2H stats during DC. Some players play with a different determination when representing their country......eg. Tursunov.

But, we'll see what happens;) I just want the USA to win DC 2007:banana: :lol: :lol:
Why not? It's still the same sport.

mangoes
09-22-2007, 06:28 PM
Why not? It's still the same sport.

Same sport, different reason for playing the sport on DC weekend.

Eden
09-22-2007, 06:29 PM
i was at the final as a kid when we got the davis cup back in the 90s, it would be just fantastic to be there once again...

and now that we'd have more than a decent chance of lifting the trophy...

whoo-hoooooooooo! :) :) :) this year could end just amazing!

I'll keep my fingers crossed that you'll get to see that final :yeah:

But let's not make the same mistake as 12 years ago as everyone was already talking about the final against the USA and the "Super 4 encounter" Becker/Stich - Sampras/Agassi, when Stich lost the deciding match in the SF against Tschesnokow :sad:

TheBoiledEgg
09-22-2007, 07:05 PM
i still think he'll play Kolya tomorrow

Kolya surely cant blow it again :cuckoo:

5th rubber
Andreev and he's 4-0 vs Kohlschriber.
Igor is out of the question until the 4th rubber is won.

at least on the bright side of things, US will have to play final away when they've already booked the venue at home :tape:

groundstroke
09-22-2007, 07:05 PM
Didn't expect this, two solid Russian players and they lose in 4.

Mechlan
09-22-2007, 07:12 PM
Things change so fast. I thought this tie would be a lock for Russia. Kolya should play tomorrow if he's not feeling too bad, otherwise Germany will walk out with the win.

AnnaK_4ever
09-22-2007, 07:18 PM
Didn't expect this, two solid Russian players and they lose in 4.

Tursunov/Youzhny is a disastrous team. Now 0-3 in Davis Cup. For some reason they just can't play together.
Tursunov/Andreev or Youzhny/Andreev would be much better option.

ReturnWinner
09-22-2007, 09:45 PM
Seems possible. The German commentator just said that Davydenko has a cold.

his chest is cold

Neely
09-23-2007, 09:21 AM
Good performance of Petzschner, nice to see that a German player doesn't choke ;) At the beginning he started a bit nervous with the volleys and didn't kill a few ones he should have converted. Then since the middle of the first set he started really strong and was the better player than Waske on serve and return. And lucky for the German team that the Russians didn't return better on these weaker serves of Waske. Sometimes it's of course harder to accellerate a small ball than just using the speed of your opponent and block a return back, but they should have really done much more and played with better placement.

Bloodletting
09-23-2007, 09:46 AM
his chest is cold

:lol:

JMG
09-24-2007, 11:11 PM
Just read on the bild site that Waske is out for the season. Impressive that he could finish this match. :yeah:

Would have been an interesting situation for the final.