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Surprise surprise visiting team complains about home court in Davis Cup clash

Action Jackson
09-18-2007, 08:10 AM
Well, it wouldn't be Davis Cup, if there weren't complaints about the surface from the away team.

- It's too dry.
- It's too wet.
- The balls are heavy.
- There is a downhill slope at one end of the court.
- It's too fast/slow.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/tennis/flu-surface-tension-riles-team-before-cup-clash/2007/09/17/1189881433386.html

Flu, surface tension riles team before cup clash

AUSTRALIAN captain John Fitzgerald has condemned as unplayable the makeshift court surface being prepared for this week's crucial Davis Cup tie with Serbia and said the match referee may have to intervene.

Led by Lleyton Hewitt, the unfancied Australians had their first practice session inside Belgrade's enormous Beogradska Arena — and it was anything but pretty.

Hewitt and Fitzgerald were dismayed at the diabolical state of the drop-in claycourt to be used for the world group play-off, starting on Friday.

Moist underfoot and easily scuffed up, the court resembled a grassless backyard cricket pitch as the bounce of the balls continually befuddled Hewitt and teammates Paul Hanley, Chris Guccione and Peter Luczak.

At one point, Hewitt cried "Oh my God" as he was stopped in his tracks when a section of the baseline caved in. He stood hands on hips and shaking his head as a courtside repairman rushed to hammer the line back down.

When the practice match resumed and Luczak asked the score, Hewitt replied wryly: "Three craters to one."

But Fitzgerald, already suffering from the flu, did not see the funny side. "As it is now, it's not playable," he said. "It's got a bit of improving to do. I don't know how quickly they can improve it."

The court was laid only last week and Fitzgerald was hopeful it would dry out in the coming days. If it didn't, Fitzgerald warned "it's up to the referee", Englishman Mike Morrisey, to solve the issue.

"I think it will improve … it would be highly unlikely that they would end up with a product that's not good enough to play on," Fitzgerald said. "But it's got to be good enough."

The disgruntled visitors have been given the option of practising on another indoor claycourt nearby, but Fitzgerald said that wouldn't do.

"All we want to do is get somewhere where we can hit, but you want to play on the match court because then you play in the atmosphere," he said.

Encountering a problematic playing surface on their first official day of practice together was the last thing the Australians needed with Fitzgerald, coach Darren Cahill and hitting partner Alun Jones all sick. Cahill and Jones were unable to attend training due to illness.

The Serbs, to be led by world No. 3 and recent US Open runner-up Novak Djokovic, firmed as favourites when No. 2 singles player Janko Tipsarevic — who had been in doubt with a torn rib muscle — declared he would be fit.

"You talk to the locals here and they think it's a foregone conclusion. But we don't mind that," Fitzgerald said. "We're happy to be … the underdogs."

Australia would be relegated to the Asia-Oceania qualifying zone for the first time in a decade if it lost and Serbia would be promoted to the world group for the first time as an independent nation.

patrik77
09-18-2007, 08:27 AM
In Gothenbourg Roddick screamed "fuck I don´t wanna be here" and broke his racket. The American team has problems with the low bounce on the fast surface

Action Jackson
09-18-2007, 08:38 AM
Hei Patrik

Yes, some people think the Americans are just going to walkover the Swedes, but this is an ice rink like the old indoor days and rallies aren't going to be an issue.

I mean it's like when teams go to Argentina, they are going to expect heavy clay, but that's part of the challenge of playing.

Horatio Caine
09-18-2007, 08:43 AM
:haha: This is priceless!

Thanks for the news guys. At least with Wimbledon Court 1 the Croats know what they'll be getting (weather permitting :mad: ). :tape:

Auscon
09-18-2007, 08:56 AM
Who cares if the court is shit....both teams are playing on the same surface so that's all that matters

lazyman
09-18-2007, 09:03 AM
lol lleyton is funny. i cant believe something like that would happen how could such a big event be so badly prepared.

baghdatis
09-18-2007, 09:31 AM
I don't care. I just want to see some nice tennis on tv

refero*fervens
09-18-2007, 09:36 AM
At one point, Hewitt cried "Oh my God" as he was stopped in his tracks when a section of the baseline caved in. He stood hands on hips and shaking his head as a courtside repairman rushed to hammer the line back down.


:lol: Can't wait to see this spectacle :lol:

patrik77
09-18-2007, 11:42 AM
A shame that you can´t watch Davis Cup live through web-streaming, to choose which tie you wanna see etc, like you can on the Masters Series. This is 2007 and still it is like it is!!

Jimnik
09-18-2007, 11:58 AM
A shame that you can´t watch Davis Cup live through web-streaming, to choose which tie you wanna see etc, like you can on the Masters Series. This is 2007 and still it is like it is!!
Indeed, I would love to see interactive coverage of Davis Cup with match choice. I don't see why it isn't possible especially if it could generate important revenue for the ITF and small Davis Cup countries, like Peru and Slovakia.

Forehander
09-18-2007, 12:20 PM
lol. who cares, just play on it. Not everybody is lucky enough to play on perfectly rendered courts so stop whinging.

Apemant
09-18-2007, 01:38 PM
When the practice match resumed and Luczak asked the score, Hewitt replied wryly: "Three craters to one."


:haha:

Deboogle!.
09-18-2007, 02:03 PM
In Gothenbourg Roddick screamed "fuck I don´t wanna be here" and broke his racket. The American team has problems with the low bounce on the fast surface:lol: Andy screams, swears, and breaks his racquet no matter where or on what surface he's practicing :haha: He's an angel in his matches compared to how nutty he is in practice. This isn't new, I've seen him do it with my own eyes on US hardcourts :lol:

as for the Aus/Serb tie, if the court's as bad as that article makes it out to be (which it probably isn't), I don't see the problem in complaining about it - the home team has the right to make a court that gives them an advantage, but it should at least be of a minimal playable quality :shrug: Plus I wouldn't think a really shitty court would help the Serbs either - unpredictable bounces and slopes and crazy stuff like that don't really help anyone except those who can get used to it more :shrug:

Neely
09-18-2007, 02:09 PM
You can complain about many things. You have to deal with the speed and surface characertistics the home team is giving you, but some things such as irregularities, unevenness, holes or even deep craters in the court shouldn't be too outstanding and the court should be laid at least semi-professionally. Somebody who wants to play Davis Cup on a level like these guys should be able to provide at least that and thus put enough effort into it to be good and serious host.

Experimentee
09-18-2007, 02:28 PM
This is tennis at the highest level, the least they can do is provide courts with no craters that dont fall apart. I thought tennis was big in Serbia now, and they cannot invest in good courts? The team has a right to complain if the court is so bad that it cannot be played on.

Björki
09-18-2007, 02:29 PM
In Gothenbourg Roddick screamed "fuck I don´t wanna be here" and broke his racket. The American team has problems with the low bounce on the fast surface
:p

ReturnWinner
09-18-2007, 02:45 PM
yeah Roddick should have problems playing from the baseline but anyway with his massive serve and that hyper ultra fast indoor court he should be very very difficult to break, too bad Toad can not play :sad:

Farenhajt
09-18-2007, 04:35 PM
Apparently Serbian players aren't satisfied as well. It seems that ventilation wasn't satisfactory and that the air in the Arena is too humid. The organizers will deploy 12 huge air-conditioning devices, which should dry the court till Friday.

Pea
09-18-2007, 05:00 PM
The excuses are flying in before they even play.

aussie_fan
09-18-2007, 10:16 PM
Well, the court sounds like it's one of our bad quality en-tour-cas courts you would get locally, the line shouldn't be cracking for a tie like this.

R.Federer
09-18-2007, 10:23 PM
- It's too dry
- It's too wet.
- The balls are heavy.
- There is a downhill slope at one end of the court.
- It's too fast/slow.


Is it that swimming pool in Serbia in which Ivanovic was trained? :haha:

Wet, with a slope. Sounds like it :D

Johnny Groove
09-18-2007, 10:27 PM
We shouldnt be surprised with away teams complaining of the home court, but things like baselines caving in and manholes in the court :rolleyes: is where one must draw the line

ezekiel
09-18-2007, 11:34 PM
So true.:wavey:

spiteful and humorless croat, nothing new really but when bashing serbs to boost your fledgling ego try to at least have an argument not just piling on some troll that just registered

Is it that swimming pool in Serbia in which Ivanovic was trained? :haha:

Wet, with a slope. Sounds like it :D

Yeah here is some humor finally , well I can't say much but it's a big and new areana with 20k+ seats that hosted many different events including international events in many sports particularly basketball so I have to assume they know to do things

We shouldnt be surprised with away teams complaining of the home court, but things like baselines caving in and manholes in the court :rolleyes: is where one must draw the line

I am surprised with whining when match hasn't started and is far away from starting really

World Beater
09-19-2007, 12:51 AM
i would like to see a tie played on CEMENT, or concrete.

Deboogle!.
09-19-2007, 03:24 AM
In Gothenbourg Roddick screamed "fuck I don´t wanna be here" and broke his racket. The American team has problems with the low bounce on the fast surfacedoesn't sound like complaining to me :lol:
http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=45620

Magenta
09-19-2007, 07:31 AM
Is it that swimming pool in Serbia in which Ivanovic was trained? :haha:

Wet, with a slope. Sounds like it :D

No you tool, its Belgrade arena, possibly the biggest arena in Southern Europe.

On the other hand, I wasn't too happy to hear it hadn't dried properly because of the ventilation, at that point it really sounded like it was in a shitty state.

But I'm sure it will come together by Friday and even if it has Little Aussie Battler™ will no doubt complain anyway.

fabolous
09-19-2007, 07:52 AM
surprise, surprise: germany also bitching about the russian court ;) :

http://www.sportal.de/sportal/generated/article/tennis/2007/09/18/7431100000.html

haas: it's not the court you'd like to have, it's extremely soft.
mayer: the court is a disgrace. maybe they did it intentionally to make thommy angry (:lol: of course they did!)

tarpischew: the court gets better every day and will be fine friday.

Action Jackson
09-19-2007, 07:54 AM
Thanks for that link fab. The joys of Davis Cup.

Grofica
09-19-2007, 12:10 PM
Well what I heard from local medias is that Serbian Tennis Federation hired some austrian company to put clay and they told that is same company in charge for FO :shrug:

lazyman
09-19-2007, 01:31 PM
Well what I heard from local medias is that Serbian Tennis Federation hired some austrian company to put clay and they told that is same company in charge for FO :shrug:

its not about the quality of the materials but about the readiness of the court. the court is to newly laid and even if it would be ready in a few more days i dont see y they left it to last minuite in the first place they should have been prepared earlyer

ezekiel
09-19-2007, 01:34 PM
its not about the quality of the materials but about the readiness of the court. the court is to newly laid and even if it would be ready in a few more days i dont see y they left it to last minuite in the first place they should have been prepared earlyer

they organized bigger gatherings than a stinking davis cup match so I wouldn't jump to conclusions all right ?

tangerine_dream
09-19-2007, 07:32 PM
If players are actually hurting themselves on crap courts then they have a legit complaint to make.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Sport/Hewitt-falls-at-Davis-Cup-training/2007/09/19/1189881599058.html
Hewitt falls at Davis Cup training
September 19, 2007

Lleyton Hewitt may be in doubt for Australia's Davis Cup playoff against Serbia this weekend after suffering a leg injury during team practice in Belgrade.

Hewitt, who only on Tuesday joined Australian captain John Fitzgerald in publicly complaining that the state of the court surface was diabolical, took a tumble chasing down a forehand and was unable to continue.

He gingerly limped off the temporary clay court at Beogradska Arena to receive treatment from Australian physiotherapist-chiropractor Andreas Bisaz.

If Hewitt was to miss the match it would be a massive setback to Australia's prospects of avoiding relegation from the World Group.

He was pencilled in to play both singles and doubles and, realistically, probably needed to win all three of his rubbers to save Australia from defeat.

Before his fall, Hewitt and Fitzgerald had been very vocal in their criticism of the playing surface, complaining to match referee Mike Morrisey.

"It's pretty dodgy at the moment. Yeah, it's pretty soft underfoot a lot of it. It will want to improve by Friday," Hewitt said after Australian team practice.

"If you've got to play on it, you've got to play on it. But, right at the moment, it's not up to scratch for Davis Cup competition.

"This is the premier team competition in our sport worldwide and (we are) obviously playing in front of 20,000 people in a big stadium.

"The decision will be up to the referee, but it will want to improve a lot before Friday."

Morrisey inspected the surface on Monday after arriving from England, where he fielded an informal complaint from Fitzgerald, and said he was satisfied the court would improve sufficiently for the three-day tie to go ahead as scheduled on Friday.

Fitzgerald and Hewitt initially expressed their dismay at the poor condition of the surface on Sunday after a series of mini craters developed during their first team practice at the indoor arena.

Clearly, they don't believe it has gotten any better since.

But the vastly-experienced Morrisey, a grand slam supervisor and respected as the No.1 tournament referee in world tennis, said he expected the court to hold up given a few more days to settle.

"It's typical of a temporary claycourt wherever you are in the world in that it needs time to settle down, it needs to have players practising on it, it needs to be rolled," Morrisey said.

"What we've done with the practice schedule is allowed time for that to happen during the day, not just in the mornings and the evenings.

"I think everybody here realises that there's work to do.

"But seeing the improvement from one day to the next is normally a sign that the guys are on the case.

"It's pretty standard, to be honest, for a temporary claycourt. Any temporary court, whether it's clay or grass - or not a synthetic surface - needs a little bit more attention.

"So we do face these issues from time to time."

Under Davis Cup guidelines, there is a range of penalties available to the competition committee should the host team fail to prepare an adequate court.

"In the really most extreme cases, there's the possibility of calling off the tie," Morrisey said.

"But, to be honest, calling off the tie is not really on the agenda because it's not in the best interests of the competition. I'm not sure if a tie has ever been called off.

"It would be if it was really dangerous to play. But I think it's going to shape up here fine."

There is much at stake in Belgrade.

If Australia lose, they will be relegated from the World Group for only the second time in 30 years and Serbia would be promoted to the competition's top tier for the first time as an independent nation.

fmolinari2005
09-19-2007, 07:51 PM
They are complaining about the conditions of the clay court at Serbia?! At least they wont have to play on a flaming clay court like this:

http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Home/foto/0,,11246413-EX,00.jpg

Just joking. But, last year, the brazilian tennis federation had to set the courts on fire, since it was too wet! ;)

Note: this picture was taken this year, though, at a different tournament.

Clara Bow
09-19-2007, 07:57 PM
If players are actually hurting themselves on crap courts then they have a legit complaint to make.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Sport/Hewitt-falls-at-Davis-Cup-training/2007/09/19/1189881599058.html

Exactly- not everything is an "excuse"- sometimes the courts can be utter crap that should not be played on and would not be played on if it were any tournament outside of DC, where they have a higher allowance for poor courts.

jazar
09-19-2007, 08:04 PM
:haha: This is priceless!

Thanks for the news guys. At least with Wimbledon Court 1 the Croats know what they'll be getting (weather permitting :mad: ). :tape:

but half their team turned up without grass court shoes

Frederick16
09-19-2007, 08:29 PM
i will be screaming jonas and the others to victory all the 3 days :)

LoveFifteen
09-19-2007, 10:05 PM
I'm excited to watch the USA v. Sweden matches. They'll be on American TV. :bounce:

Action Jackson
09-20-2007, 07:51 AM
Of course, good to see some people missing the overall picture.

Well Mike Morrissey can suspend the tie if the court is unplayable. He has the power to do that, it's not like these temporary drop in courts are at their best straight away, they need to be trained on.

The Aussies well they seem to forget about that temporary grass court they laid in Sydney against Argentina and the climatic conditions weren't at their best and the match was delayed for about 50 minutes, while the groundstaff had to work on it.

Farenhajt
09-20-2007, 01:26 PM
And of course, some choice excuses - "Bad court!", "Llegs hurt!" - can always come handy for the Aussie public.

Llegs at the draw today said he's feeling fine. Btw, first match on Friday is Djokovic - Luczak.

Frederick16
09-20-2007, 02:01 PM
and now we are playing joachim against roddick!! :eek:

i hope he stays fit and fire 50 aces to him! :D

Truc
09-20-2007, 02:07 PM
surprise, surprise: germany also bitching about the russian court ;) :

http://www.sportal.de/sportal/generated/article/tennis/2007/09/18/7431100000.html

haas: it's not the court you'd like to have, it's extremely soft.
mayer: the court is a disgrace. maybe they did it intentionally to make thommy angry (:lol: of course they did!)Actually, Kohli and Waske are fine with the court and mean it should be pretty good for Haas' game, they expected a much slower court.
(Kuehnen has forbidden to complain about the court anyway, everybody who does has to do 20 push-ups.)
http://www.dtb-tennis.de/index_15461.php

Or Levy
09-20-2007, 02:09 PM
Of course, good to see some people missing the overall picture.

Well Mike Morrissey can suspend the tie if the court is unplayable. He has the power to do that, it's not like these temporary drop in courts are at their best straight away, they need to be trained on.

The Aussies well they seem to forget about that temporary grass court they laid in Sydney against Argentina and the climatic conditions weren't at their best and the match was delayed for about 50 minutes, while the groundstaff had to work on it.

Just curious - what can you do to revive grass in 50 minutes.

Action Jackson
09-20-2007, 02:14 PM
Just curious - what can you do to revive grass in 50 minutes.

That particular area of the court didn't get much sunlight, so they had to dry that area before they could play.

fabolous
09-20-2007, 03:35 PM
Actually, Kohli and Waske are fine with the court and mean it should be pretty good for Haas' game, they expected a much slower court.
(Kuehnen has forbidden to complain about the court anyway, everybody who does has to do 20 push-ups.)
http://www.dtb-tennis.de/index_15461.php
that's good, they should concentrate on playing tennis. it will be hard enough anyway.

haas complaining about anything isn't really news, somehow he needs this for his game. after his us open defeat against davydenko, he was asked about his feelings to play this guy again on clay and he said ironically "great, i'm so looking forward to that" :D

Bascule
09-20-2007, 10:04 PM
That Austrian company said that the court will be fine by friday. We all hope so. Friday 13:00 NOVAK DJOKOVIC - PETER LUCZAK, following JANKO TIPSAREVIC - LLEYTON HEWITT. Let's just hope that all players will be satisfied. Don't wanna guests to complane for anything. Hewitt's leg is probably fine, cause they said tonight he'll play tomorrow. I hope we'll be in DC again after 20 long years.

RogiFan88
09-21-2007, 04:34 AM
surprise, surprise, guess who started this thread? :lol:

and that AUS/ARG match betw Lleyton and Guille was hilarious... well, Guille was anyway! I've just about forgotten about him... ;)

RogiFan88
09-21-2007, 04:37 AM
meanwhile Maratski w rather tackle an entirely different surface altogether... more of a vertical surface...

Action Jackson
09-21-2007, 08:03 AM
That Austrian company said that the court will be fine by friday. We all hope so. Friday 13:00 NOVAK DJOKOVIC - PETER LUCZAK, following JANKO TIPSAREVIC - LLEYTON HEWITT. Let's just hope that all players will be satisfied. Don't wanna guests to complane for anything. Hewitt's leg is probably fine, cause they said tonight he'll play tomorrow. I hope we'll be in DC again after 20 long years.

Of course the surface will be fine, it's just Hewitt needs to blow off steam about something. He does it in Australia as well.

Merton
09-21-2007, 08:13 AM
Australia has certainly chances here, as for complaining it is part of the game.