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Andy Roddick is out in Paris

Springy
05-26-2004, 06:00 PM
Andy lost to Oliver Mutis of France 36 63 67 63 62

Ciao Andy... :rolleyes:

Horatio Caine
05-26-2004, 06:01 PM
Have a nice day! :tape:

Yonge
05-26-2004, 06:03 PM
That's okay, Andy.

Mutis played well. :worship:

Havok
05-26-2004, 06:03 PM
:banana: I don't think I've ever seen him play any worse than he did, and serve more worse than that :retard: now go to grass courts :drive:

croat123
05-26-2004, 06:03 PM
:haha: brad gilbert was talking about duckman easily making the second week yesterday :haha:

Sjengster
05-26-2004, 06:04 PM
The real worry for Roddick is that once his patience began to evaporate on the clay against a dogged opponent, so did his will to fight and his ability to keep the ball in court, and he only got on the board in the final set through a mini-choke from Mutis. It sounds as though the same problems he showed in the Canas match in Rome were evident here - wildly overhitting forehands and serve-volleying on second serves at inopportune moments. It shows that his problems on clay are tactical as well as mental.

TheBoiledEgg
05-26-2004, 06:05 PM
what a great day :)

Olivier's 1st ATP win of 2004 :yeah:

COMA
05-26-2004, 06:05 PM
Andy, see you next year :rolleyes:

Billabong
05-26-2004, 06:06 PM
Yeah Congrats Olivier :bounce:!!!!!

Vechelaux
05-26-2004, 06:07 PM
:tape:

Nice.

Sjengster
05-26-2004, 06:08 PM
what a great day :)

Olivier's 1st ATP win of 2004 :yeah:

Apart from his other, even greater win against the Bagel Boy of course. ;) With his two wins here Mutis has saved ESPN viewers from continual American domination - allez, Olivier!

Havok
05-26-2004, 06:09 PM
what a great day :)

Olivier's 1st ATP win of 2004 :yeah:
ok this has got to be the dumbest thing written. HE was in the 2nd round and won, how the hell was a 2nd round win his first of the year :retard:


and sjeng I agree, its completely tactical and mental. If he would have kept up his play in set 1, he would have easily crushed Mutis today. He choked away that lead in both set 2 and 4, and Mutis upped his play big time. He deserved the win out there though, he hits some incredible shots.

Buddy
05-26-2004, 06:10 PM
Mutis played very well... :bounce:

I noticed that since his last year's wimbledon's loss to Srichaphan...unfortunately, his rank has not allowed him to play much in tournaments except challengers and when he did most likely he met someone better...

hopefully this is the chance for him to break through....

Better luck next time Roddick, but you should have fought more in the last set...oh well, come back stronger next year!!!

Dirk
05-26-2004, 06:15 PM
Andy's serve % is what hurt him. He still is not able to deal with players able to make him play so many balls. Andy could have won this match but Andy's strokes are so big that guys who are great movers on clay and can defend are able to keep making Andy play and the patience begins to crack. He is still very young and Mutis did play very well in the last two sets. It was mostly his doing not Andy's although Andy's mental breakdown in the 5th didn't do him any favors.

little duck
05-26-2004, 06:19 PM
I didn't seem that it was tactical and mental at all. Roddick was sevring as he usualy does in the first set, and won it only 6-3. In the second set and later on he couldn't serve so good - as he usually isn't able to neither - and the better player won.

Roddick was so tired last two sets. I saw immidiately what is going to happen since the second set. Roddick was lucky not to loose 3-1 and with 6-0 or so in the last two sets.

Horatio Caine
05-26-2004, 06:22 PM
How long has the Pavel - Youzhny match been going for? It is so close - Youzhny serving at 6/7 7/6 1/6 7/6 1/0!

Mrs. B
05-26-2004, 06:26 PM
lol at the Eurosport commentator. has he been lurking here?

something like, "Roddick is a lame duck on court..." :lol:

the blondie is his gf, right?

Havok
05-26-2004, 06:27 PM
:haha: they really said that? :haha:

Sjengster
05-26-2004, 06:29 PM
lol at the Eurosport commentator. has he been lurking here?

something like, "Roddick is a lame duck on court..." :lol:

the blondie is his gf, right?

Simon Reed - no, he doesn't have enough intelligence to have gleaned that from here. He's a pantomime dame who likes making exaggerated statements, so it's just a coincidence. But an extremely apt one, indeed.

henree
05-26-2004, 06:36 PM
Roddick has a problem that isn't typically adressed here. His heavy forehand is a liability. I know most people think top spin on clay is a good thing. But Roddick just over spins it and the loopy arcs he hits gives the opponent too much time to get back in to the point, when on a faster surface it would have been a winner. Actually Mary Carillo said that in Miami when Roddick faced Moya, that his heavy forehand was making life difficult for himself. If he would have flattened out his forehand he could of put away winners more easily.

Oh well, Roddick never would have made it far to begin with. At least he can say he made progress, taking into consideration his 1st round exit last year.

And even though I like Roddick, I am so glad he is gone, because this means I don't have to worry about him hogging television coverage... :wavey:

MisterQ
05-26-2004, 06:44 PM
Chris Fowler to Brad Gilbert: "Last time he [Andy] lost at the French Open, he fired his coach."

touché! :lol:

Horatio Caine
05-26-2004, 06:46 PM
Chris Fowler to Brad Gilbert: "Last time he [Andy] lost at the French Open, he fired his coach."

touché! :lol:


:haha:

Catsou
05-26-2004, 06:56 PM
Chris Fowler to Brad Gilbert: "Last time he [Andy] lost at the French Open, he fired his coach."

touché! :lol:

:lol:

tangerine_dream
05-26-2004, 06:57 PM
Congrats to Oliver on what sounded like he played excellent tennis. :hatoff:

Don't know what happened to Andy because this was a winable match for him. It's great that he got the first-round curse off his back but he's quite capable of going deeper at RG and he knows it. He should be disgusted with himself. http://www.dfwsportbike.com/forums/images/smilies/nono.gif

Hopefully next year he will play more european clay tournaments and do better at RG. I'd really like to see him evolve into an all-surface player.

Chris Fowler to Brad Gilbert: "Last time he [Andy] lost at the French Open, he fired his coach." touché! :lol:

:haha: bye, Brad! :wavey:

Socket
05-26-2004, 07:08 PM
Reuters reports that with Roddick's (and Spadea's) loss today, this is the first time in the open era that no American male player is in the third round of a grand slam.

Actually, that's a pretty impressive record (or was a pretty impressive record, until today, of course).

J. Corwin
05-26-2004, 07:08 PM
Chris Fowler to Brad Gilbert: "Last time he [Andy] lost at the French Open, he fired his coach."

touché! :lol:

lol. But he didn't lose in the first round. :p ;)

I knew Andy was gonna self destruct in the last set. ;)

Socket
05-26-2004, 07:09 PM
And what did Gilbert say to Fowler (after punching his lights out)?

amethyst
05-26-2004, 07:11 PM
Mutis played well but not error-free and was very tired in the end. Roddick surely would have had some chances but he acted impatient and therefore produced many errors. It seems to me he "gave up" mentally too early.
Congratulations Mutis on a great fight :bounce:

MisterQ
05-26-2004, 07:12 PM
He said "Do you know something I don't?" or something along those lines... ;)

CooCooCachoo
05-26-2004, 07:15 PM
ok this has got to be the dumbest thing written. HE was in the 2nd round and won, how the hell was a 2nd round win his first of the year

Uhuh. I was about to say something about it when I read your post.

I must say: well done to Olivier. He kept on fighting and running, even though he was in despair at times. I don't like Roddick's game, but I have to make him a compliment on being a good sport to Mutis throughout the game.

Socket
05-26-2004, 07:25 PM
Roddick has a problem that isn't typically adressed here. His heavy forehand is a liability. I know most people think top spin on clay is a good thing. But Roddick just over spins it and the loopy arcs he hits gives the opponent too much time to get back in to the point, when on a faster surface it would have been a winner. Actually Mary Carillo said that in Miami when Roddick faced Moya, that his heavy forehand was making life difficult for himself. If he would have flattened out his forehand he could of put away winners more easily.

Oh well, Roddick never would have made it far to begin with. At least he can say he made progress, taking into consideration his 1st round exit last year.

And even though I like Roddick, I am so glad he is gone, because this means I don't have to worry about him hogging television coverage... :wavey:

Wow, you make Roddick sound like Sanchez Vicario hitting moonballs. :) :)

the cat
05-26-2004, 07:26 PM
That was a very dissapointing loss for Roddick. :( Credit to Mutis for hanging in there and playing some splendid tennis. But after Roddick took a 2 sets to 1 lead I did not expect him to fade like that. I do not want to see Roddick lose early every year at Roland Garros the way Sampras did. But it looks like that might be the case because thus far in his young career Roddick has not proven he can win tough clay court matches in Paris. And this was an awful permormance for the American men in Paris! :mad: The worst I can ever remember.

lalaland
05-26-2004, 07:57 PM
:yeah: Mutis. He looks very tired at the end, I was afraid that he won't be able to put the match away. But he ended it in style, ace on MP, just like Haelnel did to Agassi. So the beneficiary of that weak quarter of the draw is Mutis, got Ginepri and Roddick on clay to register his first 2 wins of the year, what more can he asks for.

J. Corwin
05-26-2004, 08:48 PM
That was a very dissapointing loss for Roddick. :( Credit to Mutis for hanging in there and playing some splendid tennis. But after Roddick took a 2 sets to 1 lead I did not expect him to fade like that. I do not want to see Roddick lose early every year at Roland Garros the way Sampras did. But it looks like that might be the case because thus far in his young career Roddick has not proven he can win tough clay court matches in Paris. And this was an awful permormance for the American men in Paris! :mad: The worst I can ever remember.

Well credit to Pete, he did make the SF and QF of RG before.

Chloe le Bopper
05-26-2004, 08:49 PM
Wow, you make Roddick sound like Sanchez Vicario hitting moonballs. :) :)
(S)he didn't, actually. In fact, nothing in that post indicated anything about a Sachez Vicario style of play, but you get points for your creativity none the less.

henree - good post. I've disputed about Roddicks forehand with people before, and was basically laughed at. I think that it's clear who was right in that debate ;)

J. Corwin
05-26-2004, 09:00 PM
I do agree about his forehand. His shots land way too short in the court most of the time.

YoursTruly
05-26-2004, 09:07 PM
I watched the match live on TV and I knew it wouldn't be a routine win for Andy but I did think he'd win it! He is number 2. I thought Olivier (who I was rooting for)would win a set but he ends up winning and it was a great match! Ugly for Andy though who looked totally out of the zone by the fifth set. But the cause of Olivier's win wasn't Andy's making all the crazy errors but it was Olivier's play that was really fantastic, like the kind where someone is pumped up in the zone and inspired and every shot stays in or creates some great winners! I've watched him on TV once, some years ago, but when they said he's been struggling on tour, I was even more happy he won this, and in France! Congratulations to Olivier and best of luck to him in his third round match where he has a huge opportunity to reach the 4th round!!! :bounce: :yeah:

WyveN
05-26-2004, 10:12 PM
what a relief, with such a joke of a draw I was a little bit worried that with some luck the duck might go pretty far.

He loses to Mutis of all people :haha:

Mutis played really solid tennis, though -- mixing up his serves
really well, retrieving everything Roddick threw at him, and forcing
Roddick to make errors. The final set was a bit of a washout. Roddick
looked very sluggish at that stage, and it seemed like he almost gave up
when he lost his second service game to go down 0-3.

Lisbeth
05-26-2004, 11:53 PM
Chris Fowler to Brad Gilbert: "Last time he [Andy] lost at the French Open, he fired his coach."

touché! :lol:

:lol: Are you serious? That's hilarious! And frankly Brad deserves it. I'm not a particular fan of Andy but I'm sick to death of Brad hogging all the credit for his wins and none of the responsibility for the flaws in his game.

RogiFan88
05-27-2004, 02:01 AM
if this means that we won't see Brat's blablabla every day fr now on, I'm ecstatic that Pandy is out...

Supersonik
05-27-2004, 04:20 AM
Great performance by Mutis, and he exposed the clear weaknesses that Roddick has on clay, though relatively speaking Roddick's backhand was not that bad. Roddick didn't even consider using angles on his groundstrokes, just tried to blow him away, the volleys lacked penetration.

The mental and technical demons on the surface affect him, and see that's what happens when a player gets one more ball back and Roddick was so frustrated in the 5th set, that it looked like he tanked, not that I believe he did. When Mutis went to the 5-0 lead, I actually thought somehow Roddick will get out of this match, but now Gilbert and Roddick can go and prepare for the grass season and the improvement from last year is one small step.

Fedex
05-27-2004, 04:32 AM
what a great day :)

Olivier's 1st ATP win of 2004 :yeah:
Amen to that!! :worship:

Fedex
05-27-2004, 04:33 AM
No More Americans!!! :banana: :bounce:

Fin090
05-27-2004, 09:03 AM
How come no one has mentioend Andy's volleying, did you watch the match? There were 10 or mroe occasions where top players such as Henman would've killed a point off with a volley but Andy's volleys were so feelble that Mutis was able to keep points alive. I don't even think Mutis played THAT well, I always thought Andy would win but he just gave up in the 5th.

Chloe le Bopper
05-27-2004, 09:40 AM
I do agree about his forehand. His shots land way too short in the court most of the time.
Indeed. His forehand is really really really fantastic at doing one thing, and that is following up his serve and putting it away.... or putting away the short ball. He's not used to having it come back at him as much as does on clay, and as far as I can tell, he really can't do much else with it. Give me Fed's, Ferrero's, or Moya's anyday ;)

WyveN
05-27-2004, 10:01 AM
Indeed. His forehand is really really really fantastic at doing one thing, and that is following up his serve and putting it away.... or putting away the short ball. Give me Fed's, Ferrero's, or Moya's anyday ;)

I have seen Roddick put away balls from all over the court using the forehand when he was playing close to his best (last years hard court circuit) but yes it does seem those other guys you mentioned can use their forehand as a big weapon far more consistently and with more variety.

Roddick reminds me of Ivanisevic in a way, if the serve is working then all other areas of his game pick up yet if for whatever reason the serve is not dictating then his overall game struggles.