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Will Djokavic become another Roddick to Fed?

General Suburbia
09-10-2007, 12:30 AM
A lot of similarities I'm seeing here. Roddick gets one win from Fed after 3 or 4 tries, as Djokavic (in a deciding tiebreak, no less), and then goes on to win the next bajillion matches. Both are arrogant and want nothing more than to be the best, i.e. beat Federer but just can't quite pull it off. The final today reminded me of the 2004 Wimbledon final; a close match that Federer was able to pull through without a scratch.

Of course, you can say a whole lot about Djokavic that you can't say about Roddick: Novak is more talented, he's younger and therefore will peak long after Fed starts declining, he's a cheater and will find a way to sneak in a win, etc. But I'm still intrigued as to how nole's career will turn out.

adee-gee
09-10-2007, 12:31 AM
Nole showed tonight he has the game to trouble Federer, he was the better player for much of the match.

Roddick's game is a far better match-up for Federer.

nkhera1
09-10-2007, 12:33 AM
A lot of similarities I'm seeing here. Roddick gets one win from Fed after 3 or 4 tries, as Djokavic (in a deciding tiebreak, no less), and then goes on to win the next bajillion matches. Both are arrogant and want nothing more than to be the best, i.e. beat Federer but just can't quite pull it off. The final today reminded me of the 2004 Wimbledon final; a close match that Federer was able to pull through without a scratch.

Of course, you can say a whole lot about Djokavic that you can't say about Roddick: Novak is more talented, he's younger and therefore will peak long after Fed starts declining, etc. But I'm still intrigued as to how nole's career will turn out.

Novak will beat Federer much more consistently than Roddick can. Even today, he really troubled Federer. Its safe to say Roddick won't be beating Federer anytime soon, but Novak can already beat Federer and is only going to get better. Plus Roddick and Djokovic have such different games. Roddick's strengths are easily neutralized by Federer, but Djokovic can hang with Federer.

DDrago2
09-10-2007, 12:33 AM
Federer is a bad match-up for Djokovic. Fed played a bad match and still didn't drop a set, although it is true Djokovic wasn't his best neither

Tennis Fool
09-10-2007, 12:34 AM
No, Novak has a multi-dimensional game and if it wasn't for nerves, would have been 1 or 2 sets up. This match reminds me of when Novak lost the first Masters earlier this year to Nadal, then came back and won the next final. I think the same will happen if/when he gets to another final, more experience.

Some No. 1s win their first finals, some others don't.

ezekiel
09-10-2007, 12:34 AM
dream on, Nole played passive and full of mistakes, someone breaking a new ground and getting overwhelmed . From now on, Nole will take care of it

dragons112
09-10-2007, 12:37 AM
He trobled roger because he did not dictate the way he normally does. His tactics were poor. Roger decides when he wants to win even on the clay he has every shot in the book at his disposal and it all comes down to what shots he chooses

DrJules
09-10-2007, 12:37 AM
Nole showed tonight he has the game to trouble Federer, he was the better player for much of the match.

Roddick's game is a far better match-up for Federer.

Actually agree.

At Wimbledon Nadal played better and Djokovic had the edge at US Open. However, mentally Federer appeared mentally much tougher tham either player which surprises me to say.

*Viva Chile*
09-10-2007, 12:37 AM
Definitely no.

vincayou
09-10-2007, 12:38 AM
dream on, Nole played passive and full of mistakes, someone breaking a new ground and getting overwhelmed . From now on, Nole will take care of it

And you'll tell us you knew it all along, a bit like before the final. :lol:

Cat123
09-10-2007, 12:38 AM
Nole's closer to Federer than Roddick could ever dream of being. Maybe closer than even Nadal. He'll get there sooner rather than later, that's for sure...

nkhera1
09-10-2007, 12:38 AM
He trobled roger because he did not dictate the way he normally does. His tactics were poor. Roger decides when he wants to win even on the clay he has every shot in the book at his disposal and it all comes down to what shots he chooses

That may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why would he not want to win the French?

freeandlonely
09-10-2007, 12:40 AM
No.

mediter
09-10-2007, 12:48 AM
Does the thread starter know about bio mechanics? if he had, he would have noticed that roddick's ball bashing tendency makes him too reliant on power alone.
Djokovic does far more with the racquet face and can generate the same pace in a more strategic way(like better angles to open up the court) with natural racquet speed and timing alone. Not to mention the backhand where Roddick is plain mediocre.

adee-gee
09-10-2007, 12:50 AM
Actually agree.

At Wimbledon Nadal played better and Djokovic had the edge at US Open. However, mentally Federer appeared mentally much tougher tham either player which surprises me to say.
Today I'd say it was experience more than mental toughness though.

scoobs
09-10-2007, 12:52 AM
I doubt it.

Federer is a bad match up for Roddick. Roddick is not a bad matchup for Federer.

With Federer and Djokovic, I feel they are both very tricky matchups for each other.

robinhood
09-10-2007, 12:54 AM
A very deceptive Roddick bashing thread

R.Federer
09-10-2007, 12:55 AM
Today I'd say it was experience more than mental toughness though.
That's right. Federer did not appear particularly mentally tough (he appeared nervous actually, as though he was playing his first slam final --ironically, in his actual first slam final he was fearless).

But djokovic was mentally weak on the big points, so Federer didn't need to worry. Funny, just yesterday someone posted about how mentally tough djokovic is. Just shows, in a big stage, everyone gets the jimmies. Everyone.

Mechlan
09-10-2007, 12:56 AM
No, Djokovic's inexperience hurt him today more than anything else. He doesn't strike me as the kind who will choke again in such spectacular fashion in the future. He has the game to beat the Federer of today.

General Suburbia
09-10-2007, 01:00 AM
Does the thread starter know about bio mechanics? if he had, he would have noticed that roddick's ball bashing tendency makes him too reliant on power alone.
No, sorry, I guess I don't. So after you teach me all there is to know about that, I'd appreciate it if you gave me some basic knowledge on quantum mechanics, relativity, and up-my-ass-ology and tell me how that all applies to the game of tennis. I can clearly see that Djokavic has more variety than Roddick does, thank you very much. Now tell me how he will overcome the hurdle that so many others have failed at.

Farenhajt
09-10-2007, 01:11 AM
Now tell me how he will overcome the hurdle that so many others have failed at.

Very simply: by being one thing the others aren't, i.e. - by being Novak Djokovic.

This year you're witnessing a making of a brand name, my friend. And if you think only Roger Federer has/had/will have the right to wear "THE" in front of his name, you're gravely mistaken :)

mediter
09-10-2007, 01:14 AM
I can clearly see that Djokavic has more variety than Roddick does, thank you very much. Now tell me how he will overcome the hurdle that so many others have failed at.

I was not talking about that, you twit. I was talking about the player's biomechanics. how else they produce their strokes ? is that not related to the game of tennis? :eek:

Ask yourself a basic question. Is Sampras a ball basher?(even when he serves at such frigtening pace) is federer a ball basher? Is djokovic a ball basher?

That itself will give you the answer why others like roddick fail against them.Excellent and superior biomechanics.

FedFan_2007
09-10-2007, 01:18 AM
Ball bashers are the types that don't know how to add topspin.

DDrago2
09-10-2007, 01:21 AM
Ball bashers are the types that don't know how to add topspin.

It's only second to being a moonballer

Adler
09-10-2007, 01:21 AM
Federer is a bad match-up for Djokovic
Federer is a bad match up for EVERYONE, just Nadal on clay can be quite calm when playing against him

celia
09-10-2007, 01:23 AM
I doubt it.

Federer is a bad match up for Roddick. Roddick is not a bad matchup for Federer.

With Federer and Djokovic, I feel they are both very tricky matchups for each other.

I agree. Roger came to this match very well prepared, having lost to this guy closely before. And he definitely had luck on his side, as all great champions do. But Nole will continue to challenge him in a way that Roddick can't -- although Andy ALSO did better in this recent match.

nadams123
09-10-2007, 01:27 AM
Don't root for any player but can assure you that Fed respects Djoko's game alot more. Today the young guy looked well young and overwhelmed on the big points. Give him time and he will do better. But Fed will still easily go down as one of the best ever, even if you talk about tennis hundreds of years from now.

Adler
09-10-2007, 01:28 AM
Djokovic is way more multi-dimesional than Roddick and you don't have to say he lost when he's a break down in the decisive set

General Suburbia
09-10-2007, 01:37 AM
I was not talking about that, you twit. I was talking about the player's biomechanics. how else they produce their strokes ? is that not related to the game of tennis? :eek:

Ask yourself a basic question. Is Sampras a ball basher?(even when he serves at such frigtening pace) is federer a ball basher? Is djokovic a ball basher?

That itself will give you the answer why others like roddick fail against them.Excellent and superior biomechanics.Variety, strokes, whatever. I mixed them up. I'll get over it, even tho Djokavic is superior in both areas imo.

I'm not saying it's not related to the game of tennis, sorry. I just don't like how some people have to flaunt their knowledge of the "science behind the game" like they were possessed to do so. If science was the answer to everything, everyone would be using a two-handed backhand or use a semi-western grip. So many people harp about how "ugly" and "incorrect" Nadal's game is, but he dominates on on clay and to an extent, grass.

Yappa
09-10-2007, 01:37 AM
Djokovic is way more multi-dimesional than Roddick and you don't have to say he lost when he's a break down in the decisive set

How so?

We see Roddick trying different approaches like S+V, Slice bhs, etc, which doesn't mean anything, of course, if it's not done well enough.