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What Was The Deal With The 2004 Olympics?!

Jaffas85
09-17-2007, 11:31 AM
So we're all aware that Nicholas Massu (of all people) won the Gold medal at the 2004 Olympics and Mardy Fish (even more surprising) won the silver medal.

I didn't really follow tennis that closely in 2004 (Before 2006 each year I would only ever watch the Australian Open and Wimbledon) so I did a google search for the main draw of the 2004 Olympics and found that some (not most) of the top players were in the draw such as Federer, Roddick, Nalbandian, Safin and Henman.

So considering that there were still 6 or 7 pretty decent (and in some cases exceptional) players in the draw how is it that Nicholas Massu (yet again... "of all people!") and also Mardy Fish managed to come away with the Gold and Silver medals respectively?!

It's almost as though all of the top players suddenly came down with injuries/illness when the Olympics started or decided that, like Safin said, tennis isn't an Olympics sport so they couldn't be bothered..

Anyone like to clear this one up for me?

Thanks.

P.S. I hear that the Olympics award ranking points to the players but that seems a little silly. Does that mean that the upcoming 2008 winner will be sitting on sizeable points from winning the Olympic title for 4 years thus won't have to defend those points for 4 years? Seems a little unfair that they get to carry those points for four years.

krystlel
09-17-2007, 11:35 AM
I didn't follow tennis outside of the Australian Open, Wimbledon and U.S Open back then either mainly because it wasn't on TV and I didn't look it up on the internet, although I did look up results for the French Open online and live scoring. Strangely it was the decreasing amount of TV coverage that led to me looking up tennis on the internet and following it more on a week-to-week basis. Out of curiosity, is tennis in the Olympics televised much around the world?

I can't be certain but I'm pretty sure if there are ranking points allocated that they will be taken off the same time the following year. :lol: That would be logical to me.

Burrow
09-17-2007, 11:38 AM
I don't think they have the ranking points from the Olympics, don't know how it works out though.

AnnaK_4ever
09-17-2007, 11:45 AM
So we're all aware that Nicholas Massu (of all people) won the Gold medal at the 2004 Olympics and Mardy Fish (even more surprising) won the silver medal.

I didn't really follow tennis that closely in 2004 (Before 2006 each year I would only ever watch the Australian Open and Wimbledon) so I did a google search for the main draw of the 2004 Olympics and found that some (not most) of the top players were in the draw such as Federer, Roddick, Nalbandian, Safin and Henman.

So considering that there were still 6 or 7 pretty decent (and in some cases exceptional) players in the draw how is it that Nicholas Massu (yet again... "of all people!") and also Mardy Fish managed to come away with the Gold and Silver medals respectively?!

It's almost as though all of the top players suddenly came down with injuries/illness when the Olympics started or decided that, like Safin said, tennis isn't an Olympics sport so they couldn't be bothered..

Anyone like to clear this one up for me?

Thanks.

P.S. I hear that the Olympics award ranking points to the players but that seems a little silly. Does that mean that the upcoming 2008 winner will be sitting on sizeable points from winning the Olympic title for 4 years thus won't have to defend those points for 4 years? Seems a little unfair that they get to carry those points for four years.

No, it doesn't. The points will drop off player's ranking in 52 weeks.

From what I remember most players were complaining about weather, facilities, courts, balls quality and conditions but I think they just didn't give a shit about Olympics. Cos women were in the same conditions and somehow world's Top-3 players all made it to the semis.
Nevertheless, the tournament was rather fun to follow.

krystlel
09-17-2007, 11:47 AM
If you want to see who lost to who, here's the completed draw:
http://www.itftennis.com/olympics/drawsheets/index.asp?event=1100058330&round=1

That was the first time I have seen it.

I do think Mardy Fish is one of those players that is not as bad as MTF makes him out to be though, much like Lopez and Ginepri. He did make it to the top 20 at one point.

GlennMirnyi
09-17-2007, 11:49 AM
It was a fluke and it's supportive on how Olympic tennis should be banned forever.

krystlel
09-17-2007, 11:54 AM
Yeah, I'm really curious to see if we're going to see some more bizarre results in the 2008 Olympics. The top 5 players have separated themselves from the rest of the tour more than ever in recent times with the last three Grand Slams having 3 or more of the top 4 players in the semi-finals.

GlennMirnyi
09-17-2007, 11:57 AM
We are, more so the tournament scheduling will be all messed up.

Tennistunes
09-17-2007, 12:08 PM
I was there in Athens and everyone choked likes dogs....Federer, Roddick, the Bryans, etc. Everyone wanted to win SO BADLY and they knew if they lost, they would not have another chance for four years....the devastation that these players felt after they lost - I know cause I was there behind the scenes - was unbelievable. You can read about Federer and his Olympic experiences at www.rogerfedererbook.com

krystlel
09-17-2007, 12:11 PM
I was there in Athens and everyone choked likes dogs....Federer, Roddick, the Bryans, etc. Everyone wanted to win SO BADLY and they knew if they lost, they would not have another chance for four years....the devastation that these players felt after they lost - I know cause I was there behind the scenes - was unbelievable. You can read about Federer and his Olympic experiences at www.rogerfedererbook.com
:lol: I don't believe that at all. It's not really possible for everyone to choke and the Olympics are not rated highly in tennis.

By the way, I'm pretty sure the intent of all your posts is to include that link rather than the rest of the content so I'm not sure why I'm bothering to respond.

GlennMirnyi
09-17-2007, 12:13 PM
Yeah right. They sooooo wanted to win a title totally without any meaning for the tennis world. :yeah: :rolleyes:

cobalt60
09-17-2007, 12:14 PM
I was there in Athens and everyone choked likes dogs....Federer, Roddick, the Bryans, etc. Everyone wanted to win SO BADLY and they knew if they lost, they would not have another chance for four years....the devastation that these players felt after they lost - I know cause I was there behind the scenes - was unbelievable. You can read about Federer and his Olympic experiences at www.rogerfedererbook.com

I watched as many of the matches that I could on the network. I agree that many of the best players did seem to have serious cases of "walkabout" . However that does not take away any of the accomplishments or even luck of those who made it through. ;)

BTW are you in any way involved in that book you advertise?

JMG
09-17-2007, 12:15 PM
Everyone wanted to win SO BADLY and they knew if they lost, they would not have another chance for four years....the devastation that these players felt after they lost - I know cause I was there behind the scenes - was unbelievable.

That's true. For many players the Olympics are THE tournament next year and it's also THE tournament I'm looking forward to see.

Gulliver
09-17-2007, 12:16 PM
The balls were like bullets, the courts dreadful and the wind was terrible. Federer in his 1st match against Davydenko got so irritated he hit the ball on to the stadium roof and got a code violation. Massu never got going the following year to amass enough points to replace his Olympic ones when they came off. In his match against Fish he turned time wasting into an art form. The whole thing was a farce. Tennis should never be an Olympic sport.

Alx
09-17-2007, 12:17 PM
Nicolas Massu (and not Nicholas :rolleyes: ) had a better ranking before the Olympics Games than now. He played the final of the Madrid TMS at the end of 2003 and won in Kitzbuhel a few weeks before.
Nicolas Massu and Mardy Fish were certainly very motivated by the Olympics Games maybe on the contrary to some other players. Btw if you watch the pics of Mardy Fish after the final, you'll see that he was very disappointed to have lost.

JMG
09-17-2007, 12:24 PM
Olympic tennis = pure emotion

Just watch the doubles final of 2004.

GlennMirnyi
09-17-2007, 12:26 PM
That's true. For many players the Olympics are THE tournament next year and it's also THE tournament I'm looking forward to see.

:rolleyes:

The balls were like bullets, the courts dreadful and the wind was terrible. Federer in his 1st match against Davydenko got so irritated he hit the ball on to the stadium roof and got a code violation. Massu never got going the following year to amass enough points to replace his Olympic ones when they came off. In his match against Fish he turned time wasting into an art form. The whole thing was a farce. Tennis should never be an Olympic sport.

So true. It was ridiculous.

GlennMirnyi
09-17-2007, 12:32 PM
The doubles final was one of the biggest chokes and sissy-girl actings I've seen in my entire life.

Or Levy
09-17-2007, 12:33 PM
Well, I haven't seen the match - but Roger in his post match interview (I don't recall him ever sounding quite this bitter, cranky, and disappointed about a loss before) said that nothing worked for him.

http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=21415

And this is what Massu said (after winning the gold) in response as to whether other players, such as Roddick and Federer thought winning the USO was more important than winning in the olympics:


NICOLAS MASSU: Well, I saw Federer. I saw what he looked like when he lost, you know. I've never seen him like that. I mean, you know, I've never seen him like that. He looked totally devastated. You know, I saw when he lost that match. I saw him. I don't care what they think. I mean, I won the gold medal. I'm not going to worry about whether they feel like playing an Olympic Games or not. That's their business, not mine. And besides, this has been an historical achievement. For me, anyway. For me, this is much more important. The Olympic Games are much more important. I don't know what it is for them, how they feel.

scoobs
09-17-2007, 01:08 PM
For some of the players the Olympics is not a big deal at all and for others it's a very big deal indeed.

Does Federer want Olympic Gold? Absofuckinglutely.

I think as time as gone on, it's been back 20 years now as an Olympic sport, it's started to gain a little bit more prestige in the eyes of a lot of the players precisely because you'll only get 2 or 3 chances in the course of your career to go and do it. That doesn't mean it's not still prone to some weird results but I think a lot of the current players view it as something a little bit special.

jonny84
09-17-2007, 01:16 PM
Olympics should be a big deal.

Only a handful of people have won Olympic Gold at a tennis event.

I think that with Beijing 2008 and London 2012 the tennis events should be more prestigious, what with the money being plowed into the Beijing tennis event and with the event being held at Wimbledon.

Tennis can only go up at the Olympics.

*bunny*
09-17-2007, 02:08 PM
I remember watching the beautiful but lengthy opening ceremony till the end just waiting for the athletes to enter the stadium. And I was a very happy bunny when I saw JCF, Moya, Feli and Robredo walking together. :)
But I didn't see any match coz it wasn't televised at all. :(

Actually, Massu winning the singles gold and him and Gonzo winning the doubles gold were not too surprising considering their good record at World Team Cup.
And it was in Athens that Berdych first made his name by beating Federer as a little known 19-year old.

ReturnWinner
09-17-2007, 02:24 PM
Olympic games are important in tennis of course but not that much, even it gives less points and prize money than AMS tournaments

in Most sports the most important and biggest event is in indeed the olympics but not in others like tennis and football

Margy
09-17-2007, 02:30 PM
I just looked at the full results from 2004 and it certainly looked like all the top players were there so I don't understand why this would be any less important than a major. The only real difference is that the gold medal doesn't come with a million dollar prize check. But I have a question. Was there no bronze medal? Wouldn't it have been expected that the losers from the semis would play a consolation match for the bronze? Or am I just missing that result somewhere?

Corswandt
09-17-2007, 02:31 PM
It was a fluke and it's supportive on how Olympic tennis should be banned forever.

Quite.

The Olympic tennis tournament is pointless and should be scrapped.

JMG
09-17-2007, 02:36 PM
I just looked at the full results from 2004 and it certainly looked like all the top players were there so I don't understand why this would be any less important than a major. The only real difference is that the gold medal doesn't come with a million dollar prize check. But I have a question. Was there no bronze medal? Wouldn't it have been expected that the losers from the semis would play a consolation match for the bronze? Or am I just missing that result somewhere?

Gonzalez d. Dent 6-4 2-6 16-14
Ancic/Ljubicic d. Bhupathi/Paes 7-6(5) 4-6 16-14

ReturnWinner
09-17-2007, 02:38 PM
i remember the conditions in that tournament were strange and not very good,very windy and hot conditions, and the balls and surface were a little different to the ones used in the atp tour regularly

Margy
09-17-2007, 02:44 PM
Gonzalez d. Dent 6-4 2-6 16-14
Ancic/Ljubicic d. Bhupathi/Paes 7-6(5) 4-6 16-14

Ahh! Thank you. I couldn't find that on the link that was posted by Krystlel and I wondered why they didn't have bronze medalists.

GlennMirnyi
09-17-2007, 02:49 PM
For some of the players the Olympics is not a big deal at all and for others it's a very big deal indeed.

Does Federer want Olympic Gold? Absofuckinglutely.

I think as time as gone on, it's been back 20 years now as an Olympic sport, it's started to gain a little bit more prestige in the eyes of a lot of the players precisely because you'll only get 2 or 3 chances in the course of your career to go and do it. That doesn't mean it's not still prone to some weird results but I think a lot of the current players view it as something a little bit special.

Are you Federer's friend, relative or responsible for his press statements? :rolleyes:

Olympics should be a big deal.

Only a handful of people have won Olympic Gold at a tennis event.

I think that with Beijing 2008 and London 2012 the tennis events should be more prestigious, what with the money being plowed into the Beijing tennis event and with the event being held at Wimbledon.

Tennis can only go up at the Olympics.

Should be, but it's not. Tennis isn't an olympic sport. Few people won the medal because it only happens every 4 years. I bet this should sound logic.

Quite.

The Olympic tennis tournament is pointless and should be scrapped.

Never in doubt.

Sparko1030
09-17-2007, 03:16 PM
Well, I haven't seen the match - but Roger in his post match interview (I don't recall him ever sounding quite this bitter, cranky, and disappointed about a loss before) said that nothing worked for him.

http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=21415

And this is what Massu said (after winning the gold) in response as to whether other players, such as Roddick and Federer thought winning the USO was more important than winning in the olympics:


NICOLAS MASSU: Well, I saw Federer. I saw what he looked like when he lost, you know. I've never seen him like that. I mean, you know, I've never seen him like that. He looked totally devastated. You know, I saw when he lost that match. I saw him. I don't care what they think. I mean, I won the gold medal. I'm not going to worry about whether they feel like playing an Olympic Games or not. That's their business, not mine. And besides, this has been an historical achievement. For me, anyway. For me, this is much more important. The Olympic Games are much more important. I don't know what it is for them, how they feel.


Thanks for posting that. :worship: Nico and Fernando played a 5 set doubles match just hours before Nico and Mardy played their 5 set singles final. What I saw from Nico that day was a true feat of physical perserverance. It may not have been phenominal tennis but it was a phenominal effort-what I like to think the Olympics is all about....

scoobs
09-17-2007, 03:23 PM
Are you Federer's friend

No

relative

No

or responsible for his press statements? :rolleyes:

No

Glad I could help with that. :hatoff:

tangerine_dream
09-17-2007, 03:56 PM
All I remember is that practically everybody was complaining about the windy conditions, the slick courts, and some players hated the balls used:

Marat Safin was not happy with the balls used for the competition, Wilsons that have proved fast according to a number of players. "We have very bad balls, I have to admit and I have to be honest," Safin said. "It's not balls that we used to play. I don't know who choose to play with these balls, but it definitely made a lot of people suffering."

GlennMirnyi
09-17-2007, 04:10 PM
No



No



No

Glad I could help with that. :hatoff:

Thanks for clearing it up. :hatoff:

STFU now then, stop talking as if you were him.

Ivo#1Fan
09-17-2007, 04:19 PM
:rolleyes:



So true. It was ridiculous.

You started this whole thread by saying you didn't know anything about the 2004 Olympics, so how can you make the above statement about the speed of the balls and how the players seemed coming off court after the final?

GlennMirnyi
09-17-2007, 04:20 PM
You started this whole thread by saying you didn't know anything about the 2004 Olympics, so how can you make the above statement?

Are you crazy man? Check again, I never started this thread. :o

fmolinari2005
09-17-2007, 04:26 PM
Yeah right. They sooooo wanted to win a title totally without any meaning for the tennis world. :yeah: :rolleyes:

Now it is time for me to ask the same question you asked scoobsuk: are you Roger's friend, relative or spokesperson?

Julio1974
09-17-2007, 04:27 PM
All I remember is that Nalbandian was chasing every girl on sight...

DeuX.cl
09-17-2007, 04:33 PM
Thanks for clearing it up. :hatoff:

STFU now then, stop talking as if you were him.


What an idiot.

The 2008 season to me is the Olympic year so I'm excited, and hopefully I can do better than last time," the 26-year-old Swiss told reporters the morning after his win against Serb Novak Djokovic.

http://www.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idUSN1033904020070910

*Viva Chile*
09-17-2007, 04:41 PM
It was a fluke and it's supportive on how Olympic tennis should be banned forever.

Yeah, and if Federer or Mirnyi won it in that time, surely you would reaffirm this sentence :rolleyes:

Havok
09-17-2007, 04:47 PM
It's spot in the regular tour schedule was horrible, s well as lots of players were having trouble with the insanely fast courts. The 2004 Olympics was easily one of the worst tennis event held where almost every top player participated in it (I believe Hewitt was the only huge name missing at that time).

When some idiot like Massu wins the singles and doubles, it's sketchy :scared::help:.

fmolinari2005
09-17-2007, 04:48 PM
I am just trying to understand why tennis shouldnt be an olimpic sport.

scoobs
09-17-2007, 04:58 PM
Thanks for clearing it up. :hatoff:

STFU now then, stop talking as if you were him.
I don't talk as if I was him, but even if I did you'd be much more impressive, talking, as you do, as though you know the minds of an awful lot of players, not just one ;)

*Viva Chile*
09-17-2007, 04:59 PM
I remember most players were arguing about the balls, the wind, the fast surface, and whining about living in the olympic village :rolleyes: that the rooms were too small and yadda yadda... If you go to play to the Olympics you're asuming that you go for representing your country, not for stay in a five stars hotel or gain money because it's not the objective nor the spirit of the competition. If a player is searching for been confortable and with luxuries simply don't participate. Many players give this event huge significance and others not, but that not means that the event should be banned from the sport. It's like some players says that grass tennis should be banned because of the few tournaments and less significance for the sport nowadays... while are other players that really like the surface.

If you like to play representing your country, good. If you're a selfish whiny bitch don't go, simply as that.

GlennMirnyi
09-17-2007, 05:02 PM
Now it is time for me to ask the same question you asked scoobsuk: are you Roger's friend, relative or spokesperson?

No, but am I affirming something about Roger?

What an idiot.

http://www.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idUSN1033904020070910

Ask him if he'd prefer that or any GS. :rolleyes:

Yeah, and if Federer or Mirnyi won it in that time, surely you would reaffirm this sentence :rolleyes:

Always. Olympics mean nothing in tennis.

I am just trying to understand why tennis shouldnt be an olimpic sport.

Why should it be? Olympics mean nothing to the tennis world. It's like football. Olympic football means s**t.

I don't talk as if I was him, but even if I did you'd be much more impressive, talking, as you do, as though you know the minds of an awful lot of players, not just one ;)

Quote then.

fmolinari2005
09-17-2007, 05:04 PM
I remember most players were arguing about the balls, the wind, the fast surface, and whining about living in the olympic village :rolleyes: that the rooms were too small and yadda yadda... If you go to play to the Olympics you're asuming that you go for representing your country, not for stay in a five stars hotel or gain money because it's not the objective nor the spirit of the competition. If a player is searching for been confortable and with luxuries simply don't participate. Many players give this event huge significance and others not, but that not means that the event should be banned from the sport. It's like some players says that grass tennis should be banned because of the few tournaments and less significance for the sport nowadays... while are other players that really like the surface.

If you like to play representing your country, good. If you're a selfish whiny bitch don't go, simply as that.

I would only disagree with the fact that some players are more into the glory of winning a Olympic Medal and less with representing their countries. But, I sort of agree with the general tone of your post.

AnnaK_4ever
09-17-2007, 05:18 PM
I remember most players were arguing about the balls, the wind, the fast surface, and whining about living in the olympic village :rolleyes: that the rooms were too small and yadda yadda... If you go to play to the Olympics you're asuming that you go for representing your country, not for stay in a five stars hotel or gain money because it's not the objective nor the spirit of the competition.

And they call themselves MEN... :rolleyes: They are not Olympics athletes for sure.
Funny how none of women players was whining about conditions.

fmolinari2005
09-17-2007, 05:21 PM
No, but am I affirming something about Roger?


Sorry. My bad. I should'd asked if you knew/ was spokesperson for all tennis players involved at the Olympic Games. Because, according to you (in that last quote), those players didnt give a shit about Olympic games.



Ask him if he'd prefer that or any GS. :rolleyes:


Liking one thing over another doesnt mean you dont care about the other thing. But it is a tough concept for someone who sees the world in absolute terms.


Always. Olympics mean nothing in tennis.

Why should it be? Olympics mean nothing to the tennis world. It's like football. Olympic football means s**t.



This is an egocentric remark. It doesnt mean shit to you, and to some players probably (even soccer). Not having an effect on rankings and some athletes not liking it have nothing to do with a sport being part of the Olympics Game:


From the offical Olympic's rulerbook:

To be included in the programme of the Olympic Games, an Olympic sport must conform to the following criteria:
1.1 only sports widely practised by men in at least seventyfive countries and on four continents, and by women in at least forty countries and on three continents, may be included in the programme of the Games of the Olympiad;
1.2 only sports widely practised in at least twenty-five countries and on three continents may be included in the programme of the Olympic Winter Games;
1.3 only sports that adopt and implement the World Anti- Doping Code can be included and remain in the programme of the Olympic Games;

http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_122.pdf

GlennMirnyi
09-17-2007, 05:22 PM
And they call themselves MEN... :rolleyes: They are not Olympics athletes for sure.
Funny how none of women players was whining about conditions.

Women can't even play tennis, why should they complain?

GlennMirnyi
09-17-2007, 05:27 PM
Sorry. My bad. I should'd asked if you knew/ was spokesperson for all tennis players involved at the Olympic Games. Because, according to you (in that last quote), those players didnt give a shit about Olympic games.

Liking one thing over another doesnt mean you dont care about the other thing. But it is a tough concept for someone who sees the world in absolute terms.

This is an egocentric remark. It doesnt mean shit to you, and to some players probably (even soccer). Not having an effect on rankings and some athletes not liking it have nothing to do with a sport being part of the Olympics Game:

From the offical Olympic's rulerbook:

To be included in the programme of the Olympic Games, an Olympic sport must conform to the following criteria:
1.1 only sports widely practised by men in at least seventyfive countries and on four continents, and by women in at least forty countries and on three continents, may be included in the programme of the Games of the Olympiad;
1.2 only sports widely practised in at least twenty-five countries and on three continents may be included in the programme of the Olympic Winter Games;
1.3 only sports that adopt and implement the World Anti- Doping Code can be included and remain in the programme of the Olympic Games;

http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_122.pdf

I'm not talking on behalf of any players. I'm talking about the tennis world. Only sissy-girl nationalists care about olympics in tennis.

It's not a matter of liking. It's a matter of what's more important for your sport.

Shouldn't be an olympic event. It was a joke in 2004 and before even Leander Paes got a medal. If players cared they'd have done better.

Olympics started in 776BC in Greece and there wasn't tennis at that time, last thing I checked. You'll say then all other sports shouldn't be in the olympics. True.

AnnaK_4ever
09-17-2007, 05:31 PM
Women can't even play tennis, why should they complain?

You can't even think properly but it doesn't prevent you from posting here... :shrug:

Sparko1030
09-17-2007, 05:40 PM
You can't even think properly but it doesn't prevent you from posting here... :shrug:



:haha: :yeah:

fmolinari2005
09-17-2007, 05:41 PM
I'm not talking on behalf of any players. I'm talking about the tennis world. Only sissy-girl nationalists care about olympics in tennis.



Let me get this straight. You are not the spokesperson of those players at the Olympic Games. You are the spokesperson of tennis as a game!! At this rate, by the end of the day, you might claim to be the new messiah ...:lol: :lol: :lol:

peteslamz
09-17-2007, 05:51 PM
What is the process of selecting the players who will be able to compete main draw for the 2008 olympics? Is it based with the atp rankings?

*Viva Chile*
09-17-2007, 05:56 PM
Let me get this straight. You are not the spokesperson of those players at the Olympic Games. You are the spokesperson of tennis as a game!! At this rate, by the end of the day, you might claim to be the new messiah ...:lol: :lol: :lol:
So let's fund "The Church of GlennMirnyi of the Trolls of the Last Days" :tape: :lol:

(mormons here don't get offended please, it's only a joke :angel: )

Lucinda
09-17-2007, 06:35 PM
I like tennis as an Olympic sport. If players don't respect the Olympic Games and what it represents, then that's their problem. I know Massu and Gonzalez appreciated the importance of winning an Olympic medal - in any sport. Weren't they the first gold medals Chile had ever won in Olympic history? That seems pretty damn important to them and their country.

FedFan_2007
09-17-2007, 07:17 PM
Bring the Olympics back to what it was in 776BC: foot racing, javelin, discus.

Sunset of Age
09-17-2007, 07:29 PM
Should we make it all-male and nude as well? :drool:

:lol: - and hopefully the women are allowed to watch, which wasn't the case in Classic Greece... :drool:

Beat
09-17-2007, 07:41 PM
Yeah right. They sooooo wanted to win a title totally without any meaning for the tennis world. :yeah: :rolleyes:
erm, yes, they actually did.

R.Federer
09-17-2007, 07:50 PM
I remember most players were arguing about the balls, the wind, the fast surface, and whining about living in the olympic village :rolleyes: that the rooms were too small and yadda yadda...
I remember that Federer Berdych match. Federer underestimated IMO. First match between the two. I also recall Federer how he sat with his hands holding his head looking down slumped on his chair. He seemed to think he could play less than his A game and win that.

I also think the close proximity to the USO prevented players like Roddick and Federer from playing their best in Athens because they were already looking ahead to the USO. So, with just one eye on the prize, they pretty much went away with less focus where they needed it

FedFan_2007
09-17-2007, 08:10 PM
I just don't like the current Olympics setup, where's the tradition in having basketball? Then we got rid of the amateur-status requirement, thus NBAers and pro tennis players in the Olympics. It's a sham.

Action Jackson
09-18-2007, 06:25 AM
Here is the problem with Olympics in the tennis. Olympic Gold should be the big highlight in an athletes field given that their event is included in the Olympics.

The problems with tennis and football are that the above is clearly not the case for obvious reasons as the Slams and the World Cup take precedence as it should, so they are included for commercial reasons in the games.

Inspite of this, the medal playoff matches have for the most part been very dramatic and memorable and the fact that Rosset as much as he loved winning his Olympic Gold medal, he definitely would have prefered to win a Slam.

Does it have great drama, the Kafelnikov/Haas match went to 5 sets, Rosset and Massu winning were big surprises for sure, but they deserved it and I wish some Slam finals were actually that close.

If players can't get playing for their nation and need ranking points to do it, then it just becomes another event.

Experimentee
09-18-2007, 12:58 PM
I was following tennis then, but the results were still strange to me. A lot of the top players didnt seem to show up and had some bad losses. Also combined with certain players playing above themselves, and these were the players who truly cared about winning for their country, like the Chileans.

Experimentee
09-18-2007, 12:59 PM
Also I think that those Olympics were scheduled very close to the US Open, so a few players didnt show up in Athens and preferred to stay in the US to focus on the Slam.

MissFairy
09-18-2007, 02:33 PM
Here is the problem with Olympics in the tennis. Olympic Gold should be the big highlight in an athletes field given that their event is included in the Olympics.

The problems with tennis and football are that the above is clearly not the case for obvious reasons as the Slams and the World Cup take precedence as it should, so they are included for commercial reasons in the games.
Agreed. I had been watching tennis a while before the summer of 2004, but this was the first Olympic tennis i watched. I, like most, didn't pick Massu as the winner, nor Fish as the Silver medallist, yet as i remember, the final was quite interesting. Despite the Olympics perhaps not being as important as a Slam trophy, the two players clearly were deeply invested in winning the Gold. For any pro sportsperson, a Gold Olympic medal is of some worth, surely.

It is a rare time in tennis when one can represent their country by themselves like that (even in DC they are playing as a unit for a tie win, whereas here they can add to the countrys tally of medals alone), and some often hold this in high regard. Of course, a lot of players don't feel the same about representing their country and that's fine. The Olympics event adds to an already crowded summer schedule and this is unfortunate, but even if the results are skewed at best, i think it's a great opportunity for players to take part in a longstanding institution of worldwide sport.

Sjengster
09-18-2007, 02:38 PM
As I recall Lee (the poster/moderator, not the player) saying in disbelief, Massu had won precisely zero matches on hardcourt that year going into the Olympics, and he came away as the champion in both singles and doubles.

Action Jackson
09-18-2007, 02:45 PM
Agreed. I had been watching tennis a while before the summer of 2004, but this was the first Olympic tennis i watched. I, like most, didn't pick Massu as the winner, nor Fish as the Silver medallist, yet as i remember, the final was quite interesting. Despite the Olympics perhaps not being as important as a Slam trophy, the two players clearly were deeply invested in winning the Gold. For any pro sportsperson, a Gold Olympic medal is of some worth, surely.

I don't even think Massu's family expected him to win, but what he did that Olympics was heroic and this is not coming from a Massu fan at all. Yes, it's worth something for sure, just as to where it sits is debatable.

I was in Switzerland when Rosset won in Barcelona and the place I was in went crazy when he won it, maybe cause the results are so unexpected and that you see which players aren't solely for themselves.

Action Jackson
09-18-2007, 02:46 PM
As I recall Lee (the poster/moderator, not the player) saying in disbelief, Massu had won precisely zero matches on hardcourt that year going into the Olympics, and he came away as the champion in both singles and doubles.

He lost 7 hardcourt matches in a row.

MissFairy
09-18-2007, 03:01 PM
I don't even think Massu's family expected him to win, but what he did that Olympics was heroic and this is not coming from a Massu fan at all. Yes, it's worth something for sure, just as to where it sits is debatable.

I was in Switzerland when Rosset won in Barcelona and the place I was in went crazy when he won it, maybe cause the results are so unexpected and that you see which players aren't solely for themselves.
I think for players who care deeply about the Davis Cup would similarly care about an Olympic Medal. The glory is in the achievement of something that perhaps transcends the sport. A country will make a hero out of any medal winner (see GBR and the Curling) and the player will instantly be embraced by their people even if they aren't fans of the sport at all. I think this is a greater reaction that if they had won a Slam. Olympic medals are a status symbol that universally understood. That sort of reaction is probably worth a lot to some players.

Action Jackson
09-19-2007, 07:30 AM
I think for players who care deeply about the Davis Cup would similarly care about an Olympic Medal. The glory is in the achievement of something that perhaps transcends the sport. A country will make a hero out of any medal winner (see GBR and the Curling) and the player will instantly be embraced by their people even if they aren't fans of the sport at all. I think this is a greater reaction that if they had won a Slam. Olympic medals are a status symbol that universally understood. That sort of reaction is probably worth a lot to some players.

It's just a different thing when it comes to tennis.

cobalt60
09-19-2007, 10:51 AM
I think for players who care deeply about the Davis Cup would similarly care about an Olympic Medal. The glory is in the achievement of something that perhaps transcends the sport. A country will make a hero out of any medal winner (see GBR and the Curling) and the player will instantly be embraced by their people even if they aren't fans of the sport at all. I think this is a greater reaction that if they had won a Slam. Olympic medals are a status symbol that universally understood. That sort of reaction is probably worth a lot to some players.

That is exactly correct; and I am not speculating here;) Glory is important for all sorts of reasons.

tangerine_dream
08-10-2008, 06:35 PM
*bump*

For the newbies who might be curious about what happened at the 2004 Athens Olympics. :)

Mateya
08-10-2008, 07:55 PM
I still can't believe Massu won this thing.

Considering form of Fedmug, Djoker and Rafzilla (HC=his worst surface), I woudn't be surprised if we have a surprise winner again.
I even expect some tanking here.

And I got a bit offtopic :tape:

Merton
08-10-2008, 07:55 PM
Roger didn't know how to play against Berdych at the time, as a result he was outplayed and lost. I don't know if that was discussed here but the most funny claim was that Roger lost because he was bothered by the wind. As we all know by now, Berdych is a true wind master. As for the other favourite at the time nothing much to do, Gonzo just had a spectacular performance against Roddick.

Hendu
08-10-2008, 08:20 PM
Nalbandian didn't play because of injury. Calleri got injured and couldn't play the second round.

Burrow
08-10-2008, 08:22 PM
2004 was a great year, for everything.

2004 was much more exciting and varied than 2008, today.

Havok
08-10-2008, 09:19 PM
2004 was a great year, for everything.

2004 was much more exciting and varied than 2008, today.
More varried? Fed won AO, Wimbly and USO that year, with Gaudio picking up RG. TMS events were won by either Federer, Roddick, or Coria pretty much. Right now we have Djokovic with the AO and Rafa with RG and Wimbly. TMS events have gone to the likes of Djokovic, Nadal, Davydenko. So no 04 wasn't more varried than 08, and all depending on what you like 08 can be seen as more fun because Federer is losing in almost every tournament he's entered; which can't be said about his 04 year.

groundstroke
08-10-2008, 09:27 PM
More varried? Fed won AO, Wimbly and USO that year, with Gaudio picking up RG. TMS events were won by either Federer, Roddick, or Coria pretty much. Right now we have Djokovic with the AO and Rafa with RG and Wimbly. TMS events have gone to the likes of Djokovic, Nadal, Davydenko. So no 04 wasn't more varried than 08, and all depending on what you like 08 can be seen as more fun because Federer is losing in almost every tournament he's entered; which can't be said about his 04 year.
Federer's domination in that year > this mug festival year.

Burrow
08-10-2008, 10:19 PM
More varried? Fed won AO, Wimbly and USO that year, with Gaudio picking up RG. TMS events were won by either Federer, Roddick, or Coria pretty much. Right now we have Djokovic with the AO and Rafa with RG and Wimbly. TMS events have gone to the likes of Djokovic, Nadal, Davydenko. So no 04 wasn't more varried than 08, and all depending on what you like 08 can be seen as more fun because Federer is losing in almost every tournament he's entered; which can't be said about his 04 year.

I said varied not varried.

And yes it was. Winning isn't the only thing to determine variation.

FiBeR
08-10-2008, 11:28 PM
easy:

mug tournament
mug winners
mug organization

oh and nalbandian pulled out in the last minute :p (not that he would have won anyway)

got a couple of big upsets (like berdych with federer) and oh well..i remember how henman lost to jiri vanek i think :lol: