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Could Somebody Explain To Me Where....

Chloe le Bopper
05-27-2004, 10:22 PM
... all the threads chastising Mantilla and Safin for calling injury timeouts at critical points in the match are? :)

TennisLurker
05-28-2004, 12:24 AM
I answered you in wx ze french open becca

Chloe le Bopper
05-28-2004, 12:47 AM
Thanks... this wasn't just for you, though ;)

drf716
05-28-2004, 02:15 AM
yeah, mantilla called for a medical time-outs in the fourth sets, prolonging marat's agony of not being able to hold serve. boy, had he some chances... i think his break point opportunities were like over 50...well, that's marat, he wants to kill his fans of heart attack lol

WyveN
05-28-2004, 02:33 AM
I don't think either player was severely injured and took advantage of the rules yet again.
Personally I am against the players having a massage for "cramps" when they are not fit enough to go the distance.

These timeouts were between games though werent they? (i.e not on break points)

That and anything done to contribute to a case of the Gaudio chokes is EEEEEEVVVVVIIIIILLLLL

TennisLurker
05-28-2004, 02:44 AM
first mantilla had the injury time out, and after that marat did the same, I was told.

Chloe le Bopper
05-28-2004, 09:32 AM
I don't think either player was severely injured and took advantage of the rules yet again.

I didn't catch the match, myself, so I don't have any comment as to whether or not they were seriously injured. I would have to think that they weren't, based on everything I have read from people who did see the match... I'd like to come to my own conclusions based on having seen it, but ESPN wouldn't allow for such a match to be shown ;)

Personally I am against the players having a massage for "cramps" when they are not fit enough to go the distance.

Well, I accept it because it's allowed. But if they all of a sudden altered the rules, and they weren't ridiculous, I don't think that I'd lose too much sleep over the matter.

These timeouts were between games though werent they? (i.e not on break points)

I believe so, yes. So not quite as sketchy as the Robredo timeout, but notable none the less.

That and anything done to contribute to a case of the Gaudio chokes is EEEEEEVVVVVIIIIILLLLL

Hee. That's a lot of variables to be calling evil :devil:

rassklovn
05-28-2004, 09:39 AM
The man known as Jeff Tarango came out with a classic comment about Paul Goldstein at Wimbledon and it holds true "Girls get cramps", these so-called fit athletes should be intelligent enough to make sure that they avoid cramps and they shouldn't be getting timeouts, they didn't before and they shouldn't now.

WyveN
05-28-2004, 09:42 AM
wasn't there a rule before that you can't get treatment for cramps?

rassklovn
05-28-2004, 09:44 AM
wasn't there a rule before that you can't get treatment for cramps?

Yes, there was and Fred Stolle likes to harp on about it and I agree with him.

What happened was Shuzo Matsuoka at the US Open collapsed with cramp and couldn't get treated and had to default the match, and the gutless pricks decided to change the rules, and now you have this joke of a rule that is getting abused everywhere.

Space Cowgirl
05-28-2004, 12:33 PM
Mantilla was injured, though. He was barely able to serve properly for most of the 5th set and was not able to run to drop shots either. So I don't think his was a tactical time-out. Safin's could have been, though. Maybe he was hoping that the delay would mean stopping play for the day would come sooner.

Lady
05-28-2004, 03:05 PM
Mantilla took an injury time-out at 15-30 on Marat's serve ;)

Chloe le Bopper
05-29-2004, 09:25 PM
Okay, so let's hear the rationalizations for Marat's timeout during the Potitio match :)

Because it's obviously okay for Marat to do it, but not Coria and Robredo. Let's hear why!

Lady
05-29-2004, 09:44 PM
Safin booed after victory


Starace was cheered off despite losing
Marat Safin earned a second epic win in two rounds but was booed off court after coming from match-point down to beat Italian qualifier Potito Starace.
Starace was serving for the match at 5-4 and deuce in the fourth set, having already missed two match-points, when Safin called for the trainer.

The French crowd jeered and whistled as Safin got treatment for blisters.

When play resumed Safin hit a sublime lob to break back, and went on to win 6-7 (4-7) 6-4 3-6 7-5 7-5.

Starace managed to save five match-points himself in the deciding set, but was unable to regain the initiative.

At the end of four hours and 25 minutes Safin was booed off court while Starace was cheered by the remaining spectators in the gloom of Court Philippe Chatrier.

In the previous round Safin overcame Felix Mantilla in another epic that ended 11-9 in the fifth set.

Chloe le Bopper
05-29-2004, 09:51 PM
THanks for the article.

For what it's worth, I feel the same way about Safin's antics as I do about Coria and Robredo's. That is to say, I don't like it, but I accept that it happens and at the moment the rules allow for it to happen. So, I don't get too fussed up about it.

I just made this thread to point out the glaring inconsistencies in this forum :p Robredo does it.... 5 page thread. Safin does it.... ?

Lady
05-29-2004, 09:59 PM
Oh, I understand Rebecca! Isn't it the same with Justine on WTA?
If anyone does it, it's Ok, if Justine does it, it's tactics. ;)

Not fair, but that's the main atmosphere on these boars, hypocrycy (sp? :o) is just loughable.

For me it's always been that if your opponent falls for your time-out, it's his fault. As long as rules allowed it.

Chloe le Bopper
05-29-2004, 10:05 PM
For me it's always been that if your opponent falls for your time-out, it's his fault. As long as rules allowed it.

That's generally been my attitude too. There have been times that one of my favourites, Coria, has done something that I found pretty iffy... he's not always exactly the epitome of class :D;) But it's up to the other guy to keep it together. However, I can see why some think the rule should be changed.

Chloe le Bopper
05-29-2004, 10:06 PM
As for Justine, we all know that she is just an evil cheater. When she tries to question a linecall, she is trying to work the umpire. When Kim does it, it's okay because sweet Kim is always right and obviously had pure motives where Justine's were malicious.

Lady
05-29-2004, 10:18 PM
Oh, yes, I'm a fan, but Marat's time out for blisters on deuce looks questionable ;) Why not to admit it??
On the other hand, why to lose a match if you can get treatment, just because some later will call you unsportsmanlike ;)

Sjengster
05-29-2004, 10:49 PM
Getting a retirement followed by two wins from matchpoint down when both his opponents served for the match, I was about to say Safin was the luckiest player left in the draw. Now, having heard about his timeouts, I think it's more than just luck that's got him through to the second week. Vamos Big Dave! (Not a sentence you will hear me saying very often, but he's never played Kuerten and I want to see how that match-up works out on clay.)

tangerine_dream
05-29-2004, 11:27 PM
Marat also made a point not to shake the chair ump's hand after his match with Mantilla. http://wcreplays.com/forums/images/smilies/nono.gif

Action Jackson
05-30-2004, 06:55 AM
Okay, so let's hear the rationalizations for Marat's timeout during the Potitio match :)

Because it's obviously okay for Marat to do it, but not Coria and Robredo. Let's hear why!

Well it's not OK, Safin did it. Then again my feelings on this issue are very very clear I don't think blisters should be treated and if so, it doesn't need a 3 min injury timeout and neither does cramps, and if a player wants to take an injury timeout not on a change of ends, then go ahead and do it, and lose the particular game.

Marat is getting into the Coria and Alberto Martin class with these timeouts and trying to influence the linesmen and no that is not tactics.

Chloe le Bopper
05-30-2004, 07:42 AM
GWH - you aren't a Marat apologist, so I know that you dont' think it's okay for him to do it... there are others around here that I'm not so sure about ;)

Chloe le Bopper
05-30-2004, 07:47 AM
Marat also made a point not to shake the chair ump's hand after his match with Mantilla. http://wcreplays.com/forums/images/smilies/nono.gif

Oh, but it's okay when Marat does it! :p