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Why Fed doesn't like Nole...

ZakMcCrack
09-13-2007, 04:22 PM
...and what had happened back in time when Switzerland played Serbia in Daviscup. Just take a look at what had been written afterwards on the official homepage of the Joker:

Novak's father Srdjan Djokovic: "Federer scared!"
Novak Djokovic is indignant at the way Roger Federer accused him! While out tennis player, following great battle in Geneva, congratulated the Swiss on victory with a handful of compliments, world's best player improperly stated that Djokovic had been misusing medical time outs and that his injuries had been "funny".
- Novak is appalled by what Federer said and still cannot believe that Swiss tennis player accused him in such a disgraceful manner. To put it bluntly, Novak was speechless – said the father of our best tennis player, Srdjan Djokovic. – Roger's statement reveals that he is, in fact, a great player but a humble, very humble person!

Srdjan Djokovic underlines that Novak never abused a medical time out.
- Anyone who knows my son or anyone who has seen him on court at least a few times, is aware of the fact that he is a true sportsman. Novak is currently the only tennis player in the world who applauds when the opponent wins a beautiful point! There's no room for talk about pretences, since he injured his crutch in the match against Stanislas Wawrinka on Friday, but despite that he gave it his best shot against Federer. People seem to forget that Novak is still very young and that difficult, marathon matches represent an immense effort for him.

The father of our tennis player pinpoints the reason why the Swiss accused Novak.
- Basically, Federer was afraid! He is well aware of the fact that Novak will soon reach the very top, that he'll be No. 1 on the ATP list and that is the reason behind his scandalous statements. Even after the match in Geneva, Novak approached Federer to give him a sportsman's hug and to congratulate him, but he looked away!

Since Federer gave his statements, the Djokovic family found it difficult to read the writings of national media.
- Believe me when I say that Novak cried when he had read the reports in our papers. During those three days, he fought vigorously for our country, and came back to read insults in printed and electronic media, which focused on Federer's unfair allegations, leaving out the play of our national team – Srdjan Djokovic expressed his bitterness.

NOVAK No. 1
Srdjan Djokovic is mostly bothered by the fact that nobody stood up for Novak.
- Neither the Tennis Association, nor the journalists, no one defended Novak. I fear that many will regret this. We are obviously left to ourselves, but despite that, Novak will be world's best tennis player – says Srdjan Djokovic.

Translated by Marija Novkovic

Forehander
09-13-2007, 05:36 PM
lol i gotta say his dad is an absolute prick. He's just another stubborn proud parents in the likes of Russian, Serbia and so on. These guys are smart , they're great people. But it is their arrogance, over-confidence, stubborness and the way they still live in the past that lead to their downfall.

thrust
09-13-2007, 06:09 PM
Perhaps the father is telling the truth? It is natural for a father to stand up for his son. Roger, the best player in the world, did not need to make those insulting statements even IF what he said was true. Novak does seem to be a very nice person who gives credit to other players who make great shots against him. Roger was lucky Novak choked away all those set points in the first two sets of the USO final. Perhaps Roger likes Novak better now-lol!!

kobulingam
09-13-2007, 06:31 PM
Roger was beginning to like Novak until the US Open, when Novak started getting back messages again. Monaco complained about this and Roger probably saw that match.

l_mac
09-13-2007, 06:32 PM
Roger's statement reveals that he is, in fact, a great player but a humble, very humble person!

I think something was lost in translation there.

Novak is currently the only tennis player in the world who applauds when the opponent wins a beautiful point!

:haha: The one and ONLY!! :haha:

The Djokovics are :retard:

FedFan_2007
09-13-2007, 06:33 PM
I'm glad Roger called Nole out on those medical timeouts as "a joke". Brings more interest to tennis. We need spats, rivalries, real hatred between players. However Fedal fans unite in their love for Roger/Rafa.

lisaplenske
09-13-2007, 06:49 PM
djokovic has to work his stamina or be a better actor than that.:o

federer was right.

*Viva Chile*
09-13-2007, 07:03 PM
this thread will be for a long time :zzz:

Apemant
09-13-2007, 07:25 PM
- Novak is appalled by what Federer said and still cannot believe that Swiss tennis player accused him in such a disgraceful manner. To put it bluntly, Novak was speechless – said the father of our best tennis player, Srdjan Djokovic. – Roger's statement reveals that he is, in fact, a great player but a humble, very humble person!

:devil:
Some translation. I'm willing to bet my house that he said something quite the opposite... :)

Apemant
09-13-2007, 07:28 PM
Roger was beginning to like Novak until the US Open, when Novak started getting back messages again. Monaco complained about this and Roger probably saw that match.

Those quotes are a year old, I don't think Roger reiterated them after this year's USO. So it has nothing to do with Monaco match I think

Farenhajt
09-13-2007, 07:53 PM
Those quotes are a year old, I don't think Roger reiterated them after this year's USO. So it has nothing to do with Monaco match I think

Save your breath. Major Tools & Fools (MTF) don't stop to think or at least fake some coherence when bashing :)

ezekiel
09-13-2007, 11:23 PM
the translation is problematic but the essence is true and his father seems like a prophet

magnoliaewan
09-13-2007, 11:34 PM
Federer afraid of Djokovic? :haha:

gomeny
09-13-2007, 11:38 PM
They're both giant vaginas!

R.Federer
09-13-2007, 11:40 PM
Funny that Federer does not call Nadal a joke, even though it is Nadal and not djokovic who for 2 years has been way way closer to him. And 5-8 in the h2h. If there is anyone Federer may have been afraid of it is Nadal. Not djokovic. How ridiculous this father is! :rolls:


One of those omnipresent eastern european pushy dads. Damir, Yuri and now this clown. :haha: What a collection we have :rolleyes: Why can't they just do their own thing and not try to get a name for themselves through their kids? Shoo!

gomeny
09-13-2007, 11:45 PM
Funny that Federer does not call Nadal a joke, even though it is Nadal and not djokovic who for 2 years has been way way closer to him. And 5-8 in the h2h. If there is anyone Federer may have been afraid of it is Nadal. Not djokovic. How ridiculous this father is! :rolls:


One of those omnipresent eastern european pushy dads. Damir, Yuri and now this clown. :haha: What a collection we have :rolleyes: Why can't they just do their own thing and not try to get a name for themselves through their kids? Shoo!

They grew up living for the children, and only want the best from them.

R.Federer
09-13-2007, 11:47 PM
They grew up living for the children, and only want the best from them.
Sitting politely in your childrens' box and cheering on and not giving outrageous and incorrect statements to the media is also consistent with wanting the best for them.
Take a note from the Nadals or the Federers or the Roddicks (talking about parents). They just mind their own business and their comments if any to the media are not for their kids to hide behind.

This is not new. Every generation a few pairs of weird pushy clownish parents emerge on the scene. This generation is well represented :rolleyes:

World Beater
09-13-2007, 11:49 PM
Sitting politely in your childrens' box and cheering on and not giving outrageous and incorrect statements to the media is also consistent with wanting the best for them.
Take a note from the Nadals or the Federers or the Roddicks (talking about parents). They just mind their own business and their comments if any to the media are not for their kids to hide behind.

This is not new. Every generation a few pairs of weird pushy clownish parents emerge on the scene. This generation is well represented :rolleyes:

i wouldnt describe nole's dad as "pushy". He's just extremely proud and has huge confidence in his kid. I dont think he's like a damir dokic or pierce's dad in that way.

to be fair, roddick's parents, federer's parents etc were not around when these guys were scrapping their first few years on tour. Whereas joker's parents have been there from the very beginning. Federer's parents and roddick's parents are used to the success and there's no reason to be so ostentatious.

Its still a new thing for joker winning big matches, and for a guy like isner winning atp tour level matches.

gomeny
09-13-2007, 11:54 PM
Sitting politely in your childrens' box and cheering on and not giving outrageous and incorrect statements to the media is also consistent with wanting the best for them.
Take a note from the Nadals or the Federers or the Roddicks (talking about parents). They just mind their own business and their comments if any to the media are not for their kids to hide behind.

This is not new. Every generation a few pairs of weird pushy clownish parents emerge on the scene. This generation is well represented :rolleyes:

They’re basically like Asian American parents. They want the best for their children, and because of this they might not necessarily have a healthy objective view of the situation.

R.Federer
09-13-2007, 11:55 PM
i wouldnt describe nole's dad as "pushy". He's just extremely proud and has huge confidence in his kid. I dont think he's like a damir dokic or pierce's dad in that way.
He's a mix of Williams in his comments and Dokic in his brilliant media savvy. He should do his son a favor and refrain from giving these wild statements to the media. It is not doing a service to his kid.

Pierce was another kettle of fish. I haven't included him in this lineup though.

R.Federer
09-13-2007, 11:57 PM
They’re basically like Asian American parents. They want the best for their children, and because of this they might not necessarily have a healthy objective view of the situation.
I don't know too many Asian American parents. You're saying that Asian American parents would denigrate a possible competitor of their child publicly... ? I know only one set of parents (and not Asian American but Asian German) and they are not like that at all!

Farenhajt
09-13-2007, 11:57 PM
...even though it is Nadal and not djokovic who for 2 years has been way way closer to him.

This exactly IS a reason why Federer is NOT afraid of Nadal. Rafa's been close, true, but for too long without really jeopardizing Roger, and they both know it does mean something after two years.

In a nutshell: Rafa has the stamina, but has no play. Novak has no stamina, but has the play. Which one would you be more afraid of in Roger's place? (Hint: It's much easier to improve your body than your play.)

gomeny
09-14-2007, 12:01 AM
I don't know too many Asian American parents. You're saying that Asian American parents would denigrate a possible competitor of their child publicly... ? I know only one set of parents (and not Asian American but Asian German) and they are not like that at all!


Anyway, he's basically the chad johnson of tennis parents.

l_mac
09-14-2007, 12:03 AM
This exactly IS a reason why Federer is NOT afraid of Nadal. Rafa's been close, true, but for too long without really jeopardizing Roger, and they both know it does mean something after two years.

In a nutshell: Rafa has the stamina, but has no play. Novak has no stamina, but has the play. Which one would you be more afraid of in Roger's place? (Hint: It's much easier to improve your body than your play.)

:haha:

R.Federer
09-14-2007, 12:06 AM
This exactly IS a reason why Federer is NOT afraid of Nadal. Rafa's been close, true, but for too long without really jeopardizing Roger, and they both know it does mean something after two years.

In a nutshell: Rafa has the stamina, but has no play. Novak has no stamina, but has the play. Which one you would be more afraid of in Roger's place? (Hint: It's much easier to improve your body than your play.)

That's a fallacy. Nadal has owned him on clay, come desperately close on his beloved grass, overtaken him at some point in the race and been on his heels for Number 1. He has a winning H2H against him. If there is anybody he has had to watch out for, it is Nadal. It is only laughable to think that this father, last year, made comments about Federer being "scared" of djokovic.

What has djokovic done? He has won one match out of 5!! And these comments were made when he had won nothing of any significance and lost all his matches to Federer. And Federer would be scared of him?

And as for "Rafa has no play".... you cannot be serious :) I mean, yes you want to support djokovic and go ahead, but this is just a laugh.

niko
09-14-2007, 12:09 AM
The #1 reason why Roger is afraid of Novak, he may not let him reach the GOAL.

l_mac
09-14-2007, 12:11 AM
The #1 reason why Roger is afraid of Novak, he may not let him reach the GOAL.

I don't think they are friendly enough to play football together.

I don't think Roger is afraid of Nole.

elessar
09-14-2007, 12:16 AM
There are so many idiotics statements in your post that I don't even know where to start :rolleyes:

First of all :This exactly IS a reason why Federer is NOT afraid of Nadal.
In just about every interview I've seen of Federer when he's asked who's his toughest competitor he logically answers nadal

Rafa's been close, true, but for too long without really jeopardizing Roger Rafa took at least one or two RG crowns away from Roger, thus preventing him from winning THE SLAM and pushed him big time at wimby, no one has even come close to doing that

Rafa has the stamina, but has no play.
... Nadal's not the only athlete in the world with amazing stamina but I've yet to see any of them do what he can do on a clay court...

Novak has no stamina, but has the play
And the for the finish : drum rolls plz.... the reason he's tired at the end of slams is because of the amount of time he spends on the court grinding matches because most of the time he can't win easily , which means that his play or if you prefer his style of play, is the problem not his stamina.

alexbayen
09-14-2007, 12:27 AM
I am a huge fan of Federer. But I still think he over-reacted to the whole Djokovic issue. Other Federer fans may like it or not but Djokovic does applaud Federer shots, does seem very friendly at the net (while Federer seems really cold/bitchy) and Novak definitely has a nice personality off the court. I am not yet a fan of Novak's game because I don't really see anything exciting in it but he's 20 and it's possible he may develop into a brilliant player.

But I really don't get why Federer puts down Novak time and again. The statements made by Novak's father are Novak's fathers! Not Novak's. I don't think Novak fakes injury on the court. He does seem to get tired. Hopefully he'll improve with time.

But honestly, this whole Novak-Federer issue has left me a little cold about Federer. Don't get me wrong. I absolutely admire this guy and think he's truly the greatest tennis champion on and off court. But I think he's handled the Novak issue very childishly.

gomeny
09-14-2007, 12:32 AM
I am a huge fan of Federer. But I still think he over-reacted to the whole Djokovic issue. Other Federer fans may like it or not but Djokovic does applaud Federer shots, does seem very friendly at the net (while Federer seems really cold/bitchy) and Novak definitely has a nice personality off the court. I am not yet a fan of Novak's game because I don't really see anything exciting in it but he's 20 and it's possible he may develop into a brilliant player.

But I really don't get why Federer puts down Novak time and again. The statements made by Novak's father are Novak's fathers! Not Novak's. I don't think Novak fakes injury on the court. He does seem to get tired. Hopefully he'll improve with time.

But honestly, this whole Novak-Federer issue has left me a little cold about Federer. Don't get me wrong. I absolutely admire this guy and think he's truly the greatest tennis champion on and off court. But I think he's handled the Novak issue very childishly.

I agree, but I don't see how fed is a greatest champion off the court:confused:

alexbayen
09-14-2007, 12:38 AM
I agree, but I don't see how fed is a greatest champion off the court:confused:

I might have gotten a bit carried away but with Federer's love for media, charity, fashion and tennis, I think he's doing his best to promote the sport outside of the courts (Can't say the same for a lot of past champions for whom tennis-duty meant only playing well on the courts)

mashamaniac
09-14-2007, 12:47 AM
i'm just glad roger called him a joke,cheater,etc...

RagingLamb
09-14-2007, 01:20 AM
first we don't know how misquoted he was. we also don't know how poorly this was translated. actually we know a little bit.

so unless I hear the man say something similar himself, I reserve judgement.

MCL
09-14-2007, 01:41 AM
This exactly IS a reason why Federer is NOT afraid of Nadal. Rafa's been close, true, but for too long without really jeopardizing Roger, and they both know it does mean something after two years.

In a nutshell: Rafa has the stamina, but has no play. Novak has no stamina, but has the play. Which one would you be more afraid of in Roger's place? (Hint: It's much easier to improve your body than your play.)

:help:
The fact that Rafa has been so close to him for so long is exactly why Federer is more concerned about him than Djokovic.

Aerion
09-14-2007, 04:45 AM
I'm not sure what it is I don't like about Nole. Whether it's his style of play, his Roadrunner looks, or that little smirk he wears.
Although I would think it would be fun to wipe that smirk off his face. :cool:

caleb_123
09-14-2007, 05:08 AM
its strange to hear these thing and then he says all that nice stuff about nole during the award ceremony and press conference after the match...

Alex999
09-14-2007, 05:58 AM
bitch bitch, bitch ... I'm getting tired of this shit.

World Beater
09-14-2007, 06:08 AM
roger is certainly more afraid after the usopen final than before :lol:

nole is such a great sportsman. This is true. Federer practically giftwrapped the 1st set but nole was too polite to accept his gifts.

GlennMirnyi
09-14-2007, 06:18 AM
For the same reason everybody except Rafatards (who are afraid of him taking Nadal's #2) doesn't like him: faker, cheater, gamesman.

drf716
09-14-2007, 10:01 AM
[QUOTE=gomeny;6021322]I don't see how fed is a greatest champion off the court:[\QUOTE]

we don't need a test for that.

thesupreme
09-14-2007, 10:43 AM
For the same reason everybody except Rafatards (who are afraid of him taking Nadal's #2) doesn't like him: faker, cheater, gamesman.

very true, its amazing how many people fall for charm when a cheating b*stard is involved and that exactly what Djoko is...

Farenhajt
09-14-2007, 11:15 AM
And as for "Rafa has no play".... you cannot be serious :)

I might've left this hanging or you failed to catch the point, which is: Rafa has no anti-Federer play outside clay, which is very clear, had Novak been around or not. Novak has the anti-Federer play on fastcourts, which is also very clear, no matter how you feel about it.

As for results, we'll repeat this chat this time next year and see where we stand :)

Eden
09-14-2007, 11:21 AM
I might've left this hanging or you failed to catch the point, which is: Rafa has no play outside clay, which is very clear, had Novak been around or not. Novak has the play on fastcourts, which is also very clear, no matter how you feel about it.

Sure, therefore he had won one Masters title this year on hardcourt and be to his second consecutive Wimbledon final. The surface in Wimbledon isn't as fast as in previous years, but still Rafa managed to reach the final two times in a row.

You are right that Novak is a better player on fastcourts, but I think you should give Rafa more credit for his achievements beside clay.

Eden
09-14-2007, 11:35 AM
I am a huge fan of Federer. But I still think he over-reacted to the whole Djokovic issue. Other Federer fans may like it or not but Djokovic does applaud Federer shots, does seem very friendly at the net (while Federer seems really cold/bitchy) and Novak definitely has a nice personality off the court. I am not yet a fan of Novak's game because I don't really see anything exciting in it but he's 20 and it's possible he may develop into a brilliant player.

But I really don't get why Federer puts down Novak time and again. The statements made by Novak's father are Novak's fathers! Not Novak's. I don't think Novak fakes injury on the court. He does seem to get tired. Hopefully he'll improve with time.

But honestly, this whole Novak-Federer issue has left me a little cold about Federer. Don't get me wrong. I absolutely admire this guy and think he's truly the greatest tennis champion on and off court. But I think he's handled the Novak issue very childishly.

Where do you get the impression from that Roger puts Novak down? How many more times does he have to say how much Novak has improved? How is it that Roger put Novak down when he said after the US Open final that the 3 sets loss doesn't reflect the course of the match?

Farenhajt
09-14-2007, 11:38 AM
Sure, therefore he had won one Masters title this year on hardcourt and be to his second consecutive Wimbledon final. The surface in Wimbledon isn't as fast as in previous years, but still Rafa managed to reach the final two times in a row.

You are right that Novak is a better player on fastcourts, but I think you should give Rafa more credit for his achievements beside clay.

Novak won 2 MS's and was a runner-up in another one, PLUS we can only speculate what would be the final lineup at Wimby if Nole's pinky didn't get in the way.

When it comes to playing Federer on fastcourts, I really can't give the edge to Nadal over Djokovic (and it has nothing to do with who I root for, since I'm quite a fan of Nadal's as well). And without some strong kind of "Antifedererine Hard" in his home pharmacy, Nadal will keep standing at the door.

Eden
09-14-2007, 12:11 PM
Novak won 2 MS's and was a runner-up in another one, PLUS we can only speculate what would be the final lineup at Wimby if Nole's pinky didn't get in the way.

Or what would have happen when Baghdatis would have won the QF in Wimbledon against Novak or Stepanek the first round match at the USO ;)


When it comes to playing Federer on fastcourts, I really can't give the edge to Nadal over Djokovic (and it has nothing to do with who I root for, since I'm quite a fan of Nadal's as well). And without some strong kind of "Antifedererine Hard" in his home pharmacy, Nadal will keep standing at the door.

The only hardcourt match between Roger and Rafa last year was in Shanghai. Roger has shown in the encounter that he has the upper hand on fast court, but it was also obvious that he doesn't feel comfortable to play against Rafa.

Judging on current form it is more likely that Roger will have to meet Novak more often the next months, but I wouldn't write Rafa off yet - and that's exactly what Roger did with his comments. You never know what Rafa is up to bring on the court when he is 100% fit. He has shown it earlier this year and also back in the past when he won Madrid for example.

incognito
09-14-2007, 06:26 PM
I think Federer feels a little intimidated by Novak's personality and sense of humour, because no matter how great Federer is on-court as a tennis player off-court he seems to lack both personality and humour and standing beside Djokovic exposes that part of him. That's why he's more at ease with Nadal who barely speaks any English and leaves the show to him so that he can speak about his upset tummy before his n'th GS final, etc...

RagingLamb
09-14-2007, 06:41 PM
Federer does have a shy and subtle sense of humor. It's not in your face like Djoko's.

Anyhow, this whole Novak-Roger thing is kind of silly if you ask me.

R.Federer
09-14-2007, 06:42 PM
I think Federer feels a little intimidated by Novak's personality and sense of humour, because no matter how great Federer is on-court as a tennis player off-court he seems to lack both personality and humour and standing beside Djokovic exposes that part of him. That's why he's more at ease with Nadal who barely speaks any English and leaves the show to him so that he can speak about his upset tummy before his n'th GS final, etc...

Why is he on good terms with Roddick then? Roddick dominates Djokovic in sense of humour and press as well. He has plenty personality as well.

bittertea
09-14-2007, 06:57 PM
Why do people equate brash, extroverted (tasteless) humour with 'personality'?

I'd take Davydenko's dry wit over Djok's failed attempts of funnies any day.

Peoples
09-14-2007, 07:15 PM
Why do people equate brash, extroverted (tasteless) humour with 'personality'?

I'd take Davydenko's dry wit over Djok's failed attempts of funnies any day.
Extroverted humor doesn't have to be tasteless at all but it certainly can be if they sort of try too hard. Some people just naturally come across as funny, e.g. Safin, but some like Djok just try too hard to be funny. It seems just like a desperate attempt at quickly growing a fan base.

Farenhajt
09-14-2007, 07:44 PM
Or what would have happen when Baghdatis would have won the QF in Wimbledon against Novak or Stepanek the first round match at the USO ;)

Those two things DIDN'T happen, though a priori they MIGHT'VE happened. On the other hand, after Novak being FORCED to retire from Wimby SF, one can never tell whose way the match would go if the circumstances were normal. - The point: losses by retirement can't really show actual difference between two players' qualities.

fmolinari2005
09-14-2007, 08:01 PM
Those two things DIDN'T happen, though a priori they MIGHT'VE happened. On the other hand, after Novak being FORCED to retire from Wimby SF, one can never tell whose way the match would go if the circumstances were normal. - The point: losses by retirement can't really show actual difference between two players' qualities.

Yes, it can. It shows that one player is better prepared to go throught the motions of a 2 weeks tournament than the other.

Farenhajt
09-14-2007, 09:56 PM
Yes, it can. It shows that one player is better prepared to go throught the motions of a 2 weeks tournament than the other.

Then in your book Nadal is worse player than Monaco and everyone else who made it to the 3rd round of Cincy? Something's not right with your criteria.

ljubicic_
09-14-2007, 09:59 PM
because nole's fans are the biggest morrons on this planet

*Viva Chile*
09-14-2007, 10:04 PM
because nole's fans are the biggest morrons on this planet

so why you have Nole in your signature then?? :retard:

fmolinari2005
09-14-2007, 10:08 PM
Then in your book Nadal is worse player than Monaco? Something's not right in your criteria.

Did Monaco reached semi-finals at Montreal?! They werent on equal terms: Rafa played more matches compared to Monaco. But, at Wimbledon, Rafa and Djoko played the same amount of matches.

I am not arguing who is better or worse. I am saying that pulling out on a GS semi-final does show something about the players. Nadal was fit enough to play the match. Djoko wasnt. The reasons?! You will say that Djoko got screwed and had to play many back to back matches and all that. But Nadal's life wasnt much easier too. They both played the same number of matches, but Djoko didnt handle the opponents as well as Nadal did, and his physique let him down.

That is what I am saying. That match showed that, back then, Djoko still wasnt ready to deal with the adversities and conditions that a GS offers. A couple of months later, Djoko reached the finals.

I am not arguing who is the best player. I am talking about that particular match, the circumstances and the conclusions one could come back then ...

jasmin
09-14-2007, 10:08 PM
I think how things go behind the scenes probably tell the story.

I don't think Fed has a problem with joking because I know Andre and Roddick does it and he's cool with both of them.

rwn
09-14-2007, 10:09 PM
Federer doesn't like gamesmanship. Very simple. If Djokovic stops this bullshit with injury timeouts Federer will like him more. I'm convinced that Federer isn't the only one who thinks like this.

sawan66278
09-14-2007, 10:16 PM
Roger does not like Darth Cheater because of the gamesmanship utilized by him when he played his friend Stan. Plus, he is KEENLY aware that Darth Cheater has followed the first couple chapters of Agassi's career (before he rejected the Dark Side). You know, the chapters on how one can manipulate the crowd into believing you're a class guy...by throwing your shirt into the stands, applauding your opponent's shots, etc.

The real question should be: why should Roger like Darth Cheater?

jasmin
09-14-2007, 10:18 PM
I forgot about the gamemanship (injury timeouts...then jumping around like a rabbit) theing.

Farenhajt
09-14-2007, 10:24 PM
Did Monaco reached semi-finals at Montreal?! They werent on equal terms: Rafa played more matches compared to Monaco. But, at Wimbledon, Rafa and Djoko played the same amount of matches.

I am not arguing who is better or worse. I am saying that pulling out on a GS semi-final does show something about the players. Nadal was fit enough to play the match. Djoko wasnt. The reasons?! You will say that Djoko got screwed and had to play many back to back matches and all that. But Nadal's life wasnt much easier too. They both played the same number of matches, but Djoko didnt handle the opponents as well as Nadal did, and his physique let him down.

That is what I am saying. That match showed that, back then, Djoko still wasnt ready to deal with the adversities and conditions that a GS offers. A couple of months later, Djoko reached the finals.

I am not arguing who is the best player. I am talking about that particular match, the circumstances and the conclusions one could come back then ...

Then, as I suspected, your criteria are lopsided. When Djoko retires, that proves he's an inferior player. When Nadal retires, that was just unfortunate and "too much play". No can go for lack of objectivity.

And if you're pulling "Nadal's life wasn't easy" argument, why can't I do the same to Djokovic's benefit?

star
09-14-2007, 10:24 PM
Federer doesn't like gamesmanship. Very simple. If Djokovic stops this bullshit with injury timeouts Federer will like him more. I'm convinced that Federer isn't the only one who thinks like this.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Federer acts like any alpha male trying to subtly bully his opponents into doing what he wants them to do. He does this by doling out both criticism and praise alternately. He dispenses his good humor like a king handing out alms to the poor. It is not to enrich the poor but rather to enrich the King's his esteem. Federer is the alpha dog and the underlings are thrilled to get his approval. Remember when he was giving Ivan high praise, and Ivan just wiggled and wagged like a puppy? :lol:

The one who is most likely to dethrone the king is to not give a fig about what he thinks but to pretend that he does. :)

fmolinari2005
09-14-2007, 10:46 PM
Then, as I suspected, your criteria are lopsided. When Djoko retires, that proves he's an inferior player. When Nadal retires, that was just unfortunate and "too much play". No can go for lack of objectivity.

And if you're pulling "Nadal's life wasn't easy" argument, why can't I do the same to Djokovic's benefit?

No, this proves that you cant read anything bad about Djoko without freaking out and distorting other people's posts.

Where did I say that Nadal was unfortunate at that match against Monaco?! My point wasnt "poor Nadal he had to play too much" and "Djoko is an inferior player". What I meant was: you cant compare Nadal x Monaco at Cincy with Nadal x Djoko at SW19. Why?! Because at Wimbledon, they both played the same number of matches previous to their meeting- which didnt happen when Nadal played Monaco (or, if I wanted to make it more clear, when Djoko played Moya at Cincy). Monaco played less matches in a row previous to his meeting with Nadal ... if that match between Monaco and Nadal happened at the USO semi-finals,for example, and Nadal had pulled out during the match, I would say that Monaco, AT THAT TIME, would be the one better equiped to handle a GS semi-final.

Note after edit: you can say, however, that Monaco was better equiped to play at Cincy than Nadal ... but the reasons they didnt came in equal terms was because Nadal had more success at Montreal. While, at Wimbledon, the reason Nole wasnt as equiped as Nadal, was because Djoko struggled more to get throught the earlier rounds.

I am not saying Djoko is inferior to Nadal. I am not applying double standards. Wake up. All I am saying is that when a player pulls out of a match, you can come to some conclusions. And, back at wimbledon, Nole wasnt ready yet. If he were, he would'd at leats completed the match. It is not as if Djoko had pulled out because during the match he twisted his ankle or something like that: that wouldnt mean anything indeed. But Djoko had to pull out because he was suffering the consequences of a long tournament. One thing is to get to the semi-finals, another one is HOW you get to it. And, HOW you get to it (physically, mentally and technically) is very important, and tells you if you are ready or not to reach finals. At the USO, Djoko showed that he could get to the semi-finals, and, this time, in better conditions to reach the finals.

Farenhajt
09-14-2007, 11:05 PM
I really can't see how an inflammated toe blister (which was the reason of Djoko's retirement) can't be compared to a twisted ankle. Both are very real and very debilitating INJURIES.

Djoko didn't pull out because he was too tired, or couldn't breathe, or got fed up with back-to-back matches, etc. He pulled out because he apparently couldn't cope with the pain and hence couldn't move properly. But even in such condition, he managed to take the first set.

So, what I'm saying is: Nadal's getting to Wimby F should be attributed to vis maior to AT LEAST AN EQUAL DEGREE as to his grass abilities. And that vis maior moment is often neglected in wins by retirement.

Marek.
09-14-2007, 11:09 PM
I think Federer feels a little intimidated by Novak's personality and sense of humour, because no matter how great Federer is on-court as a tennis player off-court he seems to lack both personality and humour and standing beside Djokovic exposes that part of him. That's why he's more at ease with Nadal who barely speaks any English and leaves the show to him so that he can speak about his upset tummy before his n'th GS final, etc...

Dear God........

Vlad
09-14-2007, 11:22 PM
Dear God........

Well it's true. Apart from being a great tennis player, federer seems to be pretty shallow and uninteresting. Novak, on the other hand, has it all... great tennis skill, charisma, contact with the audience etc. Like Nescafe 3 in 1! :cool:

Allure
09-14-2007, 11:23 PM
Well it's true. Apart from being a great tennis player, federer seems to be pretty shallow and uninteresting. Novak, on the other hand, has it all... great tennis skill, charisma, contact with the audience etc. Like Nescafe 3 in 1! :cool:

You forgot great acting skills and a huge ego.

Marek.
09-14-2007, 11:28 PM
Well it's true. Apart from being a great tennis player, federer seems to be pretty shallow and uninteresting. Novak, on the other hand, has it all... great tennis skill, charisma, contact with the audience etc. Like Nescafe 3 in 1! :cool:

Not really, it's just your opinion.

Vlad
09-14-2007, 11:32 PM
Not really, it's just your opinion.

And that is just your opinion! :retard:

CyBorg
09-14-2007, 11:38 PM
I don't think Federer is as much intimidated. He belives in etiquette. He's a rich kid. It's a silver spoon thing. He thinks clothes make him look sophisticated.

Serbs like Djokovic wouldn't be allowed on the tennis lawns 80 years ago. He's rougher, unmoussed, emotions on sleeve guy and with a touch of the soccer mentality, which means that, yes, he will test the rules to the extremes to get his way. Tough titties.

Marek.
09-14-2007, 11:38 PM
And that is just your opinion! :retard:

You said that it was true that Fed was shallow and uninteresting. I think you would find that most people don't think that which makes it an opinion. I was merely pointing this out.

Vlad
09-14-2007, 11:42 PM
You said that it was true that Fed was shallow and uninteresting. I think you would find that most people don't think that which makes it an opinion. I was merely pointing this out.

Yeah I know but sometimes I like to start a pointless conversation :devil:

fmolinari2005
09-15-2007, 12:09 AM
I really can't see how an inflammated toe blister (which was the reason of Djoko's retirement) can't be compared to a twisted ankle. Both are very real and very debilitating INJURIES.

Djoko didn't pull out because he was too tired, or couldn't breathe, or got fed up with back-to-back matches, etc. He pulled out because he apparently couldn't cope with the pain and hence couldn't move properly. But even in such condition, he managed to take the first set.

So, what I'm saying is: Nadal's getting to Wimby F should be attributed to vis maior to AT LEAST AN EQUAL DEGREE as to his grass abilities. And that vis maior moment is often neglected in wins by retirement.

I am not saying Djoko wasnt injured, for crying it out loud. However, there is a big chance his injury was related to the effort he put into his previous matches.But, for example, Pete Sampras won his 7th Wimbledon title, playing with blisters on his feet throughout the tournament. Nadal played a final (and won) with blisters on his hand. I agree that blisters are debilitating, but you gotta be kidding me if that was the only reason he pulled out of the match. IMO, it was a combination of physical debilitation (understandable) and blisters that got too much for Djoko to handle.

If, for example, Djoko had won his matches in straight sets, with few hours on the court, and got blisters because he got purely unlucky, that would be one thing. But when you are out there, running and sweating for hours, getting blisters is less to lack of luck and more to "it was bound to happen". That is why I wrote that had it been a twisted ankle, it would mean more "bad luck" than anything else.

Look. Had Djoko breezed throught the draw, odds were that he would'd reached the semi-finals with health to spair. That is what I am talking about: at that time, he still lacked game and physique to go through two weaks, reach the finals, and win it. A couple of months later, he did achieved that. Therefore, what I mean, that everything happens on its on time.

And I dont think that "vis maior" (aka "higher force") is neglected in retirement. A match is a result of two players facing each other with the best they can offer at that time. It doesnt take anything away from Nadal: he was the better man in that tournament, compared to Nole.

But, I am with you: if that match had happened with both guys healthy, the end result might'd been different. But to win a GS semi-final, you first have to win a lot of matches before ... so, how you do it is as important as how will you play the semi-finals.

CyBorg
09-15-2007, 12:29 AM
I am not saying Djoko wasnt injured, for crying it out loud. However, there is a big chance his injury was related to the effort he put into his previous matches.But, for example, Pete Sampras won his 7th Wimbledon title, playing with blisters on his feet throughout the tournament. Nadal played a final (and won) with blisters on his hand. I agree that blisters are debilitating, but you gotta be kidding me if that was the only reason he pulled out of the match. IMO, it was a combination of physical debilitation (understandable) and blisters that got too much for Djoko to handle.

Psssst... Not all blisters are identical.:)

fmolinari2005
09-15-2007, 12:48 AM
Psssst... Not all blisters are identical.:)

I know. I am just playing with the odds.:D

gomeny
09-15-2007, 01:06 AM
I don't think Federer is as much intimidated. He belives in etiquette. He's a rich kid. It's a silver spoon thing. He thinks clothes make him look sophisticated.

Serbs like Djokovic wouldn't be allowed on the tennis lawns 80 years ago. He's rougher, unmoussed, emotions on sleeve guy and with a touch of the soccer mentality, which means that, yes, he will test the rules to the extremes to get his way. Tough titties.

I don't under why people don't get this here mtf. Unlike in tennis, golf there is still honor before the rules.

Marek.
09-15-2007, 01:21 AM
Yeah I know but sometimes I like to start a pointless conversation :devil:

98% of the conversations here are pointless so you won't find that hard to do. :D ;)

ezekiel
09-15-2007, 01:24 AM
You forgot great acting skills and a huge ego.

he has no ego , just a healthy self esteem. He has never bashed any of his true competitors .

Sunset of Age
09-15-2007, 01:50 AM
Well it's true. Apart from being a great tennis player, federer seems to be pretty shallow and uninteresting. Novak, on the other hand, has it all... great tennis skill, charisma, contact with the audience etc. Like Nescafe 3 in 1! :cool:

Yet another poster mistaking 'brashness' for 'personality'... :rolleyes:

World Beater
09-15-2007, 02:01 AM
he has no ego , just a healthy self esteem. He has never bashed any of his true competitors .

Djokovic deserved to be bashed after all those stunts he pulled and federer wasnt the only one or the first to bash him for it either.

Did we forget : "I am in control of the match, the match was in my hands" when he got drubbed at RG and beaten in MC by both nadal and federer.

almost sounds like serena williams.

healthy respect for both federer and nadal. :lol:

sawan66278
09-15-2007, 02:31 AM
I think Federer feels a little intimidated by Novak's personality and sense of humour, because no matter how great Federer is on-court as a tennis player off-court he seems to lack both personality and humour and standing beside Djokovic exposes that part of him. That's why he's more at ease with Nadal who barely speaks any English and leaves the show to him so that he can speak about his upset tummy before his n'th GS final, etc...

This might be the most inane, ridiculous comment posted on these boards in months.

And, who ever said, Darth Cheater was a great actor? That's like saying his father and mother are wonderfully, classy supporters.:rolleyes:

NYCtennisfan
09-15-2007, 02:40 AM
he has no ego , just a healthy self esteem. He has never bashed any of his true competitors .

:haha: Doesn't Djokovic's dad have better things to do?? :confused:

MrChopin
09-15-2007, 04:40 AM
Perhaps the father is telling the truth? It is natural for a father to stand up for his son. Roger, the best player in the world, did not need to make those insulting statements even IF what he said was true. Novak does seem to be a very nice person who gives credit to other players who make great shots against him. Roger was lucky Novak choked away all those set points in the first two sets of the USO final. Perhaps Roger likes Novak better now-lol!!

Yeah, Roger was lucky, because after that first set, it looked like Djokovic would have run away with any chances he had... that is, until he was beaten in straight sets.

I am a huge fan of Federer. But I still think he over-reacted to the whole Djokovic issue. Other Federer fans may like it or not but Djokovic does applaud Federer shots, does seem very friendly at the net (while Federer seems really cold/bitchy) and Novak definitely has a nice personality off the court.

But honestly, this whole Novak-Federer issue has left me a little cold about Federer. Don't get me wrong. I absolutely admire this guy and think he's truly the greatest tennis champion on and off court. But I think he's handled the Novak issue very childishly.

Maybe because Federer speaks frankly about almost anything? He won't shy away from the fact that he's 9-0 against Davydenko, but then he'll explain why the match will be difficult, not with some fluff about "he's playing well, he's #1" but a "we had a hard semifinal last year..."

And claiming Federer to be "really cold/bitchy" is unbelievable. He almost always puts his arm around his opponent after the match, often continuing to congratulate them with a pat on the back and a few words after they've already turned to go to the chair. And it's so great to see the way he and Rafa get along, with more warmth and friendship than you'll see from almost any rivalry: they're handshake in Hamburg was so human, real people showing real respect for each other after having competed so many times, after having come closer over many intensive battles and mutual turmoil.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cj8qStZ0SNk

I think Federer feels a little intimidated by Novak's personality and sense of humour, because no matter how great Federer is on-court as a tennis player off-court he seems to lack both personality and humour and standing beside Djokovic exposes that part of him. That's why he's more at ease with Nadal who barely speaks any English and leaves the show to him so that he can speak about his upset tummy before his n'th GS final, etc...

"Seems" is the key here, because in comparison, Djokovic is a clown. All the publicity stunts he pulls, with his repetitive impersonations. Like McEnroe and Mary said, if you put a camera on him, he will perform. Sadly, people are duped into thinking that this acting, which is exactly what it is, is some " charismatic personality." It's sad because acting for attention is often a stunt of a kid. Instead of doing that, Roger is off in Basel serving pizza to the ball kids.

And in the humor department, which is subjective, I much prefer Federer's dry wit, or at least this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zu69WQqxzxo


Why do people equate brash, extroverted (tasteless) humour with 'personality'?

Exactly. It's fairly shallow to see him as some charismatic bastion of tennis personality, amid an era of cold nothings. He shows off for the camera and gets some laughs by making fun of his fellow competitors. "Ha, what a great kid." :rolleyes:

As for results, we'll repeat this chat this time next year and see where we stand :)

You can keep saying "next year" until they're both long gone. People were hyping the USO final, thinking Djokovic had a chance to take down Federer. The sad truth is, Roddick put up more of a fight. It's like a broken record, but wake me up when Djokovic takes a non-tiebreak set from Federer, only make sure to wait until it's a slam set.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Federer acts like any alpha male trying to subtly bully his opponents into doing what he wants them to do. He does this by doling out both criticism and praise alternately. He dispenses his good humor like a king handing out alms to the poor. It is not to enrich the poor but rather to enrich the King's his esteem. Federer is the alpha dog and the underlings are thrilled to get his approval. Remember when he was giving Ivan high praise, and Ivan just wiggled and wagged like a puppy? :lol:

The one who is most likely to dethrone the king is to not give a fig about what he thinks but to pretend that he does. :)

Federer performing his standard alpha male role to a T: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qe41tVyKjqw

Well it's true. Apart from being a great tennis player, federer seems to be pretty shallow and uninteresting. Novak, on the other hand, has it all... great tennis skill, charisma, contact with the audience etc. Like Nescafe 3 in 1! :cool:

Yeah, Federer is so shallow. He should do some impersonations to show how un-shallow he is. Never mind these completely human emotional meltdowns like AO '06 trophy presentations where he can't stop hugging a guy because he has so much respect for him.

So, what I'm saying is: Nadal's getting to Wimby F should be attributed to vis maior to AT LEAST AN EQUAL DEGREE as to his grass abilities. And that vis maior moment is often neglected in wins by retirement.

:rolleyes:

Forehander
09-15-2007, 04:45 AM
In alot of training camps in australia Russian/Slovakian/Serbian parents are a huge problem too because they are so noisy and proud. They think they can do whatever they want and they speak so much shit about other people it's just totally unacceptable.

Rumour
09-15-2007, 09:15 AM
Novak's father Srdjan Djokovic: "Federer scared!"
Novak Djokovic is indignant at the way Roger Federer accused him! While out tennis player, following great battle in Geneva, congratulated the Swiss on victory with a handful of compliments, world's best player improperly stated that Djokovic had been misusing medical time outs and that his injuries had been "funny".
...
The father of our tennis player pinpoints the reason why the Swiss accused Novak.
- Basically, Federer was afraid! He is well aware of the fact that Novak will soon reach the very top, that he'll be No. 1 on the ATP list and that is the reason behind his scandalous statements.
Whoever stated some time ago in another thread that ezekiel is actually Novak's father totally nailed it :worship: Clearly Srdjan Djokovic has been publicly faking his 'lack' of English knowledge while moonlighting here on MTF as his son's staunchest defender ;)

Allure
09-15-2007, 09:21 AM
Whoever stated some time ago in another thread that ezekiel is actually Novak's father totally nailed it :worship: Clearly Srdjan Djokovic has been publicly faking his 'lack' of English knowledge while moonlighting here on MTF as his son's staunchest defender ;)

Ezekiel is either Novak's father, mother, or Maria Sharapova.

FedFan_2007
09-15-2007, 09:24 AM
Can we stop this Nole bashing? He's a great player and future #1.

groundstroke
09-15-2007, 09:26 AM
Novak is currently the only tennis player in the world who applauds when the opponent wins a beautiful point!
hahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

vincayou
09-15-2007, 09:53 AM
I think Federer feels a little intimidated by Novak's personality and sense of humour, because no matter how great Federer is on-court as a tennis player off-court he seems to lack both personality and humour and standing beside Djokovic exposes that part of him. That's why he's more at ease with Nadal who barely speaks any English and leaves the show to him so that he can speak about his upset tummy before his n'th GS final, etc...

:haha:

Action Jackson
09-15-2007, 10:10 AM
Blisters are now an injury.

I love MTF, there are people who have trained 6 to 7 years in medical school and in hospitals, but if they came out and said blisters were an injury, then they'd be sacked on the spot.

Rumour
09-15-2007, 10:30 AM
Ezekiel is either Novak's father, mother, or Maria Sharapova.
The reason I singled out the dad and those quotes is because practically every post of ezekiel, especially any involving Federer, includes similar sentiments i.e. the No. 1 is afraid and jealous of the Serb because he perceives him as the real threat to his current position and therefore tries to undermine him by questioning the injury timouts, giving him the cold shoulder etc.

I'm newly aboard the Djoko bandwagon myself (along with a few other Fed fans despite recent rhetoric here) so I've been following most related threads and the vehemence with which this MTF member supports Novak is very obvious i.e. so strong one could attribute it not just to a devoted fan but even a family member or relative.

As for those comparing both players' personalities, I think variety is the spice of life and why I like one tennis pro does not dictate or necessarily relate to how I feel about another :shrug: Federer has a more classical style and comes across as intelligent and straightforward in interviews while Djokovic is, well, an amiable joker ;)

Some people argue that the Swiss is not expressive and therefore cool when his own actions and words have often proven otherwise. This is a guy who used to have fits of temper and break racquets on court, plus is admittedly still nervous about playing big matches. Fed doesn't have to spill his guts physically or verbally for me to admire him.

Djoko, OTOH, was apparently pretty quiet and reserved earlier on and it took him a while to start showing his bolder, more humourous side e.g. talking about challenging the top players and going public with his impressions. He likes to have fun off the court but on it he's usually all or mostly business.

Detractors criticize him for 'showing off' while I see it as being confident and not being afraid to look like a fool. Yet, even if the OP's translated report is incorrect, I wouldn't be surprised if deep down Djoko is still sensitive about what the tennis fraternity and Federer in particular thinks of him.

FedFan_2007
09-15-2007, 11:02 AM
Fact is Djoko has powerful groundstrokes and can stay in any rally as long as he's not fatigued.

my0118
09-15-2007, 11:06 AM
Fact is Djoko has powerful groundstrokes and can stay in any rally as long as he's not fatigued.

Doesn't matter whether he's not fatigued or not. There's medical timeout.

Action Jackson
09-15-2007, 11:13 AM
Fact is Djoko has powerful groundstrokes and can stay in any rally as long as he's not fatigued.

Still time to get on his bandwagon.

Farenhajt
09-15-2007, 12:43 PM
But, I am with you: if that match had happened with both guys healthy, the end result might'd been different.

That's the only thing I was trying to get across. Of course, that didn't happen, the match was pulled out from, officially is lost and nothing to be done.

And the main incentive of this whole debate was the initial dilemma "who's have to be given the edge against fastcourt Federer". Nadal has SOME play, and that "some" is often "just enough", against a number of players, but Novak simply has more of it.

fmolinari2005
09-15-2007, 03:33 PM
That's the only thing I was trying to get across. Of course, that didn't happen, the match was pulled out from, officially is lost and nothing to be done.

And the main incentive of this whole debate was the initial dilemma "who's have to be given the edge against fastcourt Federer". Nadal has SOME play, and that "some" is often "just enough", against a number of players, but Novak simply has more of it.


And my point was: on a GS, there is more than having game enough in a match. Since Nadal, Djoko and Fed can only meet on the later stages of a tournament, the issue of "how" they reach the semi-finals/ finals is a big issue. That is why I wrote that you can tell something about a match when one of the players have to pull out. That is the thing: unless they are playing an exhbition match, they will usually have to play lots of matches before they meet. So, how each one deals with the draw (mentally, physically and technically) is a big deal.

Anyway. I already wrote this a thousand times, I am getting tired.

Blisters are now an injury.

I love MTF, there are people who have trained 6 to 7 years in medical school and in hospitals, but if they came out and said blisters were an injury, then they'd be sacked on the spot.

Well. I am one of them. Blisters can be considered an injury, on a broader sense. Because, in this case, it is a result of repetitive trauma to the skin. Of course that it is not a major injury, like a bone fracture, ligament tear, or something like that. But, it is a mild form of injury, since it disrupts sking morphology and physiology. Of course it is a condition that can be treated, and it is possible, in most cases, to play with blisters. That is why I wrote that many players played with blisters, and that it wasnt probably the only cause of Djoko pulling out of the match. I suspect it was more an official reason, than the only one.

Farenhajt
09-15-2007, 05:16 PM
And my point was: on a GS, there is more than having game enough in a match.

Well, yes, it is - winning or losing the lottery called "weather" and having to cope with the organizers not wishing to part with their precious "middle Sunday". (Not going to reinstate what was told times and again here about Wimby schedule this year - the upper half was given a clear advantage over the lower, due to bad organizing decisions. But of course, idiotic management is also "part of the game", isn't it?)

I suspect it was more an official reason, than the only one.

Either you didn't watch the match (as a Fed fan, I expect you might not be giving that much shit for either N. or Dj.) or you're lopsided again. If the latter, please do try to play with a bleeding blister size of the toe, which made you stay awake most of the previous night - then do tell something about "official" and "only" reasons.

fmolinari2005
09-15-2007, 05:56 PM
Well, yes, it is - winning or losing the lottery called "weather" and having to cope with the organizers not wishing to part with their precious "middle Sunday". (Not going to reinstate what was told times and again here about Wimby schedule this year - the upper half was given a clear advantage over the lower, due to bad organizing decisions. But of course, idiotic management is also "part of the game", isn't it?)


Nadal also played a lot of matches in a row, since they were on the same side of the draw. And some long matches too. The conditions werent that different. If Nole was a better grass court player, he would had defeated some opponentes easier, and the "weather lottery" would had played a smaller part on this.


Either you didn't watch the match (as a Fed fan, I expect you might not be giving that much shit for either N. or Dj.) or you're lopsided again. If the latter, please do try to play with a bleeding blister size of the toe, which made you stay awake most of the previous night - then do tell something about "official" and "only" reasons.


There is no point exchanging posts with you, is there?! Because whenever someone says something that might be considered "bad" about Nole, you freak out and starts throwing cheap shots like "you are lopsided, a Fed fan doesnt give a shit about other player's matches". There is no need to be so defensive. I am not criticizing Nole ...I watched bits of the match, not all of it. I like tennis, not only watching Roger. Yes, Djoko was struggling. Still, he won a set ... probably the pain due to blisters got worse with time, Nadal's game went up a notch, tiredeness started catching up with him, and everything got too much. Yes, blisters were one of the main things, but probably not the only thing. Otherwise, he wouldn't had even won a set.

Because, it was not as if that this match went over two hours. If the treatment was good enough to keep him playing ok for one set, it was probably good enough for him to play two sets. That isnt a stretch, or me being lopsided. Painkillers dont stop acting that fast. And there is always the option of calling medical time-out, drying the lesion and putting new bandages (did he do that?!). So, had Djoko won the 2nd set, I doubt he would'd pulled out if blisters were the only thing bothering him. All I am saying is: maybe Djoko couldnt keep it up not only because of blisters, but because his body had been stretched for too long during the previous matches, and Nadal started playing better. And him pulling out was a consequence of all of that. And I am not saying "shame on Djoko" for pulling out btw, or "shame on Djoko for making up excuses". It was obvious that finishing the match would be a tough task for him to accomplish.

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-15-2007, 06:02 PM
Can we stop this Nole bashing? He's a great player and future #1.

Hey flipflopper.

Weren't you one of the idiots who started bashing him earlier.

You now like him because he is a pansy who bowed down to Fed.

Chokovich deserves to get bashed till he refinds his balls and mans up.

Allure
09-15-2007, 06:06 PM
Federer loves Nole. He just pretend there's hostility so that Mirka won't be suspicious. :angel:

fmolinari2005
09-15-2007, 06:10 PM
Hey flipflopper.

Weren't you one of the idiots who started bashing him earlier.

You now like him because he is a pansy who bowed down to Fed.

Chokovich deserves to get bashed till he refinds his balls and mans up.

Oh! The art of tough love. I see someone likes to spanked when behaves like a bad Vader ...

Farenhajt
09-15-2007, 06:13 PM
Fmolinari, forgive me for being "conditioned" on this forum, by a lot who considers Djokovic a cheater, gamesman, weakling etc. Being that "conditioned", especially lately, I'm prone to read any kind of "standing aside" as "standing with the lot, but not being so vocal and/or explicit and/or low".

As for timeouts, I think he took both of them before pulling out. (He definitely took one, and right now I'm not 100% sure about the other, but I think he did.)

Farenhajt
09-15-2007, 06:16 PM
Chokovich deserves to get bashed till he refinds his balls and mans up.

May God NEVER give you sports children. You'd be the WORST combination of Damir Dokic and that swimming father who beat the crap out of his daughter in public.

fmolinari2005
09-15-2007, 06:17 PM
Fmolinari, forgive me for being "conditioned" on this forum, by a lot who considers Djokovic a cheater, gamesman, weakling etc. Being that "conditioned", especially lately, I'm prone to read any kind of "standing aside" as "standing with the lot, but not being so vocal and/or explicit and/or low".

As for timeouts, I think he took both of them before pulling out. (He definitely took one, and right now I'm not 100% sure about the other, but I think he did.)

Dont worry. Sometimes I do the same thing when I read something "bad" about Fed! ;)

I am not a Djoko fan. But I like his game, it is obvious that he matured quite a bit, and, IMO, he will be the one taking Roger's number one spot.

That is why I brought the Wimbledon issue: because in 2 months, he showed that he is getting closer and closer to a GS title.

ezekiel
09-15-2007, 10:23 PM
:haha: Doesn't Djokovic's dad have better things to do?? :confused:

Whoever stated some time ago in another thread that ezekiel is actually Novak's father totally nailed it :worship: Clearly Srdjan Djokovic has been publicly faking his 'lack' of English knowledge while moonlighting here on MTF as his son's staunchest defender ;)

Ezekiel is either Novak's father, mother, or Maria Sharapova.

If all of you jumped on a bandwagon and think I am Srdjan Đoković with some sort of agenda promoting Nole then I am obviously waisting my time here with all of you and I am doing a lousy job at that promotion job obviously :o :devil: :sad:

mangoes
09-16-2007, 01:56 AM
May God NEVER give you sports children. You'd be the WORST combination of Damir Dokic and that swimming father who beat the crap out of his daughter in public.

You djokotards are crazy. Begging God for wishes because you've come to a conclusion about someone via a message board?? :silly: :silly:


If all of you jumped on a bandwagon and think I am Srdjan Đoković with some sort of agenda promoting Nole then I am obviously waisting my time here with all of you and I am doing a lousy job at that promotion job obviously :o :devil: :sad:

No one called Djokovic's dad the smartest cookie in the jar;) :p :lol: :lol:

Farenhajt
09-16-2007, 01:59 AM
...because you've come to a conclusion about someone via a message board??

Pray tell, what have you done just now?

Now take your milk and get back to bed, sweetheart. And dream Mighty Fed's mighty member - oh so yummmmmmy - instead of that frigging lousy pacifier...

mangoes
09-16-2007, 02:10 AM
Pray tell, what have you done just now?

Now take your milk and get back to bed, sweetheart. And dream Mighty Fed's mighty member - oh so yummmmmmy - instead of that frigging lousy pacifier...

:scratch: :scratch: What?? That makes absolutely no sense. :haha: Yep, you're crazy:o :o

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-16-2007, 03:40 AM
May God NEVER give you sports children. You'd be the WORST combination of Damir Dokic and that swimming father who beat the crap out of his daughter in public.

Tough love works.

Do or do not. There is no try.
Win or win not.

tangerine_dream
09-16-2007, 04:34 AM
Tough love works.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Win or win not.
Thanks, Yoda.

my0118
09-16-2007, 06:19 AM
We need a sitcom "Everybody hates or loves Djokovic"

Allure
09-16-2007, 06:49 AM
We need a sitcom "Everybody hates or loves Djokovic"

;)

Alex999
09-16-2007, 07:16 AM
One day you will ask yourself "Why Djokovic doesn't like Fed".

Forehander
09-16-2007, 07:26 AM
Now that people know the secret between ezekiel and Novak. THere's nothing more to hide ... I am actually Djokovic's brother, and I gotta say... He's a total prick~!

Allure
09-16-2007, 07:28 AM
In two years it will be ''Why all players don't like Nole...''

Action Jackson
09-16-2007, 09:40 AM
Well. I am one of them. Blisters can be considered an injury, on a broader sense. Because, in this case, it is a result of repetitive trauma to the skin. Of course that it is not a major injury, like a bone fracture, ligament tear, or something like that. But, it is a mild form of injury, since it disrupts sking morphology and physiology. Of course it is a condition that can be treated, and it is possible, in most cases, to play with blisters. That is why I wrote that many players played with blisters, and that it wasnt probably the only cause of Djoko pulling out of the match. I suspect it was more an official reason, than the only one.

Cramp is not an injury and neither are blisters and no amount of spin will convince otherwise, like I said go to a doctor and ask them if they are injuries and you will see what will happen. Friction and skin irritation might as well be injuries as well, if you are going to take it to that degree. It's a loss of conditioning and not injury, very clear differences.

Both cramp and blisters are easily preventable. The proper injuries aren't and it's an insult to include blisters as an injury in any form compared to fractures, ligament damage, shoulder rotator cuff and bone breaks.

Jade Fox
09-16-2007, 11:28 AM
Now that people know the secret between ezekiel and Novak. THere's nothing more to hide ... I am actually Djokovic's brother, and I gotta say... He's a total prick~!

Since we're all confessing, I must admit: I'm Nole's distant black cousin from Jamaica. I get paid to promote my cousin yes, but frankly I don't think it's enough. I'm gonna demand a raise the next time I see him.:mad: :p

fmolinari2005
09-16-2007, 01:36 PM
Cramp is not an injury and neither are blisters and no amount of spin will convince otherwise, like I said go to a doctor and ask them if they are injuries and you will see what will happen. Friction and skin irritation might as well be injuries as well, if you are going to take it to that degree. It's a loss of conditioning and not injury, very clear differences.

Both cramp and blisters are easily preventable. The proper injuries aren't and it's an insult to include blisters as an injury in any form compared to fractures, ligament damage, shoulder rotator cuff and bone breaks.


I am a doctor (specialty: pathology). I know, I am just spinning this too much: I agree with you, it is almost insulting putting a ligament damage next to blisters. I am just being too technical: if you consider injury a physical damage caused either by the own person, or by external sources (like solar energy, chemical agents, trauma, etc), a blister can be considered an injury, since there is a cause (repetitive trauma to a moister skin) and a consequence (disruption of the normal morphology and physiology of the skin). And, on Djoko's case, a work-related injury.

Something being preventable doesnt mean it is not an injury. And "preventable" doesnt mean: "if you do that, you wont suffer from this condition"- it means: if you do those things, the odds of you being struck by that problem diminishes. Even a shoulder rotator cuff injury is, to some degree, preventable. So is tennis-elbow. And, many times, a ligament tear might be the end result of overuse of a ligament (specially if that ligament is suffering from inflammation): so, even ligament tears might be a consequence of bad training regimen (much like cramps). And blisters are preventable to some extent too. But, some guys, for example, that sweat too much on the feet/hand, will develop blisters depending on how much strain they submit their bodies to (that was my point with the wimbledon final).

Anyway. I am with you: comparing blisters with ligament damage is borderline ridiculous. You can prevent/ treat blisters much more effectively than prevent/ treat ligament damage. But, technically speaking, both are injuries.

Action Jackson
09-16-2007, 01:48 PM
Anyway. I am with you: comparing blisters with ligament damage is borderline ridiculous. You can prevent/ treat blisters much more effectively than prevent/ treat ligament damage. But, technically speaking, both are injuries.

Ok, I am going to go to my doctor tomorrow and ask him about the classification with blisters and cramps.

I have given reasons as to why blisters aren't an injury and we aren't going to agree on that at all. I might as well say psoriasis is an injury, if we are going to take it to these levels.

Yes, I know what preventable means, it's a lot easier not to suffer from blisters than say a cruciate ligament injury. Just like cramps, take in plenty of water, electrolytes, manage your breathing and salt as well, that goes a long way to stopping cramps and there are the specific measures for blisters as well.

Fedex
09-16-2007, 07:57 PM
If all of you jumped on a bandwagon and think I am Srdjan Đoković with some sort of agenda promoting Nole then I am obviously waisting my time here with all of you and I am doing a lousy job at that promotion job obviously :o :devil: :sad:

I dont believe you to be one of those people. You are just another fanboy, that's all.