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tennis magazine revists the GOAT DEBATE WITH TABLE

tennis2tennis
09-11-2007, 07:49 AM
http://tennisworld.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/10/eff99.jpg

megadeth
09-11-2007, 08:01 AM
wow! rafa hasn't lost in a SF! with no 1st rnd loss!

ljubo on the other hand is dismal in 1st rnd along with moya...

BlueSwan
09-11-2007, 08:08 AM
If Ljubo spends another 5-6 years on tour he might break Carlsen's incredible record of most 1st round losses at Grand Slams.

El Legenda
09-11-2007, 08:19 AM
^ he wont, his had 1 1st round lose in last 9GS'

and 11 of those 15 came between 2000-2004....
he is 17-8 in last 8 GS..2.125

jazar
09-11-2007, 08:25 AM
so borg never lost first round at a slam. impressive

megadeth
09-11-2007, 08:35 AM
this reminds me how unlucky henman was. never reached a slam final :(

Apemant
09-11-2007, 09:00 AM
Also, look at Nalbandian's average. Really sad that he couldn't win a slam or two...

leng jai
09-11-2007, 09:01 AM
Ljuba Trube 4 lyfe!

Apemant
09-11-2007, 09:04 AM
Ljubo and PHM are by far the worst GS performers... (and Monaco, but he doesn't have many GS appearances in the first place)

Beat
09-11-2007, 09:09 AM
borg only played 27 slams – and won 11 of those :eek:

rwn
09-11-2007, 10:49 AM
borg only played 27 slams – and won 11 of those :eek:

It's amazing, but he retired early.

CyBorg
09-11-2007, 12:28 PM
Borg's stats seem partially inaccurate, probably going by the ATPTennis numbers. Borg actually did lose in the first round once - his very first major, the 1972 US Open (to Roy Emerson). Borg was 16.

jonas
09-11-2007, 09:11 PM
Wrong! Borg didn't participate in US Open 1972. And Roy Emerson lost first round against Cliff Drysdale: http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/vault/draws.asp?TournamentID=560&TournamentYear=1972

3strokes
09-11-2007, 09:34 PM
One can use statistics to say anything they want.
Take these two examples

A company with 10 employees
The boss makes 10,000,000 per year
Each of the other nine makes 1,000

The average income per employee is thus
((10,000,000 + (1,000 x 9))/10 = 1,000,900

I don't think any of the nine employees feels like he/she is making a little more than a million per year...............

=============================================

In country ABC of 10,000,000 people,
there were two unemployed people in 2004.
In 2005, there were three unemployed people.
Thus National unemployment rose by 50%
Was that good or bad?

============================================

My memory might betray me but didn't Chang win his
first ever Slam, the French? If he did and stopped
playing he'd have been the best player in the World.
His result in that table would have been 100%

jonas
09-11-2007, 10:01 PM
:retard:

Magus13
09-11-2007, 11:03 PM
Borg is my second favorite palyer, but he did some crazy shit during his career. One Year he skipped the French to play World Team Tennis, another year he boycotted it because he had to qualify due to not haveing played enough matches to enter the main draw. If only Borg could have played another 4 years, won an AO or US Open he could have been the Goat hands down.

R.Federer
09-11-2007, 11:58 PM
Borg's statistics are extra terrestrial :yeah:
It's hard to say whether they would be better or worse if he had played longer and/or played in Australia a bit more. He retired when he did, maybe because he was burning out from playing so much at such a high level and winning so much. It must have been psychically taxing if not physically.

Borg's stats seem partially inaccurate, probably going by the ATPTennis numbers. Borg actually did lose in the first round once - his very first major, the 1972 US Open (to Roy Emerson). Borg was 16.

His first USO was 1973 and he lost to someone else not Emerson

megadeth
09-12-2007, 12:51 AM
one can make the case that holding off the burn out phase is part of greatness... obviously borg failed at that... so IMO, as great as his records are, he can't be GOAT...

CyBorg
09-12-2007, 03:14 AM
Wrong! Borg didn't participate in US Open 1972. And Roy Emerson lost first round against Cliff Drysdale: http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/vault/draws.asp?TournamentID=560&TournamentYear=1972

Very strange. This is what I was going by - http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/activity.asp?player=10002258. I've never actually seen the match.

U.S. Open USA
SL 30 Aug 1972 to 10 Sep 1972 Entry : DA Grass (I)
256 L Roy EMERSON (AUS) 5-7 7-6 4-6 4-6

Does anyone have a third source to confirm?

Edit: You have to adjust the dates in the link to see the record. Again, the ATP website does not provide Borg's matches pre-1972. The US Open draws link contradicts the ITF profile, but the ATP has been wrong before. Not that it matters to me very much whether Borg played that match, but I assumed that he did based on ITF's numbers.

Second Edit: See below.

Magus13
09-12-2007, 03:19 AM
one can make the case that holding off the burn out phase is part of greatness... obviously borg failed at that... so IMO, as great as his records are, he can't be GOAT...

I agree.

CyBorg
09-12-2007, 03:20 AM
Ah, bah. I'm stupid.

He lost to Emerson in qualifying. It's obvious by the number 256 where the draw should be. Clearly both needed to qualify to play in the tournament.

Interesting stuff. This means that Borg never did lose in round one of a grand slam tournament.

CyBorg
09-13-2007, 05:36 AM
Many player profiles on Wikipedia have been updated, including that of Bjorn Borg:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rn_Borg

As you may note, they've added two tournaments to his official tally (Salisbury and Montreal WCT) and have provided more details about his invitationals.

SixPack
09-13-2007, 05:38 AM
IMO, Nadal will win more Grand Slam titles than Federer when it's all said and done. Nadal is still young, I'm 23 and he's younger than me.

Skyward
09-13-2007, 05:47 AM
IMO, Nadal will win more Grand Slam titles than Federer when it's all said and done. Nadal is still young, I'm 2.3 and he's younger than me.

2.3 < 21

megadeth
09-13-2007, 05:52 AM
IMO, Nadal will win more Grand Slam titles than Federer when it's all said and done. Nadal is still young, I'm 23 and he's younger than me.

if you said this last year, i might agree with you. but with the emeregence of players that can outpower nadal, djoko, etc.... plus his physical condition being affected during fall and spring. i would really doubt he can even get to 10 slams...