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Credit to Novak Đoković !!

Whistleway
09-09-2007, 11:20 PM
He played with class and really fought with all he got. It wasn't an awesome match but man, he's a number one is making. By the end of next year, he has a great chance of being just that, number one.

I was pleased to see him play without all the injury fakeouts and insane bouncing. Much credit to him. If he plays like that, with his personality, he could be very popular with fans and media.

He kind of choked a few points, but remember he's just 20. And for reference, you can see Federer at 19-20 choking away matches.

I am a huge fan of Federer, but, Novak really played with lot of class and heart. I just hope he continues that way rather than going back to his questionable plays.

Well done !!

nkhera1
09-09-2007, 11:23 PM
For a first Grand Slam against a guy like Federer, he played really well. He hung right in there with the best in the world for the better part of the match. He really has a bright future and is so young that he is only going to get better. Its nice to see guys try and push Federer a bit. That will probably be better for the whole ATP and Federer himself.

savesthedizzle
09-09-2007, 11:25 PM
He played with class and really fought with all he got. It wasn't an awesome match but man, he's a number one is making. By the end of next year, he has a great chance of being just that, number one.

I was pleased to see him play without all the injury fakeouts and insane bouncing. Much credit to him. If he plays like that, with his personality, he could be very popular with fans and media.

He kind of choked a few points, but remember he's just 20. And for reference, you can see Federer at 19-20 choking away matches.

I am a huge fan of Federer, but, Novak really played with lot of class and heart. I just hope he continues that way rather than going back to his questionable plays.

Well done !!

Thank you for this post :) He had his chances but inexperience got in the way :)

There will be other times for Novak and Roger to battle in the future, one can only hope :D

Alex999
09-09-2007, 11:27 PM
Nole, next time. You will win.

Bad Religion
09-09-2007, 11:29 PM
Novak doesn´t deserve any credit

Choker

Apemant
09-09-2007, 11:29 PM
Thank you for this post :) He had his chances but inexperience got in the way :)

There will be other times for Novak and Roger to battle in the future, one can only hope :D

I feel it's way past just 'hope'... barring injury I don't see what can stop Nole from getting to #1 and win multiple slams. He's even younger than Nadal and probably won't be able to compete with him on clay, but on every other surface he seems to have an upper hand against him. And Federer is getting rusty... even though he won today, this wasn't a great performance from him.

Scotso
09-09-2007, 11:30 PM
His nerves got the better of him, but he showed his great talent in spurts in this match. A slam final is great. :yeah: I think he's definitely a future #1.

Thanks for this thread.

Adler
09-09-2007, 11:30 PM
Played great, it's just not his time yet. But don't feel sad, he's progressing

Scotso
09-09-2007, 11:31 PM
I feel it's way past just 'hope'... barring injury I don't see what can stop Nole from getting to #1 and win multiple slams. He's even younger than Nadal and probably won't be able to compete with him on clay, but on every other surface he seems to have an upper hand against him.

I agree, I think he has the most dominant and complete game aside from Federer. It seems a given that he'll be #1 at some point, baring some tragedy. I even think once he matures more he'll be able to challenge Rafa on clay.

Right now he's got the most powerful aggressive game on the tour when he's using it correctly.

Apemant
09-09-2007, 11:31 PM
Novak doesn´t deserve any credit

Choker

Calling Nole a 'choker', when he's one of mentally strongest players in the world, doesn't look good for your case of not being considered an utter moron. :devil:

El Legenda
09-09-2007, 11:32 PM
not giving credit to Novak, he just won 600,000, why does he need credit

:)

Jaap
09-09-2007, 11:33 PM
No credit whatsoever. He choked big time. Biggest choke in a grand slam final since Coria.

jasmin
09-09-2007, 11:34 PM
Maybe next time he doesn't even make to the finals. You just never know.

Anyhoo I think the fact that Djokovic is one of the strong ones mentally and to me that's how he's gotten so far in slams.

Cat123
09-09-2007, 11:34 PM
If I was him, I would have lost the will to live right about now, but that's just me.

The match was a hell of a lot closer than the score would suggest, I actually can't believe how unlucky he was. But I'm damn sure he'll get there sooner rather than later. He's 20!

mickymouse
09-09-2007, 11:35 PM
He has talent and heart, no doubt about it.

Sunset of Age
09-09-2007, 11:36 PM
Nole definitely deserves some credits.
To me he appeared the better player during the match at many times - if only it weren't for all his UEs and DFs... he's obviously a very talented player, but does not have the mental fortitude to win a GS - YET. I'm sure it'll happen in the future, though.

Fee
09-09-2007, 11:36 PM
Even Federer said that he was impressed by Nole's play and that the score doesn't show how close it was. Nole has many, many, many reasons to be proud. This is not the last time he will be in a slam final.

Farenhajt
09-09-2007, 11:37 PM
Nole rocks :) this loss notwithstanding

I must say I'm amazed to a measure by his choking (squandering 5 set points IS choking, the same as a similar event in Montreal, only on the other side of the net, was also choking)... That really wasn't something I expected, even against Federer. But possibly nerves just got him, or he couldn't decide whether to play safe or risky, or... Nevertheless, for a debut this was more than a decent fight :)

fmolinari2005
09-09-2007, 11:40 PM
All credit to Djoko. Played a tough match, made Roger run for his money. Got a bit unlucky with the hawk-eye thing, and, of course, got a bit tight on the tie-breaks. But, this is a guy who has one of the best records on tie-breaks. It is just that this was a GS final ... shit happens. It wasnt his day. At Montreal was his day, today wasnt. It is very unfair calling him a choker.

More importantly, he played with honor, without pulling a Djoker. With this attitude, he will become number one and win a couple of GS titles. And, he is already a crowd fav. Bright future ahead of this kid.

Henry Chinaski
09-09-2007, 11:42 PM
He was a bag of nerves in his first Masters Series final but learned from the experience and came back a much better player.
I expect the same to happen in relation to slams.

Scotso
09-09-2007, 11:43 PM
Novak doesn´t deserve any credit

Choker

No credit whatsoever. He choked big time. Biggest choke in a grand slam final since Coria.

You guys are really classy. :yeah:

ReturnWinner
09-09-2007, 11:51 PM
Fakevic behaved well today, of course that was by playing Federer in a slam final, the guy who called him a joke, and besides He played very well today,choked a little and had some bad luck too

so a huge :hatoff: for him

MagicMilan
09-10-2007, 12:08 AM
Fakevic behaved well today, of course that was by playing Federer in a slam final, the guy who called him a joke, and besides He played very well today,choked a little and had some bad luck too

so a huge :hatoff: for him
:eek: :eek: :eek:

aeronatasha
09-10-2007, 01:02 AM
I'm so proud of Novak.
He hung on even when things got really really bad for him.
He just kept trying.
Fed knows how close that was.
Novak will learn a lot from this.

I can't think of many players that would continue playing great tennis after suffering such a hugh loss of 1st set.

He haa a lot of BPs and SPs.

He'll only get better.

Go Novak! :worship:

asianboy
09-10-2007, 01:05 AM
Watching djokovic today, i think hes the future plus he has great interviews, comedian ( like hes youtubes). I have a feeling hell get millions in sponsorships.

CyBorg
09-10-2007, 01:06 AM
Djokovic will win a major next year. He's tough mentally and it an elite talent. The nerves that we saw today will dissipate next time.

FedFan_2007
09-10-2007, 01:08 AM
I give lots of credit to Nole. I really respect how he continued fighting after losing sets 1, 2. However as far as actually winning AO/Wimby/USO, not until Fed's desire slips a bit.

Action Jackson
09-10-2007, 01:11 AM
All part of the learning curve, he had chances to take the 1st and 2nd sets, but wasn't able to do it this time around.

He believes he should be on this stage and that is one huge thing in his favour and he will learn from this loss.

aeronatasha
09-10-2007, 01:13 AM
Fed's got competition.
That's really something.
I know Novak admires Federer very much, and he'll take a lot from this experience.

GonzoFed
09-10-2007, 02:49 AM
All part of the learning curve, he had chances to take the 1st and 2nd sets, but wasn't able to do it this time around.

He believes he should be on this stage and that is one huge thing in his favour and he will learn from this loss.

Indeed. 2 SF and 1 R-UP in majors at 20, the learning curve is an exponential one for him. Fast learner. Lets see how he fares in AO next year. I think he could win it, sooner or later Fed will lose in a slam outside France. You are going to see his progress live i suppose.

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-10-2007, 02:53 AM
Novak doesn´t deserve any credit

Choker

Agreed

The pansy didnt show any balls.
Did Sharapova take them you little wuss.

Man the **** up.

Action Jackson
09-10-2007, 02:54 AM
Indeed. 2 SF and 1 R-UP in majors at 20, the learning curve is an exponential one for him. Fast learner. Lets see how he fares in AO next year. I think he could win it, sooner or later Fed will lose in a slam outside France. You are going to see his progress live i suppose.

As I said in another thread. I thought he'd make the top 10 this year, but not reach #3 and beat Fed/Nadal in the same event and make a GS final all this year.

He has had a great year already, and he has shown he is a fast learner. He needed to improve his serve, he has done that ( today it let him down) and his volley has got better.

Big key is how will he go when he defend the points in 2008?

I will be there for sure.

R.Federer
09-10-2007, 03:05 AM
Even Federer said that he was impressed by Nole's play and that the score doesn't show how close it was.

7-6 7-6 6-4 is a very very close score and does indicate that it was a very close match, and maybe a third 7-6 is the only way it could have been shown to be any closer.

World Beater
09-10-2007, 03:12 AM
Indeed. 2 SF and 1 R-UP in majors at 20, the learning curve is an exponential one for him. Fast learner. Lets see how he fares in AO next year. I think he could win it, sooner or later Fed will lose in a slam outside France. You are going to see his progress live i suppose.

agree. i wouldnt be surprised to see nole this same match in Australia.

R.Federer
09-10-2007, 03:16 AM
Indeed. 2 SF and 1 R-UP in majors at 20, the learning curve is an exponential one for him. Fast learner. Lets see how he fares in AO next year. I think he could win it, sooner or later Fed will lose in a slam outside France. You are going to see his progress live i suppose.
Possibly. But he will be a favorite next year. That will be a whole different sort of pressure. It's a different thing to play somewhat more fearlessly when you are the underdog, nothing to lose, etc. You saw already how he played in the qf and sf where he was the one expected to win -- those two performances were more shaky.

rofe
09-10-2007, 03:21 AM
:yeah: to the thread starter's sentiment.

sawan66278
09-10-2007, 03:23 AM
Big key is how will he go when he defend the points in 2008?



This is THE key for next year. And I truly believe that this is the beginning of the "sopohomore slump" of Darth Cheater. For all practical purposes, he choked...

Roger played his worst grand slam final ever. Darth Cheater's draw ended up being a "cupcake coronation". And now, his vaunted ability to win the most crucial tiebreaks is in doubt.

If Rafa played Roger today, he would have had a great shot at winning the title.

The only credit I give to Darth Cheater: his choking prevented the viewers from seeing, as I mentioned in another thread, the bare torsos of male specimans: Papa Cheater and coach Grand Moff Chicanery.

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-10-2007, 03:24 AM
[QUOTE=sawan66278;6003268]
If Rafa played Roger today, he would have had a great shot at winning the title.
QUOTE]

I agree on that point.

Action Jackson
09-10-2007, 03:30 AM
Roger played his worst grand slam final ever. Darth Cheater's draw ended up being a "cupcake coronation". And now, his vaunted ability to win the most crucial tiebreaks is in doubt.

If Rafa played Roger today, he would have had a great shot at winning the title.

The only credit I give to Darth Cheater: his choking prevented the viewers from seeing, as I mentioned in another thread, the bare torsos of male specimans: Papa Cheater and coach Grand Moff Chicanery.

Delusional juice isn't in short supply.

Worst GS final, oh yeah he played so well when Nadal put Federer's arse in a sling in those RG finals, that is rubbish. Federer wasn't great, but far from his worst performance.

As for Nadal the answer you need for this US Open is David Ferrer.

HarryMan
09-10-2007, 03:30 AM
I had posted My thoughts on Novak's qualification for the masters cup and what I thought would be his future over here.
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=5980483#post5980483

I definitely stick with it ,In couple of Seasons or Three this Kid will be the man to beat.

For you people who seem to be bashing This guy for his lack of efforts or chocking or whatever ,Just compare this man playing yesterday against the same player He played in davis cup last year in Switzerland ,or even the AO open this year and tell me He is just the same guy ???

Federer is the best at the moment ,but Djoker is not that far behind already on this surface ,Yes He lost in straights But he had his chances but mentally playing in a grandslam Final for the first time against Someone of Federer's caliber is not something Novak is used to .

Djoker has improved tremendously and there is not a huge gap between him and Federer at the moment on this surface ,So future looks very bright for this man from Serbia barring any serious injury .And remember how he played Nadal at IndianWells this year??And just recollect how he played him at Maimi or Montreal !!

He is a very quick learner and atleast by the end of 2009 I think he would definitely win his first grandslam title ...

GonzoFed
09-10-2007, 03:37 AM
Possibly. But he will be a favorite next year. That will be a whole different sort of pressure. It's a different thing to play somewhat more fearlessly when you are the underdog, nothing to lose, etc. You saw already how he played in the qf and sf where he was the one expected to win -- those two performances were more shaky.

He got the job done in straights in both matches. He didn't play scintillating tennis, but it was never in doubt his status as a winner, which is what really matters at the end. If he is the favourite depends of what happens from now on until the beggining of next year. That's what i wrote "i think he could win it". Anyway, if he avoids getting involved in four-five hour grinding battles in first or second round matches, i see a good chance for him, since Nadal's form is always uncertain in hard courts and Roger has being in 10 majors finals in a row, which is a borderline insane achievement, and like i said, sooner or later he's going to lose, which is perfectly fine with me (he's done good enough for me on Hard Courts, no need to get bitchy.)

Apemant
09-10-2007, 12:16 PM
7-6 7-6 6-4 is a very very close score and does indicate that it was a very close match, and maybe a third 7-6 is the only way it could have been shown to be any closer.

Wrong. :devil:
Federer probably aimed at the fact that it was still straight-sets.
A scoreline of the like 7-6 4-6 7-6 3-6 7-6 would still be WAY closer than just 3 tiebreaks for Federer, right?

HNCS
09-10-2007, 12:22 PM
:worship: to the thread.

THANKS!!!

martine2
09-10-2007, 12:27 PM
The kid certainly deserves credit!
He's got talent, mental strenght and guts.
He had a great year and things are going very fast for him but this doesn't seem to bother him too much.

Yesterday was his first GS final and he certainly had his chances to take the 1st and the 2nd set.
Ok, his nerves got to him a bit on important points but it also was because of Roger's experience that he couldn't finish the job. Fed didn't play his best tennis but he peaked at exactly the right moments.

As it looks now Nole is going to play a big role in top tennis for the time to come :yeah:

thesupreme
09-10-2007, 02:39 PM
Calling Nole a 'choker', when he's one of mentally strongest players in the world, doesn't look good for your case of not being considered an utter moron. :devil:


Sorry to say but he's right, Nole definately choked and you know it. Being street tough at tourneys around the globe is
one thing but choking at a GS final where it counts is whats really remembered...

Fair play to him, he didnt do much of his 'lets play basketball for 1 min' baseline routine though....

mongo
09-10-2007, 02:56 PM
Since I've been told today's players are the GOAT, it would have been nice had Novak had Davydenko on the other side of the net in his grand slam final debut as a nice confidence booster.

Federer's debut was v. Philippoussis
Nadal's debut was v. Puerta
Djokovic's debut was v. Federer lolol

But Novak seems like the kind of kid that can bounce back from this loss. The future looks bright for Novak.:)

Apemant
09-10-2007, 03:01 PM
Sorry to say but he's right, Nole definately choked and you know it. Being street tough at tourneys around the globe is
one thing but choking at a GS final where it counts is whats really remembered...

Fair play to him, he didnt do much of his 'lets play basketball for 1 min' baseline routine though....

Of course he choked a bit. Everyone chokes. One choke doesn't make you a choker. Real chokers choke all the time, it's their norm. Nadal choked a bit serving for the match @RG '06. Is he a choker? Federer choked serving for the first set in Montreal. Is he a choker?

I was just laughing at the knee-jerk reaction of calling Nole a 'choker' just because he failed to deliver in a particular match. Esp. since that poster doesn't care 1 percent for Nole himself, he just wanted Federer to lose. And Nole failed to give him the satisfaction of seeing that, so he's a 'choker' all of a sudden. Wasn't he among the mentally strongest players not two days ago?

thesupreme
09-10-2007, 03:08 PM
^whatever man, patatas...potatatoes...all in all its karma for being a f*cking cheat ;)

R.Federer
09-10-2007, 05:42 PM
Wrong. :devil:
Federer probably aimed at the fact that it was still straight-sets.
A scoreline of the like 7-6 4-6 7-6 3-6 7-6 would still be WAY closer than just 3 tiebreaks for Federer, right?
How do you mean? It was a straight sets match. Given that, the only closer score than the one that actually happened is three 7-6s.
The score you are giving is for a match that did not take place, ie 5 sets.

Apemant
09-10-2007, 06:04 PM
How do you mean? It was a straight sets match. Given that, the only closer score than the one that actually happened is three 7-6s.
The score you are giving is for a match that did not take place, ie 5 sets.

Federer said that 'the scoreline doesn't show how close it was'. To that you said that it couldn't have been closer except if it was 3 TBs. That is quite obviously wrong, as there are plenty of possible scorelines much closer than 3 TBs in favour of one of the players. Of course, 3 TBs are as close as possible for a straight-set victory, but did it have to be a straight-setter? Which scoreline is closer, 7-6 7-6 6-4, or 5-7 7-6 7-5 6-4?

Farenhajt
09-10-2007, 06:07 PM
And how do you define "closeness of a match" in the first place? To me, it means that almost every set was decided by one, at most two points - one minibreak, or one UE/DF/great return at 30-40 or 40-A, or things like that. In that sense, the match WAS very close.

On the other hand, there were periods of the match when it didn't appear close at all - but in the endings, it was.

R.Federer
09-10-2007, 06:11 PM
Federer said that 'the scoreline doesn't show how close it was'. To that you said that it couldn't have been closer except if it was 3 TBs. That is quite obviously wrong, as there are plenty of possible scorelines much closer than 3 TBs in favour of one of the players. Of course, 3 TBs are as close as possible for a straight-set victory, but did it have to be a straight-setter? Which scoreline is closer, 7-6 7-6 6-4, or 5-7 7-6 7-5 6-4?

No, I am saying for a straight sets win, the only closer score possible is three tiebreaks. You are giving scorelines for a match that did not happen, i.e, 4 and 5 setters. In that case, you may as well consider another score altogether like a Federer loss in three bagels. I am only looking at the actual match and commenting to Fee's post that it does not show that it was close.

Apemant
09-10-2007, 06:25 PM
No, I am saying for a straight sets win, the only closer score possible is three tiebreaks.

That is true, however, it is also irrelevant. Federer never implied that it HAD to be a straight setter. Actually, what he is saying is that someone shouldn't think it wasn't close just because it was a straight-set win. The scoreline doesn't show that he was behind in both 1st and 2nd set, that Nole had SPs in both of them etc. Hence, as far as scoreline goes, it might have been another day in the office for Federer. And to that he says that it was closer than that.

R.Federer
09-10-2007, 06:31 PM
That is true, however, it is also irrelevant. Federer never implied that it HAD to be a straight setter. Actually, what he is saying is that someone shouldn't think it wasn't close just because it was a straight-set win. The scoreline doesn't show that he was behind in both 1st and 2nd set, that Nole had SPs in both of them etc. Hence, as far as scoreline goes, it might have been another day in the office for Federer. And to that he says that it was closer than that.

Where did he say that? I must have missed it. I only caught the part where he said "straight sets is brutal. He deserved a set". I did not see in his interview that he said that the scoreline does not reflect how close it was.

Apemant
09-10-2007, 08:06 PM
Where did he say that? I must have missed it. I only caught the part where he said "straight sets is brutal. He deserved a set". I did not see in his interview that he said that the scoreline does not reflect how close it was.

Actually ... :scratch:

Now that you ask, I have no idea where I heard it, or IF I heard it in the first place. I guess I took Fee's words as the truth, esp. since your reply didn't seem to argue whether Federer said it or not, but whether it actually made sense. My bad. :devil:

Lee
09-10-2007, 08:07 PM
Actually ... :scratch:

Now that you ask, I have no idea where I heard it, or IF I heard it in the first place. I guess I took Fee's words as the truth, esp. since your reply didn't seem to argue whether Federer said it or not, but whether it actually made sense. My bad. :devil:

Federer said this during the trophy presentation.

AndyUK
09-10-2007, 08:26 PM
If a player you didn't like did the same thing, the majority of you would be calling him a choker.

But anyway, fair play to Novak.