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What Can Federer Do To Improve His Game?

SheepleBuster
09-12-2007, 04:50 AM
Everybody is talking about Nadal, Djokovic, or Murray to take over Federer. But by no means any of them are more talented than the man himself. So, what should Federer do as far as improving his minor weaknesses to stay at the top for a couple more years? His serve is already great. His forehand is great but shaky lately. The backhand? The return?

Stensland
09-12-2007, 05:11 AM
this year it seems like his unforced error count has skyrocketed. i'm not sure if it's due to risk or lack of concentration, but sometimes he just doesn't appear to be stable enough in matches, losing rallies lots of times.

he might have to cope with the djokovicesque kind of game in the near future, because the "new" player type that is emerging as of now (and i'm not saying roger's old-fashiond already) is a mixture of hewitt and ferrer: good groudnstrokes, being able to hit it hard and running like hell. djokovic is a prototype of this: he's weaker than roger in almost every department basically (he's quickly catching up though, sure) except for one thing: endurance during rallies. he doesn't have any problem grinding it out, 20 strokes, 30 strokes, however long it takes. and with him upping his physical abilities for next year, roger really needs to cut down on those errors during rallies. otherwise novak will simply "do the canas": run like hell and make roger hit errors.

and canas hasn't even got the firepower that djoko has, yet it was enough to hurt roger.

gomeny
09-12-2007, 06:41 AM
As mentioned in the Charlie Rose show, he should become a better serve and volleyer.

MrChopin
09-12-2007, 08:01 AM
A better question is: What does Federer have to do to convince people that he's still #1 in the world by over 2200 points?

To answer your question, a guess, but...

The main problem is that it's nearly impossible to be dominant on every surface. I think his game changed drastically with the addition of Roche. His backhand and volleying are better. His serve is more of a reliable weapon when he needs it (8 straight first serves to wrap up set #2 against Djokovic).

His forehand has suffered the most, and rather than crushing lines like he was in 2004-2005 (parts of 2006), I think he's putting more spin and angle on it. He has to do this to compete on clay, and so he hits his forehand with seemingly less pace and less aggressively yet with more variety in spins and angles. His angles are so drastic now, especially on the backhand pass/flick--the forehand cc pass is routine, almost expected from him now. His fh is not quite as dominant on hard in long rallies, but from '04-'06, he went from 3R-S-F at the French, and he's stayed up there on clay since. Considering that he's still winning most other tournaments, I'd say he's probably happy with the change.

I'd like to see him mix it back up on hard courts and play more aggressively with the forehand, but if he must pick between winning three "convincingly" (as in not just straight sets against #3, #4, and #5) or having a shot at RG, I'll take the later.

twisturhead
09-12-2007, 08:03 AM
Improve The Second Serve And His Backhand Up The Line

VolandriFan
09-12-2007, 08:52 AM
It's very hard to make changes to a game once fully developed. It's not all age related, but rather at the point where the player began development. eg- Stich would finish developing at an older age than Nadal.

Federer has pretty much finished that phase now, so what he should do is work on getting back into shape. If he gets back his old physique, he'll be half a step quicker again.

leng jai
09-12-2007, 09:13 AM
Nose job?

VolandriFan
09-12-2007, 09:20 AM
Nose job?

:lol:

No, that's to improve his fanbase.

Apemant
09-12-2007, 09:33 AM
2nd serve return. Overall, his return is rigged for blocking high-speed 1st serves, so he rarely goes for drive-returns. In practice, that sometimes means that a weak 2nd serve is better vs. Roger than a strong one. Whereas guys like Davy or Blake punish such weak serves with amazing aggressive returns, I've often seen Fed just net those.

In the past, it was pretty much good enough since all he wanted was a solid return, deep enough and horizontally in the middle of the field, to prevent easy putaways by robbing the server of any good angle. That was because he was confident enough in his rallying abilities and he just wanted to put as many serves back in play as possible. But right now, I think he should go for some outright return winners off of weak 2nd serves. There are plenty of guys with the 2nd serve weak enough to allow for some really punishing returns.

TheMightyFed
09-12-2007, 09:52 AM
He can improve his approach shots, in semi and final he really did kamikaze approaches à la Roddick and got crushed. Thes poor approaches led to bad, because difficult, volleys. But I think his veolley technique his good, it is more his approach tactics and mind set (not a warrior-type like Rafter for example) that are to be improved, especially if he wants to shorten points, getting older.

Action Jackson
09-12-2007, 11:13 AM
Retire after he wins 15 Slams.

Everything is the answer.

Apemant
09-12-2007, 11:17 AM
He can improve his approach shots, in semi and final he really did kamikaze approaches à la Roddick and got crushed.

I don't believe in approach shots any more - if by that you mean a shot specifically executed to rush the net in its wake. I don't think it's a good strategy nowadays. Right now you need to hit a shot, wait it fly over the net, consider your opponent's placement, speed and the trajectory of the ball, and then decide if going to the net is a good thing.

Because if the opponent will have enough time to prepare a passer, you're going to look stupid 8 out or 10 times at the net.

Mrs. B
09-12-2007, 11:17 AM
maybe you should ask this to the other players so they can come up with 12 Slams. :p

sports freak
09-12-2007, 11:17 AM
Eat more Fruit n Vegetables to become stronger physical but the main thing is definetely serve n volley,once that's mastered get ready to run and here comes Frenchie!!

Polikarpov
09-12-2007, 01:30 PM
Nose job?

Hell no! It's his lucky charm!

thesupreme
09-12-2007, 01:33 PM
nothing, because MTF will still f*cking moan about it....


lol

TheMightyFed
09-12-2007, 01:37 PM
I don't think it's a good strategy nowadays. Right now you need to hit a shot, wait it fly over the net, consider your opponent's placement, speed and the trajectory of the ball, and then decide if going to the net is a good thing.

If you need to assess that many parameters, you'd better not come to the net! Approaches are still part of the game, but you must respect certain principles. For example you'd better move the guy wide and approach down the line than approach crosscourt whith the guy well on his feet. Unfortunately, I saw Roddcik and even Fed do the latter too often during the US Open.

CmonAussie
09-12-2007, 02:08 PM
****
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Shave his head like Agassi did in 1995,~~that way there`ll be less wind resistance & less hair flicking<:)

ranaldo
09-13-2007, 10:46 AM
I don't believe in approach shots any more - if by that you mean a shot specifically executed to rush the net in its wake. I don't think it's a good strategy nowadays. Right now you need to hit a shot, wait it fly over the net, consider your opponent's placement, speed and the trajectory of the ball, and then decide if going to the net is a good thing.

Because if the opponent will have enough time to prepare a passer, you're going to look stupid 8 out or 10 times at the net.

Yep :)
Also he should stop serve and volleying on his 2nd serve, especially against good returners such as Davydenko.
He needs to work on his backhand down the line. It's a very frail shot when he tries to hit it consistently.
I actually don't but all the 'fed should go to net more'. He'd be butchered if he went there as often especially on clay.

SwiSha
09-13-2007, 10:48 AM
nothing
Federer is amazing, incredible, he is the king

no

Federer is God

Action Jackson
09-13-2007, 10:49 AM
Hire marcRD as his coach.

jonny84
09-13-2007, 10:54 AM
Basically he needs to put pressure on his clay court game to finally win the French Open and then complete the set of slams.

He's won all the others at least three times, been ranked #1 for three years, won the Masters Cup and a host of other Masters titles.

If he wins the French there is nothing else he can really accomplish, apart from winning more and more majors.

bokehlicious
09-13-2007, 11:01 AM
Basically he needs to put pressure on his clay court game to finally win the French Open and then complete the set of slams.

He's won all the others at least three times, been ranked #1 for three years, won the Masters Cup and a host of other Masters titles.

If he wins the French there is nothing else he can really accomplish, apart from winning more and more majors.

Winning the Olympics is a goal as well (much more than DC :angel: )...

DDrago2
09-13-2007, 01:16 PM
He can do nothing as his game is now what it always should have been. He can put emphasis on this or that as circumstances change, that's all

Forehander
09-13-2007, 05:40 PM
he still needs to improve on tons to be honest. I mean he still CAN improve on tons. His forehand on the run is crap when he plays against a good baseliner and his backhand is still somewhat short at times. His serve and volley definitely also needs improvement.

Mr. Magassi
09-13-2007, 05:45 PM
Nose job?

Love that nose! The slice backhand on 2nd serves drives me a bit nuts -- but I wouldn't change what aint broke... :)

Forehander
09-13-2007, 05:51 PM
Love that nose! The slice backhand on 2nd serves drives me a bit nuts -- but I wouldn't change what aint broke... :)

the slice on second serve works well, it seduces amateur players too go for too much.

and sry whatsup with your avatar? is that a guy? Is that of a professional tennis player? that's one of the most disgusting tanked up bodies i've seen possibly lol.

Julio
09-13-2007, 06:05 PM
For me, nothing special.
Concerning his equipment, I just would like to see him changing of racquet for Roland Garros ; using a bigger head size to return effectively Nadal's moon balls on his backand.

Mr. Magassi
09-13-2007, 06:15 PM
the slice on second serve works well, it seduces amateur players too go for too much.

and sry whatsup with your avatar? is that a guy? Is that of a professional tennis player? that's one of the most disgusting tanked up bodies i've seen possibly lol.

Pardon my ignorance, but what does "tanked up" mean?

mickymouse
09-13-2007, 06:18 PM
Go fishing. Cultivate patience. Especially on clay.

Byrd
09-13-2007, 06:22 PM
Need a drop shot and a drop shot volley for clay.

Pea
09-13-2007, 06:29 PM
****
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Shave his head like Agassi did in 1995,~~that way there`ll be less wind resistance & less hair flicking<:)

Please, like that was meant to improe his game. He was just trying desperately to hide his rapid balding.

kobulingam
09-13-2007, 06:35 PM
What he needs to do first is GET BACK the forehand side defense he had. This aspect of his game is a shell of itself from previous years (even AO).

jazar
09-13-2007, 07:39 PM
he could learn to fly, then he would be invincible. [insert evil laugh]

trixtah
09-13-2007, 07:41 PM
Need a drop shot and a drop shot volley for clay.

He has drop volleys down...

I think he needs to cut down on those UEs--I don't have the same confidence that all his balls are going to land in the court as when I was watching him 1-2 years ago during >5 ball rallies

FedFan_2007
09-13-2007, 07:45 PM
Federer has won the most consecutive titles in the Open Era at three different Slams: Australian Open = 2, Wimbledon = 5, US Open = 4 consecutive. This is the first time a single player has at least tied three Slam win streaks, let alone at the same time (not counting the trivial case at the inception of the Open Era where one Slam was the maximum).

leng jai
09-14-2007, 12:37 AM
Actually he if started taking performance enhancing drugs and tanked the MM tournaments he'd be GOAT.

pmhong
09-14-2007, 02:30 AM
The only thing he can master is backhand return against serves that bounce over the shoulder on clay. People have said that Nadal's serve to his backhand is the main problem. It is a very difficult skill, but players with the best backhands like Kuerten and Gaudio could hit good returns against this kind of serve. Many people wish to see Federer and Sampras play on grass but clay lovers want to see Kuerten and Nadal on clay. That would be an awesome match.

But like somebody said, no one can master all surfaces. Federer is already great on clay. I personally don't believe that Federer can improve his game any more. The only blemish in his career is the missing French Open trophy, if you can even call it a blemish. Federer is grass court player. What he needs is not more skills but more luck to win French. If Nadal was injured once during the last three years during the summer, he would have won it:)

leng jai
09-14-2007, 02:37 AM
Federer would rather win the French with Nadal playing, if he won it while Nadal was injured there'd still be tards complaining.

gomeny
09-14-2007, 02:52 AM
Go fishing. Cultivate patience. Especially on clay.

interesting, Johnny Mac thinks he needs to attack more and step in on Nadal when he's serving to ad side of the court.

drf716
09-14-2007, 09:56 AM
Go fishing.

oh no little fishes! run away while you still can! i mean, swim away...

kollbster
09-14-2007, 04:03 PM
:banghead: Improve The Second Serve And His Backhand Up The Line

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/extrastats/s_srv_pts_won_ms.html

2nd server improvement...What a :bs:

rwn
09-14-2007, 04:40 PM
Federer has to do this: keep working hard and stay focused on his goals. I'm sure the reward will be high.

groundstroke
09-14-2007, 05:36 PM
Learn how to beat Nadal in Rolland Garos.

ranaldo
09-14-2007, 07:06 PM
The only thing he can master is backhand return against serves that bounce over the shoulder on clay. People have said that Nadal's serve to his backhand is the main problem. It is a very difficult skill, but players with the best backhands like Kuerten and Gaudio could hit good returns against this kind of serve. Many people wish to see Federer and Sampras play on grass but clay lovers want to see Kuerten and Nadal on clay. That would be an awesome match.

But like somebody said, no one can master all surfaces. Federer is already great on clay. I personally don't believe that Federer can improve his game any more. The only blemish in his career is the missing French Open trophy, if you can even call it a blemish. Federer is grass court player. What he needs is not more skills but more luck to win French. If Nadal was injured once during the last three years during the summer, he would have won it:)

It's not so much about improvement, it's about believing he can do it on clay and using the right tactics to do so: hit to Nadal's forehand, step up on every second serve, less brainfarts... He'll be even less successful the day he starts listening to those clueless commentators talking about serve and volleying against Nadal.

Forehander
09-15-2007, 04:42 AM
Federer can improve his game by 10x if he combine the right amount of weight training and yoga together. Apparently he doesn't do any weight training and have such a different diet too so it's a bit of a shame, but it just shows how incredibly talented he is.

leng jai
09-15-2007, 06:14 AM
If you have the right technique you don't need any extra bulk. Federer's physique is fine, he generates his power with good technique and a strong right wrist. Hewitt bulked up a tonne at AO 05, but I fail to notice much difference in his shot power besides a little more pop on the serve.

World Beater
09-15-2007, 06:18 AM
grow some cojones, preferably norweigian ones. :lol: