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Federer to Play Estoril – With Paris on his Mind

rofe
09-18-2007, 07:45 PM
This is an interesting development. Thanks to meninosantos for posting it in the Fed forum.

http://www.estorilopen.net/1/en/news/2007/federer.asp

Federer to Play Estoril – With Paris on his Mind

Swiss World Number One Adds Extra Clay Court Event to his 2008 Schedule

ATP World No. 1 Roger Federer is to play at the Estoril Open, between April 14-20, 2008, tournament director João Lagos revealed on Tuesday, September 18.

For the first time in five years, the Swiss star will add an extra clay court event to his European spring schedule. The ultimate goal: getting the best competitive preparation possible on the surface in order to have a better shot at the Roland Garros title – the only Grand Slam crown that has eluded him.

“When I saw Roger win the US Open in 2004, I was pretty much sure he was already playing the best, most complete game I had ever seen in my life”, said João Lagos, a former Portuguese champion. “Since then, he has consistently proven that he is the greatest player ever. Statistically, he is yet to surpass Sampras' Grand Slam tally; tennis-wise, Roger is already the best and no-one can argue against the stratospheric level of play he’s shown in the past years. I hope the Estoril Open can help Roger get the Roland Garros title missing in his resumé, and I am proud that he chose our tournament to complement his schedule.”

The last time Federer participated in a non-ATP Masters Series event on clay was at Gstaad in July 2004, the week after he captured his second Wimbledon title.

Novak Djokovic captured the 2007 Estoril Open title, beating Richard Gasquet in the final.

The event is traditionally a cradle for future French Open champions: Sergi Bruguera, Thomas Muster, Albert Costa and Juan Carlos Ferrero won in Portugal before going on to succeed in Paris – even Gustavo Kuerten (1997) and Gaston Gaudio (2004) won the doubles at the Estoril Open the same year they lifted the Roland Garros singles crown.

David Nalbandian, Nikolay Davydenko, Carlos Moya, Gaston Gaudio, Juan Ignacio Chela, Alex Corretja, Alberto Berasategui, Andrei Medvedev, Carlos Costa and Emilio Sanchez are also among the tournament winners’ circle.

The Estoril Open is a combined ATP and Sony Ericsson WTA Tour event.

scarecrows
09-18-2007, 07:48 PM
wow, this was unexpected

i dont see him playing 4 tournaments before RG though, probably he'll skip Hamburg is he does well in Rome

Johnny Groove
09-18-2007, 07:50 PM
wow, this was unexpected

i dont see him playing 4 tournaments before RG though, probably he'll skip Hamburg is he does well in Rome

I thought he would do that this year, but the Volandri loss changed up everything :shrug:

l_mac
09-18-2007, 08:04 PM
Hamburg will likely have a poor field in its last year as a top event because of the (seemingly) inexplicable shortening of the European clay season next year.

Interesting move from Federer.

R.Federer
09-18-2007, 08:05 PM
That's great. I hope Estoril didn't have to fork out a lot of appearance money and this was Roger initiated.

He's probably finally realized that Hamburg clay is not a lot like Paris's. :shrug: I hope Estoril's is.

R.Federer
09-18-2007, 08:06 PM
Hamburg will likely have a poor field in its last year as a top event because of the (seemingly) inexplicable shortening of the European clay season next year.

Interesting move from Federer.
Has that been confirmed, about its last year? Last news was that there was a court case on ATP's hands

l_mac
09-18-2007, 08:10 PM
Has that been confirmed, about its last year? Last news was that there was a court case on ATP's hands


Don't know, but Madrid had its place on the most recent 2009 calendar we were discussing here.

Sommarsverige
09-18-2007, 08:15 PM
Has that been confirmed, about its last year? Last news was that there was a court case on ATP's hands

I am quite sure it hasn´t been confirmed yet. At least there have been articles in the local Hamburg press at the end of last week which said that this will be taken to court.

LeChuck
09-18-2007, 08:33 PM
Federer has finally realised that once he hangs up his racket, he is going to be primarily judged on how many titles he has won at the prestigious Estoril, and not at minor tournaments like Wimbledon or the US Open. Will the man from Basel be able to win the Estoril title twice during the remainder of his career, and enter the realms of greatness alongside Nalbandian, Muster and Carlos Costa?

Whistleway
09-18-2007, 08:40 PM
Great move.

Several of us were clamoring for such a change to his schedule since 2006.

Hamburg does him no good. I really wished he would have picked Barcelona though. He ain't gonna win FO without the opportunity to play Nadal as many times as possible on clay. I would also expect Roger skip Miami next year.

CyBorg
09-18-2007, 08:45 PM
We'll see what happens. I'm flabbergasted as to why Federer seemed so lassez-faire during the clay court season this year. He made virtually no progress, seemed distracted and for an unexplained reasons spent much of the time revving up his serving speed like he was practicing for the grass season.

I speculate that Tony Roche left partly due to Roger's insistence upon utilizing his serve to win cheap points in order to avoid long rallies. I think that Roche was smart to realize that this wouldn't work on clay and that Roger needed to do more work on the timing of his groundstrokes as well as his movement.

I don't know if Estoril is going to help Roger. His approach is all wrong - the playing time he's been getting is enough.

fmolinari2005
09-18-2007, 09:06 PM
We'll see what happens. I'm flabbergasted as to why Federer seemed so lassez-faire during the clay court season this year. He made virtually no progress, seemed distracted and for an unexplained reasons spent much of the time revving up his serving speed like he was practicing for the grass season.

I speculate that Tony Roche left partly due to Roger's insistence upon utilizing his serve to win cheap points in order to avoid long rallies. I think that Roche was smart to realize that this wouldn't work on clay and that Roger needed to do more work on the timing of his groundstrokes as well as his movement.

I don't know if Estoril is going to help Roger. His approach is all wrong - the playing time he's been getting is enough.

I wouldnt say that his approach to the clay season was wrong. I agree that he didnt play a great clay court season, but, lets face it: he was playing poorly before, at Miami and IW. So, the mere fact that he was able to reach finals and win on title on clay was an improvement from his early form during those hard court tournaments at the US. However, I agree with you: compared to last year, he didnt improve much indeed.

Btw: I would change the sentece "his approach to the clay season was wrong" to "his approach to playing Nadal was all wrong". Actually, Roger's clay season was pretty good. Aside the freaky defeat to Volandri, Roger lost only to Nadal on clay. How many players reached three finals on major tournaments on clay, winning one tournament?! So, saying that Roger's approach to clay court was all wrong this year is a bit too much.

And if you think that Roger needs to work on the timing of his groundstrokes on clay, playing one tournament more would help him on that, wouldnt it?!

Rogiman
09-18-2007, 09:12 PM
Great move.

Several of us were clamoring for such a change to his schedule since 2006.

Hamburg does him no good. I really wished he would have picked Barcelona though. He ain't gonna win FO without the opportunity to play Nadal as many times as possible on clay. I would also expect Roger skip Miami next year.I agree on all accounts bar Barcelona.

Estoril usually has a great field for a MM event, and beating some of the players there would be a real confidence builder without the pressure of losing one more time to Nadal before RG.

I don't like his chances at the French though.

FedFan_2007
09-18-2007, 09:14 PM
Fantastic. Nole/Roger final at Estoril, with Nole as heavy favorite.

l_mac
09-18-2007, 09:15 PM
Fantastic. Nole/Roger final at Estoril, with Nole as heavy favorite.


:lol: You're crazy.

World Beater
09-18-2007, 09:21 PM
I'm not too sure about this.

Federer plays enough clay tournaments, and he should concentrate on playing the three masters series.

people underestimate the value of hamburg when it comes to roger's confidence on clay. Yes, its not the same clay but confidence is so key especially to federer who was playing poorly by his standards in the tournaments preceding hamburg bar AO. If federer hadn't played hamburg, he might have lost in straight sets to nadal.

I really dont see the value of playing more tournaments on clay when he's beating everyone else up handily but losing to nadal. Play barcelona instead if you want a crack at nadal.

MariaV
09-18-2007, 09:23 PM
I don't like his chances at the French though.

:awww:

the stratospheric level of play he’s shown in the past years
:worship: :bowdown:
the 2004 USO final looked much more stratospheric from him indeed than this year's final :lol: one of the worst GS finals I've ever seen

Rogiman
09-18-2007, 09:25 PM
:awww:
:retard:

MariaV
09-18-2007, 09:29 PM
:retard:

:confused:

R.Federer
09-18-2007, 09:29 PM
the 2004 USO final looked much more stratospheric from him indeed than this year's final :lol: one of the worst GS finals I've ever seen

Another straight sets win. Same deal, different script. :shrug:

Johnny Groove
09-18-2007, 09:30 PM
Great move.

Several of us were clamoring for such a change to his schedule since 2006.

Hamburg does him no good. I really wished he would have picked Barcelona though. He ain't gonna win FO without the opportunity to play Nadal as many times as possible on clay. I would also expect Roger skip Miami next year.

Why would he skip Miami?

:confused:

I think you meant to say this:

:sad: :confused:

Rogiman
09-18-2007, 09:31 PM
Why would he skip Miami?
Too many Rafatards :p

Johnny Groove
09-18-2007, 09:32 PM
Too many Rafatards :p

But, but, he can make up points there :sad: :confused:

And Miami is basically clay anyway :rolleyes:

MariaV
09-18-2007, 09:33 PM
Another straight sets win. Same deal, different script. :shrug:

The first match made me drop my jaw and not even blink my eyes, the second one .... let's say it was top class choking and an error-fest from both sides, painful and boring to watch :shrug:

rofe
09-18-2007, 09:33 PM
I'm not too sure about this.

Federer plays enough clay tournaments, and he should concentrate on playing the three masters series.

people underestimate the value of hamburg when it comes to roger's confidence on clay. Yes, its not the same clay but confidence is so key especially to federer who was playing poorly by his standards in the tournaments preceding hamburg bar AO. If federer hadn't played hamburg, he might have lost in straight sets to nadal.

I really dont see the value of playing more tournaments on clay when he's beating everyone else up handily but losing to nadal. Play barcelona instead if you want a crack at nadal.

I don't know about him playing Barcelona. It might actually undermine his confidence if he loses to Nadal (and there is a very good chance of that happening since it is also Nadal's home turf).

His preparation took a hit last year because he lost early in Rome. He is probably more realistic about early loses during the clay season going forward so adding a MM tournament to his schedule might actually be insurance against early loses in MC or Rome. Hamburg has been good to him but I am pretty sure he realizes that the conditions and clay are quite different from RG.

MariaV
09-18-2007, 09:35 PM
I think you meant to say this:

:sad: :confused:

Whatever Jonathan! :kiss: Is your knee better? :hug:

Allure
09-18-2007, 09:36 PM
Federer wants a piece of Djokovic. :devil:

Johnny Groove
09-18-2007, 09:40 PM
Whatever Jonathan! :kiss: Is your knee better? :hug:

It is fine about 75% of the time. But there is still that 25% like going up and down stairs, or getting up, or basically whenever i put any wieght on the left knee, its painful. I mean, i can function normally, and i can play tennis, but its just that i know there is something wrong, and im afraid i'm gonna mistep or something and fuck it up even worse. :shrug:

then there are those days when walking is painful :o

World Beater
09-18-2007, 09:41 PM
I don't know about him playing Barcelona. It might actually undermine his confidence if he loses to Nadal (and there is a very good chance of that happening since it is also Nadal's home turf).

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I dont believe in this stuff. If things go as scheduled, federer will play nadal at least twice during the clay season. If federer is afraid of losing to nadal, then dont play any clay tournaments with nadal in them.

one additional match isn't going to change much. He's already lost 5 or 6 times to nadal on clay?

Federer should be the one who wants another crack at nadal. If he doesn't, then he isn't the competitor I thought he was.



His preparation took a hit last year because he lost early in Rome. He is probably more realistic about early loses during the clay season going forward so adding a MM tournament to his schedule might actually be insurance against early loses in MC or Rome. Hamburg has been good to him but I am pretty sure he realizes that the conditions and clay are quite different from RG.


This is a more realistic explanation. But even if he reached Rome finals, he would have probably lost in Hamburg early anyway. So its not like he would have played any additional matches.

rome clay isnt that similar to RG either. Better correlation than hamburg, but MC is the preliminary exam.

MatchFederer
09-18-2007, 09:41 PM
I think this is a decent move but I would have preferred for Federer to play Barcelona, despite the fact that he would probably have to play Nadal in the finals. I think he should meet Nadal as often as possible before RG.

"I don't know about him playing Barcelona. It might actually undermine his confidence if he loses to Nadal (and there is a very good chance of that happening since it is also Nadal's home turf)." - I think Federer needs to take his losses on the chin and just use every single positive he can muster from his matches with Nadal.. there is no reason why Federer can't actually gain in strength from this possible scenario... also, a win in Barcelona against Nadal on his home turf would be spectacular; potential double edged sword?

fmolinari2005
09-18-2007, 09:42 PM
I don't know about him playing Barcelona. It might actually undermine his confidence if he loses to Nadal (and there is a very good chance of that happening since it is also Nadal's home turf).

His preparation took a hit last year because he lost early in Rome. He is probably more realistic about early loses during the clay season going forward so adding a MM tournament to his schedule might actually be insurance against early loses in MC or Rome. Hamburg has been good to him but I am pretty sure he realizes that the conditions and clay are quite different from RG.


That would be a good explanation. And maybe Roger is feeling like going all in next season.

Anyway. I still think that Roger is having a good preparation for the FO. He is beating most opponents easily on clay, except Nadal. So, I dont see many things wrong with his preparation for the clay season per se, more with his game plan/ execution against Rafael.

Johnny Groove
09-18-2007, 09:43 PM
I remmeber Roddick once saying something like: "I dont care if the H2H is 30-1, I want another shot at him" regarding Federer. Perhaps Federer doesnt feel the same regarding Nadal :shrug:

R.Federer
09-18-2007, 09:44 PM
It is fine about 75% of the time. But there is still that 25% like going up and down stairs, or getting up, or basically whenever i put any wieght on the left knee, its painful. I mean, i can function normally, and i can play tennis, but its just that i know there is something wrong, and im afraid i'm gonna mistep or something and fuck it up even worse. :shrug:

then there are those days when walking is painful :o

Is that you Rafa?!

World Beater
09-18-2007, 09:44 PM
I remmeber Roddick once saying something like: "I dont care if the H2H is 30-1, I want another shot at him" regarding Federer. Perhaps Federer doesnt feel the same :shrug:

respect to roddick.

Johnny Groove
09-18-2007, 09:44 PM
Is that you Rafa?!

No, thats his right knee :p

MatchFederer
09-18-2007, 09:46 PM
Decoy!

Rogiman
09-18-2007, 09:48 PM
It is fine about 75% of the time. But there is still that 25% like going up and down stairs, or getting up, or basically whenever i put any wieght on the left knee, its painful. I mean, i can function normally, and i can play tennis, but its just that i know there is something wrong, and im afraid i'm gonna mistep or something and fuck it up even worse. :shrug:

then there are those days when walking is painful :oTry this (http://www.edizionimartina.com/edizioni_martina/DettagliTesti/273.asp) guy

rofe
09-18-2007, 09:52 PM
I dont believe in this stuff. If things go as scheduled, federer will play nadal at least twice during the clay season. If federer is afraid of losing to nadal, then dont play any clay tournaments with nadal in them.


one additional match isn't going to change much. He's already lost 5 or 6 times to nadal on clay?



Federer should be the one who wants another crack at nadal. If he doesn't, then he isn't the competitor I thought he was.



Playing the TMS is mandatory so he has no control over who he meets. Playing Barcelona is basically additional pressure because it is Nadal's turf so why would he take on added pressure when he is simply preparing for RG? Federer wants to become one with the mud and not necessarily play the best as a tuneup for clay tennis.



This is a more realistic explanation. But even if he reached Rome finals, he would have probably lost in Hamburg early anyway. So its not like he would have played any additional matches.

rome clay isnt that similar to RG either. Better correlation than hamburg, but MC is the preliminary exam.

Rome is better than Hamburg as you yourself point out but skipping Hamburg has an additional advantage that he can practice in PC much earlier and get used to the conditions.

Johnny Groove
09-18-2007, 09:52 PM
Try this (http://www.edizionimartina.com/edizioni_martina/DettagliTesti/273.asp) guy

I dont get it :sad: :confused:

Rogiman
09-18-2007, 09:57 PM
I dont get it :sad: :confused:The Laser Doctor (duh :rolleyes: )

decrepitude
09-18-2007, 09:58 PM
Isn't that the lazer doc who was treating Nadal and others?

Rogiman
09-18-2007, 09:59 PM
Isn't that the lazer doc who was treating Nadal and others?Thank you.

World Beater
09-18-2007, 10:00 PM
Playing the TMS is mandatory so he has no control over who he meets. Playing Barcelona is basically additional pressure because it is Nadal's turf so why would he take on added pressure when he is simply preparing for RG? Federer wants to become one with the mud and not necessarily play the best as a tuneup for clay tennis.

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I understand where you are coming from and this might well be what roger is thinking, but i don't think its the right mentality. Federer should want to play nadal, not try to avoid him. In fact, in 2006 federer said many times he wanted to beat nadal in the final or else it wouldnt be the same winning RG without playing the best.

A few losses later (2007), and now he confesses that it doesn't matter whether its nadal or anyone else in the final and that he would prefer to play someone else other than rafa. It's not the same confident Federer.

The pressure to win RG is there, but I don't see the pressure to win against nadal anywhere else. Everyone expects roger to lose anyways. I dont want to believe roger's ego is that fragile.


playing more on PC is definately a good reason to skip hamburg provided he does well in the other two clay tournies.

Fee
09-18-2007, 10:01 PM
That's great. I hope Estoril didn't have to fork out a lot of appearance money and this was Roger initiated.

He's probably finally realized that Hamburg clay is not a lot like Paris's. :shrug: I hope Estoril's is.

If it's announced this early, it usually means a contract was signed and appearance money is involved.

Great move.

Several of us were clamoring for such a change to his schedule since 2006.

Hamburg does him no good. I really wished he would have picked Barcelona though. He ain't gonna win FO without the opportunity to play Nadal as many times as possible on clay. I would also expect Roger skip Miami next year.

You really expect Roger to skip a high point, mandatory Masters event? :sad: :confused:

Federer wants a piece of Djokovic. :devil:

But only to make Rafa jealous.

:sad: :confused:

this is becoming an MTF cliche, right up there with 'never in doubt' and 'expected result' :lol:

rofe
09-18-2007, 10:06 PM
I understand where you are coming from and this might well be what roger is thinking, but i don't think its the right mentality. Federer should want to play nadal, not try to avoid him. In fact, in 2006 federer said many times he wanted to beat nadal in the final or else it wouldnt be the same winning RG without playing the best.

A few losses later (2007), and now he confesses that it doesn't matter whether its nadal or anyone else in the final and that he would prefer to play someone else other than rafa. It's not the same confident Federer.

The pressure to win RG is there, but I don't see the pressure to win against nadal anywhere else. Everyone expects roger to lose anyways. I dont want to believe roger's ego is that fragile.


playing more on PC is definately a good reason to skip hamburg provided he does well in the other two clay tournies.

To be honest, that irked me too but I can put a positive spin on that ;) . If that statement can be made to mean that he has nothing to lose if he finds himself in the final with Nadal as his opponent then he may loosen up and pull a rabbit out of his hat.

Johnny Groove
09-18-2007, 10:07 PM
The Laser Doctor (duh :rolleyes: )

oh. :lol:

He's out of my price range :p

World Beater
09-18-2007, 10:08 PM
To be honest, that irked me too but I can put a positive spin on that ;) . If that statement can be made to mean that he has nothing to lose if he finds himself in the final with Nadal as his opponent then he may loosen up and pull a rabbit out of his hat.

Federer's greatest magic trick.

Beating nadal in the RG final.

Hopefully, its not an illusion. :tape:

Eden
09-18-2007, 10:13 PM
Surprising decision from Roger.

He knows best what he is doing but I really dont see the point of playing more tournaments on clay. How can this help him for his match-up against Nadal on this surface? He normally beats everyone apart from Rafa on clay anyway.

Somehow I can't see Roger really playing 4 claycourt tournaments before RG,
unless he has one or two performances as he had against Volandri in Rome.

tennisgal_001
09-18-2007, 10:18 PM
For the past 2 seasons, all of Fed's losses on clay have come to Nadal (with the exception of the freak-incident againt Volandri). I don't see how playing Estoril is going to help him in any way. Putting Hamburg aside, Fed gets enough preparation in MC and Rome. He wins soundly for the most part but always ends up losing to Nadal. I'd say if there is something he needs to change it's not his pre-RG schedule, but his approach to Rafa's game on clay. Playing Estoril won't add anything to his arsenal.

Rogiman
09-18-2007, 10:19 PM
Surprising decision from Roger.

He knows best what he is doing but I really dont see the point of playing more tournaments on clay. How can this help him for his match-up against Nadal on this surface? He normally beats everyone apart from Rafa on clay anyway.It's not all about Nadal.

If he's to beat Nadal on clay, he needs to be the best motherfucking claycourter on earth. This year I had the feeling he was winning matches out of inertia, playing well below his level, and thus the (convincing) loss to Nadal in the RG was inevitable.

Hopefully playing decent opponents on real mud will make him a better claycourter.

Johnny Groove
09-18-2007, 10:24 PM
Does anyone see this backfiring?

Like if Federer loses to Gasquet or someone, and the rest of the field gets a bit of a mental edge thinking that "hey, if he (non-Nadal) can beat him, why not me? :shrug:"

It could also hurt Fed's confidence, knowing that if he cant even beat Richie, how will he beat Nadal?

rofe
09-18-2007, 10:28 PM
Does anyone see this backfiring?

Like if Federer loses to Gasquet or someone, and the rest of the field gets a bit of a mental edge thinking that "hey, if he (non-Nadal) can beat him, why not me? :shrug:"

It could also hurt Fed's confidence, knowing that if he cant even beat Richie, how will he beat Nadal?

Sure but then he has to try something different. The last two years haven't really gotten him anywhere with solving the Nadal mystery on clay. He has to try to break his own anti-rhythm. :p

stebs
09-18-2007, 10:35 PM
Does anyone see this backfiring?

Like if Federer loses to Gasquet or someone, and the rest of the field gets a bit of a mental edge thinking that "hey, if he (non-Nadal) can beat him, why not me? :shrug:"

It could also hurt Fed's confidence, knowing that if he cant even beat Richie, how will he beat Nadal?

Federer is not so weak as to let that kill him mentally. He was considered by some a spent force after losing to Canas, Canas, Nadal and Volandri and since then he's won Hamburg, Wimbledon, Cincy and the USO and been runner-up at RG and Montreal.

If bad losses hurt Federer long term then being beat 2 and 4 by VOLANDRI would do the job.

As for other players thinking hey I can beat him. Some already do and still can't get the job done and anyway, it doesn't really matter does it. Assuming Nadal isn't injured Federer is going to have to play well enough to beat him to win RG and if he can't even beat otehr challengers then he isn't going to beat Nadal so it doesn't matter aside from ranking points if he loses to someone else.

Eden
09-18-2007, 10:36 PM
It's not all about Nadal.

If he's to beat Nadal on clay, he needs to be the best motherfucking claycourter on earth. This year I had the feeling he was winning matches out of inertia, playing well below his level, and thus the (convincing) loss to Nadal in the RG was inevitable.

Hopefully playing decent opponents on real mud will make him a better claycourter.

I think Roger played against good opponents on clay during the last tournaments. In Monte Carlo he beat Ferrer and Ferrero convincingly before losing in straights to Rafa. In Hamburg he faced the South armada Monaco, Ferrero, Ferrer and Moya before meeting Nadal. In Paris he had a QF against Robredo and a SF against Kolya.

Roger knows that he is the one who is probably going to be the one to get the job done against Rafa on clay. There is noone out there at the moment who seems to be able to beat Rafa for him on that surface. Their might be one or two players who can challenge Rafa in a best of 3 match on clay, but who could take 3 sets off him in RG?

Jimnik
09-18-2007, 10:55 PM
It's a perfect move because he'll finally get a week's headstart over Nadal on the clay. He clearly feels that Monte-Carlo is the key and if he can beat Nadal there he'll have his nose in front for the rest of the clay season.

Most importantly, whether he wins Roland Garros or not, he'll never want to live with the regret that he didn't do everything he could to accomplish the Grand Slam. And with the Olympics next year he sees an opportunity to win the Golden Slam.

rwn
09-18-2007, 10:59 PM
It remains hilarious how little confidence a lot of Federer fans have in their "hero". He's won 12 slams in little more than 4 years and they don't believe in him whatsoever. Fantastic "fans".

rwn
09-18-2007, 11:01 PM
Does anyone see this backfiring?

Like if Federer loses to Gasquet or someone, and the rest of the field gets a bit of a mental edge thinking that "hey, if he (non-Nadal) can beat him, why not me? :shrug:"

It could also hurt Fed's confidence, knowing that if he cant even beat Richie, how will he beat Nadal?

He's not such a mental midget as Nadal on fast hardcourts, so that won't happen. :wavey:

Allure
09-18-2007, 11:01 PM
Does anyone see this backfiring?

Like if Federer loses to Gasquet or someone, and the rest of the field gets a bit of a mental edge thinking that "hey, if he (non-Nadal) can beat him, why not me? :shrug:"

It could also hurt Fed's confidence, knowing that if he cant even beat Richie, how will he beat Nadal?

:haha: Trust me that won't happen.

megadeth
09-18-2007, 11:10 PM
why not barcelona? playing 3 weeks straight of estoril, rome, then hanburg is nuts

at least with barcelona after monte carlo, he has a little momentum and he can get a week of rest in between before rome

l_mac
09-18-2007, 11:13 PM
Next year it's the week before Monte Carlo.

Barcelona is the week after Monte Carlo, and Rome and Hamburg follow Barcelona. In consecutive weeks. :rolleyes:

megadeth
09-18-2007, 11:14 PM
ah i see... strange schedule this atp has...

Renaud
09-18-2007, 11:24 PM
Ok... so not next year he will play Davis Cup ....

nobama
09-18-2007, 11:25 PM
Federer is not so weak as to let that kill him mentally. He was considered by some a spent force after losing to Canas, Canas, Nadal and Volandri and since then he's won Hamburg, Wimbledon, Cincy and the USO and been runner-up at RG and Montreal.

If bad losses hurt Federer long term then being beat 2 and 4 by VOLANDRI would do the job.

As for other players thinking hey I can beat him. Some already do and still can't get the job done and anyway, it doesn't really matter does it. Assuming Nadal isn't injured Federer is going to have to play well enough to beat him to win RG and if he can't even beat otehr challengers then he isn't going to beat Nadal so it doesn't matter aside from ranking points if he loses to someone else.Exactly. And maybe he added this tournament to his schedule in anticipation of a possible early loss in one or more of the MS events. Why he picked Estoril over Barcelona, who knows. But 2006 and 2007 have proven than playing Nadal prior to RG had no real positive impact on the RG final itself.

Forehander
09-18-2007, 11:38 PM
federer's going to be a monster. I think we will finally see the summit of his potential next year due to all the records he'll be chasing. This for him perhaps might be the final run to become the greatest of all time... Then maybe he'll slack off or take a break for a bit. Then come back playing the olympic lol

megadeth
09-18-2007, 11:53 PM
i believe that 2008 is the fed's real deal year... i've been putting that at the back of my head since 2004 actually...


let's hope he does get the calendar-golden slam next year... with that, he can earn his 5th year ender as #1 and then i'll forgive him for slacking off a bit in 2009...

megadeth
09-18-2007, 11:53 PM
i believe that 2008 is the fed's real deal year... i've been putting that at the back of my head since 2004 actually...


let's hope he does get the calendar-golden slam next year... with that, he can earn his 5th year ender as #1 and then i'll forgive him for slacking off a bit in 2009...

MatchFederer
09-19-2007, 12:02 AM
Slightly optimistic don't you think?

Forehander
09-19-2007, 12:04 AM
Slightly optimistic don't you think?

haha yeh but it'd be interesting to see =)

marcRD
09-19-2007, 12:04 AM
Federer should add some south american tournament in february aswell instead of Dubai which is now just one week before indian wells.
Now that would be a great clay court season preperation. In Monte Carlo he would be completely comfortable and should atleast get to the final.

ranaldo
09-19-2007, 12:13 AM
i believe that 2008 is the fed's real deal year... i've been putting that at the back of my head since 2004 actually...


let's hope he does get the calendar-golden slam next year... with that, he can earn his 5th year ender as #1 and then i'll forgive him for slacking off a bit in 2009...

Well, if he wins 3 slams again, I'll be wowed. 4 would be unreal given Djokovic's thirst for GS (and Nadal's). I don't know what happened btw him and Roche but he seems to have messed up his game badly obsessing over RG, right after Dubai. Unlike all the tennis commentators, I don't think he needs to change his game so much. It's a matter of strategy/good mindset/coach and above all, not giving any freebies.

Farenhajt
09-19-2007, 12:34 AM
If he has devised some makeover of his claycourt game, it's not beyond reason to play a few more tournaments to get that into smooth motion in time before RG. Though personally, I think Rafa's health will be more decisive in Paris than any of so-far-unseen Federer's stratagems.

alfonsojose
09-19-2007, 12:34 AM
For the past 2 seasons, all of Fed's losses on clay have come to Nadal (with the exception of the freak-incident againt Volandri). I don't see how playing Estoril is going to help him in any way. Putting Hamburg aside, Fed gets enough preparation in MC and Rome. He wins soundly for the most part but always ends up losing to Nadal. I'd say if there is something he needs to change it's not his pre-RG schedule, but his approach to Rafa's game on clay. Playing Estoril won't add anything to his arsenal.

:yeah:

alfonsojose
09-19-2007, 12:38 AM
Federer should add some south american tournament in february aswell instead of Dubai which is now just one week before indian wells.
Now that would be a great clay court season preperation. In Monte Carlo he would be completely comfortable and should atleast get to the final.

:lol:

TennisShoulder
09-19-2007, 01:27 AM
Great to see Roger adding to his schedule, rather than shortening it!

Just looking at his schedule in 2003 (his breakthrough year) - and he played Doha, Sydney, Marseille, Rotterdam, Dubai, Munich, Halle, Gstaad, Vienna and Basel, as well as 3 Davis Cup ties!

The following year, of all those tournaments listed, he only played Rotterdam, Dubai, Halle, Gstaad, as well as 2 Davis Cup ties. Additionally, he added Bangkok and the Athens Olympics to his schedule.

Then in 2005, he re-added Doha to his schedule, dropping Gstaad and only playing one Davis Cup tie. Turning to 2006, he added Tokyo and re-added Basel to his schedule, dropping Rotterdam and Bangkok, while playing one Davis Cup tie.

This year, he dropped Halle, but he intends to play Tokyo and Basel, as well as a Davis Cup tie this coming weekend.

As far as I understand it, he intends to play Dubai, Estoril, Halle, Beijing Olympics, Tokyo and Basel next year, as well as some minor participation in the Davis Cup (providing it comes at a convenient time of year schedule-wise).

CyBorg
09-19-2007, 02:03 AM
And if you think that Roger needs to work on the timing of his groundstrokes on clay, playing one tournament more would help him on that, wouldnt it?!

Why not just practice more?

Sunset of Age
09-19-2007, 03:17 AM
If this is indeed true, Fed happens to do just *that* what I expected him to do. I can't help but smile a bit at that. Whatever you do, dearest Rogelio - I'm sure you know best. :angel:

dragons112
09-19-2007, 03:20 AM
What a champ. The surface is not what stops roger from beating rafa - its his unforced errors and low serve percentage along with terrible break point conversion.

Its a mental thing

Daniel
09-19-2007, 04:26 AM
Interesting move. :)
Hopefully it will help him to a better performance at Roland Garros.

Federerhingis
09-19-2007, 05:08 AM
Great move.

Several of us were clamoring for such a change to his schedule since 2006.

Hamburg does him no good. I really wished he would have picked Barcelona though. He ain't gonna win FO without the opportunity to play Nadal as many times as possible on clay. I would also expect Roger skip Miami next year.

I highly doubt it unless he is injured, he will not be skipping Miami; It is and has been a premier event after the slams for over a decade. Besides he'l get fined for not attending it's a mandatory event for both WTA and ATP top players to play.

Bad Religion
09-19-2007, 05:21 AM
Roger has no guts enough to play at Barcelona

Metis
09-19-2007, 06:55 AM
Federer will win everything next year! Slams, Masters Series, Olympic gold and Davis Cup. :rocker2:

:lol:


Seriously, Roger is showing he is determined to give it his all next year (last chance for RG?). It makes sense to play Estoril since it is right before MC (which is the tournament-predictor of the RG champion). ;)

Action Jackson
09-19-2007, 06:58 AM
I will believe it when I see Federer taking the court in Estoril and not before then.

megadeth
09-19-2007, 07:58 AM
i believe that 2008 will be fed's last best chance... 2009 would then be cruise control (meaning not defending everything he wins from the previous year) after winning and breaking the records that matter in 2008,

then 2010 would be the start of the decline until 2012, where fed will say goodbye to us all after the london olympics or tmc

HNCS
09-19-2007, 09:35 AM
I can feel his determination in this move. Great to see. :cool:

nobama
09-19-2007, 11:01 AM
Federer should add some south american tournament in february aswell instead of Dubai which is now just one week before indian wells. Wasn't Dubai the week before IW this year too? :confused:

Labamba
09-19-2007, 11:11 AM
Wasn't Dubai the week before IW this year too? :confused:

yes, it was

IW starts on Friday, so basically there's a week between it and Dubai for the top players

avocadoe
09-19-2007, 11:13 AM
[QUOTE=CyBorg;6037918]

"I speculate that Tony Roche left partly due to Roger's insistence upon utilizing his serve to win cheap points in order to avoid long rallies. I think that Roche was smart to realize that this wouldn't work on clay and that Roger needed to do more work on the timing of his groundstrokes as well as his movement."



thank goodness all that's left of your post to criticise is imagining that "Roche left Federer....". It's clear Federer asked Roche to leave. "I didn't see him loading thre gun," Roche said, surprised at dismissal. Roger was 'laissez faire" because he was so upset and angered by Roche, distracted, undecided, his body and spirit temporarily worn down through rote practices with Roche in silence while issues broiled between them. Maybe some of it was strategy Roger was rejecting but that a small part, I'd think.

dragons112
09-19-2007, 11:21 AM
federers domination will last long. he does not caerry much weight and cos of his slice he doesnt spnd energy he can play till he is thirty five like aggasi - im a biit drunk atm so excuse my typing

jonny84
09-19-2007, 11:24 AM
Good for Portuguese fans I suppose.

An easier field I suppose which could help him have a stab at the title.

dragons112
09-19-2007, 11:39 AM
i thought roche was sackec cos he wasnt a full time coach

HNCS
09-19-2007, 01:16 PM
i thought roche was sackec cos he wasnt a full time coach

to me, the relationship eneded because the spark just wasn't there anymore. it's sort of like when things all go okay, you feel fine. and then suddenly you feel like you don't want to do it anymore. that's my feel anyway.

bruzilio
09-19-2007, 08:41 PM
Good for Portuguese fans I suppose.

An easier field I suppose which could help him have a stab at the title.

It's great for portuguese fans!!:D :D
Besides, Federer knows all about the traditional "You-win-estoril-open-you-win-roland-garros." It happened like that with Ferrero, Muster, Costa, Kafelnikov, Kuerten. He's relying on tradition to take RG 2008 :devil: :devil:

l_mac
09-19-2007, 08:57 PM
The past two years the winner of Estoril has reached the semis at RG - maybe that is Roger's more realistic goal for next year. :devil:

Monteque
09-19-2007, 09:33 PM
They changes the schedule a bit. This year Estoril is after Monte Carlobut for 2008 they rule it before 3 clay AMS tournies. That's why Roget pick it up to his schedule. He wants preparation to clay AMSs and FO. But if he win Estoril, it will cost him Monte Carlo because it's back to back schedule. But he is smart enough to make this decision.

He is capable to win Wimbledon with skipping Halle. Win FO with adding Estoril....why not:)

R.Federer
09-19-2007, 10:26 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eyX9L2g2y6c

:sobbing:

Uhhhhhhh, cringeworthy **shudder**
Dancing lessons needed. And NOT the ballet kind

Fee
09-20-2007, 03:05 AM
We can speculate and postulate on this all we want, but I say there is only a 50-50 chance that he shows up for Estoril anyway. Let's just say he gets to the finals of both Miami and IW again (the fluke of 2007 notwithstanding), even with a week off after Miami (skipping DC) and a week off after Hamburg, I don't see Federer playing 4 of the six weeks before a slam including 3 Masters on clay. Although that's a typical day at the office for Davydenko, that's a LOT of tennis for Fed, and I think he will bail on something.

dragons112
09-20-2007, 03:08 AM
Nadal is not as tuff as it seems. Roger made 60 UNFORCED errors all he has to do is keep theball in play. roger can beat him on any surface in the world why not at roland ?? He has his chances all he has to do is take it - the surface is not what stops roger its roger himself

Dupuis2006
09-20-2007, 04:32 AM
Cool:D

l_mac
09-20-2007, 07:34 AM
Nadal is not as tuff as it seems. Roger made 60 UNFORCED errors all he has to do is keep theball in play. roger can beat him on any surface in the world why not at roland ?? He has his chances all he has to do is take it - the surface is not what stops roger its roger himself


:lol:

:yeah:

FedFan_2007
09-20-2007, 08:04 AM
I guarantee that Roger will play a much cleaner game in 2008 RG, and Nadal might not even make the final.

Mateya
09-20-2007, 08:51 AM
Great :D Just amazing for Portugese

Do whatever it takes, win this RG finally and make history :worship: .

I hope he does it, he deserves one Paris title and I am not a Fedtard :)

Rogiman
09-20-2007, 09:38 AM
Nadal is not as tuff as it seems. Roger made 60 UNFORCED errors all he has to do is keep theball in play. roger can beat him on any surface in the world why not at roland ?? He has his chances all he has to do is take it - the surface is not what stops roger its roger himselfShut up already you tard...

I bet you're another R=FK account made to mock Federer fans...

dragons112
09-20-2007, 11:11 AM
no you idiot i dont even no what fk means. ROger will win 2008 roland garros

nobama
09-20-2007, 11:21 AM
I guarantee that Roger will play a much cleaner game in 2008 RG, and Nadal might not even make the final.:retard:

Corey Feldman
09-26-2007, 06:29 PM
Here's an idea..

maybe Fed is actually gonna try and fill his 5 optionals next year unlike this year and his farce of a schudule...

he'll end this year having played 3, and even then he should skip Basel and make sure he plays Paris for once.

i bet anything he skips Paris yet again this year and Pioline should ban him for life from it if he does.

Rog :rolleyes:

rofe
09-26-2007, 07:17 PM
Here's an idea..

maybe Fed is actually gonna try and fill his 5 optionals next year unlike this year and his farce of a schudule...

he'll end this year having played 3, and even then he should skip Basel and make sure he plays Paris for once.

i bet anything he skips Paris yet again this year and Pioline should ban him for life from it if he does.

Rog :rolleyes:

He probably could fill his options if the changed schedule in 2008 allows it and we may even see him in Paris next year. This year will be the same old story - if he does well in Madrid and Basel forget about Paris.

NikolaBGD
09-26-2007, 10:23 PM
That is bad decision!

I watched Estoril this year, there are lot of wind, nasty condition for play...