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DC WG Playoff: Who will win the Czech Republic vs. Switzerland?

Action Jackson
09-11-2007, 02:34 PM
This tie will be held indoors on a fast surface and the teams are quite evenly matched and if a couple of players one each on both sides played in their 1st round ties, then they wouldn't be in the position of fighting for World Group status.

The Swiss will have Federer, Wawrinka, Allegro and it could be anyone for the 4th position as they will be head cheerleader or getting the drinks.

The Czechs will have Berdych, Stepanek, Dlouhy and Damm in their team more than likely.

This tie is actually more interesting that the WG semi finals in a lot of ways and the doubles will be key.

Berdych vs Wawrinka
Stepanek vs Federer

If it goes to a live 5th match I think Wawrinka will win it as Stepanek has crumbled in this format a few times before.

R.Federer
09-11-2007, 02:37 PM
I think Swiss will go at least 3-2! I'm hoping for two Federer single wins, and I am also optimistic about a doubles win by Suisse, Dlouhy and Damm not withstanding!! HOPPPPPPPPPPP

barbadosan
09-11-2007, 02:39 PM
I think Swiss will go at least 3-2! I'm hoping for two Federer single wins, and I am also optimistic about a doubles win by Suisse, Dlouhy and Damm not withstanding!! HOPPPPPPPPPPP
don't know too much about the Czech doubles players... but I'll give a Hail Mary vote for the Swiss :)

Action Jackson
09-11-2007, 02:43 PM
Damm and Stepanek were a very good team, though some would say Dlouhy/Vizner should have been picked.

Eden
09-11-2007, 02:45 PM
It will be the first match on hardcourt between Roger and Tomas since their 2004 meeting on hard in Athens.
Good for the Czech team that Stepanek is making a DC comeback, but it should also be a promising sign for the Swiss team that Stan had such a good run at the US Open. Lets hope that he can at least take one point for the team.

I think we can look forward to an excellent encounter between this two teams and although the Czechs are playing at home the Swiss team should be favourite with Roger and an in-form Wawrinka.

Jimnik
09-11-2007, 02:50 PM
Well considering they just reached the US Open final you'd think Dlouhy/Vizner should be the doubles team.

Anyway the Swiss will probably win. Stan the man can kill the tie in the first match.

Mrs. B
09-11-2007, 02:54 PM
Hopp, Schwiiz!!! :)

Or Levy
09-11-2007, 03:17 PM
Should be good matches - would it be shown anywhere? These are GS material matches.

TMJordan
09-11-2007, 03:28 PM
I think it will depend on the Berdych/Wawrinka match.

If Berdych wins than I look for Sexy Stepanek to seal the deal in the 5th tie with a god like preformance.

ChinoRios4Ever
09-12-2007, 01:34 AM
Stan is the key, he must win a single to help Swiss to win

Snowwy
09-12-2007, 02:11 AM
Id love to see the Czechs win so that next year Roger plays DC to help Switzerland rejoin the world group.

GlennMirnyi
09-12-2007, 02:23 AM
Stepanek ain't losing to Wawrinka, doesn't matter the format. So isn't Berdych.

Doubles will be key.

Action Jackson
09-14-2007, 12:03 PM
In a way I want the Swiss to lose, but more than likely Superman Federer will get them home.

krystlel
09-14-2007, 12:06 PM
I want the Czechs to win, but they won't. It's a shame that a team with Berdych and Stepanek and a good doubles team will probably be out of the world group next year.

LeChuck
09-14-2007, 12:09 PM
I would like to see the Czechs remain in the World Group, but then again the Swiss team do have Stan the man who I like.
I would make Switzerland the favourites to win this tie.

Action Jackson
09-14-2007, 12:11 PM
Problem is if the Swiss lose it will be more likely down to Stani, though at least he plays the 1st round matches.

stebs
09-14-2007, 12:22 PM
Stepanek ain't losing to Wawrinka, doesn't matter the format. So isn't Berdych.

Doubles will be key.

Unbalievable you can dare to call other people fanboys when you come out with stuff like this.

Wawrinka is a very good player and no Berdych and Stepanek are not good enough to be assured victory against any very good player.

I am not clowning around saying Wawa is favourite or whatever but your comment is laughable and more fanboyish than most of the comments you pick on.

I will pick SUI 3-2 CZE but it could easily be very different and I agree with GWH in that this is as interesting as any DC SF and hopefully some good tennis will be played.

Really, both these teams are good enough for the world group. A shame they are against each other in some ways but hopefully it'll make for an entertaining tie at least.

Burrow
09-14-2007, 12:39 PM
I think it will depend on the Berdych/Wawrinka match.

If Berdych wins than I look for Sexy Stepanek to seal the deal in the 5th tie with a god like preformance.

...then we might see the worm.

Oh yes! :worship:

Lunaris
09-14-2007, 03:14 PM
It depends on Berdych's match against Wawrinka. I don't see Stepanek losing to Wawrinka but Berdych is a different matter. Hopefully he will be healthy.

shotgun
09-14-2007, 04:31 PM
It will be the first match on hardcourt between Roger and Tomas since their 2004 meeting on hard in Athens.

Actually, it will be their first match ever on indoor carpet.

DrJules
09-14-2007, 10:29 PM
Unbalievable you can dare to call other people fanboys when you come out with stuff like this.

Wawrinka is a very good player and no Berdych and Stepanek are not good enough to be assured victory against any very good player.

I am not clowning around saying Wawa is favourite or whatever but your comment is laughable and more fanboyish than most of the comments you pick on.

I will pick SUI 3-2 CZE but it could easily be very different and I agree with GWH in that this is as interesting as any DC SF and hopefully some good tennis will be played.

Really, both these teams are good enough for the world group. A shame they are against each other in some ways but hopefully it'll make for an entertaining tie at least.

Berdych is so unpredictable you never know what to expect.:lol: :lol: :lol:

DrJules
09-14-2007, 10:32 PM
This tie will be held indoors on a fast surface and the teams are quite evenly matched and if a couple of players one each on both sides played in their 1st round ties, then they wouldn't be in the position of fighting for World Group status.

The Swiss will have Federer, Wawrinka, Allegro and it could be anyone for the 4th position as they will be head cheerleader or getting the drinks.

The Czechs will have Berdych, Stepanek, Dlouhy and Damm in their team more than likely.

This tie is actually more interesting that the WG semi finals in a lot of ways and the doubles will be key.

Berdych vs Wawrinka
Stepanek vs Federer

If it goes to a live 5th match I think Wawrinka will win it as Stepanek has crumbled in this format a few times before.

If Berdych had not lost to Roddick on a clay court the result may have been different as well.

Adler
09-14-2007, 10:36 PM
If Federer is on, Switzerland may win even doubles

3-2 Switzerland, I see a doubles win or Wawrinka's

musefanatic
09-15-2007, 12:09 AM
It has to be the swiss, no two ways about it :)

Marek.
09-15-2007, 01:25 AM
I'd like to see a five setter between Stan and Berdman.

GlennMirnyi
09-15-2007, 02:03 AM
Unbalievable you can dare to call other people fanboys when you come out with stuff like this.

Wawrinka is a very good player and no Berdych and Stepanek are not good enough to be assured victory against any very good player.

I am not clowning around saying Wawa is favourite or whatever but your comment is laughable and more fanboyish than most of the comments you pick on.

I will pick SUI 3-2 CZE but it could easily be very different and I agree with GWH in that this is as interesting as any DC SF and hopefully some good tennis will be played.

Really, both these teams are good enough for the world group. A shame they are against each other in some ways but hopefully it'll make for an entertaining tie at least.

Laughable? :rolleyes:

Stepanek got to the top 10 and if you watched any of his matches in the American hardcourt season, you can see he's playing like a top 10 again. Wawrinka crumbled against freaking Chela, a clown of the highest order. Don't tell me Stepanek isn't the favorite.

Berdych may even lose, but he's 10000 times a better player.

Berdych is so unpredictable you never know what to expect.:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's the point, but's he's still a favorite. Adding, he never lost a five setter.

TMJordan
09-15-2007, 04:00 AM
Laughable? :rolleyes:

Stepanek got to the top 10 and if you watched any of his matches in the American hardcourt season, you can see he's playing like a top 10 again. Wawrinka crumbled against freaking Chela, a clown of the highest order. Don't tell me Stepanek isn't the favorite.

Berdych may even lose, but he's 10000 times a better player.



That's the point, but's he's still a favorite. Adding, he never lost a five setter.

:worship:

Action Jackson
09-15-2007, 09:30 AM
If Berdych had not lost to Roddick on a clay court the result may have been different as well.

Berdych at least turns up and plays regularly.

Action Jackson
09-15-2007, 09:36 AM
Laughable? :rolleyes:

Stepanek got to the top 10 and if you watched any of his matches in the American hardcourt season, you can see he's playing like a top 10 again. Wawrinka crumbled against freaking Chela, a clown of the highest order. Don't tell me Stepanek isn't the favorite.

Berdych may even lose, but he's 10000 times a better player.



That's the point, but's he's still a favorite. Adding, he never lost a five setter.

Problem with that is that Stepanek has crumbled a few times in vital matches when he has played for the Czechs. Hence the statement doesn't make sense as we know DC is a different arena, some players lift and others falter.

I mean I doubt he'd have lost to Roddick or Blake at home on clay, but below doesn't look good.


ESP d. CZE 3-2 in CZE World Group - 1st Round
Brno Exhibition Center, Hall B, Brno, CZE Carpet (I)

R2 - L Tommy ROBREDO ESP 5-7 6-3 6-7(4) 6-7(7)
R5 - L Rafael NADAL ESP 6-7(2) 6-7(4) 3-6

2003 RUS d. CZE 3-2 in CZE World Group - 1st Round
Palac Kultury A Sportu Vitkovice, Ostrava, CZE Clay (I)

R2 - L Mikhail YOUZHNY RUS 6-3 6-7(8) 7-6(6) 2-6 3-6
R5 - L Nikolay DAVYDENKO RUS 6-1 6-7(4) 2-6 6-3 0-6

stebs
09-16-2007, 04:08 PM
Laughable? :rolleyes:

Stepanek got to the top 10 and if you watched any of his matches in the American hardcourt season, you can see he's playing like a top 10 again. Wawrinka crumbled against freaking Chela, a clown of the highest order. Don't tell me Stepanek isn't the favorite.

Berdych may even lose, but he's 10000 times a better player.



That's the point, but's he's still a favorite. Adding, he never lost a five setter.

:lol:

Look at you backtracking because you said something ridiculous and got called on it.

You're a bandwagon fool if you think Wawrinka losing to Chela means he's going to lose to both Berdych and Stepanek FOR DEFINATE. That's one match, it doesn't mean anything in the context of this tie.

As for saying that both are favourites I actually said that in my post so don't try and lie about what I wrote when it's there for all to see.

Berdych and Stepanek are both favourites but WaWa has chances to win either match and no Stepanek performing well for a stretch of time doesn't assure him a victory because that's in the past now and once you've performed well you look to the future rather than basking in success and assuming it assures you the same success in the future and if Stepanek had your attitude he certainly wouldn't win but fortunately I think he is far less arrogant.

You went directly against your previous statement by saying Berdych may lose and whether he is a better player is irrelevant and I don't recall saying anything on the subject so why are you trying to imply I said something about it.

;) It's okay though, you basically admitted you were wrong by saying Berdych may lose so Ill leave it from now.

jonny84
09-16-2007, 04:17 PM
It's a really good tie, with four exceptional players (Berdych, Stepanek, Federer and Warwinka if they all play).

Should be good!

I think it could go down to the doubles, with Switzerland taking the doubles.

Jimnik
09-16-2007, 04:55 PM
Both teams are strong and should be in the WG next year but in a way it's poetic justice. All the top players Federer, Wawrinka, Stepanek and Hajek didn't show up in February but now everyone is back because they're scared of going down.

Having said that, Berdych doesn't deserve this whereas Federer has been disloyal and a little arrogant. I think he trully believes he can single-handedly keep Switzerland up by just turning up to half of the ties. So it would serve him right if they did go down and I know it wouldn't bother Stepanek if the Czechs went down so there's no satisfaction there.

GlennMirnyi
09-16-2007, 05:59 PM
:lol:

Look at you backtracking because you said something ridiculous and got called on it.

You're a bandwagon fool if you think Wawrinka losing to Chela means he's going to lose to both Berdych and Stepanek FOR DEFINATE. That's one match, it doesn't mean anything in the context of this tie.

As for saying that both are favourites I actually said that in my post so don't try and lie about what I wrote when it's there for all to see.

Berdych and Stepanek are both favourites but WaWa has chances to win either match and no Stepanek performing well for a stretch of time doesn't assure him a victory because that's in the past now and once you've performed well you look to the future rather than basking in success and assuming it assures you the same success in the future and if Stepanek had your attitude he certainly wouldn't win but fortunately I think he is far less arrogant.

You went directly against your previous statement by saying Berdych may lose and whether he is a better player is irrelevant and I don't recall saying anything on the subject so why are you trying to imply I said something about it.

;) It's okay though, you basically admitted you were wrong by saying Berdych may lose so Ill leave it from now.

I'm not a bandwagon fool. I just don't overestimate Wawrinka. Is he a decent player? Yeah. Again, losing to Chela, one of the most superb clowns ever to grace a GS court, in 5, on a fast surface, shows how big he is. It's just an example. I could give you others. Does this match define if he's losing or winning? Of course not, I'm just "down to earth-ing" your statement about Wawrinka.

Berdych is a top class player and if he doesn't choke (what might happen to anyone - and has happened to him at least once) he's the heavy favorite. That's what I mean. May he lose? Of course. Anyone can lose any match. I'm just analysing the matches considering their games, not if they feel pressure or not from their flags.

So you tell me form doesn't exist? Stepanek probably made the best match of the US Open against Djokovic and, barring injury, would probably go much further into the draw.

Next time you call any match I'm gonna put you under this same logic. I can't make any call because suddenly I'm assuming something that might not happen? Of course I am. If not, I could just wait and post after the results. ;)

Eden
09-16-2007, 06:06 PM
Both teams are strong and should be in the WG next year but in a way it's poetic justice. All the top players Federer, Wawrinka, Stepanek and Hajek didn't show up in February but now everyone is back because they're scared of going down.

Wawrinka wanted to play against Spain, but he got injured.

Action Jackson
09-16-2007, 06:21 PM
Both teams are strong and should be in the WG next year but in a way it's poetic justice. All the top players Federer, Wawrinka, Stepanek and Hajek didn't show up in February but now everyone is back because they're scared of going down.

Hajek couldn't play cause of his illness and Wawrinka couldn't play cause he got injured training on the carpet court.

stebs
09-16-2007, 06:29 PM
I'm not a bandwagon fool. I just don't overestimate Wawrinka. Is he a decent player? Yeah. Again, losing to Chela, one of the most superb clowns ever to grace a GS court, in 5, on a fast surface, shows how big he is. It's just an example. I could give you others. Does this match define if he's losing or winning? Of course not, I'm just "down to earth-ing" your statement about Wawrinka.
What statement is this? Oh, and however many defeats you pull up it won't make a difference, I have already told you that's not what it's about and if tennis was decided by prior defeats then everyone would be copying Vinny Spadea's 21 loss streak.

Berdych is a top class player and if he doesn't choke (what might happen to anyone - and has happened to him at least once) he's the heavy favorite. That's what I mean. May he lose? Of course. Anyone can lose any match. I'm just analysing the matches considering their games, not if they feel pressure or not from their flags.
Yes, he's favourite. No he's not definately going to win. I already said this and yes it's backtracking as you said both Berdych and Steppa were certainties to get the W and now you are accepting it's not true.

So you tell me form doesn't exist? Stepanek probably made the best match of the US Open against Djokovic and, barring injury, would probably go much further into the draw.
*yawn* Continue putting words into my mouth if you wish to but it's a waste of time because anyone with half a brain can see I said nothing of the sort. Stepanek is in great from but more sensible posters than you have bought up in this thread reasons why he might lose and being favourite to win a match does not equate to winning a match.

Next time you call any match I'm gonna put you under this same logic. I can't make any call because suddenly I'm assuming something that might not happen? Of course I am. If not, I could just wait and post after the results. ;)
I will never post such an aggressive (I know, it's little league compared to your daily flaming wars) response to someone who predicts the outcome of a match as that which I posted to you. It is about assumptions and you assumed that Berdych and Stepanek were locks in the way Federer would be a lock against Falla on grass. It's not the case and I'm glad you accept that now.

You can't use the same approach I used on me because I will never make these kind of assumptions.

GlennMirnyi
09-16-2007, 07:29 PM
What statement is this? Oh, and however many defeats you pull up it won't make a difference, I have already told you that's not what it's about and if tennis was decided by prior defeats then everyone would be copying Vinny Spadea's 21 loss streak.


Yes, he's favourite. No he's not definately going to win. I already said this and yes it's backtracking as you said both Berdych and Steppa were certainties to get the W and now you are accepting it's not true.


*yawn* Continue putting words into my mouth if you wish to but it's a waste of time because anyone with half a brain can see I said nothing of the sort. Stepanek is in great from but more sensible posters than you have bought up in this thread reasons why he might lose and being favourite to win a match does not equate to winning a match.


I will never post such an aggressive (I know, it's little league compared to your daily flaming wars) response to someone who predicts the outcome of a match as that which I posted to you. It is about assumptions and you assumed that Berdych and Stepanek were locks in the way Federer would be a lock against Falla on grass. It's not the case and I'm glad you accept that now.

You can't use the same approach I used on me because I will never make these kind of assumptions.

Of course it makes a difference. Next thing Wawrinka is the best thing since sliced bread.

I called his wins. Doesn't mean they're gonna win. If I knew who would win every match I'd be rich by now, definitely. It's my opinion on the subject, backed by arguments, whether you agree with them or not.

You said former play doesn't mean nothing for future matches. Of course it does, and it's called form. Stepanek is in great form right now and I don't see him losing, even if it's DC.

Sensible? So picking some random losses from 3-4 years ago (when Stepanek was a pretty different player) means what? By your logic Ancic shouldn't win any other match on DC action.

Well, you don't wanna take risks and make assumptions, it's your issue, it's okay. Just don't call me fanboy because I called Stepanek's and Berdych's wins.

stebs
09-16-2007, 08:08 PM
Of course it makes a difference. Next thing Wawrinka is the best thing since sliced bread.

I called his wins. Doesn't mean they're gonna win. If I knew who would win every match I'd be rich by now, definitely. It's my opinion on the subject, backed by arguments, whether you agree with them or not.

You said former play doesn't mean nothing for future matches. Of course it does, and it's called form. Stepanek is in great form right now and I don't see him losing, even if it's DC.

Sensible? So picking some random losses from 3-4 years ago (when Stepanek was a pretty different player) means what? By your logic Ancic shouldn't win any other match on DC action.

Well, you don't wanna take risks and make assumptions, it's your issue, it's okay. Just don't call me fanboy because I called Stepanek's and Berdych's wins.

You didn't call anything. You stated that they were going to win for sure. If you'd made a prediction I wouldn't have said a word.

I have already said form is important but bringing up one loss means as much as mediters flawless analysis.

This discussion is over for me now. You made a silly comment and I called you on it so in came the usual troll rubbish:

Putting words in my mouth (Form is meaningless)
Manipulating what I write (Ancic won't win another DC match)
Making wild assumptions (Wawrinka is amazing)

I said none of these things or anything that even resembles them but obviously for you it's all about trying to make whoever you debate with look foolish and it's different for me. That's why I disagree with probably 50% of what you seriously write and yet I rarely pick on it. Debates with you are meaningless because it is all about attack and defence. You'd rather argue than discuss.

Goodnight.

GlennMirnyi
09-16-2007, 08:15 PM
You didn't call anything. You stated that they were going to win for sure. If you'd made a prediction I wouldn't have said a word.

I have already said form is important but bringing up one loss means as much as mediters flawless analysis.

This discussion is over for me now. You made a silly comment and I called you on it so in came the usual troll rubbish:

Putting words in my mouth (Form is meaningless)
Manipulating what I write (Ancic won't win another DC match)
Making wild assumptions (Wawrinka is amazing)

I said none of these things or anything that even resembles them but obviously for you it's all about trying to make whoever you debate with look foolish and it's different for me. That's why I disagree with probably 50% of what you seriously write and yet I rarely pick on it. Debates with you are meaningless because it is all about attack and defence. You'd rather argue than discuss.

Goodnight.

I never attacked you, but it's okay. The lack of nice smilies makes it look like that. ;)

I wasn't arguing anytime either.

jcempire
09-16-2007, 09:28 PM
I think Swiss will go at least 3-2! I'm hoping for two Federer single wins, and I am also optimistic about a doubles win by Suisse, Dlouhy and Damm not withstanding!! HOPPPPPPPPPPP

They got to win double

Fedex
09-16-2007, 09:37 PM
The crowd is the clear winner here.

Johnny Groove
09-16-2007, 09:57 PM
If Berdych had not lost to Roddick on a clay court the result may have been different as well.

In CZE no less :rolls:

I think Federer is a guaranteed 2 wins, so the Czechs will have to put on a good showing in the doubles, as well as pull out the other singles rubbers. Dlouhy/Visner should be the doubles team, theyve done well this year as a partnering.

Also, does anyone see Federer losing on this fast indoor court? Stepanek might give him some problems, and a quick indoor court would be his best bet

GlennMirnyi
09-17-2007, 01:41 AM
In CZE no less :rolls:

I think Federer is a guaranteed 2 wins, so the Czechs will have to put on a good showing in the doubles, as well as pull out the other singles rubbers. Dlouhy/Visner should be the doubles team, theyve done well this year as a partnering.

Also, does anyone see Federer losing on this fast indoor court? Stepanek might give him some problems, and a quick indoor court would be his best bet

Vizner wasn't called.

Action Jackson
09-19-2007, 08:54 AM
No complaints about the court yet.

Lunaris
09-19-2007, 05:29 PM
The court is faster with lower bounces, Stepanek said it was exactly how he had wanted it. Fed did some interviews for czech media and didn't complain about anything, only said he liked Prague. That it feels like in Rome.

rocketassist
09-19-2007, 05:37 PM
The Swiss will probably shade it. Berdych still cannot be totally trusted and having lost to Roddick on home clay over best of five, it's no improbability that he loses to Wawrinka on a fast court.

Julio1974
09-19-2007, 06:02 PM
Swiss will win 3-2 or even 4-1. I wouldn't be surprised if Berdych lost against Wawrinka.

Jimnik
09-20-2007, 03:07 AM
The court is faster with lower bounces, Stepanek said it was exactly how he had wanted it. Fed did some interviews for czech media and didn't complain about anything, only said he liked Prague. That it feels like in Rome.
It's a shame that Prague has no International Series event. I bet it could attract a strong field.

But if Czech tennis stays strong and the economy keeps booming they'll surely get one in the near future.

Kolya
09-20-2007, 10:37 AM
Czech 3-2 :D

Action Jackson
09-20-2007, 01:34 PM
Friday
Radek Stepanek (CZE) v Roger Federer (SUI)
Tomas Berdych (CZE) v Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)

Saturday
Martin Damm/Lukas Dlouhy (CZE) v Yves Allegro/Roger Federer (SUI)

Sunday
Tomas Berdych (CZE) v Roger Federer (SUI)
Radek Stepanek (CZE) v Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)

bokehlicious
09-20-2007, 01:51 PM
Go Stan and don't screw up the needed point :o

TNX1.0E6TOPCA
09-20-2007, 04:32 PM
my guessing ... Cziss - Swech 3-2 :cool:

ClaudiuS
09-20-2007, 04:35 PM
4-1 for Switzerland
Federer will do the job, and Wawrinka will pull up one point. :yeah: