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Wimbledon final

Xman
09-14-2007, 12:47 AM
Ive just seen it again and I think the first two sets was the best tennis Ive seen since Aussie Open 05( Safin-Federer).

Also its the best Ive seen Rafa play. He was hitting as good as Ive ever seen him hit and really dominating the rallies

I really thought Rafa was in decline with his fitness and all, but this match reassures me that Rafa, with all his problems in the US, and if his schedule gets better, hasnt reached his peak yet.

RagingLamb
09-14-2007, 01:16 AM
it all depends on how he takes care of himself

MatchFederer
09-14-2007, 02:03 AM
:shrug:

Nadal, when he is comfortable with a surface and his tactics, is a dangerous, DANgerous tennis player.

I agree with what you say about the quality of the 1st 2 sets in that Wimbledon final.. sets 3,4 and 5 were pretty good too. All in all, it was a match played at a high level.

EDIT: Will Nadal ever be comfortable with his tactics on hardcourts?

leng jai
09-14-2007, 02:05 AM
I thought you were going to say that grass court tennis is in a sorry state when a moonballer like Nadal can make the final two years in a row playing predominately from the baseline.

Johnny Groove
09-14-2007, 02:08 AM
I thought you were going to say that grass court tennis is in a sorry state when a moonballer like Nadal can make the final two years in a row playing predominately from the baseline.

If Haas made the final, he'd have done it from the baseline. Would you say grass court tennis is in a sorry state then?

leng jai
09-14-2007, 02:14 AM
If Haas made it to the final no one would complain because he actually has an attacking slice backhand and good netplay.

Johnny Groove
09-14-2007, 02:51 AM
And those are classic grass court skills, many would agree.

And yet, he has never made it past the R16 :shrug:

Perhaps the way to play on grass has changed

leng jai
09-14-2007, 02:54 AM
And thats my point. Its also interesting that Haas came to net a lot more in the US Open than he did at Wimbledon. Just shows how much slower it is now. I also have no explanation why my favourite player hasn't made it to at least a QF. Theoretically he should be good on grass but for some reason hes had barely any success at Wimbledon.

Fingolfin
09-14-2007, 03:25 AM
To me, it seems that it's about how much Nadal wants it. He's the so-called King of Clay, so he wants to defend that title very much, plus he loves the surface. With Wimbledon, he really really wants it, and so I honestly think he tries harder on clay and grass than on hard courts.

FedFan_2007
09-14-2007, 04:57 AM
Poor Nadal. He'll never match Roger's 4 consecutive US Opens.

caleb_123
09-14-2007, 05:05 AM
its strange how a few years ago when ppl where complaining about how fast the courts where at wimbledon so the organisers change it now ppl are complaining about how slow the courts are now. Can't win should just get over it.

GlennMirnyi
09-14-2007, 05:06 AM
Ive just seen it again and I think the first two sets was the best tennis Ive seen since Aussie Open 05( Safin-Federer).

Also its the best Ive seen Rafa play. He was hitting as good as Ive ever seen him hit and really dominating the rallies

I really thought Rafa was in decline with his fitness and all, but this match reassures me that Rafa, with all his problems in the US, and if his schedule gets better, hasnt reached his peak yet.

Time to check the optometrist, you gotta be blind.

Xman
09-14-2007, 09:54 AM
Time to check the optometrist, you gotta be blind.

So it was not a good match? :confused:

Apemant
09-14-2007, 09:55 AM
If you rewatch Federer-Sampras of 2001, you can clearly see how much the grass has changed. There were no 'rallies' in that match, maybe one in 20 points. It's mostly service winners, return winners, or net points. Sometimes a good return which draws a forced error. Rallies of 4 or more strokes rarely happened, and when they did, a good offensive shot would pretty much win you the point.

Kalliopeia
09-14-2007, 11:03 AM
So it was not a good match? :confused:

Word of advice, since you're new. GlennMirnyi will never, ever, voluntarily and intentionally say anything that could be construed as even the slightest bit complimentary to Rafael Nadal. He'd die first. So don't pay any attention to him, he rarely makes sense. :)

BlueSwan
09-14-2007, 11:24 AM
Yes, it was a very good match. Nadal played exceptionally well - maybe the best match he's ever played outside of the claycourts (he'd beat God on a claycourt). Being a Fed fan, I felt convinced that Nadal would win the match while watching it. For the first four sets there's really no doubt that he was the better player out there. Fed managed to win a couple of tiebreaks and thrived on his serve, but was basically being outplayed from the back of the court. To outplay Federer from the back of the court at Wimbledon, you basically have to play the match of your life.

Honestly, I was very happy to see Federer win, and he did bring his A game in the fifth set after he survived those two service games where he faced breakpoints, but I still feel that Nadal deserved to win the title. I don't think there's another example in Wimbledon history of a player playing THAT well, yet still not winning. Credit to Fed for pulling that win out of his ass. Part of what makes him the GOAT. Still feel a bit sorry for Nadal, I'm not sure he'll ever win Wimbledon.

stebs
09-14-2007, 11:59 AM
And thats my point. Its also interesting that Haas came to net a lot more in the US Open than he did at Wimbledon. Just shows how much slower it is now. I also have no explanation why my favourite player hasn't made it to at least a QF. Theoretically he should be good on grass but for some reason hes had barely any success at Wimbledon.

Since 99' it's been pretty tough stuff for him.

Lost to Arthurs in three straight breakers.

Lost to Rosset 9-7 in the fifth.

Retired

Lost to Malisse (A very good grass courter when his mind is on it)

Retired

Lost to Berdych 8-6 in the fifth.

Pulled out.

You can argue he should be winning some of these matches which are basically toss ups and yes that's true but still, hasn't been terrible defeats for him and a good draw and Haas getting his act together and he can still make a run. He certainly has the tennis in him.

leng jai
09-14-2007, 12:11 PM
Hes had terrible luck in his career and especially at Wimbledon. The last two years wouldn't have been that bad considering he drew Federer in the 4th round both times. They would have been exciting matches though with actual grass court tennis being played.

Jaffas85
09-14-2007, 12:13 PM
It was Federer's serve that continually got him out of trouble in that final.

Twice in the fifth set he was down 40-15 on his serve and was just able to produce great first serves to get out of trouble.

So had he gotten nervous in the final set Nadal would have taken advantage and won the match but Federer held it together.

I'm sure that by 2010 that Nadal will win Wimbledon (While Roddick will most likely never win it).

stebs
09-14-2007, 12:19 PM
Hes had terrible luck in his career and especially at Wimbledon. The last two years wouldn't have been that bad considering he drew Federer in the 4th round both times. They would have been exciting matches though with actual grass court tennis being played.

Well the quality would undoubtedly be high but in terms of excitment for the clowns of this board who think a matches quality directly realtes to scoreline it probably wouldn't be. I mean Haas doesn't have a lot to hurt Federer on a grass court but I definately agree it would be great stuff to watch even though I don't realistically see Haas giving Federer any trouble.

As for the luck well yes that has played a part and Haas certainly had the ability to reach a slam final but injuries hit players and for Haas it happened more than once but even so when he was fit he has missed some oppurtunities and that is not luck but I am sure it's tough for him when a little doubt about his fitness is probably always in his mind.

Forehander
09-14-2007, 03:00 PM
Wimbledon was Nadal's peak tennis for sure in aggressive form. I wish he would continue to improve this type of tennis on hard courts.

rwn
09-15-2007, 11:00 AM
Yes, it was a very good match. Nadal played exceptionally well - maybe the best match he's ever played outside of the claycourts (he'd beat God on a claycourt). Being a Fed fan, I felt convinced that Nadal would win the match while watching it. For the first four sets there's really no doubt that he was the better player out there. Fed managed to win a couple of tiebreaks and thrived on his serve, but was basically being outplayed from the back of the court. To outplay Federer from the back of the court at Wimbledon, you basically have to play the match of your life.

Honestly, I was very happy to see Federer win, and he did bring his A game in the fifth set after he survived those two service games where he faced breakpoints, but I still feel that Nadal deserved to win the title. I don't think there's another example in Wimbledon history of a player playing THAT well, yet still not winning. Credit to Fed for pulling that win out of his ass. Part of what makes him the GOAT. Still feel a bit sorry for Nadal, I'm not sure he'll ever win Wimbledon.

Nadal deserved nothing. He had to earn it and didn't do it. It's like saying that Federer deserved Roland Garros because he had more breakpoints than Nadal.

Greenday
09-15-2007, 11:16 AM
Nadal deserved nothing. He had to earn it and didn't do it. It's like saying that Federer deserved Roland Garros because he had more breakpoints than Nadal.

Spot on. I dont see these same guys not complaining abt the fact the roger has as many as 17 break points and converted jus one in RG...in tht case fed is not good enough to beat rafa on clay so he couldnt convert...as some one pointed out rafa can beat god on clay..if thts their opinion...nothing more u can say...jesus......these so called fans are pretty fast in giving rafa credit because he couldnt make use of 4 breakpoints in the 5th set.....its just feds matchup against nadal....nadal was EXTREMELY lucky to get to final...should have lost to soderling in the 2nd rnd...tht guy had break points on rafa's serve on 5th set.....but rafa is a fighter in tht case and fed is lucky when he comes out of same situation....youzhny was spanking him..if not for injury rafa should hv lost the match in straight sets.....and djokovic retires in semifinals....wat more do u need.....Fed always hv troubles against nadal.....he never feels comfortable against him.....but there are many guys who can beat rafa on grass or hard court.....Fed will always hv troubles aginst rafa no matter on which surface they play...tht doesnt make rafa a great player on grass......

t0x
09-15-2007, 07:42 PM
I thought Nadal played his best match ever on grass, for all 5 sets.

Federer didn't really hit top form until right at the end though. I think the fifth set was brilliant, 2 players at the top of their games. The scoreline is very harsh on Nadal, that fifth set was close.

Johnny Groove
09-15-2007, 08:08 PM
I thought Nadal played his best match ever on grass, for all 5 sets.

Federer didn't really hit top form until right at the end though. I think the fifth set was brilliant, 2 players at the top of their games. The scoreline is very harsh on Nadal, that fifth set was close.

I think when Nadal failed to get all 4 bps in that 5th set, when Federer held for 3-2, Nadal kind of lost some spirirt. After the changeover when Nadal served at 2-3, he fought, but he got broken right after he lost all those bps. When Federer served the game at 4-2, Nadal seemed disinterested, heartbroken, just kind of defeated looking. It didnt help that Federer's serve was painting lines, but Nadal just looked disheartened. :shrug:

l_mac
09-15-2007, 08:10 PM
I think when Nadal failed to get all 4 bps in that 5th set, when Federer held for 3-2, Nadal kind of lost some spirirt. After the changeover when Nadal served at 2-3, he fought, but he got broken right after he lost all those bps. When Federer served the game at 4-2, Nadal seemed disinterested, heartbroken, just kind of defeated looking. It didnt help that Federer's serve was painting lines, but Nadal just looked disheartened. :shrug:

He still fought like crazy though. I don't think he appeared disinterested at all during the match, and he didn't look defeated till he was sitting down at the end with his head bowed :sad:

propi
09-15-2007, 08:26 PM
Was a great match, but Nadal failed at what he usually excels when playing Roger... saving break points... that time it was Roger who saved a ton of break points especially in the beginning of the fifth set... :)
As it's said around here... Federer and Nadal are possible the reasons why their career won't be as good as it should be... Federer will win less RG he deserves (if he wins) and Nadal will do the same with Wimbledon (if he ever wins).

Sjengster
09-15-2007, 08:36 PM
Nadal didn't do well at saving the breakpoints, true, but he barely had any to save, which was the most remarkable thing about the match for me - Federer broke Nadal's opening serve of the match on his third chance, then had one, count it, one breakpoint (first game of the third set) on the Nadal serve all the way up to 3-2 in the fifth set, then broke him twice in a row. Perhaps he found it hard to adjust under pressure on his serve when he'd been having so many comfortable holds, but at the same time Federer finally remembered how to play aggressively on the returns and from the baseline after about 3 and a half hours of tentative tactics.