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DC -Sela def Massu 6:3, 6:4, 6:7, 6:4

Or Levy
09-20-2007, 05:40 PM
5 hours and 7 minutes long match. :eek: :eek:

Could have closed it out in 3, choked on the TB, and had loads of BP.

But he got the job done, lets just hope Gonzo got some slump left in him.

TMJordan
09-20-2007, 05:41 PM
Dudi :woohoo:

Fergie
09-20-2007, 05:41 PM
Nico :bs:

+alonso
09-20-2007, 05:43 PM
:ras: :sad: Nico never got some good rhytm in the match!

keqtqiadv
09-20-2007, 05:44 PM
expected result :p

Or Levy
09-20-2007, 05:45 PM
He was too busy getting pissed off at the line calls.

Albop
09-20-2007, 05:45 PM
nico :retard:

Jimnik
09-20-2007, 05:46 PM
Needed win for Israel.

They could win the doubles too but I don't see a 3rd win.

TheBoiledEgg
09-20-2007, 05:46 PM
bet Gonzo fell asleep waiting for him too :yawn:

Massu = death of tennis

Albop
09-20-2007, 05:47 PM
chile will win anyway

Or Levy
09-20-2007, 05:50 PM
Gonzo will take his two points, question is whether Andy and yoni justify their ranking, and whether Ukon manage to trouble Massu, especially if the faith of the tie will rest on his shoulders

darnyelb
09-20-2007, 05:55 PM
how does a match of THAT scoreline take more than 5 hours to complete? anybody?

Sparko1030
09-20-2007, 05:56 PM
:tape: Nico :banghead: :awww: I had hoped playing DC would get him fired up but nada. Weeks of practice but where is the warrior???

:hatoff: Sela.

But I think Chile still has the overall advantage. ;)

ReturnWinner
09-20-2007, 05:56 PM
lol i had not a clue the series started today, but not suprised with the score neither with the duration of the match, after all its a Massu match :tape:

ChinoRios4Ever
09-20-2007, 06:02 PM
:help::help::help::help:

no words for this...

ReturnWinner
09-20-2007, 06:06 PM
yeah exactly that is the main keys, Erlich/Ram should be the fav in the doubles but not sure they will win,and Okun could beat Massu but could lost too
Gonzo will take his two points, question is whether Andy and yoni justify their ranking, and whether Ukon manage to trouble Massu, especially if the faith of the tie will rest on his shoulders

TheBoiledEgg
09-20-2007, 06:06 PM
how does a match of THAT scoreline take more than 5 hours to complete? anybody?

you need to ask :lol:

Massu :tape:

he takes 45secs between each pt and thats without ass picking or pulling his socks up every pt.

ReturnWinner
09-20-2007, 06:09 PM
any livestream for this serie?

Frederick16
09-20-2007, 06:09 PM
and at roland garros we saw him often run back to the baseline after he volleyed and then started the rally over again for 5 min.. horna did the same so they were playing until midnight for 5 sets or so :rolleyes:

Or Levy
09-20-2007, 06:10 PM
They kept waiting for the crowd to settle down (just noisy, cheering and stuff), and were just VERY slow, both in their play and the points were long, nearly no easy service games, especially Nico's, Dudi got to 30:30 nearly on every single point, if not to deuce. Massu made way more unforced errors on critical points, too.

scarecrows
09-20-2007, 06:10 PM
Needed win for Israel.

They could win the doubles too but I don't see a 3rd win.

Okun might beat Massu
he plays rather solid in Davis Cup matches

ChinoRios4Ever
09-20-2007, 06:11 PM
Massu good days are the past... that's all folks, but still i wont bash him, he did it too much being a very limited player

i see this tie going 2-2 to the 5th rubber, Okun vs Capdeville in that match????? omg!!!! im really scared

ReturnWinner
09-20-2007, 06:14 PM
and at roland garros we saw him often run back to the baseline after he volleyed and then started the rally over again for 5 min.. horna did the same so they were playing until midnight for 5 sets or so :rolleyes:

lol,but i am sure that was nothing compared to Massu Chela in Acapulco which lasted more than three hours :spit:

Or Levy
09-20-2007, 06:14 PM
Livestream -
If you aren't in Israel, you can watch but you will have to pay 24 dollars for the entire month, you can't just buy the tournament.

http://www2.jumptv.com/landingpages/Israeli_football/Israeli_Football.html

if you can't get a fake Israeli proxie or whatever, you can watch it live for free here -

http://www.sport5.co.il/articles.aspx?FolderID=411&docID=25561&lang=he

The ukon/Gonzo livestream option isn't avilable yet - but it should be up if you can get the fake proxie, otherwise you need to pay.

GlennMirnyi
09-20-2007, 06:17 PM
bet Gonzo fell asleep waiting for him too :yawn:

Massu = death of tennis

You can't go wrong with a sentence like that.

Never in doubt. Massu sucks. You have to see like Stevie Wonder to think he'd win this match.

Massu what a prick. I can't even imagine all he must have pulled to make a 4-setter reach 5 hours.

cobalt60
09-20-2007, 06:29 PM
5 hours and 7 minutes long match. :eek: :eek:

Could have closed it out in 3, choked on the TB, and had loads of BP.

But he got the job done, lets just hope Gonzo got some slump left in him.

Dudi :banana: :woohoo:

dylan24
09-20-2007, 06:35 PM
i can't decide what is the bigger tennis travesty: this bum winning the gold at the olympics or that fat bitch bartoli getting to the wimbledon final.
both rank in the top 10 of all time tennis flukes for sure

*Viva Chile*
09-20-2007, 06:45 PM
Never in doubt

As much as I support Nico, this is fault of Gildemeister for not put Paul as second singles player :mad:

Fee
09-20-2007, 06:49 PM
Dudi :banana:

GlennMirnyi
09-20-2007, 06:50 PM
Watch Okun winning and Israel making it 3-0 saturday. :lol:

fmolinari2005
09-20-2007, 06:50 PM
You can't go wrong with a sentence like that.

Never in doubt. Massu sucks. You have to see like Stevie Wonder to think he'd win this match.

Massu what a prick. I can't even imagine all he must have pulled to make a 4-setter reach 5 hours.

I dont know if you read the tennisbrasil section of uol's website. According to them, there was a controversy going on before this match. It seems that the Israeli team openly said that they would target Massu to win points, because Gonzales was playing like a top ten. Massu got angry and replied quoting that he knows how to play on hard courts, since he won the Olympic games and reached finals of the Madrid MS.

So ... it seems that the Israeli team knew what they were talking about.

*Viva Chile*
09-20-2007, 06:54 PM
Watch Okun winning and Israel making it 3-0 saturday. :lol:

and since when you're a clairvoyant? :rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
09-20-2007, 06:54 PM
I dont know if you read the tennisbrasil section of uol's website. According to them, there was a controversy going on before this match. It seems that the Israeli team openly said that they would target Massu to win points, because Gonzales was playing like a top ten. Massu got angry and replied quoting that he knows how to play on hard courts, since he won the Olympic games and reached finals of the Madrid MS.

So ... it seems that the Israeli team knew what they were talking about.

Time to warn the Israelis Gonzalez isn't playing like a top ten. :lol:

Andre♥
09-20-2007, 06:57 PM
Time to warn the Israelis Gonzalez isn't playing like a top ten. :lol:

I guess they have figured it out now!

Okun 6:4 :lol:

GlennMirnyi
09-20-2007, 07:01 PM
and since when you're a clairvoyant? :rolleyes:

Don't cry, it will be less painful.

Or Levy
09-20-2007, 07:09 PM
6:4 to Noam, Gonzo broke at the begining of the second set, but facing three break points again.

Loving it, loving it, loving it.

Keep on Slumping Gonzo!

I can't fucking believe I'm not there, will be there to see Andyoni tomorrow.

Ohhhh, he got broken and slamming raquets right now, very edgy...

Deboogle!.
09-20-2007, 07:19 PM
lol i had not a clue the series started todayWell, because they can't play on Saturday due to both Sabbath and Yom Kippur making this Saturday pretty much the most important religious day the whole year :lol:

Anyway, I just can't believe the length of the match :eek: :eek: :eek:

martine2
09-20-2007, 07:53 PM
Didn't know either it started today.... Missed the beginning :(

GonzoFed
09-20-2007, 09:04 PM
Two things:

1) Sadly this was never in doubt. The main problem is not Massu losing, but the way he is losing. Crappy footwork and not consistent pace on his groundstrokes. Sela should have won this in three.

2) Lets see if Gildemeister has the balls to put Capdeville in the fifth rubber, which if everything turns out as expected, should be the decider.

ChinoRios4Ever
09-20-2007, 09:11 PM
Two things:

1) Sadly this was never in doubt. The main problem is not Massu losing, but the way he is losing. Crappy footwork and not consistent pace on his groundstrokes. Sela should have won this in three.

2) Lets see if Gildemeister has the balls to put Capdeville in the fifth rubber, which if everything turns out as expected, should be the decider.

Very true. Dudi choked badly in the 3rd, he had to win easily in 3.

In the other hand, funny thing we have many chilean haters in this forum :lol:

*Viva Chile*
09-20-2007, 09:16 PM
Very true. Dudi choked badly in the 3rd, he had to win easily in 3.

In the other hand, funny thing we have many chilean haters in this forum :lol:

there aren't many in any case, but let the dogs barf :lol:

Or Levy
09-20-2007, 09:17 PM
Yes, it started today because of Yom Kippur.

The best thing is that both Nico and Gonzo (who is fighting with the ump, the crowd and everything on legs, and hasn't won his match just yet... ) are playing doubles tomorrow, and I sure hope Andy and Yoni tire them out...

Psichogauchovna
09-20-2007, 09:20 PM
:help: Nico :bigcry: hard times for u :hug:

*Viva Chile*
09-20-2007, 09:52 PM
Yes, it started today because of Yom Kippur.

The best thing is that both Nico and Gonzo (who is fighting with the ump, the crowd and everything on legs, and hasn't won his match just yet... ) are playing doubles tomorrow, and I sure hope Andy and Yoni tire them out...

Nothing wrong with the crowd ;) they are in his right to support their team, in fact we are noiser here :lol: but the umpire and the lines judges were :retard:

darnyelb
09-20-2007, 10:10 PM
you need to ask :lol:

Massu :tape:

he takes 45secs between each pt and thats without ass picking or pulling his socks up every pt.

wow, just wow... had no idea LOL.

that's INSANE. :eek:

Voo de Mar
09-20-2007, 10:22 PM
The duration of this match is incredible :eek: I don't know the longer four-setter :shrug: Probably first 4-setter ever lasting more than 5 hours.

shotgun
09-21-2007, 12:13 AM
2) Lets see if Gildemeister has the balls to put Capdeville in the fifth rubber, which if everything turns out as expected, should be the decider.

Gildemeister not only would look desperate but it would also be really unfair to Capdeville if he was thrown to the lions on a live fifth rubber. Gildemeister should now stick to his line of thought and pick Massu for the 5th rubber. Capdeville has never played a live rubber before (apart from the doubles with Garcia against the Bryans which doesn't really count), the right occasion for him to make his debut was the first day, now it's too late.

cobalt60
09-21-2007, 12:21 AM
Gildemeister not only would look desperate but it would also be really unfair to Capdeville if he was thrown to the lions on a live fifth rubber. Gildemeister should now stick to his line of thought and pick Massu for the 5th rubber. Capdeville has never played a live rubber before (apart from the doubles with Garcia against the Bryans which doesn't really count), the right occasion for him to make his debut was the first day, now it's too late.

You were absolutely right btw:D

shotgun
09-21-2007, 12:23 AM
You were absolutely right btw:D

:lol: We don't know if Capdeville would have won, but yes, I believe he would have done better than Massu today. ;)

krakenzero
09-21-2007, 12:32 AM
After all the effort De la Peña did for Chile to be a main contender in the World Group, Gildemeister and his "no-strategy-at-all" style and his absolute lack of knowledge about the rivales, is very close to throx all that away.

No blame at all on Massu, he should have not played today. And if it's not for Gonzalez' comeback in Shanghai, we could have been the first Davis Cup Team in history to be defeated at Friday.

P.D: "Familia del Tenis", thanks very much...

NicoFan
09-21-2007, 12:35 AM
Nico is going through a rough year. End of story.

And who the hell knows what Paul would have done. :rolleyes: Yeah, he's won so many tournaments. ;) :lol:

All I know is that before this DC tie started, the only thing that I cared about was Nico getting some confidence back. Obviously that's not happening.

But after reading Sela's and Okun's comments...I hope Chile can somehow win. Sela and Okun both are such "sweet" guys. :eek: :lol: :lol: Especially Okun.

Ah not... :lol:

A_Rod
09-21-2007, 12:37 AM
I don't want to say this, but Nico must not play the DC again.
Please Hans... Paul MUST to play the next DC ties!!!

NicoFan
09-21-2007, 12:40 AM
I don't want to say this, but Nico must not play the DC again.
Please Hans... Paul MUST to play the next DC ties!!!

:confused:

Helllloooo...

Yes, Nico shouldn't play.

But Paul probably won't do any better.

All you Paul fanatics...what actually has he accomplished that has you thinking that he is the saviour of Chilean tennis?

He took a set off Roger?

Isner took a set off Roger too...but I wouldn't put my DC hopes on him. ;) :lol:

And btw - nice support for a player who has sacrified and sacrified over and over again for Chile. :rolleyes:

GonzoFed
09-21-2007, 12:41 AM
Gildemeister not only would look desperate but it would also be really unfair to Capdeville if he was thrown to the lions on a live fifth rubber. Gildemeister should now stick to his line of thought and pick Massu for the 5th rubber. Capdeville has never played a live rubber before (apart from the doubles with Garcia against the Bryans which doesn't really count), the right occasion for him to make his debut was the first day, now it's too late.

I can see your point and i agree to a certain extent, but i watched the two matches (gotta love the vacations :P) and regarding Paul your thoughts make sense, but thinking about the tie and based on what i saw in both rubbers,i think Massu has a very slim chance of beating Okun. That's how bad Nico is playing right know and that's what i think Gildemeister should take a chance with Capdeville.

GonzoFed
09-21-2007, 12:49 AM
:confused:

Helllloooo...

Yes, Nico shouldn't play.

But Paul probably won't do any better.

All you Paul fanatics...what actually has he accomplished that has you thinking that he is the saviour of Chilean tennis?

He took a set off Roger?

Isner took a set off Roger too...but I wouldn't put my DC hopes on him. ;) :lol:

And btw - nice support for a player who has sacrified and sacrified over and over again for Chile. :rolleyes:

You are taking the criticism the wrong way. This is not about Nico, it is about a davis cup tie that a team representing a country has to find a way to win. Nobody is against Massu, it is just his current level makes him a very questionable choice for a fifth rubber. But don't worry, probably Gildemeister will choose him over Capdeville. And i REALLY hope he proves all the doubters (myself included)wrong, but so far there is not strong evidence that is going to happen.

NicoFan
09-21-2007, 01:00 AM
You are taking the criticism the wrong way. This is not about Nico, it is about a davis cup tie that a team representing a country has to find a way to win. Nobody is against Massu, it is just his current level makes him a very questionable choice for a fifth rubber. But don't worry, probably Gildemeister will choose him over Capdeville. And i REALLY hope he proves all the doubters (myself included)wrong, but so far there is not strong evidence that is going to happen.

My point is that Paul has never done anything big ever.

What makes anyone here think that he can all of a sudden come up with the big win?

Obviously Nico is struggling tremendously. I'm not arguing that. I didn't think that he should play DC at all. He should be worried about getting his career on track, not playing DC. Why he's even there in Israel is beyond me. He should have played Bucharest and then played some challenger in Europe to get his confidence back.

krakenzero
09-21-2007, 01:11 AM
:confused:

Helllloooo...

Yes, Nico shouldn't play.

But Paul probably won't do any better.

All you Paul fanatics...what actually has he accomplished that has you thinking that he is the saviour of Chilean tennis?

He took a set off Roger?

Isner took a set off Roger too...but I wouldn't put my DC hopes on him. ;) :lol:

And btw - nice support for a player who has sacrified and sacrified over and over again for Chile. :rolleyes:


Who's talking about accomplishments right now? These things are a lot simpler... Capdeville is playing better than Massu right now. Period. That has nothing to do with the fact that Massu is the most succesful chilean player of the new millenium considering accomplishments.

P.D: I repeat, "Familia del Tenis Chileno", thank you very much! How can I put a signature here?

A_Rod
09-21-2007, 01:13 AM
:confused:

Helllloooo...

Yes, Nico shouldn't play.

But Paul probably won't do any better.

All you Paul fanatics...what actually has he accomplished that has you thinking that he is the saviour of Chilean tennis?

He took a set off Roger?

Isner took a set off Roger too...but I wouldn't put my DC hopes on him. ;) :lol:

And btw - nice support for a player who has sacrified and sacrified over and over again for Chile. :rolleyes:
I will always support to Nico, but I (and us, the chileans), should recognize when he is playing a bad tennis, perhaps Paul will not win, but he will be adding experience.

*Viva Chile*
09-21-2007, 01:22 AM
Who's talking about accomplishments right now? These things are a lot simpler... Capdeville is playing better than Massu right now. Period. That has nothing to do with the fact that Massu is the most succesful chilean player of the new millenium considering accomplishments.

P.D: I repeat, "Familia del Tenis Chileno", thank you very much! How can I put a signature here?

As much as I support Nico, I totally agree with you. It's not a matter of discriminate Massu for playing DC or how much accomplishments have done each player to gain a place for singlist. Paul is in better form right now and is living a similar sports situation than Sela this days, both making good results and ascending on the rankings. The player who is in better form at the time must play and this thing didn't happen now.

And for the signature, check your PM later...

Archer16
09-21-2007, 01:23 AM
The duration of this match is incredible :eek: I don't know the longer four-setter :shrug: Probably first 4-setter ever lasting more than 5 hours.
Not only that, it was longest match of the year, and the 3rd set was very likely the longest "regular" (TB) ever played!
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6042952&postcount=39

NicoFan
09-21-2007, 01:28 AM
As much as I support Nico, I totally agree with you. It's not a matter of discriminate Massu for playing DC or how much accomplishments have done each player to gain a place for singlist. Paul is in better form right now and is living a similar sports situation than Sela this days, both making good results and ascending on the rankings. The player who is in better form at the time must play and this thing didn't happen now.

And for the signature, check your PM later...

Where are you getting this???

Paul's record is 11-10.

The only regular ATP tournament he did well in this year is DC. (Same as Isner and again, I wouldn't place the U.S. hopes on Isner. :lol:)

The other two tournaments he did well at were challengers back in April...on clay, I believe.

Again...yes, Nico shouldn't have played.

But to think that Paul is going to do any better is mindboggling. :lol:

Maybe yes...but a good chance no.

Alonsofz
09-21-2007, 01:37 AM
:o:o:o:o:o

Archer16
09-21-2007, 01:38 AM
Where are you getting this???

Paul's record is 11-10.

The only regular ATP tournament he did well in this year is DC. (Same as Isner and again, I wouldn't place the U.S. hopes on Isner. :lol:)

The other two tournaments he did well at were challengers back in April...on clay, I believe.

Again...yes, Nico shouldn't have played.

But to think that Paul is going to do any better is mindboggling. :lol:

Maybe yes...but a good chance no.
USA has a little more alternatives before Isner (which also, btw, would beat Massu handily on anything but clay) than Chile.
And after DC, Paul passed the USO qualies and the 1st round (albeit with a good draw) before falling to Fed, and then also won a match in China. How many matches did Massu win recently?

*Viva Chile*
09-21-2007, 01:44 AM
Where are you getting this???

Paul's record is 11-10.

The only regular ATP tournament he did well in this year is DC. (Same as Isner and again, I wouldn't place the U.S. hopes on Isner. :lol:)

The other two tournaments he did well at were challengers back in April...on clay, I believe.

Again...yes, Nico shouldn't have played.

But to think that Paul is going to do any better is mindboggling. :lol:

Maybe yes...but a good chance no.

As for Nico, he hasn't won a match in hard since Sunrise CH in march, so at least I'm saying that Paul had reached better results the recent times.

GonzoFed
09-21-2007, 01:45 AM
These are the results for Nico and Paul during the year. It should be a good barometer to determine who is the better player at the moment and how much you should weight experience vs current form.


Massu campaign 2007 (http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=M655)

Capdeville campaign 2007 (http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=C634)

krakenzero
09-21-2007, 01:48 AM
Last 10 matches:

Paul Capdeville: 6-4
Nicolas Massu: 2-8

Even Gonzalez is 5-5...

NicoFan
09-21-2007, 01:55 AM
Then maybe Paul should have played instead of Fernando. ;)

You know, if Paul had played and lost, you all would have been saying...what an idiot Hans is. Paul is inexperienced, and Nico while having a bad year, he has tons and tons of DC experience. What was Hans thinking...

Hindsight has 20/20 vision.

Someone said that Nico should never play DC again for Chile.

THAT I agree with.

But for an entirely different reason. :rolleyes: :lol:

GlennMirnyi
09-21-2007, 03:02 AM
Massu sucks. Stop with all the excuses.

TMJordan
09-21-2007, 03:04 AM
Massu sucks. Stop with all the excuses.

Yes, quite simple.

Sela > Massu, not a really big surprise here.

Also Okun can definatly beat this mug, lets hope at least.

bad gambler
09-21-2007, 03:04 AM
I guess his backhand was working today

GlennMirnyi
09-21-2007, 03:08 AM
Yes, quite simple.

Sela > Massu, not a really big surprise here.

Also Okun can definatly beat this mug, lets hope at least.

Let's hope Massu plays the 5th, then Israel will definitely win.

TMJordan
09-21-2007, 03:12 AM
Let's hope Massu plays the 5th, then Israel will definitely win.

Yep forsure, Okun already pasted Massu back in 04(3 and 4) on the hardcourts at Cincy when Massu was top 40.

Okun > Massu

GlennMirnyi
09-21-2007, 03:16 AM
Yep forsure, Okun already pasted Massu back in 04(3 and 4) on the hardcourts at Cincy when Massu was top 40.

Okun > Massu

Summing up: Massu sucks.

TMJordan
09-21-2007, 03:20 AM
Summing up: Massu sucks.

:worship:

Medina
09-21-2007, 03:20 AM
I wayched this match, after seeing the first set, i said to myself that nico would not get any form, and i new he was going to loose.

Nico whats happening :( you had no rythem of your serve

Action Jackson
09-21-2007, 05:09 AM
Good win for "the Dude" and it makes the tie interesting and sets things up and the DC environment can bring the best and worst out of players.

I am not surprised that there is a call for Capdeville to play a live 5th match after this result, but he's in a no-win situation if he is called into it and I agree with shotgun, if anything he should have played today.

World Beater
09-21-2007, 05:34 AM
dunno what happened to massu. Once upon a time he was a good young player who took agassi to 4 sets at a HC slam.

Merton
09-21-2007, 07:47 AM
Great result but I hope Chile wins the tie.

Coriafan
09-21-2007, 08:02 AM
Ok I met yesterday Massu's brother and let me tell you,
Nicolas has the hottest brother in the world!!!!!!
And I have a pic with him :D :D

cobalt60
09-21-2007, 11:53 AM
Ok I met yesterday Massu's brother and let me tell you,
Nicolas has the hottest brother in the world!!!!!!
And I have a pic with him :D :D

And he plays tennis too but not as well;) Enjoy yourself:p

Action Jackson
09-21-2007, 12:47 PM
And he plays tennis too but not as well;) Enjoy yourself:p

Seems Stefano Massu has a lot of support.

cobalt60
09-21-2007, 01:02 PM
Seems Stefano Massu has a lot of support.

From his mother for sure:p

Action Jackson
09-21-2007, 01:08 PM
From his mother for sure:p

He isn't annoying and Nico is back in the Jewish homeland.

cobalt60
09-21-2007, 01:13 PM
He isn't annoying and Nico is back in the Jewish homeland.

Well they were raised as Christians so they can feel at home there as well;)