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djoko and rafa in the next few years...

megadeth
09-10-2007, 04:21 AM
after fed retires, do you see either of these two also hitting sampras' slam mark someday?

would they dominate and rack up the titles between themselves?

what do you think of this what-if? because honestly, i don't see anyone else beating rafa and djoko with much conviction in the current pool of their generation

World Beater
09-10-2007, 04:23 AM
unlikely that they will be in the sampras range. That would require a relatively injury-free career.

I could see rafa winning 8 slams and joker winning 6 maybe. We shall see, they are still young and would have to deal with oncoming generations of players with a talent pool that is growing with every passing era.

MatchFederer
09-10-2007, 04:25 AM
No. Perhaps upwards of 8 slams for each and no more is my prediction and it could be a lot less. Federer will make life difficult for them over the next 3 years, by which point the 'fresh balls' will start making their mark and giving Nole and Rafa a hard time. Also, I think another player from the current younger generation will make their mark next year.

MatchFederer
09-10-2007, 04:25 AM
unlikely that they will be in the sampras range. That would require a relatively injury-free career.

I could see rafa winning 8 slams and joker winning 6 maybe. We shall see, they are still young and would have to deal with oncoming generations of players with a talent pool that is growing with every passing era.

Heh.


I agree.

The_Nadal_effect
09-10-2007, 04:59 AM
No. Perhaps upwards of 8 slams for each and no more is my prediction and it could be a lot less. Federer will make life difficult for them over the next 3 years, by which point the 'fresh balls' will start making their mark and giving Nole and Rafa a hard time. Also, I think another player from the current younger generation will make their mark next year.


Del Potro ;)

Allure
09-10-2007, 05:00 AM
No because they're not as good as Fed to dominate. There are too many players at the same level as them so I think each youngster will have their shares of slams.

VolandriFan
09-10-2007, 06:58 AM
Del Potro ;)

:hearts:

Byrd
09-10-2007, 07:31 AM
Murray and Del Potro should be in the mix soon, gulbis in a few years.

FedFan_2007
09-10-2007, 07:31 AM
The fact that Fed continues to rack up the slams in spite of the "fresh balls" is proof of his superiority with the current exception of Nadal at the FO. That will be rectified in 2008. Mark my words, Federer wins Roland Garros in 2008!

FedFan_2007
09-10-2007, 07:32 AM
Del Potro = 12 slam winner

Kuhne
09-10-2007, 07:41 AM
I like Rafa more than Djokovic, I like Rafa's style and in my opinion he is more talented than Djokovic but to be honest, i see Djokovic's future brighter in the future once Roger retires. Rafa is what, 21? and already has chronic knee pain and what not, he has already skiped slams because of injury and quit matches for the same reason. his performances post wimbledon also leave a lot to be desired (2 years in a row now) I frankly don't even see him wining Roland Garros next year, Not sure if Roger is going to win it but this sucks for me cos if Roger doesn't win it I want Rafa to win it, but I don't think Rafa will even make it to the final, as much as I want to, I get a feeling he is worn out from simply too much strain to his body, also, mentaly the guy can only take so much, he would have 3 roland garros, 2 wimbledons (maybe) and be #1 in the world by a mile if it wasn't for federer, if he was playing in another era, he would probably have an easier time but I think he is just geting worn out. Djokovic on the other hand is on the rise, he still gets injured (fakes 90% of the time) but I see him doing good in hardcourt. he seems to have the perfect kind of game for hardcourt, he is very well rounded, doesn't have any real weaknesses but in wimbledon I don't see him going that far and even less in clay.

megadeth
09-10-2007, 07:53 AM
I like Rafa more than Djokovic, I like Rafa's style and in my opinion he is more talented than Djokovic but to be honest, i see Djokovic's future brighter in the future once Roger retires. Rafa is what, 21? and already has chronic knee pain and what not, he has already skiped slams because of injury and quit matches for the same reason. his performances post wimbledon also leave a lot to be desired (2 years in a row now) I frankly don't even see him wining Roland Garros next year, Not sure if Roger is going to win it but this sucks for me cos if Roger doesn't win it I want Rafa to win it, but I don't think Rafa will even make it to the final, as much as I want to, I get a feeling he is worn out from simply too much strain to his body, also, mentaly the guy can only take so much, he would have 3 roland garros, 2 wimbledons (maybe) and be #1 in the world by a mile if it wasn't for federer, if he was playing in another era, he would probably have an easier time but I think he is just geting worn out. Djokovic on the other hand is on the rise, he still gets injured (fakes 90% of the time) but I see him doing good in hardcourt. he seems to have the perfect kind of game for hardcourt, he is very well rounded, doesn't have any real weaknesses but in wimbledon I don't see him going that far and even less in clay.

since when did rafa skip a slam?:rolleyes:

everyone thought this way when rafa went down at this point last year, but then resurfaced come indian wells this year...

Cat123
09-10-2007, 09:13 AM
I Rafa and Djoko are the best of the rest, no doubt. I'm looking forward to a bit of a rivalry developing when Roger retires. Which I think he'll start to contemplate when he's won Roland Garros a few times. I agree that I think Djokovic has a brighter future than Nadal, purely because of the injury thing, it's a shame. Rafa just doesn't play well on hard courts, but once he's conquered Wimbledon, I'm sure he'll improve!

Forehander
09-10-2007, 09:14 AM
Dunno. But Rafael is only playing only say what 60% of what he's truly capable of playing. He's too defensive and not aggressive enough while it's obvious he can (wimbledon). But hey, Federer plans to play till he's 35 or something lol if he is able to keep it up up to that age ahaha then dunno what's going to happen :P

Johnny Groove
09-10-2007, 09:18 AM
I think Nadal and Djokovic and win 14 slams in total :shrug: (ie. 8 and 6) but i cant see them each pulling in upwards of 10

joule1309
09-10-2007, 09:23 AM
I think Djokovic will win more titles than Rafa, he's a better player on all surfaces (except clay, of course). Nadal can win 5 or 6 French Open titles, if he's injury free. But the way he's playing now, I don't see him winning any other GS.

Kuhne
09-10-2007, 10:56 AM
since when did rafa skip a slam?:rolleyes:

everyone thought this way when rafa went down at this point last year, but then resurfaced come indian wells this year...


Australian Open 2006.

Rafa will never be that great the whole year because he either skips or completly sucks at the australien open because he is still a little bit exhausted from the end of the season the year before but then he regroups and does good in the hardcourt/clay season and peaks out in wimbledon, I like Rafa but I have to admit him making the wimbledon finals both years had a bit of luck atached, he either got cakewalk draws or his good opponents were hurt/retired. as much as I like him making a wimby final again, I don't think it's gona be something common. after that he just can't deal with the hardcourt anymore. he looked like a broken man at this years US Open and he is only 21. I franky never see rafa wining the Tennis Master's tourney in december..

thesupreme
09-10-2007, 10:57 AM
Heh.


I agree.

No. Perhaps upwards of 8 slams for each and no more is my prediction and it could be a lot less. Federer will make life difficult for them over the next 3 years, by which point the 'fresh balls' will start making their mark and giving Nole and Rafa a hard time. Also, I think another player from the current younger generation will make their mark next year.

spot on

megadeth
09-10-2007, 11:15 AM
Australian Open 2006.

Rafa will never be that great the whole year because he either skips or completly sucks at the australien open because he is still a little bit exhausted from the end of the season the year before but then he regroups and does good in the hardcourt/clay season and peaks out in wimbledon, I like Rafa but I have to admit him making the wimbledon finals both years had a bit of luck atached, he either got cakewalk draws or his good opponents were hurt/retired. as much as I like him making a wimby final again, I don't think it's gona be something common. after that he just can't deal with the hardcourt anymore. he looked like a broken man at this years US Open and he is only 21. I franky never see rafa wining the Tennis Master's tourney in december..

oh yea, you're right! rafa did skip AO'06. i completely forgot that! :p

Fed=ATPTourkilla
09-10-2007, 11:16 AM
Remember the way Rafa played at Wimbledon this year. He does have the potential to win on hardcourts - it's just a confidence/ injury problem. He should never have played Stuttgart and should withdraw from the clay tournaments he is playing next year - copy Roger's schedule instead. If he is going to become world #1, he needs to become the best player in the world rather than whoring himself out for cheap clay points and risking injury through overplaying.

NevaNadal
09-10-2007, 12:15 PM
He should never have played Stuttgart and should withdraw from the clay tournaments he is playing next year - copy Roger's schedule instead. If he is going to become world #1, he needs to become the best player in the world rather than whoring himself out for cheap clay points and risking injury through overplaying.

If only Team Nadal would listen to this strategy.

I also agree that if Rafa is in this type of condition next Spring, NO WAY he wins RG.

He may not even make it into the semis.

Djokovic will have an easier time winning titles. As long as he's injury free.

Ruski
09-10-2007, 02:55 PM
These two guys will produce one of the greatest rivlaries in history!

natasha_nana
09-10-2007, 02:59 PM
No because they're not as good as Fed to dominate. There are too many players at the same level as them so I think each youngster will have their shares of slams.

yeah exactly.

Nadal will certainly have many body issues (that grow increasingly pressing) to deal with over the years as well...I wouldnt be at all surprised if he throws in the towel at the same time as Fed, if not before.

As for Nole...I still need him to win slam number 1 before we talk about can he win 14 :rolleyes:

MatchFederer
09-10-2007, 03:06 PM
Del Potro = 12 slam winner

That is a BOLD claim, though he can look very impressive. This era is too strong for Del Potro to become that. Maybe some insane mercurial talent becomes the next special tennis player.. like Boluda or Tomic in 6 or so years time. Who knows... gonna be fun to see.

Sunset of Age
09-10-2007, 03:07 PM
since when did rafa skip a slam?:rolleyes:


Australian Open, 2006.

Sleepwalker64
09-10-2007, 03:33 PM
Rafa in IW and Miami, and Rafa in Toronto and USO...different players.
He is capable to win on hard courts, for sure...
I'm only not sure about his injuries....

TheBoiledEgg
09-10-2007, 03:35 PM
both Rafa and Djoke got another 2-3 yrs left to win any slams if they can before the next wave comes along

freeandlonely
09-10-2007, 04:51 PM
Oh...time goes by...:sad:

R.Federer
09-10-2007, 05:15 PM
It is possible, just impossible to predict right now. Connors / Borg/McEnroe were going to challenge Laver's goatness and be goat for ever. Then came Sampras and he was going to hold the record for ever. Now it appears Federer will break the record and people will say he'll hold it for ever. But someone else can just as well come along and do better.

So many commentators predicted Roddick to haul in the usual "6-8 slams". He is now playing in the hope he can win just one more. Just shows-- someone can easily come along and challenge the Nadals/djokovics and change tennis course.

Exodus
09-10-2007, 05:20 PM
nadal is about to burn out so he won't be an factor next year. djokovic, berdych, gasquet and murray are the ones to win slams after king federer

Forehander
09-10-2007, 05:24 PM
lets face it. When federer played in 2004 australian open he was already being compared to pete sampras and greatest of all time. Do you see such effects from Djokovic and Nadal? No. Roger Federer is simply unique.

rofe
09-10-2007, 05:50 PM
lets face it. When federer played in 2004 australian open he was already being compared to pete sampras and greatest of all time. Do you see such effects from Djokovic and Nadal? No. Roger Federer is simply unique.

The difference is that Fed now sees the finish line. It was all probably amusing to him to be compared with Sampras in 2004.

richie21
09-10-2007, 11:14 PM
nadal is about to burn out so he won't be an factor next year. djokovic, berdych, gasquet and murray are the ones to win slams after king federer


Berdych will never win a GS,mark my words.....

Alex999
09-10-2007, 11:28 PM
I can only hope that Rafa will get well and play 100%. I think Djokovic will dominate this game in next few years. When he wins his first slam (posibly AO 08), very few players will be able to stop him.

Kalliopeia
09-10-2007, 11:57 PM
after fed retires, do you see either of these two also hitting sampras' slam mark someday?

would they dominate and rack up the titles between themselves?

what do you think of this what-if? because honestly, i don't see anyone else beating rafa and djoko with much conviction in the current pool of their generation

Nope. Look, what Sampras did and what Federer is doing isn't normal. It doesn't usually happen like this. Rafa has spoiled his fans with his clay court dominance and Fed has spoiled his with his dominance everywhere else. I don't expect to see that again anytime soon.