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Do you miss when Roddick was #2?

Allure
09-12-2007, 10:27 PM
I'm not a Roddick fan but I can't help but reminisce when he was #2 behind Federer and they used to meet in finals. Now Nadal has been #2 for over two years and it doesn't look like Andy will get the spot back again (unless he can defeat Djoke/Nadal frequently). So my question is do you guys miss the times when it was Federer then Roddick right behind him or are you enjoying the Fedal rivalry?

RagingLamb
09-12-2007, 10:29 PM
Nadal is clearly a better player though.

I miss when Roddick was a promising up and comer, but those days are long gone.

Allure
09-12-2007, 10:31 PM
Nadal is clearly a better player though.

I miss when Roddick was a promising up and comer, but those days are long gone.

Nadal is a better player but on hardcourts Andy can still beat him if he played like he did at the US Open against Federer. I don't think he can beat Novak though (who is great on hardcourts and pretty good on other surfaces).

nisha
09-12-2007, 10:43 PM
no!!

natasha_nana
09-12-2007, 10:43 PM
No - and Roddick was never really right behind Fed IMO.

scarecrows
09-12-2007, 10:44 PM
no, he sucks

caleb_123
09-12-2007, 10:47 PM
roddick last encounter with nadal on H/courts ended pretty badly, not sooo sure if roddick could beat nadal on that surface anymore, but on grass i think roddick would have the advantage because of his serve.
And no i don't miss roddick being number two he dosen't deserve it if he can't hold on to it.

Blondie1985
09-12-2007, 10:48 PM
yes. Roddick is a better player

Andi-M
09-12-2007, 10:49 PM
No

Roddick and Federer didnt have a rivalry.
Federer and Roddick had a pimp - bitch relationship.

Alex999
09-12-2007, 11:10 PM
No

Roddick and Federer didnt have a rivalry.
Federer and Roddick had a pimp - bitch relationship.

lol

No, Roddick's game is too one dimensional.

R.Federer
09-12-2007, 11:18 PM
It was a very brief period of time I think when he was #2 and Federer was #1, mainly parts of 2004 I guess.

In that time they only met in a handful of occasions, the Wimbledon final comes to mind and I can't remember what else, oh the hard court TMS before the USO. I didn't think Nadal would make such a big run for it and then do enough to stay #2 thereafter.

TMJordan
09-12-2007, 11:19 PM
No

Psichogauchovna
09-12-2007, 11:21 PM
nope :p

guga2120
09-12-2007, 11:22 PM
no, he sucks exactly, you want the #2 to have an actual chance of beating Roger.

Sunset of Age
09-12-2007, 11:33 PM
No, for the simple reason that there has never been a true rivalry between Roger and Andy - Andy was, is, and will always remain, Roger's pigeon!

natasha_nana
09-12-2007, 11:35 PM
exactly, you want the #2 to have an actual chance of beating Roger.

exactly

l_mac
09-12-2007, 11:36 PM
When Andy was #2, Andre was still playing so I miss it for that reason.

mangoes
09-13-2007, 12:15 AM
One of the best periods, of late, for me in tennis was the period of the "Fab Four". I just enjoyed tennis during that time period. One would have a hard time accusing that group of gamesmanship, arrogance, etc. The worse thing to chat about was Hewitt and his 'COME ONs'.....child's play considering the stunts pulled by this new generation. Not to mention, it didn't matter the stunts pulled by Coria, you just had to love the guy:lol: :lol: It was a bonus for me that Agassi made a strong comeback at that time.

The Federer/Nadal rivalry has been by far more interesting and entertaining than Federer/Roddick........at least on MTF:lol: :lol: However, in terms of match quality, I feel, when comparing the two rivalries, that I've seen an equal number of matches that I can call quality matches. Federer and Nadal have had some good matches (best one for me was TMC 06); however, they've had some crappy matches. Best match for me between Andy and Roger was Wimbledon 2004.


Nadal is a better player but on hardcourts Andy can still beat him if he played like he did at the US Open against Federer. I don't think he can beat Novak though (who is great on hardcourts and pretty good on other surfaces).

IW 2007............No need to say more..

leng jai
09-13-2007, 12:22 AM
Most definitely. Roddick getting cained in GS finals time and time again was quite hilarious.

Allure
09-13-2007, 12:23 AM
One of the best periods, of late, for me in tennis was the period of the "Fab Four". I just enjoyed tennis during that time period. One would have a hard time accusing that group of gamesmanship, arrogance, etc. The worse thing to chat about was Hewitt and his 'COME ONs'.....child's play considering the stunts pulled by this new generation. Not to mention, it didn't matter the stunts pulled by Coria, you just had to love the guy:lol: :lol: It was a bonus for me that Agassi made a strong comeback at that time.

The Federer/Nadal rivalry has been by far more interesting and entertaining than Federer/Roddick........at least on MTF:lol: :lol: However, in terms of match quality, I feel, when comparing the two rivalries, that I've seen an equal number of matches that I can call quality matches. Federer and Nadal have had some good matches (best one for me was TMC 06); however, they've had some crappy matches. Best match for me between Andy and Roger was Wimbledon 2004.




IW 2007............No need to say more..

Roddick was crappy then. :p

ReturnWinner
09-13-2007, 12:29 AM
no no way, I miss Roddick when he was outside the top 100

mangoes
09-13-2007, 12:35 AM
Roddick was crappy then. :p

I expected Andy to win that match......but Rafa slaughtered Andy:o :o So much so, I'd never bet a dollar of my very fake v-cash on Andy defeating Nadal on HC.

NinaNina19
09-13-2007, 03:29 AM
roddick last encounter with nadal on H/courts ended pretty badly, not sooo sure if roddick could beat nadal on that surface anymore, but on grass i think roddick would have the advantage because of his serve.
And no i don't miss roddick being number two he dosen't deserve it if he can't hold on to it.
Yeah but Roddick was playing badly that time. Lots of errors, his serve was off. And it wasn't that bad. also Rafa went on to win the tournament.

R.Federer
09-13-2007, 03:36 AM
Yes.... you people who beat up on him all the time do miss his being #2. I think I remember reading all kinds of mean things about him, I will try to search up some thread, other than the Duck hunt.
I still have not figured out why is singled out. There are other American players also successful who have not had it that bad. And he is not even super successful among the Top 5 now to be hated upon! :shrug:

Federerhingis
09-13-2007, 03:41 AM
no, he sucks

:o :lol: That's mean, however his overall game is far from remarkable and he's definitely no legend of the game. ;)

tennis_fan_2006
09-13-2007, 04:48 AM
No, i dont miss his one dimensional game. Let's not get carried away here, Roddick's performance against Federer's at this year's US open happens once every year.

Aerion
09-13-2007, 04:55 AM
Yes I miss Roddick being #2. Because each time he played in a tournament, I thought he's was striving to become #1. So it made it all the more interesting to watch.:p

~*BGT*~
09-13-2007, 05:11 AM
Yeah but Roddick was playing badly that time. Lots of errors, his serve was off. And it wasn't that bad. also Rafa went on to win the tournament.


Take into consideration that Rafa served at 84% first serves compared to 58% for Andy. No matter who you are, it's almost impossible to break someone's serve when the percentage is that high.

Viken01
09-13-2007, 05:48 AM
no but I miss when nalbandian was #3

Polikarpov
09-13-2007, 05:57 AM
No. Nadal-Fed rivalry is more exciting.

CyBorg
09-13-2007, 06:01 AM
Nadal is a great villain to Federer fans as he has a history of beating Roger. Roddick never made for a great story - he played some competitive matches with Roger but never (okay, once) beat him.

This can't be interesting.

Pea
09-13-2007, 02:09 PM
Well, there's a better chance of Rogi giving rodduck a beatdown in earlier rounds now so, no.

LeChuck
09-13-2007, 02:16 PM
No. I was fed up of watching all those Federer-Roddick finals, as you knew exactly what was going to happen.

Action Jackson
09-13-2007, 02:27 PM
No, Nadal actually beats Federer consistently.

Mateya
09-13-2007, 02:58 PM
Yes, I cry days and nights.

:rolleyes:

Burrow
09-13-2007, 05:19 PM
I don't really care.

Fumus
09-13-2007, 08:11 PM
Yes, I cry days and nights.

:rolleyes:

Catherine Bell...:drool:

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-16-2007, 03:48 AM
No, Nadal actually beats Federer consistently.

No one who loves competition would want Roddick to continue to get his ass owned by Fed in GS finals.

Havok
09-16-2007, 03:59 AM
I wouldn't care what Andy's rank would be currently, as long as he's playing as well as he used to when he was #2 and trying to get his #1 status back. He showed signs at this year's USO as wel as at the AO before his semis match; if you can even call it that :o.

Fed and Rafa only have a rivalry because of the clay courts. Yes I know that Nadal has beaten him on hard and pushed him during this year's WImbledon finals, but that's largely because he can draw so much confidence from every single one of his clay court wins vs Federer (I believe he only lost one to Fed on clay). Imagine if Roddick had that one surface where he would consistently beat Federer on, that would give him enough confidence to push/beat Federer on other surfaces as well. Plus it doesn't hurt that Nadal's left handed and plays with such ridiculous topspin which, in turn, bothers Roger's one handed backhand.

I'd just wish things went back to how it was, say, in 2003 where you had a group of 4-6 people who were always in the thick of things and you had a whole bunch of rivalries to choose from and you had multiple TMS/GS winners :o.

tangerine_dream
09-16-2007, 04:31 AM
Allure, obsessed much with Roddick? You talk about him more than your own favorite.

Federer and Roddick had a pimp - bitch relationship.
Maybe that's why they're the No. 1 slash fiction couple. :devil:

NinaNina19
09-16-2007, 04:40 AM
One of the best periods, of late, for me in tennis was the period of the "Fab Four". I just enjoyed tennis during that time period. One would have a hard time accusing that group of gamesmanship, arrogance, etc. The worse thing to chat about was Hewitt and his 'COME ONs'.....child's play considering the stunts pulled by this new generation. Not to mention, it didn't matter the stunts pulled by Coria, you just had to love the guy:lol: :lol: It was a bonus for me that Agassi made a strong comeback at that time.

The Federer/Nadal rivalry has been by far more interesting and entertaining than Federer/Roddick........at least on MTF:lol: :lol: However, in terms of match quality, I feel, when comparing the two rivalries, that I've seen an equal number of matches that I can call quality matches. Federer and Nadal have had some good matches (best one for me was TMC 06); however, they've had some crappy matches. Best match for me between Andy and Roger was Wimbledon 2004.




IW 2007............No need to say more..I agree.

Allure
09-16-2007, 04:55 AM
Allure, obsessed much with Roddick? You talk about him more than your own favorite.


Maybe that's why they're the No. 1 slash fiction couple. :devil:

How am I obsessed with him? I only made one thread about him. Other threads about him I reply doesn't mean I'm obsessed.

jole
09-16-2007, 05:24 AM
no but I miss when nalbandian was #3

I miss Gigan. DO U?

World Beater
09-16-2007, 05:30 AM
I wouldn't care what Andy's rank would be currently, as long as he's playing as well as he used to when he was #2 and trying to get his #1 status back. He showed signs at this year's USO as wel as at the AO before his semis match; if you can even call it that :o.

Fed and Rafa only have a rivalry because of the clay courts. Yes I know that Nadal has beaten him on hard and pushed him during this year's WImbledon finals, but that's largely because he can draw so much confidence from every single one of his clay court wins vs Federer (I believe he only lost one to Fed on clay). Imagine if Roddick had that one surface where he would consistently beat Federer on, that would give him enough confidence to push/beat Federer on other surfaces as well. Plus it doesn't hurt that Nadal's left handed and plays with such ridiculous topspin which, in turn, bothers Roger's one handed backhand.

I'd just wish things went back to how it was, say, in 2003 where you had a group of 4-6 people who were always in the thick of things and you had a whole bunch of rivalries to choose from and you had multiple TMS/GS winners :o.

yep i agree with this post. The quoted part will become quite relevant in the next year or two. We already have 3 players who are firmly at the top and can all beat each other. We just need a little more patience for the 4th guy to come along, and there will be a 4th guy - most probably murray. Hewitt and roddick have shown flashes of their best and will always be challengers to the big 3. I hope nalbandian can get back into the top 8 and makes things even more interesting.

then we will have the dangerous floaters - gasquet and berdych

Dusk Soldier
09-16-2007, 07:01 AM
Roddick plays Federer about the same amount of times a year, as he did when he was number 2. So not much has really changed in terms of that.

I think they play each other more often than Nadal and Federer play eachother in fact. The Nadal/Fed Rivalry only seems to exist between June and August. (With the occasional March preview if Nadal is feeling up to it.) Atleast w/ Roddick/Federer the matches are more spaced out.

Do I miss when he was number 2? not really.

dragons112
09-16-2007, 08:48 AM
Nadal and Novak are overratted. Roddick is better without the clay nadal is history

MissFairy
09-17-2007, 08:15 PM
I'd just wish things went back to how it was, say, in 2003 where you had a group of 4-6 people who were always in the thick of things and you had a whole bunch of rivalries to choose from and you had multiple TMS/GS winners :o.
Agreed. That's what really what was missing in the last couple years on the tour. The grace and intricacy of Federers tennis was lost on non-fans because there was a decided lack of competition from others (minus Nadal, and even that came mostly during the clay season). Now with Djokovic offering another outcome (which can come outside of the clay season), tennis can begin to get exciting for people who aren't fans of the top players again. The element of several players being able to challenge for titles will help the sport no end.

This really has nothing to do with Roddick being number 2 though :p I don't think he'll scale the heights of the top 3 again. I can't see it happening at the moment. Although if he plays his best tennis, he can't be discounted (okay, clay, you can discount him all you want) from most things.

Well, there's a better chance of Rogi giving rodduck a beatdown in earlier rounds now so, no.
I love how i can always count on you to pop up in any thread about Andy. :kiss: Most reliable hater. Ever. :kiss: :kiss:

Jimnik
09-17-2007, 08:41 PM
No, I miss when Roddick was #1.

tangerine_dream
09-17-2007, 08:46 PM
I love how i can always count on you to pop up in any thread about Andy. :kiss: Most reliable hater. Ever. :kiss: :kiss:
More like Andy's biggest fanboy EVA. :inlove:

No, I miss when Roddick was #1.
:lol:

trixtah
09-17-2007, 08:49 PM
Nadal and Novak are overratted. Roddick is better without the clay nadal is history

By your logic I can say that without hardcourts, Andy is history. I don't miss the times because there are now three deserving top 3 players who can all defeat each other. With Andy as number 2 he was getting his ass handed to him by Roger. You have to earn your position.

Jimnik
09-17-2007, 08:51 PM
By your logic I can say that without hardcourts, Andy is history. I don't miss the times because there are now three deserving top 3 players who can all defeat each other. With Andy as number 2 he was getting his ass handed to him by Roger. You have to earn your position.
No, he can cope very well on grass, carpet and rebound ace courts. :p

MissFairy
09-17-2007, 08:54 PM
By your logic I can say that without hardcourts, Andy is history. I don't miss the times because there are now three deserving top 3 players who can all defeat each other. With Andy as number 2 he was getting his ass handed to him by Roger. You have to earn your position.
I agree that Federer/Nadal/Djokovic make a fine top 3. The competition is shaping up to be pretty exciting for the next couple of years. However, i think you're missing the point of the thread. It's not that Andy deserves to be number 2 now, but if one missed it. And by all means, Roddick did earn his position as world number 2 back then. It's a matter of simple maths, no?

trixtah
09-17-2007, 08:58 PM
No, he can cope very well on grass, carpet and rebound ace courts. :p

...and Rafa on carpet and hard...

I don't think you understand the post...

(and rebound ace is just a variation of a hardcourt)

R.Federer
09-17-2007, 08:58 PM
I miss Gigan. DO U?
Hey I remember that poster. He was like a relative of Agassi's or his PR guy or something! :)

Jimnik
09-17-2007, 09:02 PM
...and Rafa on carpet and hard...

I don't think you understand the post...
I understood perfectly but maybe you phrased it wrong. Andy is just as strong on grass and carpet as he is on hard courts whereas Rafa is much stronger on clay than any other surface.

(and rebound ace is just a variation of a hardcourt)
Not really. It's a completely different material.

TheBoiledEgg
09-17-2007, 09:07 PM
Ducky making slam finals was/is a joke.

trixtah
09-17-2007, 09:09 PM
I understood perfectly but maybe you phrased it wrong. Andy is just as strong on grass and carpet as he is on hard courts whereas Rafa is much stronger on clay than any other surface.


Not really. It's a completely different material.

Um, it's a variation of hardcourt. Trust me. Rubber and acrylic doesn't make the US Open any less of a hardcourt either

The ITF classifies Rebound Ace as a type two category (medium/medium fast) hardcourt.

stop trying to sound smart.

R.Federer
09-17-2007, 09:12 PM
Rebound Ace, has become the most favoured hardcourt system with tennis players around the world, and since 1988 has been the surface of choice at every Australian Open, and seven of the lead-up tournaments. Rebound Ace was also the court surface chosen for the Sydney 2000 Olympics.


http://www.reboundace.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=330

l_mac
09-17-2007, 09:14 PM
I understood perfectly but maybe you phrased it wrong. Andy is just as strong on grass and carpet as he is on hard courts whereas Rafa is much stronger on clay than any other surface.



What big titles does Roddick have on carpet and grass? :)

MissFairy
09-17-2007, 09:27 PM
Ducky making slam finals was/is a joke.
That statement is redundant. Making a slam final once may be counted as a fluke, but four times? He made it through the draw just like any other player. I don't see the joke. :confused:

Jimnik
09-17-2007, 09:29 PM
Um, it's a variation of hardcourt. Trust me. Rubber and acrylic doesn't make the US Open any less of a hardcourt either
Regardless of how it's classified by the organisations, the deco turf is different to the rebound ace. Anyway what are you saying? If you removed every type of hardcourt Andy would be history? Again wrong, unless every tournament was played on European red clay with heavy European tennis balls. That's a very specific surface.

stop trying to sound smart.
If I'm not worthy of arguing with an intellect like you then why do you even bother to reply?

What big titles does Roddick have on carpet and grass? :)
How many major titles exist on carpet and grass? Look at the win-loss ratios.

l_mac
09-17-2007, 09:34 PM
How many major titles exist on carpet and grass? Look at the win-loss ratios.


So, zero would be the answer to my question then? :) It's simply not true to say that Roddick is as strong indoors/on carpet/on grass as he is on an outdoor hardcourt, especially really fast ones.

I'm not that keen on Roddick's game, but I like him as a personality - just in case anyone mistakes me for a hater.

Jimnik
09-17-2007, 09:38 PM
So, zero would be the answer to my question then? :) It's simply not true to say that Roddick is as strong indoors/on carpet/on grass as he is on an outdoor hardcourt, especially really fast ones.
Oh he's definitely stronger outdoors than indoors but it's not because of the carpet. Actually he's had better results on indoor carpet than indoor hard.

Btw, Henman never won a title on grass so would you call him a better hard court player? Roddick is definitely as good if not better on grass.

l_mac
09-17-2007, 09:48 PM
Oh he's definitely stronger outdoors than indoors but it's not because of the carpet. Actually he's had better results on indoor carpet than indoor hard.

Btw, Henman never won a title on grass so would you call him a better hard court player? Roddick is definitely as good if not better on grass.

I'm only arguing with your view that Roddick is equally as good on carpet and grass as he is on hardcourts. I don't agree with it.

I think Henman was a better indoor player than anything else.

Jimnik
09-17-2007, 10:00 PM
I'm only arguing with your view that Roddick is equally as good on carpet and grass as he is on hardcourts. I don't agree with it.

I think Henman was a better indoor player than anything else.
Exactly equal off course not. But he's almost as good indoors as he is outdoors and I would argue that he's better on grass than hard. It's not like the difference between Nadal on clay and hard.

Henman is better on grass than indoors but I suppose you think his Paris title proves otherwise.

R.Federer
09-17-2007, 10:02 PM
Henman had one great run on indoors, but was not able to replicate that form ever again. He had 4 great runs at Wimbledon. His s/v game and his speed (although people don't credit him for speed much) were well suited to the fast grass of "his times"

l_mac
09-17-2007, 10:10 PM
Exactly equal off course not. But he's almost as good indoors as he is outdoors and I would argue that he's better on grass than hard. It's not like the difference between Nadal on clay and hard.

Henman is better on grass than indoors but I suppose you think his Paris title proves otherwise.


You said Roddick was "just as strong on carpet and grass as he is on hard." That's all I have issue with!

trixtah
09-17-2007, 10:37 PM
Regardless of how it's classified by the organisations, the deco turf is different to the rebound ace. Anyway what are you saying? If you removed every type of hardcourt Andy would be history? Again wrong, unless every tournament was played on European red clay with heavy European tennis balls. That's a very specific surface.


If I'm not worthy of arguing with an intellect like you then why do you even bother to reply?


How many major titles exist on carpet and grass? Look at the win-loss ratios.

Apologies for the snarky comment, but with that aside the original intent of my first post was to negate the idea he proposed--as we've seen, Rafa is more than capable on hard courts. With his success and motivation for it on all surfaces, you can't help but believe that he would have adopted (we've seen a more aggressive Rafa on hard courts as of late) a different game. As there are clay courts, he specialized in them. Roddick on the other hand has done little to better himself on clay courts, preferring to stay on surfaces where he is most comfortable.

calvinhobbes
09-18-2007, 01:39 AM
Andy is a gracious loser and somewhat of a detestable winner. He fights hard and with no timidity against any one, be it Roger or Gasquet. He forgets his rank in every match and I´m sure he doesn´t miss his No. 2 season. Why would we miss it?. Anyway,
he has his own personality, and we´ll miss him when he retires. . . .:) :) :)

Allure
09-18-2007, 02:00 AM
Glad to see many people miss Roddick like me. :)

jole
09-18-2007, 05:30 AM
Hey I remember that poster. He was like a relative of Agassi's or his PR guy or something! :)

Yes, he owned. :D

MissFairy
09-18-2007, 11:42 AM
Glad to see many people miss Roddick like me. :)
He's not dead, you know :p

Pea
09-18-2007, 03:38 PM
Glad to see many people miss Roddick like me. :)

Did you read through the entire thread?:)

trixtah
09-18-2007, 09:02 PM
Did you read through the entire thread?:)

ahaha. It's a short list :p