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Action Jackson
09-07-2007, 01:54 PM
The rugby World Cup starts this weekend and it seems to be quite hard to pick this time and I hope the All Blacks win the whole thing, but they freeze on the big stage.

Honestly as long as South Africa or England don't win the thing, then I will be happy with that.

Hope there can be some surprises, but we pretty much know the big sides will make the last 8.

adee-gee
09-07-2007, 01:57 PM
Good thread :yeah:

You want England or South Africa to win it? :speakles: Or there was supposed to be a "don't" in there?

Good group for the Scots, hopefully we can make the QF at least.

Action Jackson
09-07-2007, 01:59 PM
Yes, I changed the typo and no I don't want the Bokies or the Poms to win.

Good opening game between France and Argentina, should be a bit of physical play there. I mean the Argie forward are probably used to eating a whole cow before they play, but they lack out wide.

adee-gee
09-07-2007, 02:02 PM
I didn't think so :lol: Habana might be top try scorer though :worship:

Yep tonight's game should be good, there isn't too many good group games unfortunately.

Action Jackson
09-07-2007, 02:04 PM
Rugby World Cup 2007 fixtures


Pool A

England, South Africa, Samoa, USA, Tonga

Pool B

Australia, Wales, Fiji, Canada, Japan

Pool C

New Zealand, Scotland, Italy, Romania, Portugal

Pool D

France, Ireland, Argentina, Georgia, Namibia

FULL RUGBY WORLD CUP 2007 SCHEDULE

7 September:
France v Argentina, Stade de France, Paris, Pool D (2000 BST)

8 September:

England v USA, Lens, Pool A (1700 BST)
Australia v Japan, Lyon, Pool B (1445 BST)
New Zealand v Italy, Marseille, Pool C (1245 BST)

9 September:

Ireland v Namibia, Bordeaux, Pool D (1900 BST)
Wales v Canada, Nantes, Pool B (1300 BST)
South Africa v Samoa, Parc des Princes, Paris, Pool A (1500 BST)
Scotland v Portugal, St Etienne, Pool C (1700 BST)

11 September:

Argentina v Georgia, Lyon, Pool D (1900 BST)

12 September:

Italy v Romania, Marseille, Pool C (1900 BST)
USA v Tonga, Montpellier, Pool A (1300 BST)
Japan v Fiji, Toulouse, Pool B (1700 BST)

14 September:

England v South Africa, Stade de France, Paris, Pool A (2000 BST)

15 September:

Ireland v Georgia, Bordeaux, Pool D (2000 BST)
Wales v Australia, Cardiff, Pool B (1400 BST)
New Zealand v Portugal, Lyon, Pool C (1200 BST)

16 September:

Fiji v Canada, Cardiff, Pool B (1300 BST)
Samoa v Tonga, Montpellier, Pool A (1500 BST)
France v Namibia, Toulouse, Pool D (2000 BST)

18 September:

Scotland v Romania, Edinburgh, Pool C (2000 BST)

19 September:

Italy v Portugal, Parc des Princes, Paris, Pool C (1900 BST)

20 September:

Wales v Japan, Cardiff, Pool B (2000 BST)

21 September:

France v Ireland, Stade de France, Paris, Pool D (2000 BST)

22 September:

South Africa v Tonga, Lens, Pool A (1300 BST)
Argentina v Namibia, Marseille, Pool D (2000 BST)
England v Samoa, Nantes, Pool A (1500 BST)

23 September:

Scotland v New Zealand, Edinburgh, Pool C (1600 BST)
Australia v Fiji, Montpellier, Pool B (1330 BST)

25 September:

Canada v Japan, Bordeaux, Pool B (1700 BST)
Romania v Portugal, Toulouse, Pool C (1900 BST)

26 September:

Georgia v Namibia, Lens, Pool D (1700 BST)
Samoa v USA, St Etienne, Pool A (1900 BST)

28 September:

England v Tonga, Parc des Princes, Paris, Pool A (2000 BST)

29 September:

Australia v Canada, Bordeaux, Pool B (1400 BST)
Wales v Fiji, Nantes, Pool B (1600 BST)
Scotland v Italy, St Etienne, Pool C (2000 BST)
New Zealand v Romania, Toulouse, Pool C (1200 BST)

30 September:

France v Georgia, Marseille, Pool D (1400 BST)
South Africa v USA, Montpellier, Pool A (1900 BST)
Ireland v Argentina, Parc des Princes, Paris, Pool D (1600 BST)

6 October:

QF1: W Pool B v RU Pool A, Marseille (1400 BST)
QF2: W Pool C v RU Pool D, Cardiff (2000 BST)

7 October:
QF3: W Pool A v RU Pool B, Marseille (1400 BST)
QF4: W Pool D v RU Pool C, Stade de France, Paris (2000 BST)

13 October:
SF1: W QF1 v W QF2, Stade de France, Paris (2000 BST)

14 October:
SF2: W QF3 v W QF4, Stade de France, Paris (2000 BST)

19 October:
3rd place play-off, Parc des Princes, Paris (2000 BST)

20 October:
Final, Stade de France, Paris (2000 BST)

*Fixtures, dates and times are subject to late change

Action Jackson
09-07-2007, 02:05 PM
I didn't think so :lol: Habana might be top try scorer though :worship:

Yep tonight's game should be good, there isn't too many good group games unfortunately.

You going to go to Murrayfield to watch the All Blacks? Yes, there are some weak matches, at the same time imagine the Georgian team, this is where Labadze is these days, playing hooker for them.

It will warm up around the QF stage.

LeChuck
09-07-2007, 02:06 PM
I would like the All Blacks to win the tournamnet this time as well. Admittedly in 2003, they weren't the best side going into competition, England were, but in 1991, 1995 and 1999 I'm guessing that they were the red hot favourites.
In the last two years, away from home they have beaten France (twice), England, Australia and South Africa (twice). They have an embarresment of riches at their disposal. A bit like Argentina with the Copa America earlier this year, anything less than bringing home the title would surely be unnacceptable for them.
Good luck to Canada. We are sure to lose to Australia, Wales and Fiji, but hopefully we can beat Japan and avoid finishing bottom of the group.
The 3 most important matches of the pool stages are, in no particular order, England V South Africa in Pool A (both teams would rather face Wales in the quarter-finals than Australia I'm sure), Scotland V Italy in Pool C, and Ireland V Argentina in Pool D.

Action Jackson
09-07-2007, 02:10 PM
These Canadians don't need to wear padding.

Actually in 2003 I think they were better than England and maybe 91 the All Blacks weren't at their best. 1995 they were so much better than everyone else and then there was the episode where most of their team went down with an illness before the final.

Gaudio is a huge rugby fan and I bet he will be at the match.

adee-gee
09-07-2007, 02:13 PM
2003 was the most appalling WC, it was a joke that England won it scoring so few tries :zzz:

This one should be much better, and New Zealand should win it if they play anywhere near their best.

Action Jackson
09-07-2007, 02:14 PM
England won't get away with those tactics this time.

LeChuck
09-07-2007, 02:16 PM
These Canadians don't need to wear padding.

:lol:

Actually in 2003 I think they were better than England and maybe 91 the All Blacks weren't at their best. 1995 they were so much better than everyone else and then there was the episode where most of their team went down with an illness before the final.

In 2003, they absolutely battered Australia and South Africa away from home in the Tri-Nations didn't they, scoring 50 points plus each time. They beat Australia 50-21 at Sydney in July (I'm not sure of the exact score), but then choked big time against the same opposition in the same stadium a few months later.
Australia are the exact opposite of New Zealand. They often perform very poorly in-between rugby world cups, but then once the competition starts, they always seem to raise their game (they overachieved to reach the final in 2003 I would say). They can never be written off and are the rugby equivalent of Germany at football world cup.

LeChuck
09-07-2007, 02:17 PM
England won't get away with those tactics this time.

They were so scared they were going to lose to Samoa that they felt to need to field 16 players on the pitch at one point :)

Action Jackson
09-07-2007, 02:24 PM
:lol:

In 2003, they absolutely battered Australia and South Africa away from home in the Tri-Nations didn't they, scoring 50 points plus each time. They beat Australia 50-21 at Sydney in July (I'm not sure of the exact score), but then choked big time against the same opposition in the same stadium a few months later.
Australia are the exact opposite of New Zealand. They often perform very poorly in-between rugby world cups, but then once the competition starts, they always seem to raise their game (they overachieved to reach the final in 2003 I would say). They can never be written off and are the rugby equivalent of Germany at football world cup.

I remember they were handing out the pain and it was pretty much by how far were the Kiwis going to win it by. I think maybe they got a bit cocky and even their haka that day had nothing in it and the Aussies got them and they definitely overachieved that event.

Bit of needle now with Eddie Jones former Aussie coach working with the South Africans in an advising role.

TMJordan
09-07-2007, 02:30 PM
Canada should clinch it.

LeChuck
09-07-2007, 02:58 PM
Sebastien Chabal is just a beast :worship: :
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1uh_aWqm2I0&mode=related&search=

LeChuck
09-07-2007, 03:06 PM
I remember they were handing out the pain and it was pretty much by how far were the Kiwis going to win it by. I think maybe they got a bit cocky and even their haka that day had nothing in it and the Aussies got them and they definitely overachieved that event.

Bit of needle now with Eddie Jones former Aussie coach working with the South Africans in an advising role.

That is certainly an interesting appointment. Is is true that Jones once accused the Springboks of spying on a Wallabies training session when he was the coach there, or something like that?
Yeah the All Blacks deem seem overconfident and many of their players thought that they would roll over the Wallabies again but it wasn't to be. Reuben Thorne next struck me as being that good a captain (not that I'm blaming him for the defeat). Richie McCaw is a much more inspirational leader in my opinion, and Dan Carter who struggle for most of the Tri-Nations looked like his old usual self in their last match against Australia. Their defeat to Australia at Melbourne earlier this year might be a good thing as it certainly appeared to give them a useful wake up call.

I'm expecting the semi-final line-up to be:
France V South Africa
Australia V New Zealand

with France and New Zealand playing each other in the final.

Saumon
09-07-2007, 03:35 PM
Sebastien Chabal is just a beast :worship: :
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1uh_aWqm2I0&mode=related&search=

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7caiEg07XNE :tape:

LeChuck
09-07-2007, 04:02 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7caiEg07XNE :tape:

:lol: That was brilliant. Thanks for posting the clip.

jayjay
09-07-2007, 04:14 PM
I hope Ireland enjoy their wins over Georgia and Namibia.

rocketassist
09-07-2007, 04:31 PM
A good defence for England will be semi finals.

ExcaliburII
09-07-2007, 06:32 PM
ARgentina will be too much for France today.

psichogaucho
09-07-2007, 06:44 PM
ARgentina will be too much for France today.

really?

ExcaliburII
09-07-2007, 07:08 PM
really?

Wait and see ;)

LK_22
09-07-2007, 08:55 PM
The rugby World Cup starts this weekend and it seems to be quite hard to pick this time and I hope the All Blacks win the whole thing, but they freeze on the big stage.

Honestly as long as South Africa or England don't win the thing, then I will be happy with that.

Hope there can be some surprises, but we pretty much know the big sides will make the last 8.

:lol: Hard to pick? New Zealand are big favourites with the rugby they have been playing. France should make at least Semis at home, although they won't if they repeat that performance again! :haha: Australia and South Africa you can never count out

As long as England win I'll be happy :) No our World Cup was the last one no team has ever retained the World Cup and unfortunately I can't see it happening, if we make semi finals the current team would have done well, we have been woeful away the past couple of years

The winners from the groups should be the big, Pool D is the Pool of Death no doubt, France now look in great danger, they must beat Ireland now. I wouldn't rule out either Samoa or Fiji going through at the expense of England and Wales, both teams are tricky. If any other teams go through it'll be a big shock

ExcaliburII
09-07-2007, 08:57 PM
Argentina is just too good at the moment. This is a sport for real men.

Felipe Contepomi :worship:

LK_22
09-07-2007, 09:00 PM
Actually in 2003 I think they were better than England and maybe 91 the All Blacks weren't at their best. 1995 they were so much better than everyone else and then there was the episode where most of their team went down with an illness before the final.

Gaudio is a huge rugby fan and I bet he will be at the match.

England were the No.1 team at the time, we were better than New Zealand and we proved that then, although they were expected to beat Australia even though the Aussies were hosting

Didn't know that :lol:

2003 was the most appalling WC, it was a joke that England won it scoring so few tries :zzz:

This one should be much better, and New Zealand should win it if they play anywhere near their best.

I suppose a Scottish person would say that :p The last world cup was magical :p
The rest of the world's press had to eat humble pie, nice to see :p

LK_22
09-07-2007, 09:02 PM
Argentina is just too good at the moment. This is a sport for real men.


Well said :yeah:
Argentina as usual carrying the flag for North/South America

GustavoM_Fan
09-07-2007, 09:53 PM
VAMOS ARGENTINA!!!! 17-12 to the local France.... :woohoo:

Felipe Contepomi :worship: 4/7 at PK :yeah:
bad luck he dont convert at the finals PenaltyKicks.

ReturnWinner
09-07-2007, 09:58 PM
that was not bad luck but Contempomi shitted his pants, thanks god the match finished very fastly after that
bad luck he dont convert at the finals PenaltyKicks.

ExcaliburII
09-07-2007, 09:59 PM
Well said :yeah:
Argentina as usual carrying the flag for North/South America

:rocker2:



Felipe Contepomi failed a few kicks in the second half.
But he played like a beast, lots of tackles and a lot of breaks he made in French line. The guy with the biggest balls on the field today by far.

adee-gee
09-07-2007, 10:03 PM
:haha: it seems France don't only choke in tennis :p

Great effort from the Argies, they deserved the win. They almost blew it at the end, can't believe they went for goal with the penalty. It would've been crazy if France had gone up the other end and scored a try.

bokehlicious
09-07-2007, 10:04 PM
:haha: it seems France don't only choke in tennis :p

:haha: :haha: :p

maldini
09-07-2007, 10:17 PM
France :o

Marine
09-07-2007, 10:30 PM
:bigcry: :help: :help: :help:

Skrela, Martin, thanks :awww: :rolleyes:

GustavoM_Fan
09-07-2007, 10:41 PM
from myrugbynews.com (http://www.myrugbynews.com/Rugby_World_Cup_2007/match-france-vs-argentina/)

http://www.myrugbynews.com/Rugby_World_Cup_2007/images/fra.gif __ http://www.myrugbynews.com/Rugby_World_Cup_2007/images/arg.gif
........France Vs Argentina


Full Time Score: France 12-17 Argentina
Kick-Off : 21:00 on 7th September
Previous Encounters: 39 games played, France won 28 games, Argentina won 10 games, 1 draw.
Stadium: Stade de France, St Dennis, Paris, France
Attendance: 80, 000
Match Summary: Argentina took the lead early, home nation France were unable to come back, with the second half starting at 9-17 to Argentina, France only managed a penalty to take the final score to 12-17.
Point Scorers
Argentina: Try - Ignacio Corleto , Penalties - Felipe Contepomi (x4)
France: Penalties - David Skrela (x4)

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/coberturaespecial/mundialrugby/imgs/historico.jpg

ExcaliburII
09-07-2007, 10:52 PM
:haha: it seems France don't only choke in tennis :p

Great effort from the Argies, they deserved the win. They almost blew it at the end, can't believe they went for goal with the penalty. It would've been crazy if France had gone up the other end and scored a try.

They were told by the referee it was not the last play, that was why they went for a goal. If they had thrown it out play would have continued anyway.

LK_22
09-07-2007, 10:53 PM
Well done Argentina nice to see :hatoff: the first half performance was enough for them
France considering they are (should I say were :p) 2nd favourites were woeful, if they had scored the two easy penalty kicks that Argentina had gave them they still would have won! :eek:
Second half was very poor but Argentina in the end done all they needed to do :yeah:

Both teams should worry about Ireland, but I would expect a French backlash against the Irish, or they are going out

bad gambler
09-07-2007, 10:55 PM
Les Bleus :haha:

Congrats to the Pumas :yeah: I love watching Pichot play, guy doesn't give his opponents an inch.

LK_22
09-07-2007, 10:56 PM
:haha: it seems France don't only choke in tennis :p

Great effort from the Argies, they deserved the win. They almost blew it at the end, can't believe they went for goal with the penalty. It would've been crazy if France had gone up the other end and scored a try.

That was the right option it was just that the kick wasn't powerful enough as if it hadn't gone over it should have gone out of play

Marine
09-07-2007, 11:04 PM
It's some a french win since most of half of the argentinian team plays in a french club... and 5 in Stade Francçais (Paris club).

adee-gee
09-07-2007, 11:15 PM
They were told by the referee it was not the last play, that was why they went for a goal. If they had thrown it out play would have continued anyway.

Ah ok, didn't know that ;)

LeChuck
09-07-2007, 11:42 PM
Congratulations to Argentina :yeah: . France will easily beat Ireland (Ireland are scared of France), but I could see Argentina losing to Ireland and partially undoing some of their good work today. Hopefully they won't though.

buddyholly
09-07-2007, 11:51 PM
Congratulations to Argentina :yeah: . France will easily beat Ireland (Ireland are scared of France), but I could see Argentina losing to Ireland and partially undoing some of their good work today. Hopefully they won't though.


A great win by the Pumas. Unfortunately, I now see Ireland as underdogs in the group. I don't think Ireland are scared of France, but maybe now France will be even more nervous when they play Ireland.

buddyholly
09-07-2007, 11:53 PM
It's some a french win since most of half of the argentinian team plays in a french club... and 5 in Stade Francçais (Paris club).

Oh, OK then, well played France. Allez!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LeChuck
09-08-2007, 12:15 AM
A great win by the Pumas. Unfortunately, I now see Ireland as underdogs in the group. I don't think Ireland are scared of France, but maybe now France will be even more nervous when they play Ireland.

One thing I have noticed is that Ireland always seem to appear nervous and tentative whenever they play France, and rarely do themselves them justice, but yeah the pressure on France now sky rocketing could help Ireland's cause.

Julio1974
09-08-2007, 01:23 AM
Simply amazing !!! Outstanding effort by Los Pumas :worship: :worship:

I couldn't watch the last minutes. I was too nervous and went for a walk.

Maybe one day Argentina will be taken seriously by the IRB and will help us get into the six nations or in the three nations. I think we deserve it.

vincayou
09-08-2007, 01:32 AM
Good win from Argentina. They should play more than a important international competition every 4 years.
It's a bit gloomy here, the pressure was too strong, it would have been easier to start with an easier opponent.

Julio1974
09-08-2007, 02:07 AM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/rugby/article2363885.ece

Pumas desperate to show off their talent to old order
This World Cup could be critical for Argentina’s long-term future, says Mark SousterMark Souster
Argentina are too polite and so keen not to make waves that they do not question how it is that they end up facing the host country at the World Cup in the opening match for the third successive tournament.

Whatever sense of grievance and injustice they may feel privately - and they have every right to be seething - they keep it to themselves, largely confining their public utterances to how difficult it will be to play France in Paris and how committed they are to making an impression.

For the Pumas, this is not a competition in isolation but one that could have a significant bearing on their long-term future. If they do as well as they and many neutrals think they can, then the case for inclusion in either the Tri-Nations or the Six Nations Championship, the latter being the preferred option, becomes ever more powerful.

“We are looking forward to trying to send a message to the rugby world,” Marcelo Loffreda, their Leicester-bound coach, said. “If we finish third, fourth or fifth we will send that message. We feel we have the capacity and confidence to achieve that aim.”

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It is a disgrace that the world’s leading nations have for so long made all the right noises about the need to bring Argentina into the fold, but have then done very little about it because of political and financial self-interest. Perhaps they are secretly worried about the impact that Argentina could have on their cosy cartel. But the International Rugby Board should be aware that there may well be a new world order at some stage, with Japan, China and perhaps the United States at its forefront.

That, though, is in the future and whether Argentina can wait is a moot point. In the meantime, they plough on manfully, producing a stream of talent that graces the game in the northern hemisphere. Many of them are admired and respected; half their squad play in France.

To achieve Loffreda’s aim will not be easy in a pool that includes Ireland and France. The draw means that a top-six nation will not make the quarter-finals. But the Argentina squad is the most talented and most balanced the country has produced. Beating France and Ireland is not a fanciful notion.

“Rugby has evolved, but in the past four or five years it has become more simple and that has favoured us,” Agustin Pichot, the captain, said. “Rugby is now more aggressive and a little bit more one-dimensional and you can see that in the All Blacks.

“Although they have great skills in their backs, they play really direct rugby. We don’t have the pace of the All Blacks, but we have shown we are a strong side up front and want to keep that aspect and bring the back play that our players are praised so much for in the Heineken Cup.

“Everything about this World Cup will be about the breakdown area, the ruck and the first impact and what speed you can bring from the ruck. The set-piece and lineout will be crucial to playmaking opportunities. We have a very tough group when we will play two of the best five teams in the world and we have to pass that test.”

Felipe Contepomi went as far as anyone towards expressing Argentina’s anger that they have again been set up as fall guys for the host nation, after Wales in 1999 and Australia four years ago. “Perhaps the IRB needs to adjust the qualifying process or the way of making up the pools,” the fly half said. “It’s not a surprise, but we feel we’ve been shafted.” With the results of recent years and with Argentina having greater confidence and self-belief, the old order may be about to face a backlash.

GustavoM_Fan
09-08-2007, 04:11 AM
great argentinian rugby team broadcast here (La Nacion newspaper)
photos, reports, groups, fixtures, a lot of things about this Rugby World Cup
spanish language, but other language speakers should check too

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/coberturaespecial/mundialrugby/destacado.asp?tema_id=5&nota_id=941844


http://www.lanacion.com.ar/anexos/imagen/07/715101.JPG
Ignacio Corletto

Action Jackson
09-08-2007, 08:28 AM
England were the No.1 team at the time, we were better than New Zealand and we proved that then, although they were expected to beat Australia even though the Aussies were hosting


They didn't beat New Zealand did they in that event? Look what happened when they played them in NZ afterwards, then again the Kiwis bring out the pink dresses in the World Cup.

I am sorry just kicking 100 penalties and field goals doesn't make you the best team

Action Jackson
09-08-2007, 08:31 AM
Great result for Pumas and gives the World Cup a good kickstart and hopefully it can build from there.

If the IRB were serious about rugby, they give more development aid to the Argentines and the Pacific Islanders to bring their level up, as the potential is there for sure.

Argentina, in a great world should play in the Tri-Nations, however a more practical option would be join the Six Nations and play their games in Italy or France. Then they would improve at a quicker rate, but this is a great start for the Pumas.

LeChuck
09-08-2007, 08:39 AM
Great result for Pumas and gives the World Cup a good kickstart and hopefully it can build from there.

If the IRB were serious about rugby, they give more development aid to the Argentines and the Pacific Islanders to bring their level up, as the potential is there for sure.

Argentina, in a great world should play in the Tri-Nations, however a more practical option would be join the Six Nations and play their games in Italy or France. Then they would improve at a quicker rate, but this is a great start for the Pumas.

I agree. I remember when England were heavily fined for fielding 16 players against Samoa in the world cup 4 years. That money should have gone towards funding Samoan rugby, rather than the lining the pockets of IRB members.
Argentina should definately participate in a regular annual competition. South Africa have been lobbying for them to be included in the Tri-Nations for years, but I think that New Zealand are dead against it (they don't want the TV money to be split 4 ways instead of 3). South Africa also want the Super 14 to be expanded to accomodate 2 Argentinean clubs I think.

Action Jackson
09-08-2007, 08:44 AM
I agree. I remember when England were heavily fined for fielding 16 players against Samoa in the world cup 4 years. That money should have gone towards funding Samoan rugby, rather than the lining the pockets of IRB members.
Argentina should definately participate in a regular annual competition. South Africa have been lobbying for them to be included in the Tri-Nations for years, but I think that New Zealand are dead against it (they don't want the TV money to be split 4 ways instead of 3). South Africa also want the Super 14 to be expanded to accomodate 2 Argentinean clubs I think.

Argentina have shown they are good enough to play regular international competition and are a very tough to beat in Buenos Aires and the IRB are a bunch of arse clowns, who don't know what's going on and I bet in 20 years nothing will have changed in relation to their international status.

Samoa, Tonga and Fiji could compete as a Pacific Island teams like the West Indies do in cricket, and it's not a lot of them haven't been poached by the Kiwis before.

Action Jackson
09-08-2007, 08:46 AM
A great win by the Pumas. Unfortunately, I now see Ireland as underdogs in the group. I don't think Ireland are scared of France, but maybe now France will be even more nervous when they play Ireland.

Ireland beating the Pumas and losing to France wouldn't be a surprise.

LeChuck
09-08-2007, 08:57 AM
Yeah I definately like the idea of a united Pacific Islanders team competing at world cups.
Fiji and Samoa both did themselves proud in 2003 (Fiji very nearly qualified for the quarter-finals, losing in the deciding match to Scotland by 2 points I think).

LK_22
09-08-2007, 03:13 PM
They didn't beat New Zealand did they in that event? Look what happened when they played them in NZ afterwards, then again the Kiwis bring out the pink dresses in the World Cup.

I am sorry just kicking 100 penalties and field goals doesn't make you the best team

It's quite hard to beat a team if they go out before you get the chance to face them ;) New Zealand crashed out against Australia, we went on to beat them, New Zealand weren't good enough to merit a place in the final they proved that against the Aussies, never mind beat the England 2003 team
England's pack was the best in the world at the time, Jason Robinson was unstoppable, Will Greenwood, the list goes on. We were the best all round team and that's what won us the competition, Martin Johnson was vital in holding that team together not just Jonny's boot

LeChuck
09-08-2007, 03:19 PM
Red hot favourites New Zealand battered Italy 76-12, scoring 11 tries, with Howlett getting a hat-trick and McCaw and Sivivatu scoring two each. They were very impressive from what I heard, although there is still a long way to go yet.

LK_22
09-08-2007, 03:21 PM
Ireland beating the Pumas and losing to France wouldn't be a surprise.

That would be expected you have to fancy a French backlash against Ireland

Yeah I definately like the idea of a united Pacific Islanders team competing at world cups.
Fiji and Samoa both did themselves proud in 2003 (Fiji very nearly qualified for the quarter-finals, losing in the deciding match to Scotland by 2 points I think).

They are both very good teams would be even better if their players didn't get poached by New Zealand in particular, after the top 10 team, these two are the best in rugby, and they deserve to have their own squads

I think Argentina should join the Tri-Nations they are in the Southern hemisphere, the Six Nations is bascially the European Championships in rugby terms, and wouldn't make sense for all the european teams to travel to Argentina to play their away games

LeChuck
09-08-2007, 03:26 PM
I think that the Tri Nations has been expanded by an extra round in non-world cup years (each team playing each other 3 times instead of twice), and from what I've heard, the fans and media in each of the 3 countries don't like the idea at all as they find it boring playing the same teams so often. Introducing Argentina into the mix would give the tournament a lift.

LK_22
09-08-2007, 03:37 PM
I think that the Tri Nations has been expanded by an extra round in non-world cup years (each team playing each other 3 times instead of twice), and from what I've heard, the fans and media in each of the 3 countries don't like the idea at all as they find it boring playing the same teams so often. Introducing Argentina into the mix would give the tournament a lift.

Definitely well said :yeah: it would spice up the Tri-Nations that bit more and would be good to watch them play to see how they would cope, they are clearly the best team not involved in either the Six or Tri Nations

Julio1974
09-08-2007, 03:39 PM
That would be expected you have to fancy a French backlash against Ireland



They are both very good teams would be even better if their players didn't get poached by New Zealand in particular, after the top 10 team, these two are the best in rugby, and they deserve to have their own squads

I think Argentina should join the Tri-Nations they are in the Southern hemisphere, the Six Nations is bascially the European Championships in rugby terms, and wouldn't make sense for all the european teams to travel to Argentina to play their away games

In fact, the idea is that Argentina would play the six nations in Europe (in Belgium as Pichot suggested or in another country) with most of the players who are in Europe. It makes much more sense than playing in the tri nation where Argentina would have to play with the local players because it would be impossible to get the ones who are in Europe.

LeChuck
09-08-2007, 03:44 PM
It's quite hard to beat a team if they go out before you get the chance to face them ;) New Zealand crashed out against Australia, we went on to beat them, New Zealand weren't good enough to merit a place in the final they proved that against the Aussies, never mind beat the England 2003 team
England's pack was the best in the world at the time, Jason Robinson was unstoppable, Will Greenwood, the list goes on. We were the best all round team and that's what won us the competition, Martin Johnson was vital in holding that team together not just Jonny's boot

I think that England's red hot form going into the 2003 world cup started from the Autumn Internationals in 2002, when they beat New Zealand, Australia and South Africa in successive weeks at Twickenham. Then in 2003, they finally claimed the grand slam in the Six Nations, demolishing Ireland at Landsdowne Road in the final match. In the Summer Internationals that year, they travelled to the Southern Hemisphere and recorded away victories against New Zealand (who have won all of their home matches since then) and Australia. Then just before the tournament started, they tore France to shreds in a warm-up match. They certainly looked formidable at that time.

LK_22
09-08-2007, 03:46 PM
In fact, the idea is that Argentina would play the six nations in Europe (in Belgium as Pichot suggested or in another country) with most of the players who are in Europe. It makes much more sense than playing in the tri nation where Argentina would have to play with the local players because it would be impossible to get the ones who are in Europe.

Thanks for that, yeah the logical thing does seem to be the Tri Nations I'm sure if Argentina were to participate in either competition they would want to play their homes games in Argentina and so they should.

LK_22
09-08-2007, 03:59 PM
I think that England's red hot form going into the 2003 world cup started from the Autumn Internationals in 2002, when they beat New Zealand, Australia and South Africa in successive weeks at Twickenham. Then in 2003, they finally claimed the grand slam in the Six Nations, demolishing Ireland at Landsdowne Road in the final match. In the Summer Internationals that year, they travelled to the Southern Hemisphere and recorded away victories against New Zealand (who have won all of their home matches since then) and Australia. Then just before the tournament started, they tore France to shreds in a warm-up match. They certainly looked formidable at that time.

Nicely put :yeah: all of those looking back just set England up perfectly for the World Cup, really beat everyone the year before all we needed to do was do it at the World Cup which thankfully we did :D

Haile Selassie
09-08-2007, 06:31 PM
Vamos Argentina!

adee-gee
09-09-2007, 12:13 AM
Impressive display from England today :haha:

bad gambler
09-09-2007, 12:16 AM
Mighty England to win the world cup based on their easy win against USA!!!

MatchFederer
09-09-2007, 03:23 AM
The respective nations showcase their usual strengths and weaknesses.

NZ - Offensively excellent... Good running lines and excellent basics in drawing the man on a slightly inside line and efficient offloading. Clinical finishing and the usual complacency resulting in some poor defensive lapses.

Aus - Attacking very directly around the fringes and through the mid channels. Good footballing skills as always from the likes of Larkham and Giteau and as per usual have 2 decent goal-kickers on the pitch. Usual excellent flanker work from Smith.

England - Predictable, boring, uninventive, unimaginative (So the usual then). Promising performance on the whole from Ollie Barkley but the team on the pitch must have averaged about 31 years, and they looked it... old, ragged and slow.

Tomorrow is a great day, 4 matches to watch... and a US Open Final (need to fit the Grand Prix in there somewhere too) :p

EDIT:

I hope New Zealand win this thing. I also hope for a decent attempt from England at defending the title. Also in response to a few posts in this thread... Englands form was formidable leading up to the World Cup in 2003. The pack was efficient and powerful and the backline solid and very capable of manufacturing tries against the other respective top teams at the time. Jonny Wilkinson and Martin Johnson were simply immense and Matt Dawson was a vastly underrated scrum half.

In my mind, NZ at the time were equals AT BEST. Their recent form in the tri-nations at the time was impressive, but it was clear to me they lacked the leadership qualities (or at least they had not been proven) that would definitely be required in the latter stages of a World Cup: something England had in spades.

I picked Australia in that semi-final and I veen predicted that the game might hinge on a fuck up from Carlos Spencer... who can be a complete idiot. For once, my prediction was right on the money.

bad gambler
09-09-2007, 03:35 AM
NZ played spectacular rugby in the first 40min of their game against Italy, if they can replicate that type of performance against the better nations its all over.

Australia were rusty and unimpressive in the first half and second half simply took advantage of the tired Japanese so really can't gauge anything from that performance.

England's performance was unispiring to say the least. There were no excuses for them not to have won by 30+ They are going to be in for a long day when they get beaten up by the Boks later in the tournament. England have a better chance of winning the upcoming 20/20 cricket world cup than the rugby one.

LeChuck
09-09-2007, 07:20 AM
England were truly abysmal yesterday. I'm not basing this assumption solely on yesterday's performance, but I can't see them making it past the quarter-finals.

Action Jackson
09-09-2007, 07:25 AM
NZ, well they gave the Italians a touch up, this is event is theirs for the taking. If not then Henry is going to get sacked.

LK_22
09-09-2007, 12:46 PM
Mighty England to win the world cup based on their easy win against USA!!!

It was easy to win :p just not convincingly
On that display we will do well to make the quarter finals, Samoa must fancy their chances based on that display

adee-gee
09-09-2007, 03:19 PM
England have a better chance of winning the upcoming 20/20 cricket world cup than the rugby one.
I think their chances are equally slim in both ;)

Action Jackson
09-09-2007, 03:21 PM
Canada played very well, but the usual thing with the minnow sides, they can handle it for 60 minutes and then the pro teams get them with conditioning.

Wales what a convincing performance this was.

adee-gee
09-09-2007, 09:03 PM
Pretty awful start from all the British (+ Irish) teams :o

bad gambler
09-09-2007, 09:11 PM
Nth Hemisphere teams are just making up the numbers this tournament

NZ/Sth Africa/Australia - take your pick as to the eventual champions

adee-gee
09-09-2007, 09:17 PM
You're dismissing Scotland's chances?! :speakles:

Did you not see those 28 unanswered points in the 2nd half? :worship:

bad gambler
09-09-2007, 09:27 PM
You're dismissing Scotland's chances?! :speakles:

Did you not see those 28 unanswered points in the 2nd half? :worship:

Ok they are better than Ireland, Wales & England.... happy? :p

adee-gee
09-09-2007, 10:51 PM
Ok they are better than Ireland, Wales & England.... happy? :p

Just wait till we beat the All Blacks, that'll get you impressed :cool:

Naide
09-09-2007, 11:05 PM
:haha: it seems France don't only choke in tennis :p



:ras:

LK_22
09-09-2007, 11:34 PM
Ok they are better than Ireland, Wales & England.... happy? :p

Look at the World Rankings and they are the worst ;) :p

adee-gee
09-10-2007, 12:59 AM
:ras:
Sorry dear :hug:

Hopefully they choke again on Wednesday in the footy :p
Look at the World Rankings and they are the worst ;) :p
World rankings mean shit ;)

Action Jackson
09-10-2007, 02:52 AM
Namibia were unlucky.

Enjoy Incubus
09-10-2007, 04:04 AM
Namibia were unlucky.
So unlucky... they played so well, it will be hard for us to beat them.
That kick of the Irish guys:hearts:

buddyholly
09-11-2007, 01:25 AM
What happened to Rugby Union? I have been away from it for a long while and now it looks like Rugby League, on the path to becoming American football. It all seems so structured; run, get tackled, lie down, scrum half gets the ball, run again...... It seems to me like the new rules make it almost impossible for the other team to get the ball after a tackle. Stopped clocks, video replays etc. etc. Why don't they just take things to the logical conclusion and have huddles after each tackle?
It looks nothing like I used to see at Lansdowne Road many years ago. It will not be long before we see tackled players rolling around on the ground clutching their limbs and petitioning the ref for a penalty.

NyGeL
09-11-2007, 01:29 AM
I had the luck to watch Argentina-France in Paris (at Hotel De Ville park) and then spend the night celebrating with fellow countryman's and with french girl xD

I will upload pics and videos later :p

I belive that Ireland can beat France and take them off their own world cup, and that we must do our best against the irish to have an easy QF match (Italy or Scotland). In that case I can see Argentina winning the SF like we did against France, with pure heart, motivaton and confidance.

But I'm afraid against Ireland, but I totally trust this team!!!

VAMOS ARGENTINA!!!

Action Jackson
09-11-2007, 05:30 AM
Just hope the Argentines don't take it too easy against Namibia.

LK_22
09-11-2007, 10:07 AM
World rankings mean shit ;)

:lol: Look who was ranked No.1 last time and who won?
New Zealand are No.1 this time and I know I wouldn't bet against them ;)

Action Jackson
09-13-2007, 10:10 AM
Good to see the schedule is there to help the big teams and that Argentina get less rest between their matches than France and Ireland. Love rugby politics at is best.

Fiji and Japan, well the Fijians almost blew it and Romania battled hard against the Italians.

LK_22
09-13-2007, 04:26 PM
Fiji and Japan, well the Fijians almost blew it and Romania battled hard against the Italians.

They did :lol: shows Japan are coming on a bit more, I thought Romania would get fairly close to Italy especially as Italy see to be really struggling at the moment but still nice to see Romania closing the gap. Scotland's place in QF seems very likely now
And Tonga managed to beat the USA, England need to wake up like our football team has, definitely worth mixing the team up a bit

adee-gee
09-14-2007, 10:48 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

This England team is good :worship:

Albop
09-14-2007, 10:50 PM
england really sucks in this WC

bad gambler
09-14-2007, 10:54 PM
Samoa will beat England to knock them out at the pool stages

Albop
09-14-2007, 10:56 PM
Samoa will beat England to knock them out at the pool stages

:rocker2:

Jaap
09-14-2007, 11:00 PM
England sucks. They should come home now.

Oh well, at least we have won the world cup unlike most of the mug nations at this world cup. :haha:

LK_22
09-14-2007, 11:02 PM
A few misses here and there and this match could have gone either way..... :p
Sadly no suprise in the result, a piss poor performance I just hope Jason Robinson can play again in an England shirt as he doesn't deserve to go out like that, the only half decent performance in a white shirt tonight
Now more than ever I think Samoa will turn over England unless something signficant happens between now and then
A completely dominated Southern Hemisphere World Cup so far, looks like it will stay that way

Jaap
09-14-2007, 11:05 PM
Who said we we wasn't the best team in 2003? :rolleyes:

We won the grand slam, beat Australia x 2 and New Zealand in their own backyards and won the world cup.

No one could touch us between 2002-03.

bad gambler
09-14-2007, 11:05 PM
A few misses here and there and this match could have gone either way..... :p
Sadly no suprise in the result, a piss poor performance I just hope Jason Robinson can play again in an England shirt as he doesn't deserve to go out like that, the only half decent performance in a white shirt tonight
Now more than ever I think Samoa will turn over England unless something signficant happens between now and then
A completely dominated Southern Hemisphere World Cup so far, looks like it will stay that way

Agree about Robinson, he was one player who tried his heart out. I really wish he didn't comeback to international rugby after retiring, really had nothing more to prove.

LK_22
09-14-2007, 11:48 PM
Agree about Robinson, he was one player who tried his heart out. I really wish he didn't comeback to international rugby after retiring, really had nothing more to prove.

Definitely agree with that, one of the best players to ever wear an England shirt
After the World Cup maybe England can stop looking at 2003 so the future squad can finally move on and progress, SA waited four long years for tonight's match, looks like England will have to do the same, but will be worth if we are serious contenders once more

A complete overall across the board is needed
Who knows we might still win the world cup we aren't out yet.... ;) :p

ryan23
09-15-2007, 01:30 AM
Yep Robinson tried his heart out real shame- as isaid in another thread we just havent got the world class players that the likes of South Africa have, Australia or south africa will win the tourney i my opinion,i would say New zealand cause they have a awesome team but they always choke when it comes to these big events and they always lose when it matters

ryan23
09-15-2007, 01:32 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

This England team is good :worship:

Theres always a Scot to laugh at us when we lose big style :D

i wont mention any good results we have had against your team m8 ;)

Action Jackson
09-15-2007, 09:54 AM
Jason Robinson standing out amongst the crap.

Action Jackson
09-15-2007, 10:04 AM
Who said we we wasn't the best team in 2003? :rolleyes:

We won the grand slam, beat Australia x 2 and New Zealand in their own backyards and won the world cup.

No one could touch us between 2002-03.

You probably get a hard on watching Rob Andrew and Jonny Wilkinson's 100 best penalty and field goals.

elessar
09-16-2007, 03:00 AM
Anyone heard what the New Zealand team did after they destroyed portugal ?

McCaw and Dan Carter came into the portuguese locker room telling them not to feel too bad about the defeat because rugby was THE sport in New Zealand and that they heard that it was football for portugal, so they gave asked them if they wanted to play a football match in the very same stadium. Portugal agreed and won 2-1 !

I already had the highest respect for the new zealand team but I thought this was a really beautiful gesture, hope they win the cup, they certainly deserves it :worship:

Action Jackson
09-16-2007, 08:59 AM
Anyone heard what the New Zealand team did after they destroyed portugal ?

McCaw and Dan Carter came into the portuguese locker room telling them not to feel too bad about the defeat because rugby was THE sport in New Zealand and that they heard that it was football for portugal, so they gave asked them if they wanted to play a football match in the very same stadium. Portugal agreed and won 2-1 !

I already had the highest respect for the new zealand team but I thought this was a really beautiful gesture, hope they win the cup, they certainly deserves it :worship:

Is there a link for this?

Yes, that is a great gesture.

LeChuck
09-16-2007, 11:13 AM
Ireland were truly abysmal yesterday and scraped past Georgia 14-10.

bad gambler
09-16-2007, 11:15 AM
Nothing new, Nth Hemishpere teams have been sucking it up this tournament.

Wales were completely manhandled by the Wallabies blitz defense, a couple of yellow cards at the end made the score a little more respectable

This tournament really needs France to step up because the other 5 'home nations" aren't going to do it.

Action Jackson
09-16-2007, 11:17 AM
Just hope NZ is the Southern Hemisphere team to win. I'd hate if the Boks won, though they have more speed out wide than they used to have and they are using the ball.

LeChuck
09-16-2007, 11:26 AM
Australia are the experts at playing terrible rugby in-between world cups, but then getting it right when it really matters. They have a free pass into the semis now I would have thought.
France are the only members of the the traditional 'big 5' nations not to have won this competition, losing in a couple of finals in the past. However I hope that All Blacks win the title, as their style of rugby is awesome to watch. I do think that in a one-off and crunch match, Australia, South Africa, and possibly France, are capable of toppling New Zealand, but then again this is the strongest squad that the All Blacks have had for a long, long time.

bad gambler
09-16-2007, 11:37 AM
I think Canada might beat Fiji today ;)

Action Jackson
09-16-2007, 06:23 PM
Great win for the Tongans over the Samoans, especially when down to 13 players.

Julio1974
09-16-2007, 08:15 PM
I think Canada might beat Fiji today ;)

They were so damm close. They really deserved to win. It's unbelievable how they lost the ball in the last minute.

Georgia was also so close from beating Ireland. I have the feeling the Irish will be crushed by France and then they will play their best match against Argentina.

LK_22
09-16-2007, 09:57 PM
Great win for the Tongans over the Samoans, especially when down to 13 players.

Very impressive, a dissapointing result for the Samoans they had a real chance to get to the quarter finals, looks like England now face two challenging games
Ireland are really trying hard to lose I think they will manage too very soon

NZ, SA, Australia in that order for teams to win the World Cup, should be a SA NZ final

Marine
09-16-2007, 10:22 PM
France defeated Namibia 87/10 ;)
One win, yes !
Sebastien Chabal and JB Ellisalde, thanks :worship:

psichogaucho
09-16-2007, 11:13 PM
Ireland were truly abysmal yesterday and scraped past Georgia 14-10.

poor, disappointing performance :(

bad gambler
09-17-2007, 12:28 AM
They were so damm close. They really deserved to win. It's unbelievable how they lost the ball in the last minute.

Georgia was also so close from beating Ireland. I have the feeling the Irish will be crushed by France and then they will play their best match against Argentina.

Yep felt sorry for them, were 4m out with no time on the clock left and didn't have the composure to get across the line instead turning it over and resulting in a try. I guess that comes with experience.

Action Jackson
09-17-2007, 04:42 AM
The minnow nations have done really so far, too bad the IRB won't pour some money into them to help the further improvement.

maldini
09-17-2007, 09:43 AM
France defeated Namibia 87/10 ;)
One win, yes !
Sebastien Chabal and JB Ellisalde, thanks :worship:

Chabal :yeah: his try was really :eek: :cool:

ellisalde kicked well;)

adee-gee
09-19-2007, 12:47 AM
Scotland 42-0 Romania :smoke:

Now watch us rest our whole team for the match against New Zealand :lol:

Julio1974
09-22-2007, 03:03 AM
France easily beat Ireland but did not get the extra point. If Argentina gets the extra point tomorrow, Ireland is in trouble.

jayjay
09-22-2007, 03:36 AM
I hope Ireland enjoy their wins over Georgia and Namibia.

I hope the Irish took my advice. :wavey:

bad gambler
09-22-2007, 03:52 AM
France easily beat Ireland but did not get the extra point. If Argentina gets the extra point tomorrow, Ireland is in trouble.

Unless Ireland get a bonus point against Argentina which the won't, they are out of the cup.

psichogaucho
09-22-2007, 07:33 AM
Ireland :sad:

I only hope these guys won't remember how to play against us...

Action Jackson
09-22-2007, 12:31 PM
Just hope the Argies don't fuck this up from here.

Marine
09-22-2007, 01:29 PM
Allez les bleussssssssss

Good win ! Great try, Michalak and Clerc :worship:

DrJules
09-22-2007, 03:03 PM
Nth Hemisphere teams are just making up the numbers this tournament

NZ/Sth Africa/Australia - take your pick as to the eventual champions

Agree about New Zealand and South Africa, but Australia are also just making up the numbers.

Cannot see beyond New Zealand or South Africa to win with possibly France achieving a shock result, but not winning it.

DrJules
09-22-2007, 03:21 PM
They didn't beat New Zealand did they in that event? Look what happened when they played them in NZ afterwards, then again the Kiwis bring out the pink dresses in the World Cup.

I am sorry just kicking 100 penalties and field goals doesn't make you the best team

It does if you keep scoring more points than the opponents.

Clive Woodward and the England team went to the 2003 World Cup to win not entertain.

Tactically and strategically Clive Woodward put together a winning formulae; in Jonny Wilkinson Clive had a player who could accurately kick a penalty from almost anywhere in the opponents half of the field and, therefore, the team focused on getting penalty chances.

Julio1974
09-22-2007, 03:22 PM
I'm really impressed by Tonga. They were so close from beating South Africa today.

Action Jackson
09-22-2007, 03:24 PM
It does if you keep scoring more points than the opponents.

Clive Woodward and the England team went to the 2003 World Cup to win not entertain.

Tactically and strategically Clive Woodward put together a winning formulae; in Jonny Wilkinson Clive had a player who could accurately kick a penalty from almost anywhere in the opponents half of the field and, therefore, the team focused on getting penalty chances.

It's not rugby, but they won't be winning this World Cup with that kind of rubbish.

LeChuck
09-22-2007, 07:12 PM
I've always thought of Tonga as being the weakest out of the 3 Pacific Islander countries, but they have been excellent so far at this tournament, and well done to them.
I prefer Argentina to France and Ireland, but then again I don't want the Springboks to reach the final, and the only way I would get my wish would be if France finished top in their group (I would make France the favourites to beat South Africa if they were to meet). France hammering Georgia, and Ireland narrowly beating Argentina would be ideal (Argentina would still go through unless Ireland beat them scoring either 4 or 5 tries in the process I think).

Marine
09-22-2007, 08:33 PM
MacEnroe, Guy Forget and Thomas Muster were at France / Ireland yesterday.

Julio1974
09-22-2007, 09:07 PM
Argentina got the bonus point and Ireland will need 4 tries to get to the next round.

adee-gee
09-23-2007, 02:14 AM
Nice to see England going back to their old ways and winning matches with penalties and drop goals now that Wilkinson is back :zzz:

The All Blacks should run up in at least 10 tries tomorrow against Scotland B :lol:

jayjay
09-23-2007, 02:49 AM
Argentina got the bonus point and Ireland will need 4 tries to get to the next round.

That's not all they need, they must; score 4 tries, beat us by more than 7pts and make sure we don't score 4 tries.

adee-gee
09-23-2007, 07:12 PM
Good effort from the Scots today :cool:

DrJules
09-23-2007, 08:18 PM
Good effort from the Scots today :cool:

Most in England enjoyed the New Zealand 40-0 defeat of Scotland.:lol: :lol: :lol:

I am not under any illusion that this England is not anywhere near as good as their 2003 World Cup winning side.

Black Adam
09-23-2007, 09:58 PM
New Zealand need to fix their act. They could have done more with a b side Scotland. I just hope they are saving the best for the last, they haven't played well enough to scare everybody into just handing the trophy to them.

LK_22
09-26-2007, 12:36 PM
I'm really impressed by Tonga. They were so close from beating South Africa today.

Same I watched them at Twickenham at the 99 World Cup and we destroyed them, scored over 100 points and that was with our 99 team

Nice to see England going back to their old ways and winning matches with penalties and drop goals now that Wilkinson is back :zzz:


You must have missed those four tries then ;)

Action Jackson
09-26-2007, 12:39 PM
Canada and Japan, too bad they had a draw, they didn't embarrass themselves in the event.

adee-gee
09-26-2007, 12:39 PM
You must have missed those four tries then ;)
2 in the last few minutes when Samoa were throwing caution to the wind barely counts ;)

This WC is too long, it's almost becoming like the cricket WC. Too many shit matches, too many days without games....only football is interesting enough to be able to have a tournament lasting over a month.

scarecrows
09-26-2007, 02:19 PM
why does the WCH in rugby last so long?

it is around 1 month already and they arent even in the quarters

ReturnWinner
09-26-2007, 03:35 PM
why does the WCH in rugby last so long?

it is around 1 month already and they arent even in the quarters

I guess that is related to the great physical effort needed for players in every match

LeChuck
09-26-2007, 04:26 PM
I've heard rumours that the IRB want to reduce the number of teams competing at the Rugby World Cup from 20 to 16 in 2011.

Action Jackson
09-28-2007, 06:22 AM
The IRB reducing the teams, well this time around the minnows haven't embarrassed themselves and they won't get any better unless they play the top teams.

It's not like it's that easy to recover quickly from a rugby game.

buddyholly
09-28-2007, 03:11 PM
why does the WCH in rugby last so long?



I agree. The Argentina v France match already seems like a previous World Cup.

It can't be that energy-sapping that they need a week to recover, surely.
Actual playing time per match is probably only about 20 minutes. The rest of the time the backs are just standing around watching the forwards lying in a heap on the ground.

adee-gee
09-28-2007, 04:10 PM
Good luck to Tonga tonight :smoke:

LK_22
09-28-2007, 04:15 PM
2 in the last few minutes when Samoa were throwing caution to the wind barely counts ;)


:lol: So a try late on don't count then? Every try counts regardless of when it's scored, and how the opposition are apparently playing, they still get rewarded 5 points for it

DrJules
09-28-2007, 10:32 PM
England 36 Tonga 20 including 16 from the great Jonny Wilkinson who is now only 6 points short of Gavin Hastings' World Cup record of 227 points. He should score them against Australia.

bad gambler
09-28-2007, 10:37 PM
Australia v England quarter finals in Marseille

Time for some revenge

bad gambler
09-28-2007, 10:41 PM
Good luck to Tonga tonight :smoke:

Forza Azzurri!!!!!!!! :devil:

adee-gee
09-28-2007, 11:26 PM
Forza Azzurri!!!!!!!! :devil:

Excuse me :armed:

I'll be supporting the Aussies next week, how about some love for the Scots in return ;)

LK_22
09-29-2007, 10:16 AM
Despite the scoreline I can finally say that England had a decent game against Tonga, the right individuals were paired together well and there were good performances all over the park.
Australia are still big favourites for this Quarter Final and should win the game but on this performance it gives us slightly better chance than I originally thought
Well done England and Tonga, impressive World Cup from them :yeah:

maldini
09-29-2007, 03:09 PM
Forza Azzurri!!!!!!!! :devil:

:yeah:

although i could live with a rugby defeat if italy wins the football match :p

Action Jackson
09-29-2007, 05:49 PM
Great win by Fiji over Wales, good for the game and just needs Argentina to beat the Irish now.

LK_22
09-29-2007, 08:38 PM
Great win by Fiji over Wales, good for the game and just needs Argentina to beat the Irish now.

Definitely, Fiji deserve their place in the last eight and so do Argentina. Although I'll be rooting for Ireland, it would now almost be a shock if Argentina lost to Ireland considering their contrasting fortunes at this World Cup

l_mac
09-29-2007, 09:33 PM
The Scotland vs Italy match is very tense.

edited: Scotland won 18-16. :D

adee-gee
09-30-2007, 08:46 AM
:rocker2:

C'mon the Scots :banana:

scarecrows
09-30-2007, 08:48 AM
not even a try
what a miserable team :p

Action Jackson
09-30-2007, 08:55 AM
:rocker2:

C'mon the Scots :banana:

Well done on that English style performance. Time to book the flights back to Scotland.

bad gambler
09-30-2007, 08:55 AM
:rocker2:

C'mon the Scots :banana:

All luck this Scotland team

bad gambler
09-30-2007, 08:57 AM
Looks like France have resigned to the fact that they can't top the group as they have rested all their guns today against the mighty Georgians

Action Jackson
09-30-2007, 09:01 AM
Likely QFs

Aussies vs England
NZ vs France
South Africa vs Fiji
Scotland vs Argentina

bad gambler
09-30-2007, 09:05 AM
By the way well done to the Fijians :hatoff:

jayjay
09-30-2007, 06:15 PM
:wavey: Ireland

Scotland you're next, it looks like this... :wavey:

DrJules
09-30-2007, 07:35 PM
:rocker2:

C'mon the Scots :banana:

Impressive performance by Chris Paterson.

Now make most of your opportunity to reach the semi-final; you are in by far the weakest quarter final and have avoided the big four - New Zealand, South Africa, Australia and France.

Jaap
09-30-2007, 08:00 PM
Scotland vs Argentina quarter final. Looking forward to that one. :zzz:

France and NZ should be a cracker. Hopefully we will see a repeat of the classic from 1999. Got a feeling the French are going to shock the all Blacks. Just a shame they have to meet so early, although France have only themselves to blame for choking on the opening night.

In the other quarter finals, Australia and SA should easily dispatch their opponents.

adee-gee
09-30-2007, 09:07 PM
Impressive performance by Chris Paterson.

Now make most of your opportunity to reach the semi-final; you are in by far the weakest quarter final and have avoided the big four - New Zealand, South Africa, Australia and France.

Agreed, but Argentina are strong favourites to beat us judging by their form....But we'll give it a good shot I'm sure :)

adee-gee
09-30-2007, 09:15 PM
I saw a dude who looked so much like Bernard Laporte on the train last night I couldn't resist taking a sneaky picture :lol:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y179/adeegee/DSC00189.jpg

Jaap
09-30-2007, 09:21 PM
Argentina are boring to watch. Funny how Whitler always whinges about the style of play England employed during the world cup in 03 yet Argentina employing similar kicking/defending tactics, yet he loves them. Then again Whitler does get a hard on for anything Argentinian.

rocketassist
10-01-2007, 12:00 AM
Rugby league is where it's that. You can't just win with kicking drop goals and penalties, it's tries that win you the games.

As for this WC, seeing the Gymraeg go out was funny so the rugby-loving media in Wales can shush and the plastic rugby fans can stop singing oggy oggy oggy and go back to sheep shearing.

Action Jackson
10-01-2007, 04:49 AM
Argentina are boring to watch. Funny how Whitler always whinges about the style of play England employed during the world cup in 03 yet Argentina employing similar kicking/defending tactics, yet he loves them. Then again Whitler does get a hard on for anything Argentinian.

No English fan should ever complain about another team playing boring rugby they invented it and made into an artform.

Go back to bitching about match fixing. What Argentina didn't score tries and not running in late ones when teams are tired.

LeChuck
10-01-2007, 09:14 AM
South Africa will be loving this. They have an easy path to the final (as good as Argentina are, while they have an excellent record against Northern Hemiphere sides, they are scared of the big 3 sides from the Southern Hemisphere), while their 3 main title rivals, New Zealand, Australia and France are all in the other half of the knockout draw. I would expect New Zealand to beat France in the quarters. Hilariously, that big match will take place in Cardiff, so France won't have home advantage.

LK_22
10-01-2007, 12:10 PM
South Africa will be loving this. They have an easy path to the final (as good as Argentina are, while they have an excellent record against Northern Hemiphere sides, they are scared of the big 3 sides from the Southern Hemisphere), while their 3 main title rivals, New Zealand, Australia and France are all in the other half of the knockout draw. I would expect New Zealand to beat France in the quarters. Hilariously, that big match will take place in Cardiff, so France won't have home advantage.

Definitely South Africa will be pleased with that, Argentina will get found out in the Semis, if Italy had a decent kicker, Scotland wouldn't even had got to the quarter finals and that QF tie is easily the weakest of the lot.
New Zealand vs France being in Cardiff must be the icing on the cake for NZ, still shaping up for a NZ vs SA final
Was good to see England backs playing well against Tonga again, particularly Sackey, and if Jonny was on top form scoreline wise we would have blown them away.
It's a good job England can always score tries then

bad gambler
10-01-2007, 12:38 PM
The All Blacks are going to really give the French a hammering IMO especially after the things Laporte said in the media during France's tour of New Zealand earlier this season

LeChuck
10-01-2007, 12:56 PM
France made their shirts darker blue, in order that they would deliberately clash with New Zealand's back, so that if the two teams met (which will be the case, although perhaps earlier than expected), there will be a coin toss to decide which team gets to wear their first choice shirts, so that there is a 50-50 chance that New Zealand won't be lining up in their all black kit.
Hopefully England will give Australia a decent match, although I would expect the Wallabies to be too strong for them, and another Australia-NZ semi-final clash really would be very exciting. New Zealand fear Australia more than any other side I would say.
Fiji reaching the quarters is great for rugby, as it is nice to see different teams doing well, and I love their brand of rugby. I wish New Zealand wouldn't poach their best players.
I wanted a France-South Africa semi. France would have been the favourites to win that match, as in addition to home advantage they have had a good record against the Springboks over the course of this decade. It's a shame that we won't get it, although it is very nice to see the Pumas playing so well. Hopefully they will beat Scotland.

maf
10-01-2007, 06:21 PM
France made their shirts darker blue, in order that they would deliberately clash with New Zealand's back, so that if the two teams met (which will be the case, although perhaps earlier than expected), there will be a coin toss to decide which team gets to wear their first choice shirts, so that there is a 50-50 chance that New Zealand won't be lining up in their all black kit.
Hopefully England will give Australia a decent match, although I would expect the Wallabies to be too strong for them, and another Australia-NZ semi-final clash really would be very exciting. New Zealand fear Australia more than any other side I would say.
Fiji reaching the quarters is great for rugby, as it is nice to see different teams doing well, and I love their brand of rugby. I wish New Zealand wouldn't poach their best players.
I wanted a France-South Africa semi. France would have been the favourites to win that match, as in addition to home advantage they have had a good record against the Springboks over the course of this decade. It's a shame that we won't get it, although it is very nice to see the Pumas playing so well. Hopefully they will beat Scotland.


We won the toss :dance: , maybe we will do better if they don't look like the all blacks :scared:

*julie*
10-01-2007, 07:37 PM
The All Blacks are going to really give the French a hammering IMO especially after the things Laporte said in the media during France's tour of New Zealand earlier this season

I must have missed it. What did he say?

DrJules
10-01-2007, 10:08 PM
Scotland vs Argentina quarter final. Looking forward to that one. :zzz:

France and NZ should be a cracker. Hopefully we will see a repeat of the classic from 1999. Got a feeling the French are going to shock the all Blacks. Just a shame they have to meet so early, although France have only themselves to blame for choking on the opening night.

In the other quarter finals, Australia and SA should easily dispatch their opponents.

Probably best chance France have of beating New Zealand; no final pressure and no crowd pressure.

A France victory would certainly make the World Cup more open.

DrJules
10-01-2007, 10:10 PM
Argentina are boring to watch. Funny how Whitler always whinges about the style of play England employed during the world cup in 03 yet Argentina employing similar kicking/defending tactics, yet he loves them. Then again Whitler does get a hard on for anything Argentinian.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Hendu
10-02-2007, 12:28 AM
I have been away from the computer lately, but I felt like coming back to post this picture... it really shows how the game went.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/josepe06/argentinairlanda.jpg

Thats Argentina's second captain Gonzalo Longo and Irish lock O'Callaghan.

jayjay
10-02-2007, 03:21 AM
Argentina are boring to watch.

Martin Hernandez is so boring to watch, isn't he? :yeah:

Argentina strong in the pack, strong in the kicking game, able to counter very well. We're not New Zealand, that's a shame, no one else is.

jayjay
10-02-2007, 03:22 AM
I have been away from the computer lately, but I felt like coming back to post this picture... it really shows how the game went.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/josepe06/argentinairlanda.jpg

Thats Argentina's second captain Gonzalo Longo and Irish lock O'Callaghan.

:lol: Welcome back. :) :wavey:

jayjay
10-02-2007, 03:36 AM
Now make most of your opportunity to reach the semi-final; you are in by far the weakest quarter final and have avoided the big four - New Zealand, South Africa, Australia and France.

Still no respect for Argentina?

France are in the "big 4" and we own them. Argentina aren't consistently as good as those sides, but currently we're at least the 5th best side in the world (and arguably better than France, results say it).

Scotland are not in the weakest QF (there is little or no difference in the gulf currently between us and the Scots and say...Australia and England), they're up against a side that is far superior to theirs. They'll be lucky to stay within 10.

Argentina 35 Paterson 12

We're going to the final where we will either get pasted by the All Blacks or beat France (again, for the 18,484th time in the past few years).

LinkMage
10-02-2007, 03:55 AM
We can get past the Scots but the Springboks will kill us.

ReturnWinner
10-02-2007, 05:07 AM
Still no respect for Argentina?

France are in the "big 4" and we own them. Argentina aren't consistently as good as those sides, but currently we're at least the 5th best side in the world (and arguably better than France, results say it).

Scotland are not in the weakest QF (there is little or no difference in the gulf currently between us and the Scots and say...Australia and England), they're up against a side that is far superior to theirs. They'll be lucky to stay within 10.

Argentina 35 Paterson 12

We're going to the final where we will either get pasted by the All Blacks or beat France (again, for the 18,484th time in the past few years).


he is just bitter because Argentina is a good team which beat two very good teams like French and Ireland are, and its a decent threat to the best teams

Action Jackson
10-02-2007, 06:09 AM
Must suck for some people that 2 teams with amateurs in them have made the last 8.

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/rugbyworldcup2007/story/0,,2181518,00.html

England stay cool as Australians warm up their put-downs


Four days before the crucial Marseille quarter-final and the sledging is well under way, writes Robert Kitson

Tuesday October 2, 2007
The Guardian

The history of Anglo-Australian sport is full of verbal jousts, sarcastic put-downs and calculated wind-ups and the spirit of Captain Cook, Douglas Jardine, Rod Marsh, Eddie Jones and David Campese is very much alive in the south of France. Days before the two countries collide in Saturday's World Cup quarter-final, and Pom-bashing is reaching unsustainable levels.

Even some senior members of the Wallaby camp have been less than impressed at the latest contribution from John O'Neill, the chief executive of the Australian Rugby Union, who has renewed his foam-flecked attack on all things English. It is O'Neill's view that his compatriots "all hate England" when it comes to sport and that he is simply "stating the bleeding obvious" by saying so.

"Sadly this is all a by-product of their born-to-rule mentality," he told the Sydney Daily Telegraph. "It's been there for a long time now and nothing has changed."

Campese has been in familiar rant-mode - "It would be the worst thing for rugby if the Wallabies don't beat England next week" - and the former Australian coach Jones, now with South Africa, has also backed his old mates.

"Australia has been one of the most impressive teams in the preliminary rounds," he said yesterday. "England have improved near the end of the pool rounds, but have struggled to find cohesion or form. Australia are pretty warm favourites. They will win and win well."

The Wallaby wing Lote Tuqiri, meanwhile, has lobbed in his 10 cents-worth by suggesting Jason Robinson was the only English three-quarter capable of worrying Australia.

"He is probably their main attacking weapon and probably the only world-class back they have playing in form at the moment," he said, before helpfully adding: "There's your ammo, boys . . ." Short of Austin Healey dressing up in a wombat costume and riding a unicycle into the Wallaby team hotel it could scarcely get any sillier.

The Australian coaching panel, even so, recognises that sledging this particular opponent - in French the verb is "chambrer" - is not necessarily the brightest move. Significantly, the Wallaby forwards coach Michael Foley, once of Bath, was one of those to distance himself from O'Neill's remarks last night.

"I'm not sure how many people John's speaking for. I enjoyed my time living in England and there some friends of mine in the opposition . . . I'm not quite sure what he's talking about."

England's players, for their part, are steadfastly refusing to get involved, not least those who were around in 2003 when one local newspaper printed a cut-out-and-keep Jonny Wilkinson voodoo doll and invited readers to honk their car horns outside England's team hotel in Manly the night before the Sydney final. "It's four years on and most of the team has changed. It means nothing now, we need to move on and think about the future," said the lock Ben Kay yesterday. "We've known for ages we're 'boring' so we're quite happy.

"When I first started playing against them [Australia] it would have perhaps got under my skin but I've got a lot of Australian mates and they're all like that. I don't think the players will be too upset about anything that's come out of the Australian camp - I think it's quite funny really."

Of more relevance is the make-up of the starting XV, which England have deferred announcing until tomorrow. Jason Robinson was fit to train yesterday and should start and England could do worse than opt for a target man capable of keeping the Australian midfield honest. In that event, Leicester's Danny Hipkiss could get the nod opposite the strapping figure of Stirling Mortlock.

What to do at inside centre is another conundrum, with Olly Barkley not enjoying the greatest of games against Tonga. England will want to get at young Berrick Barnes and it could just be that Andy Farrell's extra physicality and big-game temperament will be called upon.

Maybe, too, this is the moment to shift the admirable Martin Corry into the second row and play both Lewis Moody, who missed training as a precaution yesterday, and Tom Rees to inject some extra pace into the back row against George Smith and company.

In that way England would still have plenty of lineout expertise at their disposal and anything they can do to make the Wallabies think twice and unsettle Barnes is worth a try.

Action Jackson
10-02-2007, 06:11 AM
We can get past the Scots but the Springboks will kill us.

If they make the semis that is good enough and already the bitching has started from the Northern Hemisphere, whining that the World Cup is biased to teams from the south. It must be Jaap that is writing their speeches.

Action Jackson
10-02-2007, 06:14 AM
Now make most of your opportunity to reach the semi-final; you are in by far the weakest quarter final and have avoided the big four - New Zealand, South Africa, Australia and France.

It's not like Argentina can't beat France or has that slipped your mind. I forgot they also beat England as well and when was that?

What you think they shouldn't have made the last 8 or something?

Hendu
10-02-2007, 06:28 AM
:lol: Welcome back. :) :wavey:

Thanks. ;)

Impressive performance by Chris Paterson.

Now make most of your opportunity to reach the semi-final; you are in by far the weakest quarter final and have avoided the big four - New Zealand, South Africa, Australia and France.

Having beaten the best two sides of the Six Nations in the group stage, its just fair that we avoid the Tri Nations countries in the quarterfinals.

DrJules
10-02-2007, 07:52 AM
It's not like Argentina can't beat France or has that slipped your mind. I forgot they also beat England as well and when was that?

What you think they shouldn't have made the last 8 or something?

I was stating that Scotland have a very favourable quarter final.

Action Jackson
10-02-2007, 08:03 AM
I was stating that Scotland have a very favourable quarter final.

Apart from playing Fiji, they'd be heavy underdogs against the other 6 nations. So it doesn't mean that much in reality.

vincayou
10-02-2007, 10:22 AM
Sincerely, I can't imagine us winning against the black. They are so much above everyone else, and they have 1999 in their mind. Hopefully it won't be a beating.

This world cup, New zealand and South Africa are clearly above everyone else. France were probably the only team from the north with a little oppotunity but they choked to pressure on opening. Even then, they don't have any truly world class player this year. Jauzion maybe but not the one who is playing this world cup.

Action Jackson
10-02-2007, 10:28 AM
You never know not many expected France to beat the All Blacks last time in the World Cup and they did that. I hope NZ win, but they have been known to choke on the big stage.

LeChuck
10-02-2007, 10:53 AM
Nothing against France at all, but I want a New-Zealand-Australia semi-final. New Zealand fear Australia more than any other side.
I think that during John Eales's Wallabies career, Australia had a positive head to head against the All Blacks.

Hendu
10-02-2007, 08:00 PM
All Black Team to play vs. France:

--------Woodcock--------Oliver----------Hayman

---------------Robinson-------Williams

--------Collins--------So'oialo---------McCaw (c)


-------------------------Kelleher

------------------------------------Carter

----------------------------------------------McAlister

-------------------------------------------------------------Muliaina

-Sivivatu----------------------------------------------------------------Rokocoko

---------------------------------MacDonald

http://www.rugby365.com/story/0,18881,10691_2773775,00.html

LeChuck
10-02-2007, 08:07 PM
Having beaten the best two sides of the Six Nations in the group stage, its just fair that we avoid the Tri Nations countries in the quarterfinals.

I completely agree. France and Ireland finished 1st and 2nd in the tri nations, in both 2006 and 2007, so Argentina did very well to top that group. However it is no surprise that they find themselves in such a strong position, and they have been a strong force in rugby for a while now. I think that Marseille was an absolute fortress for France in international matches and Argentina beat them there in 2004, and of course they beat Ireland at Landsdowne Road to reach the last 8 in 1999. It is very funny so that so people continue to underestimate and underrate them.

bad gambler
10-03-2007, 12:38 AM
I must have missed it. What did he say?

That the All Blacks were a two man team (McCaw and Carter) and that Henry has been made to look good as a coach because of the team he has inherited.

Great by play between the two coaches during that series even though France were fielding basically a second string team for the 2 games

bad gambler
10-03-2007, 12:41 AM
All Black Team to play vs. France:

--------Woodcock--------Oliver----------Hayman

---------------Robinson-------Williams

--------Collins--------So'oialo---------McCaw (c)


-------------------------Kelleher

------------------------------------Carter

----------------------------------------------McAlister

-------------------------------------------------------------Muliaina

-Sivivatu----------------------------------------------------------------Rokocoko

---------------------------------MacDonald

http://www.rugby365.com/story/0,18881,10691_2773775,00.html


Good luck to France, they are going to need it :hatoff:

That is an imposing front and backrow :scared: and the backs are quite useful as well lol. Rokocoko should consider himself a bit lucky to be in the starting team given his indifferent form all domestic season.

bad gambler
10-03-2007, 12:51 AM
We can get past the Scots but the Springboks will kill us.

The Springboks aren't as good as people make them out to be - they would be only slight favourites against Argentina in the semis IMO

Action Jackson
10-03-2007, 08:07 AM
Good luck to France, they are going to need it :hatoff:

That is an imposing front and backrow :scared: and the backs are quite useful as well lol. Rokocoko should consider himself a bit lucky to be in the starting team given his indifferent form all domestic season.

I am just disappointed that the man with the greatest name Rico Gear didn't make the final squad.

adee-gee
10-03-2007, 09:07 AM
The Springboks aren't as good as people make them out to be - they would be only slight favourites against Argentina in the semis IMO

The Boks won't be playing Argentina in the SF ;)

adee-gee
10-03-2007, 09:09 AM
Apart from playing Fiji, they'd be heavy underdogs against the other 6 nations. So it doesn't mean that much in reality.

True, but at least we have a shot against the Argies. It's not untrue to say it's a favourable draw considering we finished 2nd in our group and could have had stronger teams. Sure, Argentina will probably beat us convincingly but I'd rather be playing them than NZ, Aussies or SA.

Action Jackson
10-03-2007, 09:13 AM
True, but at least we have a shot against the Argies. It's not untrue to say it's a favourable draw considering we finished 2nd in our group and could have had stronger teams. Sure, Argentina will probably beat us convincingly but I'd rather be playing them than NZ, Aussies or SA.

You mean the winning margin will be less against the Argies, than the 3 Southern Hemisphere powerhouses.

adee-gee
10-03-2007, 10:36 AM
You mean the winning margin will be less against the Argies, than the 3 Southern Hemisphere powerhouses.

Pretty much, yes. And you just never know, I don't think it's totally inconceivable we could win.

Hendu
10-03-2007, 06:51 PM
The Boks won't be playing Argentina in the SF ;)

Fiji will? :p

Pretty much, yes. And you just never know, I don't think it's totally inconceivable we could win.

Scotland can win.

Hendu
10-03-2007, 07:05 PM
French Team to face the All Blacks:

--------Milloud--------Ibanez (c)----------de Villiers

-------------------Pelous-------Thion

--------Betsen--------Bonnaire---------Dusautoir


-------------------------Elissalde

------------------------------------Beauxis

----------------------------------------------Jauzion

-------------------------------------------------------------Marty

-Heymans----------------------------------------------------------------Clerc

------------------------------------Traille

Subs: 16 Szarzewski, 17 Poux, 18 Chabal, 19 Harinordoquy, 20 Michalak, 21 Dominici, 22 Poitrenaud.

http://worldcup.planet-rugby.com/Story/0,21043,13175_2775544,00.html


Laporte's words:

"They are not the All Blacks, they are New Zealanders."

"You are given the impression of a myth, of a miracle - they have only been champions of the world once."

"They are very very good, but we are aiming to expose the myth a little. They are just like the rest, 15 chaps on a pitch... 15 good players."

"Above all, we have to be present at the breakdowns because if we let them dominate there, they will get their game going."

jayjay
10-03-2007, 11:31 PM
Scotland can win.

If we play with 7 players. Two of them with no legs.

adee-gee
10-04-2007, 12:07 AM
If we play with 7 players. Two of them with no legs.
Dude, are you trying to set yourself up for another Copa America style fall? ;)

Hendu
10-04-2007, 06:09 AM
If we play with 7 players. Two of them with no legs.

Thats what the Irish were thinking before facing Argentina in the 1999 WC.

The Pumas are favorites, of course.


Head to head:

Scotland 19 - 23 Argentina // 12 November 2005 - Murrayfield
Scotland 16 - 25 Argentina // 18 November 2001 - Murrayfield
Scotland 22 - 31 Argentina // 21 August 1999 - Murrayfield
Argentina 19 - 17 Scotland // 11 June 1994 - Ferro Carril Oeste Stadium
Argentina 16 - 15 Scotland // 04 June 1994 - Ferro Carril Oeste Stadium
Scotland 49 - 3 Argentina // 10 November 1990 - Murrayfield
Scotland 12 - 11 Argentina // 24 November 1973 - Murrayfield
Argentina 3 - 6 Scotland // 27 September 1969 - Gimnasia y Esgrima de Buenos Aires
Argentina 20 - 3 Scotland // 13 September 1969 - Gimnasia y Esgrima de Buenos Aires

Action Jackson
10-04-2007, 06:12 AM
Pretty much, yes. And you just never know, I don't think it's totally inconceivable we could win.

Of course Scotland can win, doesn't mean they will.

DrJules
10-05-2007, 10:51 PM
The Springboks aren't as good as people make them out to be - they would be only slight favourites against Argentina in the semis IMO

If Argentina beat Scotland I expect to return to this post when South Africa easily beat Argentina. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hendu
10-05-2007, 10:55 PM
Argentine team vs. Scotland:


------Roncero------------Ledesma-------------Scelzo

--------I. Fernandez Lobbe-------Albacete

------Ostiglia------------Longo---------J. Fernandez Lobbe


-------------------------Pichot (c)

------------------------------------Hernández

-------------------------------------------------F. Contepomi

-----------------------------------------------------------------M. Contepomi

-Agulla--------------------------------------------------------------------------Borges

------------------------------------Corleto


Subs: 16 Vernet Basualdo, 17 Hasan, 18 Álvarez Kairelis, 19 Leguizamón, 20 Fernandez Miranda, 21 Todeschini, 22 Senillosa.

¡VAMOS PUMAS!

adee-gee
10-05-2007, 11:00 PM
That team will be battered and bruised :cool:

bad gambler
10-05-2007, 11:38 PM
If Argentina beat Scotland I expect to return to this post when South Africa easily beat Argentina. :lol: :lol: :lol:

By easily if you mean by 20 points or more I shall do the same

Hendu
10-06-2007, 12:02 AM
That team will be battered and bruised :cool:

and remain unbeated... of course. :p

----------------------------------------------------------------

Scottish team:

-----------Kerr--------Ford----------Murray

-----------------Hines-------Hamilton

--------White--------Taylor---------Hogg


-------------------------Blair

------------------------------------Parks

----------------------------------------------Dewey

-------------------------------------------------------------Webster

-Paterson----------------------------------------------------------------S. Lamont

------------------------------------R. Lamont


Subs: 16 Lawson, 17 Smith, 18 MacLeod, 19 Brown, 20 Cusiter, 21 Henderson, 22 Southwell

adee-gee
10-06-2007, 12:15 AM
^ Spartan line-up :worship:

Bring it on :boxing:

Look out for Sean and Rory Lamont, our only players with a bit of flair :o

jayjay
10-06-2007, 12:32 AM
If Argentina beat Scotland I expect to return to this post when South Africa easily beat Argentina. :lol: :lol: :lol:

When Argentina beat South Africa I expect to return to this post (to piss on it). :hatoff:

jayjay
10-06-2007, 12:35 AM
That team will be battered and bruised :cool:

Apparently the Argentina players get on well with the bouncers at the "We pissed on Scotland" post-party, so I doubt there will be a scratch on them. :)

bad gambler
10-06-2007, 12:40 AM
^ Spartan line-up :worship:

Bring it on :boxing:

Look out for Sean and Rory Lamont, our only players with a bit of flair :o

At least you said "a bit" of flair :lol:

I hope you have dusted off your Wallabies jersey and have got it ready for tonight. Six pack of XXXX are on the way to your place.

Hendu
10-06-2007, 05:16 AM
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/josepe06/hernandez-1.jpg
Juan Martín Hernández

:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship:
:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship:
:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship:

GlennMirnyi
10-06-2007, 05:19 AM
This Hernandez is good. Maybe you should put him in the football team?

Hendu
10-06-2007, 05:28 AM
This Hernandez is good. Maybe you should put him in the football team?

WTF is a Brazilian doing in a rugby thread?

I don't go to beach volley threads, do I?

:p

GlennMirnyi
10-06-2007, 05:30 AM
WTF is a Brazilian doing in a rugby thread?

I don't go to beach volley threads, do I?

:p

Don't be a jerk, I'm just gettin' into the sport now they're showing the WC here, and I'm cheering for you Argies. :ras: :p

Hendu
10-06-2007, 05:35 AM
Don't be a jerk, I'm just gettin' into the sport now they're showing the WC here, and I'm cheering for you Argies. :ras: :p

I hope we can get to semis for the first time...

Its a great sport, very fun to watch. Too bad you don't play it over there... Argentina vs. Brazil in rugby would be awesome. The blood would be everywhere. :p

jayjay
10-06-2007, 05:38 AM
I don't go to beach volley threads, do I?

:p

You should. Just for Misty May's ass.

GlennMirnyi
10-06-2007, 05:41 AM
Some stuff aren't allowed for the sake of humanitary reasons. Brazil-Argentina in rugby would be a bloodbath. :haha:

From what I've seen, it's not a bad draw for the Argies, the All Blacks, the Aussies and the South-Africans could be much worse.

Hendu
10-06-2007, 05:43 AM
You should. Just for Misty May's ass.

http://www.xtcian.com/mistymay.jpg

I see what you mean.

GlennMirnyi
10-06-2007, 05:45 AM
Actually beach volleyball is:
a) boring
b) painful to watch
c) even when women play, they're usually planks without boobs.

Hendu
10-06-2007, 05:51 AM
From what I've seen, it's not a bad draw for the Argies, the All Blacks, the Aussies and the South-Africans could be much worse.

Yes, but we were first in the "group of death" of the tournament. So its fair that we face a not so powerful team in quarters. If we manage to win, then we would face South Africa.

GlennMirnyi
10-06-2007, 05:53 AM
Yes, but we were first in the "group of death" of the tournament. So its fair that we face a not so powerful team in quarters. If we manage to win, then we would face South Africa.

I know. Actually that win against the French was great.

jayjay
10-06-2007, 06:05 AM
Actually that win against the French was great.

Not really. It's like Boca beating Gremio. Expected result. :hatoff:

GlennMirnyi
10-06-2007, 06:14 AM
Not really. It's like Boca beating Gremio. Expected result. :hatoff:

Without Riquelme - no Boca. That's why the choke against São Paulo. :p

jayjay
10-06-2007, 06:17 AM
I see what you mean.

She didn't win Olympic Gold for nothing (she's one of the few Americans not on drugs). Kerry Walsh can't keep her hands off her.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6397/mm2ui4.jpg

Back to business.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NCHxBIrcPU

jayjay
10-06-2007, 06:18 AM
Without Riquelme - no Boca. That's why the choke against São Paulo. :p

Sudamericana. Been there done that.

Chickens will get a roasting this weekend. Maybe RonE should make a Gallina roasting thread in NT? :)

GlennMirnyi
10-06-2007, 06:25 AM
Where's WillyCanas? :p

Hendu
10-06-2007, 06:25 AM
Back to business.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NCHxBIrcPU

How many countries have a fly half that can do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wZArJ0IaJo

Hendu
10-06-2007, 06:26 AM
Where's WillyCanas? :p

I'm sure he is happy with his team still in the Sudamericana and also about to beat Boca. :p

GlennMirnyi
10-06-2007, 06:29 AM
That Botafogo match... :lol:

Action Jackson
10-06-2007, 07:51 AM
Some stuff aren't allowed for the sake of humanitary reasons. Brazil-Argentina in rugby would be a bloodbath. :haha:

From what I've seen, it's not a bad draw for the Argies, the All Blacks, the Aussies and the South-Africans could be much worse.

It would be good just to get the gauchos to play rugby, but you are right, the matches would be on the wrong side of nasty.

Yes, this is a huge chance for the Pumas to make the semis for the first time.

Action Jackson
10-06-2007, 07:53 AM
http://www.xtcian.com/mistymay.jpg

I see what you mean.

Very cheeky.

VolandriFan
10-06-2007, 08:13 AM
Excuse me, why are there volleyball photos in the World Cup thread? Someone obviously made a mistake, of which I must correct.

http://www.scott-o-rama.com/Coppermine/albums/userpics/10001/Christophe%20DOMINICI%202003.jpg
http://www.scott-o-rama.com/Coppermine/albums/userpics/10001/normal_39230_13_123_343lo.jpg
http://www.scott-o-rama.com/Coppermine/albums/FrenchRugby/normal_CCF02072005_00001.jpg

Better? It's my job to make everyone happy! :)

Action Jackson
10-06-2007, 08:39 AM
What the Perv thread isn't enough?

adee-gee
10-06-2007, 09:34 AM
At least you said "a bit" of flair :lol:

I hope you have dusted off your Wallabies jersey and have got it ready for tonight. Six pack of XXXX are on the way to your place.
Cheers cobber.

C'mon the Wallabies :rocker2: :music:

Action Jackson
10-06-2007, 03:45 PM
Engerland 12 Wallabies 10

The Aussies can't believe they have lost this one. England beat the Aussies in the rugby matches that matter.

vincayou
10-06-2007, 03:48 PM
Excellent. :) North rules.

bad gambler
10-06-2007, 03:50 PM
Well played England, the scoreline flattered the Wobblies big time.

Action Jackson
10-06-2007, 03:54 PM
Hope this wakes the All Blacks up and they give the French a beatdown.

The All Blacks haven't played England at a World Cup since 1995, hope they can do the same again.

VolandriFan
10-06-2007, 03:55 PM
What the Perv thread isn't enough?

Apparently not, eh? :aplot:




Australia lost! :banana:

rocketassist
10-06-2007, 03:57 PM
Hahahahaha. What a result.

Black Adam
10-06-2007, 04:01 PM
:banana: They were the only team to beat All Blacks this year, so this is looking quite nice for New Zealand :yeah: :rocker2: