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If Nadal finishes the year No1

ExpectedWinner
09-11-2007, 08:30 PM
Federer won 3 GS titles. Still Nadal has a chance to finish this year No1. If it happens, what would you think about the situation?

scarecrows
09-11-2007, 08:32 PM
I would think that federer should have played 2-3 more MM tournaments

Johnny Groove
09-11-2007, 08:34 PM
There is a verry little chance of this happening. Dont worry. AO is Nadal's last big chance to take #1, if only for a few weeks before IW.

Beforehand
09-11-2007, 08:39 PM
Yeah. I'd think "Roger, you mug. How do you win 3 majors and finish #2?"

natasha_nana
09-11-2007, 08:41 PM
There is a verry little chance of this happening. Dont worry. AO is Nadal's last big chance to take #1, if only for a few weeks before IW.

exactly.

Sunset of Age
09-11-2007, 08:44 PM
I'd be highly surprised if it would happen...

But if it does, all one can conclude is that Rafa would get the well-deserved reward for his very bold gamble to achieve as many points as possible at any cost, which he has been trying to do so far (and, which he IMHO failed at during the past US HC season).

We'll see what happens. The points don't lie. The one who ends up with the most points at the closure of 2007, is the REAL no.1 over that year (sorry, Jonathan :p).

t0x
09-11-2007, 08:44 PM
I doubt it'll happen.

But if it did it would suck ass... that shouldn't happen!

R.Federer
09-11-2007, 08:46 PM
If it happens, it is well deserved. Congratulations. The tournament is not composed of just 4 slams. It is about doing well on all surfaces consistently throughout the year. If the points show that Nadal wins this, then he must have done better on average throughout the year.

mashamaniac
09-11-2007, 08:47 PM
i'd say,if he finishes #1 surely he deserved it! but it's very unlikely to happen! AO is not his last but best chance to grab #1!

Johnny Groove
09-11-2007, 08:48 PM
I'd be highly surprised if it would happen...

But if it does, all one can conclude is that Rafa would get the well-deserved reward for his very bold gamble to achieve as many points as possible at any cost, which he has been trying to do so far (and, which he IMHO failed at during the past US HC season).

We'll see what happens. The points don't lie. The one who ends up with the most points at the closure of 2007, is the REAL no.1 over that year (sorry, Jonathan :p).

:p :kiss:

I've had this avvie since the week between Barca and Rome, so I dont plan on changing it, especially due to the new stupid smaller avvies :kiss:

rofe
09-11-2007, 08:50 PM
The problem won't be with him reaching #1 but with how the ranking system allowed him to do that. This is only because, at the end of a player's career, people only talk about # of GS won and nothing else. If the TMS or IS or ISG were mentioned in the same breath as the GS then I wouldn't even have any problems with the ranking system either.

Sunset of Age
09-11-2007, 08:52 PM
:p :kiss:

I've had this avvie since the week between Barca and Rome, so I dont plan on changing it, especially due to the new stupid smaller avvies :kiss:

Yeah, I know... :lol: - you should get a premium account too! :hug:

Johnny Groove
09-11-2007, 08:54 PM
Yeah, I know... :lol: - you should get a premium account too! :hug:

Eh, im a cheap bastard :p

holagirl56
09-11-2007, 08:55 PM
There's basically no chance of Nadal taking #1 this year, both points wise, and because he has an injury as well.

l_mac
09-11-2007, 08:57 PM
The problem won't be with him reaching #1 but with how the ranking system allowed him to do that. This is only because, at the end of a player's career, people only talk about # of GS won and nothing else. If the TMS or IS or ISG were mentioned in the same breath as the GS then I wouldn't even have any problems with the ranking system either.


GS's award twice as many points as MS and 4 times as many points as ISG/IS tournaments. How many more points do you want them to be worth? The season is 45 weeks long, not 8.

rofe
09-11-2007, 09:03 PM
GS's award twice as many points as MS and 4 times as many points as ISG tournaments. How many more points do you want them to be worth? The season is 45 weeks long, not 8.

You didn't quite understand what I said. Since the season is 45 weeks long we should also be able to recognize a player's TMS career for instance. We currently don't since it is all about the GS. As such, being #1 has to be (fortunately or unfortunately) tied to total # of GS held.

anon57
09-11-2007, 09:07 PM
It would be odd that a player with 3 GS titles could end the year at no 2 but the rankings are based on the entire season and not just the GS so if Nadal does finish the year at no 1 he'll have deserved it based on his entire season.

l_mac
09-11-2007, 09:10 PM
You didn't quite understand what I said. Since the season is 45 weeks long we should also be able to recognize a player's TMS career for instance. We currently don't since it is all about the GS. As such, being #1 has to be (fortunately or unfortunately) tied to total # of GS held.

Sorry if I misunderstood you. I thought you meant the rankings system was wrong to allow a player who had won 3 Slams to finish anywhere other than 1st.

siddy
09-11-2007, 09:24 PM
Ummm... Federer has played only one International Series event so far (they count five towards the rankings) -- Nadal has played more than 5 I think. fed still has Tokyo and Basel to play (defending champ in both tournies) -- I don't see how Nadal will overtake him from here on. The Masters Cup could change things but only if Fed loses, like, all his matches and Nadal wins the damn thing. Plus I think Fed will play Paris Masters this year (he hasn't for the past few years) and Madrid as well.

guga2120
09-11-2007, 09:28 PM
Novak does not have alot of points to defend in the fall, Nadal could very possibly finish #3, especially with his knee's.

Burrow
09-11-2007, 09:33 PM
There is a verry little chance of this happening. Dont worry. AO is Nadal's last big chance to take #1, if only for a few weeks before IW.

Like he will even make the quarters.

l_mac
09-11-2007, 09:52 PM
Ummm... Federer has played only one International Series event so far (they count five towards the rankings) -- Nadal has played more than 5 I think. fed still has Tokyo and Basel to play (defending champ in both tournies) -- I don't see how Nadal will overtake him from here on. The Masters Cup could change things but only if Fed loses, like, all his matches and Nadal wins the damn thing. Plus I think Fed will play Paris Masters this year (he hasn't for the past few years) and Madrid as well.

No-one on the thread thinks that Nadal finishing at #1 is going to happen. However, it is mathematically possible if Fed loses all his matches from now until the season's end and Nadal wins Madrid, Paris and TMC (:haha:) The piont of the thread is hiow valid Nadal's #1 ranking would be considering Fed has won 3 Slams.

spencercarlos
09-11-2007, 09:53 PM
Well Muster took over the number one ranking in 1996 despite having only 1 GS win, and Sampras held Wimbledon and the Usopen. Still Muster had like 1 GS win and other 10 tournaments won at the time..

Hingis for instance took over the number one ranking from Graf eventhough Graf was holding 3 grand slam wins and the YEC in March-April of 1997.

World Beater
09-11-2007, 09:55 PM
Well Muster took over the number one ranking in 1996 despite having only 1 GS win, and Sampras held Wimbledon and the Usopen. Still Muster had like 1 GS win and other 10 tournaments won at the time..

Hingis for instance took over the number one ranking from Graf eventhough Graf was holding 3 grand slam wins and the YEC in March-April of 1997.

i wonder if federer will say that nadal didnt deserve the #1 rank like sampras did with muster.

agassi, sampras and courier all sandbagged muster when he got to #1 even if it was legitimate.

Magus13
09-11-2007, 09:57 PM
I always have said that whoever ins the most points from January to November is the Number 1 one player. If Fed were to have three Grand Slams and and not finish 1, it would be his fault for doing poorly at Indian Wells, Miami, Rome and not entering enought tournaments to make up the points.

jtipson
09-11-2007, 09:59 PM
Federer won 3 GS titles. Still Nadal has a chance to finish this year No1. If it happens, what would you think about the situation?

I think there would be calls for an overhaul of the ranking system. Grand slams are generally regarded as the most important events in tennis, so if someone who has almost a perfect slam year (3 wins, 1 final) doesn't finish number one, then that means the rankings aren't correctly reflecting the importance of slams.

Burrow
09-11-2007, 10:02 PM
Well federer has 3750 of the possible 4000 points in grand slams so it is crazy it is still possible of being over taken :haha:

DrJules
09-11-2007, 10:02 PM
Nadal as number 1 would confirm that the computer generating the rankings has a virus.:lol: :lol: :lol:

l_mac
09-11-2007, 10:04 PM
Well federer has 3750 of the possible 4000 points in grand slams so it is crazy it is still possible of being over taken :haha:


3,700.

Sorry, that was pedantic. I am very, very bored.

Sunset of Age
09-11-2007, 11:02 PM
Hey, EW - why not make this poll a public one? ;)

megadeth
09-11-2007, 11:02 PM
how many points do rogi and rafa have for the fall to defend?

rogi has madrid, basel, japan, and tmc (whoa!) he can only add more points by actually playing in paris

rafa doesn't have any tourneys to defend this fall so the points can only go up...

but honestly, i don't think reaching number 1 this year is rafa's goal. he said that himself that he won't change his schedule this year to pursue #1...

WF4EVER
09-11-2007, 11:08 PM
I have no problem with anyone taking over the No. 1 position if they've met the criteria.

My problem is that you can have a player, in this case, Nadal overtake the No. 1 player at the very end of the season and perhaps hold it for only a few weeks into the new season, yet this player's record that will bear the YE number 1 and it's importance even though he only holds the position for a few weeks. That I think isn't fair.

The record would show that Nadal was the YE No. 1 but no-one will care that Federer held the position for let's say, 40 weeks of the season.

Every body talks about Pete ending the year as No. 1 for six years in a row but those years were not consecutive (weeks), so it's misleading. He could have trailed for most of the year (I'm not saying that he did) and then overtake at the very end. Yet it would give no justice to the player who held the position for the most weeks during that year.

World Beater
09-11-2007, 11:11 PM
I have no problem with anyone taking over the No. 1 position if they've met the criteria.

My problem is that you can have a player, in this case, Nadal overtake the No. 1 player at the very end of the season and perhaps hold it for only a few weeks into the new season, yet this player's record that will bear the YE number 1 and it's importance even though he only holds the position for a few weeks. That I think isn't fair.

The record would show that Nadal was the YE No. 1 but no-one will care that Federer held the position for let's say, 40 weeks of the season.

Every body talks about Pete ending the year as No. 1 for six years in a row but those years were not consecutive, so it's misleading. He could have trailed for most of the year (I'm not saying that he did) and then overtake at the very end. Yet it would give no justice to the player who held the position for the most weeks during that year.

massive hype created by pete sampras. This was not such a big achievement until sampras came along.

Andi-M
09-11-2007, 11:21 PM
imo Fed should finish no1 theres no other way if you msake 100% GS finals winning 75% of the time you deserve to be no1.

star
09-11-2007, 11:46 PM
I have no problem with anyone taking over the No. 1 position if they've met the criteria.

My problem is that you can have a player, in this case, Nadal overtake the No. 1 player at the very end of the season and perhaps hold it for only a few weeks into the new season, yet this player's record that will bear the YE number 1 and it's importance even though he only holds the position for a few weeks. That I think isn't fair.

The record would show that Nadal was the YE No. 1 but no-one will care that Federer held the position for let's say, 40 weeks of the season.

Every body talks about Pete ending the year as No. 1 for six years in a row but those years were not consecutive (weeks), so it's misleading. He could have trailed for most of the year (I'm not saying that he did) and then overtake at the very end. Yet it would give no justice to the player who held the position for the most weeks during that year.

Oh, Sampras used to drive me crazy because it seemed every year he was behind in the rankings, but he would go to Europe (when the surfaces were still fast carpet) and win every indoor tournament and finish number one. :ras:

Just one question about your post: Doesn't "six years in a row" mean consecutive years? They are one in the same are they not?

R.Federer
09-11-2007, 11:52 PM
Just one question about your post: Doesn't "six years in a row" mean consecutive years? They are one in the same are they not?

He means that he finished the year No.1 for 6 consecutive years.

But within those 6 years he did not hold No. 1 for all consecutive weeks.

megadeth
09-12-2007, 12:03 AM
well, which stat would have more merit?

seems like fed is on his way to a 4th consecutive year end #1, week in and week out... so is that more impressive than pete's 6 straight #1 year enders but losing the top spot along the way during the year just to redeem it by tmc?

BlakeJamitis
09-12-2007, 12:12 AM
Won't Happen!!!

jasmin
09-12-2007, 12:17 AM
It's the point system. It's flawed and if this was to happen imo it would be silly.

Metis
09-12-2007, 12:27 AM
I thought this was one of the "If... (blah, blah, blah), I give you money" threads... :sad:

GlennMirnyi
09-12-2007, 12:36 AM
3,700.

Sorry, that was pedantic. I am very, very bored.

Yeah you are pedantic indeed.

dmit424
09-12-2007, 12:37 AM
If he finished No1, he deserves it. I don't see how this will happen though. It now seems that Nadal gets himself rolling up the clay hill during clay season, keeps rolling to the peak of the hill during Wimbledon, slips up just a little bit at the grassy top, and kind of sloppily stumbles down the hard (court) side of the hill, never quite regaining his stride. Then he gets to the next hill, sees the clay, and charges up again. Repeat. Repeat.

W!MBLEDON
09-12-2007, 12:46 AM
Points Federer has to defend over the coming weeks of 2007:

(1/10) Tokyo, Japan (won; 250 pts. to defend)
(15/10) Madrid, Spain (won; 500 pts. to defend)
(22/10) Basel, Switzerland (won; 250 pts. to defend)
(12/11) Shanghai, China (won without losing an RR match; 750 pts. to defend)

Points Nadal has to defend over the coming weeks of 2007:

(8/10) Stockholm, Sweden (lost in R16; 20 pts. to defend) *
(15/10) Madrid, Spain (lost in QF; 125 pts. to defend)
(12/11) Shanghai, China (lost in SF; 200 pts. to defend)

* Points gained in this tournament do not, as of current, actually count toward player's total of ranking points.

Somehow, I don't see an overtake happening. :)

megadeth
09-12-2007, 12:54 AM
Points Federer has to defend over the coming weeks of 2007:

(1/10) Tokyo, Japan (won; 250 pts. to defend)
(15/10) Madrid, Spain (won; 500 pts. to defend)
(22/10) Basel, Switzerland (won; 250 pts. to defend)
(12/11) Shanghai, China (won without losing an RR match; 750 pts. to defend)

Points Nadal has to defend over the coming weeks of 2007:

(8/10) Stockholm, Sweden (lost in R16; 20 pts. to defend) *
(15/10) Madrid, Spain (lost in QF; 125 pts. to defend)
(12/11) Shanghai, China (lost in SF; 200 pts. to defend)

* Points gained in this tournament do not, as of current, actually count toward player's total of ranking points.

Somehow, I don't see an overtake happening. :)

but that's a lot of points for fed to defend! but i suppose the more urgent concern is being ahead of the race for the remainder of this year...

after the A0'08, fed has a chance to rack up points in IW and Miami, and Rome...

Burrow
09-12-2007, 01:12 AM
3,700.

Sorry, that was pedantic. I am very, very bored.

oh yes, you are right. I always seem to think that you achieve 750 when I have learned several times it is 700.

Magus13
09-12-2007, 02:18 AM
The points for Basel and Japan are points he must defend in the Overall 12 month point system. In the ATP point race that begins in January, Fed can only add to his point total as these are optionals and he has only played one so far this year.

Sunset of Age
09-12-2007, 02:30 AM
I feel a mite of flabbergasted at the poll result right now.

Come on people. If he manages to achieve that #1 spot ( I said IF, here, eh? :p) - why not acknowledge he indeed DESERVES that spot???

Not that I think it's bound to happen, but still.
Please be able to give the appropriate credits where credits are due. That's all I can ask for, I suppose. :angel:

Johnny Groove
09-12-2007, 02:57 AM
Points to defend until IW 2008:

Federer: 250 (Tokyo)+ 500 (Madrid)+ 250 (Basel)+ 750 (TMC)+ 1000 (AO)+ 300 (Dubai)= 3050

Nadal: 125 (Madrid)+ 200 (TMC)+ 75 (Chennai)+ 250(AO)+ 75 (Dubai)= 725 :eek:

So Fed is defending 3050, Nadal only 725, and the current gap is 2,220 points.

Personally, I think its going to go down to the wire. Nadal is playing the MM clay events in SA next year, so he can increase his optionals points, but it is inconceivable that Fed will repeat his IW and Miami performances from this year. Nadal has until before IW to take #1

alfonsojose
09-12-2007, 03:05 AM
JesusFed should play Paris instead of Basel. He already won his home tournament

megadeth
09-12-2007, 04:39 AM
Points to defend until IW 2008:

Federer: 250 (Tokyo)+ 500 (Madrid)+ 250 (Basel)+ 750 (TMC)+ 1000 (AO)+ 300 (Dubai)= 3050

Nadal: 125 (Madrid)+ 200 (TMC)+ 75 (Chennai)+ 250(AO)+ 75 (Dubai)= 725 :eek:

So Fed is defending 3050, Nadal only 725, and the current gap is 2,220 points.

Personally, I think its going to go down to the wire. Nadal is playing the MM clay events in SA next year, so he can increase his optionals points, but it is inconceivable that Fed will repeat his IW and Miami performances from this year. Nadal has until before IW to take #1


nadal will play the SA tourneys next year? which ones will he sacrifice in his sked? 2008 is gonna be a crazier sked than this year!!!

i'm sure after 2 years of this downhill at the latter part of the season, nadal would now heed this and make adjustments so that his hard court campaign won't suffer again

gomeny
09-12-2007, 04:46 AM
I feel a mite of flabbergasted at the poll result right now.

Come on people. If he manages to achieve that #1 spot ( I said IF, here, eh? :p) - why not acknowledge he indeed DESERVES that spot???

Not that I think it's bound to happen, but still.
Please be able to give the appropriate credits where credits are due. That's all I can ask for, I suppose. :angel:

I agree, I hope he can pull it out like Guga back in 2000:)

groundstroke
09-12-2007, 06:57 AM
Urgh.. he won't reach #1 for some time.

Marek.
09-12-2007, 07:01 AM
I don't think he will but if he did I think it would be kind of stupid since he has one slam as opposed to three from Fed.

caleb_123
09-12-2007, 07:30 AM
If nadal ever ends up number 1 which is to me is impossible since fed has won the USopen, he wouldn't be the real deal anyone with a tennis brain know 's winning slams prove you're the world best and winning alot of MM tournaments to get to number one is a joke.

Still i want Nadal to be number 1 once in his career he deserves it, but not at the cost of winning one slam and alot of MM tourney with fed winnig the other 3 slams.

Does not seem right to me.

l_mac
09-12-2007, 07:34 AM
nadal will play the SA tourneys next year? which ones will he sacrifice in his sked? 2008 is gonna be a crazier sked than this year!!!




He's playing the SA clay swing instead of Dubai etc, not as well as :lol: I don't think he has any non mandatory hard court tournaments in his schedule next year except for an AO warm up and the Olympics.

jcempire
09-12-2007, 08:04 AM
Federer won 3 GS titles. Still Nadal has a chance to finish this year No1. If it happens, what would you think about the situation?

It would never happen in this year

jcempire
09-12-2007, 08:04 AM
Federer won 3 GS titles. Still Nadal has a chance to finish this year No1. If it happens, what would you think about the situation?

I believe Djok got better chance than Nadal

Pea
09-12-2007, 10:14 AM
Wow, I didn't think he had any more chances for this year. That's crazy.

ExpectedWinner
09-28-2007, 03:25 PM
*BUMP*

It's still possible. Fed refuses to play optionals this year.

RogiFan88
09-28-2007, 04:54 PM
*BUMP*

It's still possible. Fed refuses to play optionals this year.

Rogi is "refusing" to play optionals...

In any case, he's donating 250 ranking pts to Rafa.

RogiFan88
09-28-2007, 04:55 PM
Wow, I didn't think he had any more chances for this year. That's crazy.

even after Tokyo, there is still Madrid, Basel and TMC Shanghai...

*snowflake*
09-28-2007, 07:43 PM
I'd think: who did he sleep with to get it?

I doubt it will happen til the end of the season but i have my fingers crossed for the next one. He can stay at it for a month, than it's Nole's turn etc. That would be in my perfect world but since we don't live in it i'm sure there will be more elbow shoving for that no.1 spot with Federer.

Jogy
09-29-2007, 12:05 PM
Then I would think that Federer sucked in the rest of the tournaments even more as he sucks in some Slams. The only Slam he has a competition with the best man on clay, he goes away as loser from court. He has not enoug heart and is not good enough on clay.

nobama
09-29-2007, 02:41 PM
Then I would think that Federer sucked in the rest of the tournaments even more as he sucks in some Slams. The only Slam he has a competition with the best man on clay, he goes away as loser from court. He has not enoug heart and is not good enough on clay.:zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

TennisGrandSlam
09-29-2007, 02:43 PM
Nadal = enhanced version of Muster :devil:

Mateya
09-29-2007, 02:51 PM
Nadal = Muster on steroids :tape: :devil:

Daniel
09-29-2007, 02:54 PM
Its ridiculous. Federer is the real number 1. :)

elessar
09-29-2007, 03:08 PM
I would think that Nadal would deserve the number 1 ranking because of all the efforts he's put out to get there but I'd still think that Federer's the best player

Black Adam
09-29-2007, 03:48 PM
There is a very little chance of this happening. Dont worry. AO is Nadal's last big chance to take #1, if only for a few weeks before IW.
Numbers don't lie but Quality wise 3 slams will deserve it more.
I second that but I am worried that Nadal won't be at full force in February. Great news is that he will play some Clay tournaments in South America to gain some points, but if he learned to gain more points on fast surfaces, things would be more interesting. If he is recovered, then he should do well In Madrid and gain some points in Paris and Shanghai. But definitely not getting to number 1 unless Fed gets injured or "fatigued"

DDrago2
09-29-2007, 08:19 PM
Nadal is already history. He should have already been no.1 if he wants it... now it's too late even if he does it that's not in anymore

I mean, there is not such a hype around him like it was on the beggining. And never will be again

You can't compare him with Federer, who didn't have any hype around him when he started winning Grand Slams

Marek.
09-29-2007, 08:24 PM
Then I would think that Federer sucked in the rest of the tournaments even more as he sucks in some Slams. The only Slam he has a competition with the best man on clay, he goes away as loser from court. He has not enoug heart and is not good enough on clay.

Trying to make one last run at the ACC?

Fed=ATPTourkilla
09-29-2007, 10:14 PM
Points to defend until IW 2008:

Federer: 250 (Tokyo)+ 500 (Madrid)+ 250 (Basel)+ 750 (TMC)+ 1000 (AO)+ 300 (Dubai)= 3050

Nadal: 125 (Madrid)+ 200 (TMC)+ 75 (Chennai)+ 250(AO)+ 75 (Dubai)= 725 :eek:

So Fed is defending 3050, Nadal only 725, and the current gap is 2,220 points.

Personally, I think its going to go down to the wire. Nadal is playing the MM clay events in SA next year, so he can increase his optionals points, but it is inconceivable that Fed will repeat his IW and Miami performances from this year. Nadal has until before IW to take #1

Your personal and of course completely unbiased view was that the 2007 race would go down to the wire - look how that prediction ended up. :)

Johnny Groove
09-29-2007, 10:16 PM
Your personal and of course completely unbiased view was that the 2007 race would go down to the wire - look how that prediction ended up. :)

I was talking about until IW. Notice how i talked about next year

Allure
09-29-2007, 10:18 PM
Nadal is already history. He should have already been no.1 if he wants it... now it's too late even if he does it that's not in anymore

I mean, there is not such a hype around him like it was on the beggining. And never will be again

You can't compare him with Federer, who didn't have any hype around him when he started winning Grand Slams

He's only 21.

Del_Toro
09-29-2007, 11:22 PM
Very ridiculous indeed. Besides if I am not wrong Roger just needs some "average" performances at Madrid, Paris and the MC in order to lock the number 1.
Next chance for Rafa to take the Number 1 spot will be after the AusOpen

Burrow
09-30-2007, 04:15 PM
Its ridiculous but it will certainly not happen anyway.

Burrow
09-30-2007, 04:18 PM
I was talking about until IW. Notice how i talked about next year

:lol: