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Who is greater: Marcelo Rios vs Thomas Johansson?

lleytonfan!
09-16-2007, 10:59 AM
Marcelo leads in pretty much every category, except that Thomas has won a Slam.

Action Jackson
09-16-2007, 11:04 AM
Which one is religious and you'd have the winner?

stebs
09-16-2007, 11:29 AM
You've answered your own question in your post and so it depends on if you cosnider slams as the be all and end all of criterion. If so then ToJo is your man and if not it's hard to argue with Rios credentials outside the slams.

Mateya
09-16-2007, 11:42 AM
Not by much, but Rios is.

Tojo won that lucky slam, so he is greater? :retard:

Rogiman
09-16-2007, 12:02 PM
Which one is religious and you'd have the winner?:lol:

Rios.

Had Johansson won 2 Slams (or shown some consistency in other Slams) there would be no doubt, but as it is he's the definition of One Slam Wonder.

That said, Rios' Slam record is rather poor for a player of his caliber, even if we resign to the fact that he didn't win one.

Fergie
09-16-2007, 12:03 PM
Marcelo! :worship:

Forehander
09-16-2007, 12:08 PM
Which one is religious and you'd have the winner?

:haha:

but i think i'd go for rios.

Kolya
09-16-2007, 12:40 PM
Rios easy.

So talented.

leng jai
09-16-2007, 12:43 PM
Stop reminding that Tojo is a slam winner.

fmolinari2005
09-16-2007, 12:44 PM
Talent isnt only striking the ball nicely. That is all I can say about Rios.

l_mac
09-16-2007, 12:54 PM
How long till Madrid?

I vote Johansson. The question was "Who is greater?" Johannson had greater success because he won a slam. Rios is possibly the most overrated player of all time.

Alonsofz
09-16-2007, 12:59 PM
It's obvious :shrug:

Marcelo R1os :worship:

LeChuck
09-16-2007, 12:59 PM
I bet that Tojo is the envy of so many players. He has won a both a grand slam title, and a masters series title (at Montreal in 1999), while so many talented players fail to win any titles above ISG/IS level.

keqtqiadv
09-16-2007, 01:01 PM
http://yelims5.free.fr/Violence/Violence06.gif

Byrd
09-16-2007, 01:06 PM
Tojo isn't as bad player like most make him out to be, as he was playing well in 2005 getting to the SF of Wimbledon before he got that nasty eye injury which set him back quite a bit, which he really has never recovered from.

Blue Heart24
09-16-2007, 01:46 PM
Rios

Adler
09-16-2007, 01:57 PM
Rios by far. Just too bad he lost this AO final against that doper

ReturnWinner
09-16-2007, 01:58 PM
Rios of course, Johansson is one of the biggest overachievers ever, not just with that slam which he won but with that master series won with a non strong field , in the only time he surpassed the qf (well so it was in the slam he won althought he made a semis in wimbledon three years later)

LeChuck
09-16-2007, 02:09 PM
Rios never reached the semi-final stage at Roland Garros, and only reached the quarter-final stage twice, which is a very a poor return for him considering that he won the titles at Monte-Carlo, Rome and Hamburg in 1997, 1998 and 1999 respectively.

MariaV
09-16-2007, 02:19 PM
My vote went to ToJo! :hatoff: :worship: :bowdown:
The question here is not who is more talented (or crazy :p) so... gotta give it to ToJo, my respect! :hatoff:

*Viva Chile*
09-16-2007, 02:25 PM
Johansson is the definition of "Lucky Slam Wonder" while Marcelo is the definition of "best player that never won a slam".

MariaV
09-16-2007, 02:28 PM
Johansson is the definition of "Lucky Slam Wonder" while Marcelo is the definition of "best player that never won a slam".
Naah, ToJo is the definition of "making the maximum of one's abilities". :D

selyoink
09-16-2007, 02:32 PM
Johansson has a slam. Rios doesn't. End of story. In my opinion anyway.

*Viva Chile*
09-16-2007, 02:39 PM
Rios: 18 titles in 8 pro career years. Was nº 1
Johansson: 9 titles in 13 pro career years. Best ranking: 7 (thanks to that lucky AO)

Like GlennMirnyi says, TITLES!!! that's whats counts.

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=Johansson%2C+Thomas&player2=rios%2C+marcelo

even in $$$$$$ Marcelo has the advantage :lol:

Adler
09-16-2007, 02:47 PM
Marcelo is the definition of "best player that never won a slam".
no. check this guy's slam results:
http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/?playernumber=M052

*Viva Chile*
09-16-2007, 02:50 PM
no. check this guy's slam results:
http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/?playernumber=M052

add next to my phrase: "...along with "Big :cat:" Mecir :worship:

CmonAussie
09-16-2007, 02:55 PM
***************
~~~~~
Marcelo is overrated
ToJo is underrated

The Chilean got #1
The Swede got a SLAM

>>>>...they both did pretty well, but Rios`s moronic attitude meant it was bad karma that prevented him winning a SLAM
on the hand Thomas is one of the nicest guys on tour, so it was good karma that he won a SLAM<:)

scarecrows
09-16-2007, 02:59 PM
Isner


or Puerta

scoobs
09-16-2007, 03:07 PM
I can't base it purely on winning a slam vs not winning a slam

By that token I'd have to class Petr Korda as greater than Marcelo Rios, and my brain refuses to compute that.

Jimnik
09-16-2007, 03:18 PM
ToJo never even made it into the top 5.

0 GS, 5 TMS > 1 GS, 0 TMS

Especially when three of those Masters Series titles are IW, Miami and Monte-Carlo.


edit: Correction, ToJo does have 1 TMS (Canada) but it doesn't change my opinion. :p

Burrow
09-16-2007, 03:51 PM
How long till Madrid?

I vote Johansson. The question was "Who is greater?" Johannson had greater success because he won a slam. Rios is possibly the most overrated player of all time.

In your opinion. You seem to think Slams are everything.

Johansson has won half the titles of Rios and Rios was the best player in the world at one point.
Johansson only got to 7th in the rankings. That alone makes me feel Rios had more success.

"Each to there own"

R.Federer
09-16-2007, 04:07 PM
Marcelo leads in pretty much every category, except that Thomas has won a Slam.

Last week I was about to compile some basic stats to compare Hewitt v/s Kafelnikov. Even though Hewitt's career is not over.

Two slams each, No. 1 ranking each,. a few TMS each, terrible H2H with the reigning No. 1 of their times. Barring another great run at titles by Hewitt, their careers look similar.

GlennMirnyi
09-16-2007, 04:50 PM
Johansson. He at least won something big in his career.

Sjengster
09-16-2007, 04:56 PM
He also made the semis of a Slam twice, something Rios failed to do.

guille&tati4life
09-16-2007, 05:01 PM
Rios

Renaud
09-16-2007, 05:10 PM
Let's keep this topics for off season :)
I have got a lot of excellent ideas.

Who is greater :
- Federer or Sampras ? (original, never done)

- Clement or Schuettler ? (everybody have an opinion about this one)

- Carlos Boluda or Bill Tilden ? (i'm sure some people already thinks Boluda is the best but some people will argue he doesn't use wooden rackets)

- Led Zepellin or Deep Purple ? ( Stairway to heaven or Child in time ? Black dog or Smoke on the water ?)

-Couscous or Paella ?

CmonAussie
09-16-2007, 05:19 PM
Last week I was about to compile some basic stats to compare Hewitt v/s Kafelnikov. Even though Hewitt's career is not over.

Two slams each, No. 1 ranking each,. a few TMS each, terrible H2H with the reigning No. 1 of their times. Barring another great run at titles by Hewitt, their careers look similar.


Hewitt >>>> Kafelnikov;)

*Slams 2-each
*Slam finals [Lleyton 2 vs. 1 Yevgeny]
*TMC [Lleyton 2 vs. 0 Yevgeny]
*TMS [Lleyton 2 vs. 0 Yevgeny]
*YE#1 [Lleyton 2 vs. 0 Yevgeny]
*Davis Cup winning sides [Lleyton 2 vs. 1 Yevgeny]
*MM-titles [Yevgeny a couple more than Lleyton]

KitinovRules
09-16-2007, 05:55 PM
Rios of course- on court game as well as offcourt (pissing in the middle of the bar somewhere in Chile).
What an ass.....

World Beater
09-16-2007, 06:00 PM
Hewitt >>>> Kafelnikov;)

*Slams 2-each
*Slam finals [Lleyton 2 vs. 1 Yevgeny]
*TMC [Lleyton 2 vs. 0 Yevgeny]
*TMS [Lleyton 2 vs. 0 Yevgeny]
*YE#1 [Lleyton 2 vs. 0 Yevgeny]
*Davis Cup winning sides [Lleyton 2 vs. 1 Yevgeny]
*MM-titles [Yevgeny a couple more than Lleyton]

hewitt is FAR greater than kafelnikov.

there should be no comparison.

hewitt has a much better h-h with federer than yevgeny did with his contemporaries. no contest.

World Beater
09-16-2007, 06:01 PM
who was a better tennis player?

rios

who had the greater career?

johansson

too many people underrate tojo though. he had one of the best bh's and his serve was pretty good when he was at his best.

Sjengster
09-16-2007, 06:04 PM
At the 2002 AO he wasn't only the champion, he was the ace leader for the tournament - granted, he played a lot more than sets than Safin to get to the final, but he's probably one of the best servers under six feet tall.

Boris Franz Ecker
09-16-2007, 06:15 PM
Players as Henman, Corretja, Rios, etc... had a better career than this Johansson boy.

shotgun
09-16-2007, 06:16 PM
The fact that Rios got to no. 1 while ToJo's career-high is no. 7 says enough. Not the same, but it's a bit like saying Albert Portas is greater than Fernando Gonzalez because he has won a TMS shield.

GlennMirnyi
09-16-2007, 06:18 PM
The fact that Rios got to no. 1 while ToJo's career-high is no. 7 says enough. Not the same, but it's a bit like saying Albert Portas is greater than Fernando Gonzalez because he has won a TMS shield.

A GS title isn't a TMS, mate. It means nothing being #1 and not being able to win anything really important.

GlennMirnyi
09-16-2007, 06:20 PM
hewitt is FAR greater than kafelnikov.

there should be no comparison.

hewitt has a much better h-h with federer than yevgeny did with his contemporaries. no contest.

Since when Federer is the H2H standard to compare the greatness of players?

shotgun
09-16-2007, 06:28 PM
A GS title isn't a TMS, mate. It means nothing being #1 and not being able to win anything really important.

You're basically summing a career up because of one or two matches. I don't think Johansson should be deemed a greater player than Rios just because he has managed to beat Safin in the 2002 AO final while Rios couldn't beat Korda four years earlier.

In 1998 Rios was holding 3 TMS titles + the Grand Slam Cup. As much as I respect ToJo, he wouldn't dream of achieving something like that.

l_mac
09-16-2007, 06:29 PM
In your opinion. You seem to think Slams are everything.

Johansson has won half the titles of Rios and Rios was the best player in the world at one point.
Johansson only got to 7th in the rankings. That alone makes me feel Rios had more success.

"Each to there own"

Slams won seem to be the measure of determining how "great" a player's career is. Rios had an abysmal Slam record for a former #1 player. Is Rios the only player to be ranked #1 never to have won a Slam?

World Beater
09-16-2007, 06:30 PM
Since when Federer is the H2H standard to compare the greatness of players?

i was answering that posters question that hewitt has similar h-h with his contemporaries as kafelnikov had with his.

hewitt's h-h is good with roddick, safin, ferrero etc, and reasonable with federer.

kafelnikov h-h was worse against his contemporaries. go look it up.

l_mac
09-16-2007, 06:32 PM
In 1998 Rios was holding 3 TMS titles + the Grand Slam Cup. As much as I respect ToJo, he wouldn't dream of achieving something like that.

Without a Slam win it is hard to argue that Rios ever acheived greatness. ToJo did, albeit only in that one tournament. Therefore Tojo > Rios.

shotgun
09-16-2007, 06:38 PM
Without a Slam win it is hard to argue that Rios ever acheived greatness. ToJo did, albeit only in that one tournament. Therefore Tojo > Rios.

None of them were "greats". To achieve "greatness" you need to be more than a one-Slam wonder or simply reaching no. 1.

GlennMirnyi
09-16-2007, 06:39 PM
You're basically summing a career up because of one or two matches. I don't think Johansson should be deemed a greater player than Rios just because he has managed to beat Safin in the 2002 AO final while Rios couldn't beat Korda four years earlier.

In 1998 Rios was holding 3 TMS titles + the Grand Slam Cup. As much as I respect ToJo, he wouldn't dream of achieving something like that.

One or two matches? No. It's about winning when matters. If Rios couldn't beat a guy like Korda (far from being a great) it's because he doesn't have what it takes. You can win 500 matches on challengers. What does it mean for greatness? I bet Johansson would never change his career for Rios'.

TMS titles aren't really anything compared to GS titles. Sorry. Winning 6 three-set matches are nothing compared to winning 7 five-set matches on a much bigger stage. Fitness, pressure... it's another level.

i was answering that posters question that hewitt has similar h-h with his contemporaries as kafelnikov had with his.

hewitt's h-h is good with roddick, safin, ferrero etc, and reasonable with federer.

kafelnikov h-h was worse against his contemporaries. go look it up.

What I mean is: H2H means nothing when comparing greatness.

l_mac
09-16-2007, 06:42 PM
None of them were "greats". To achieve "greatness" you need to be more than a one-Slam wonder or simply reaching no. 1.]

I said Johannson achieved greatness for that one tournament. I didn't claim for one second that he was a great. In my opinion Rios didn't achieve greatness for even a brief moment, so therefore Johannson was "greater."

Naide
09-16-2007, 06:48 PM
El chino :rocker2:

shotgun
09-16-2007, 06:57 PM
One or two matches? No. It's about winning when matters. If Rios couldn't beat a guy like Korda (far from being a great) it's because he doesn't have what it takes. You can win 500 matches on challengers. What does it mean for greatness? I bet Johansson would never change his career for Rios'.

TMS titles aren't really anything compared to GS titles. Sorry. Winning 6 three-set matches are nothing compared to winning 7 five-set matches on a much bigger stage. Fitness, pressure... it's another level.

Tojo didn't have to face a single top 10 on his way to the title, he took advantage of his draw, good on him. Do you know how many top 10s ToJo defeated the year he won the AO? None. Being an opportunist doesn't come close to being a great. If not, might as well start calling guys like Davydenko and Robredo, "greats".

Rios was beating Kuerten on clay, Agassi, Rusedski at his peak. Korda was #7 when he beat him.

Between being the best player of his era not to have won a Slam, and the worst player of his era to have won a Slam, I think I'd rather be the former, but maybe that's just me.

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I said Johannson achieved greatness for that one tournament. I didn't claim for one second that he was a great. In my opinion Rios didn't achieve greatness for even a brief moment, so therefore Johannson was "greater."

I'd rather judge a career by what it was in its entirety, than by a brief moment.

Haile Selassie
09-16-2007, 06:59 PM
None of them were "greats". To achieve "greatness" you need to be more than a one-Slam wonder or simply reaching no. 1.

I agree with you.
But i dont understand, why people in here underrate Thomas, his has a pretty good first serve and a great double-handed backhand, unfortunatly he got injuried but is trying to get back where he belong.
Yes he won only one grand slam, but how many player can do that? He also reached the SF in Wimbledon.

l_mac
09-16-2007, 07:00 PM
I'd rather judge a career by what it was in its entirety, than by a brief moment.

That's fine. :)

GlennMirnyi
09-16-2007, 07:11 PM
Tojo didn't have to face a single top 10 on his way to the title, he took advantage of his draw, good on him. Do you know how many top 10s ToJo defeated the year he won the AO? None. Being an opportunist doesn't come close to being a great. If not, might as well start calling guys like Davydenko and Robredo, "greats".

Rios was beating Kuerten on clay, Agassi, Rusedski at his peak. Korda was #7 when he beat him.

Between being the best player of his era not to have won a Slam, and the worst player of his era to have won a Slam, I think I'd rather be the former, but maybe that's just me.


Life's about opportunities and whether you take it or not. ;)

Nobody called Tojo a great. He's just greater than Rios.

I get your point, but in a sport like tennis it means nothing. What matters if you beat Federer in round 1 and lose to Eschauer in round 2? Or in any other round, other than the final? It's just no use. It just shows you're streaky and can beat some good players in a good day. A career, as you said, isn't about a moment or two.

Well, about your statement, then it's your opinion. Quite fair to me. ;)

jonas
09-16-2007, 07:36 PM
ToJo never even made it into the top 5.

0 GS, 5 TMS > 1 GS, 0 TMS

Especially when three of those Masters Series titles are IW, Miami and Monte-Carlo.


edit: Correction, ToJo does have 1 TMS (Canada) but it doesn't change my opinion. :p

:haha: :haha:

That's the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen. 1GS >>>>>>>> 20 TMS and you know it. No one knows (or cares) how many ATP titles a player has, but everyone knows how many GS he has.

To say that ToJo was lucky, is overrated and a one slam wonder is even worse bullshit. He did a great Wimby 2005 (including crushing Nalbandian in the QF 7-6(5) 6-2 6-2). He was inches from beating Roddick in the SF. If he'd gotten that third set I'm sure he would have won.

1998 he was in the QF in US Open, beating Krajicek and Kafelnikov, before losing 12-10 in final sets tiebreak against an in form Philippoussis.

He's been a solid player for years. 1 GS 1 TMS 9 titles. Loads of F and SF in bigger tournaments.

He beat Kafelnokov in the Toronto TMS final. What's weak about that?

Get a grip. :rolleyes:

Andi-M
09-16-2007, 07:55 PM
Slam >>> No Slam

ToJo!

DrJules
09-16-2007, 08:20 PM
Interesting when best performance at each Grand Slam is compared:

AO: Johansson - winner Rios - runner-up
French Open: Johansson - 2nd round Rios - quarter-final
Wimbledon: Johansson - semi-final Rios - 4th round
US Open: Johansson - quarter final 2 times Rios - quarter final

It is difficult to split, Johansson has slightly better records while Rios has better master series record. Overall feel that there is little between them.

http://www.tenniscorner.net/index.php?corner=m&action=highlight&playerid=JOT001

http://www.tenniscorner.net/index.php?corner=m&action=highlight&playerid=RIM001

DrJules
09-16-2007, 08:22 PM
:haha: :haha:

That's the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen. 1GS >>>>>>>> 20 TMS and you know it. No one knows (or cares) how many ATP titles a player has, but everyone knows how many GS he has.

To say that ToJo was lucky, is overrated and a one slam wonder is even worse bullshit. He did a great Wimby 2005 (including crushing Nalbandian in the QF 7-6(5) 6-2 6-2). He was inches from beating Roddick in the SF. If he'd gotten that third set I'm sure he would have won.

1998 he was in the QF in US Open, beating Krajicek and Kafelnikov, before losing 12-10 in final sets tiebreak against an in form Philippoussis.

He's been a solid player for years. 1 GS 1 TMS 9 titles. Loads of F and SF in bigger tournaments.

He beat Kafelnokov in the Toronto TMS final. What's weak about that?


Get a grip. :rolleyes:

Actually according to ATP 1 GS = 2 MS (200 points vs. 2*100 points)

selyoink
09-16-2007, 08:58 PM
Between being the best player of his era not to have won a Slam, and the worst player of his era to have won a Slam, I think I'd rather be the former, but maybe that's just me.

Johansson is not the weakest player of his era to win a slam. Gaudio is. Gaudio made past 4th round of a slam once in his entire career. Of course that was the one he won. Johansson made past 4th round on a number of occasions.

ChinoRios4Ever
09-16-2007, 09:14 PM
Marcelo CH1NO R1os by far :worship:

MisterQ
09-16-2007, 09:24 PM
It's amazing how badly Rios did at the majors. Anyone who saw him play knew they were looking at something truly special, but his results are not that exceptional.

I would still put Rios ahead of Johansson, however, for his TMS titles, top ranking, and the trouble he gave other top players. (And if we put go outside the realm of statistics, he gets "style points") :lol:

shotgun
09-16-2007, 09:48 PM
Johansson is not the weakest player of his era to win a slam. Gaudio is. Gaudio made past 4th round of a slam once in his entire career. Of course that was the one he won. Johansson made past 4th round on a number of occasions.

It's difficult to say. I won't argue that Johansson was a much more consistent player than Gaudio, though Gaudio's Roland Garros title was more impressive because he defeated two top 10 players on the way, one of them being unarguably the best player on clay at the time (no matter what the circumstances of that win were ;)). Plus, Gaudio went on to reach five consecutive finals on clay (winning two of them) after that title, so it's fair to say he backed up his Slam title a bit more than ToJo.

*Viva Chile*
09-17-2007, 01:00 AM
One or two matches? No. It's about winning when matters. If Rios couldn't beat a guy like Korda (far from being a great) it's because he doesn't have what it takes. You can win 500 matches on challengers. What does it mean for greatness? I bet Johansson would never change his career for Rios'.

TMS titles aren't really anything compared to GS titles. Sorry. Winning 6 three-set matches are nothing compared to winning 7 five-set matches on a much bigger stage. Fitness, pressure... it's another level.



What I mean is: H2H means nothing when comparing greatness.

you're a Rios and chilean players hater, just admit it... :sad: :confused:

GlennMirnyi
09-17-2007, 01:03 AM
:haha: :haha:

That's the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen. 1GS >>>>>>>> 20 TMS and you know it. No one knows (or cares) how many ATP titles a player has, but everyone knows how many GS he has.

To say that ToJo was lucky, is overrated and a one slam wonder is even worse bullshit. He did a great Wimby 2005 (including crushing Nalbandian in the QF 7-6(5) 6-2 6-2). He was inches from beating Roddick in the SF. If he'd gotten that third set I'm sure he would have won.

1998 he was in the QF in US Open, beating Krajicek and Kafelnikov, before losing 12-10 in final sets tiebreak against an in form Philippoussis.

He's been a solid player for years. 1 GS 1 TMS 9 titles. Loads of F and SF in bigger tournaments.

He beat Kafelnokov in the Toronto TMS final. What's weak about that?

Get a grip. :rolleyes:

Exactly.

Johansson is not the weakest player of his era to win a slam. Gaudio is. Gaudio made past 4th round of a slam once in his entire career. Of course that was the one he won. Johansson made past 4th round on a number of occasions.

Gaudio isn't the weakest player of his era to win a slam.

you're a Rios and chilean players hater, just admit it... :sad: :confused:

No, you're the one overrating Rios here.

ChinoRios4Ever
09-17-2007, 03:13 AM
you're a Rios and chilean players hater, just admit it... :sad: :confused:

No doubt about it.

No, you're the one overrating Rios here.

Overrated? numbers are facts. Rios was No. 1, ToJo didnt reach the top 5,

Alonsofz
09-17-2007, 03:23 AM
^ :worship:

Forehander
09-17-2007, 09:32 AM
ok im going to start up a post of comparing sebastien grosjean and rios soon

scarecrows
09-17-2007, 09:38 AM
ok im going to start up a post of comparing sebastien grosjean and rios soon

no need to

Grosjean and his forehand should win every poll

rwn
09-17-2007, 10:33 AM
Rios reached the semifinal stage of a slam only once in his entire career. And he had a very easy draw to do it. Plus a horrible performance in that final against Korda. Rios is the most overrated player in tennis history. Johansson at least beat Safin to win his GS title. Johansson is clearly greater.

Burrow
09-17-2007, 10:50 AM
***************
~~~~~
Marcelo is overrated
ToJo is underrated

The Chilean got #1
The Swede got a SLAM

>>>>...they both did pretty well, but Rios`s moronic attitude meant it was bad karma that prevented him winning a SLAM
on the hand Thomas is one of the nicest guys on tour, so it was good karma that he won a SLAM<:)

What on earth are you talking about?

alfonsojose
09-17-2007, 03:21 PM
Tojo :D

GlennMirnyi
09-17-2007, 04:17 PM
Overrated? numbers are facts. Rios was No. 1, ToJo didnt reach the top 5,

Numbers are facts. Rios won ZERO slams. That means he's not such a big deal.

Rios reached the semifinal stage of a slam only once in his entire career. And he had a very easy draw to do it. Plus a horrible performance in that final against Korda. Rios is the most overrated player in tennis history. Johansson at least beat Safin to win his GS title. Johansson is clearly greater.

This should be quoted everytime anybody talks about Rios.

fmolinari2005
09-17-2007, 05:00 PM
This should be quoted everytime anybody talks about Rios.

Maybe you are right. Talent isnt only about striking the tennis ball nicely. You gotta have the brain power needed to do good things. And the physique.


Sometimes I feel like he is one of those guys that can win all spelling Bee contests throughout the world, but cant write a great book.

And, often times, I read stuff like: he relied too much on his talent to win matches. Look, Marat Safin is a guy that often times does that, and he managed to win two GS titles.

Burrow
09-17-2007, 06:17 PM
Slams won seem to be the measure of determining how "great" a player's career is. Rios had an abysmal Slam record for a former #1 player. Is Rios the only player to be ranked #1 never to have won a Slam?

Not in my view.

You need to look at the whole picture, throughout a person's career.

Bad Religion
09-17-2007, 07:04 PM
Tojo is a generic player , nothing special

Rios was super talented and original . I'd say Rios is better than ToJo

spencercarlos
09-17-2007, 07:13 PM
who was a better tennis player?

rios

who had the greater career?

johansson

too many people underrate tojo though. he had one of the best bh's and his serve was pretty good when he was at his best.
I have to go with this one as well. Talent wise Rios was miles ahead, not even a contest, but carreer wise Johansson´s one was better.

Boris Franz Ecker
09-17-2007, 07:21 PM
:haha: :haha:

That's the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen. 1GS >>>>>>>> 20 TMS and you know it. No one knows (or cares) how many ATP titles a player has, but everyone knows how many GS he has.


Nonsense.
20 TMS titles mean 10 Million dollars and 8 years top 10.
1 GS title means 1 million dollar.
101 of 100 people would chose the 10 million dollars.

Nobody knows Johansson, Rios is even more famous.

Boris Franz Ecker
09-17-2007, 07:24 PM
I have to go with this one as well. Talent wise Rios was miles ahead, not even a contest, but carreer wise Johansson´s one was better.

Be honest, would you chose the 6 million dollars Johansson made or the 11 million dollars Rios made.

Boris Franz Ecker
09-17-2007, 07:27 PM
Every little stupid boy who writes here for a strange reason that Johanssons career was better would chose Rios' career if he could.
Be sure.

Julio1974
09-17-2007, 07:48 PM
The fact that Johansson won a slam is irrelevant. Rios was the better player and had a better career.
It's like arguing that Gaudio had a better career than Nalbandian because he won a GS.

Burrow
09-17-2007, 08:26 PM
I have to go with this one as well. Talent wise Rios was miles ahead, not even a contest, but carreer wise Johansson´s one was better.

Just cause Johansson won a slam and a masters series?

Rios done much more.

Burrow
09-17-2007, 08:27 PM
Be honest, would you chose the 6 million dollars Johansson made or the 11 million dollars Rios made.

Exactly, Rios was only playing for 8 or 9 years too.

Burrow
09-17-2007, 08:35 PM
Nonsense.
20 TMS titles mean 10 Million dollars and 8 years top 10.
1 GS title means 1 million dollar.
101 of 100 people would chose the 10 million dollars.

Nobody knows Johansson, Rios is even more famous.

Yes, 1 grand slam to 20 masters series is the funniest thing I have ever heard.

World Beater
09-17-2007, 09:10 PM
Every little stupid boy who writes here for a strange reason that Johanssons career was better would chose Rios' career if he could.
Be sure.

career is not just about money.

thats like saying "X" number of ISG tournaments equals one slam when on a prestige level there is no comparison.

or that ljubicic >>gaudio...because he won more mickey mouse tournies and earned more money.

blake will also soon be greater than gaudio when most probably he wont win a masters series or a grandslam.

Ceri
09-17-2007, 09:23 PM
Thomas. :hearts: slams beat all.

Albop
09-17-2007, 09:28 PM
so gaudio is better than rios for winning a GS ??

Thats BS :o

GlennMirnyi
09-18-2007, 03:43 AM
Every little stupid boy who writes here for a strange reason that Johanssons career was better would chose Rios' career if he could.
Be sure.

You're the stupidest then.

The fact that Johansson won a slam is irrelevant. Rios was the better player and had a better career.
It's like arguing that Gaudio had a better career than Nalbandian because he won a GS.

It's not. Gaudio's greater than Nalbandian.

Just cause Johansson won a slam and a masters series?

Rios done much more.

No he hasn't.

career is not just about money.

thats like saying "X" number of ISG tournaments equals one slam when on a prestige level there is no comparison.

or that ljubicic >>gaudio...because he won more mickey mouse tournies and earned more money.

blake will also soon be greater than gaudio when most probably he wont win a masters series or a grandslam.

Very true.

so gaudio is better than rios for winning a GS ??

Thats BS :o

It's not about "better", it's about "greater", or in other words, who achieved more.

jole
09-18-2007, 04:08 AM
Rios by a long shizot.

Mimi
09-18-2007, 07:27 AM
neither of them is great :devil:

CmonAussie
09-18-2007, 10:22 AM
neither of them is great :devil:


that`s a fair comment:devil:

however the question is "which is greater...", not "which is great...";)

Aphex
09-18-2007, 10:37 AM
:lol: It's a shame the interview where ToJo calls Rios his favourite player isn't available on the web.
Edit: Or maybe it was the best player he's ever met.

Burrow
09-18-2007, 12:59 PM
But I'd imagine Johansson would have met Sampras...he would be the best player he has ever met.

TennisGrandSlam
09-18-2007, 03:59 PM
Rios won 7 titles in 1998 : Auckland, Indian Wells, Miami, Rome, St. Poelten, Grand Slam Cup, Singapore, also Runner-up in Australian Open.


But Johansson won it in 2002 :devil: