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Fred Thompson...?

Stensland
09-06-2007, 05:39 PM
hey,

yesterday i watched cnbc europe and they had this leno bit on where this guy announced that he's running for president of the united states. apparently he's a kind of "saviour" for the republicans as many pundits and right-wingers were really hoping for him to give it a shot. ronald reagan was an idol for them and they see thompson as someone in his footsteps.

i checked the web a little today, got some videos, read about him and his views and, surprise surprise: i really have no problem with this guy. :D ...which is strange since there's hardly any republican out there who doesn't have major shortcomings in my opinion, with stupidity leading the pack of those, to be honest.

but this guy, call me crazy, he could actually be a good one.

don't get me wrong, i'm not american and i'm not sure whether my opinion of him is right or wrong (i don't watch american tv so it's hard for me to judge politicians), but i was wondering if maybe some of you who live there, who are americans or know a little more about this guy can maybe help me out a bit here. what does he stand for? is he gonna be quite a competitor? would he be able to get elected?

http://www.fred08.com/

thanks! :)

Jim Jones
09-06-2007, 07:02 PM
Political positions of Fred Thompson

Thompson has said that federalism is his "lodestar," providing "a basis for a proper analysis of most issues: 'Is this something government should be doing? If so, at what level of government?'"[46]

Thompson supports free trade and low taxes.[65][66] He says that Roe v. Wade was a wrong decision that ought to be overturned, and that he is pro-life,[67] but he also has said that states should decide not to criminalize young women for early term abortions.[68][69] Thompson is skeptical that humanity is to blame for global warming.[70] He says citizens are entitled to keep and bear arms if they do not have criminal records.[71] Thompson's support of the McCain-Feingold campaign finance legislation brought criticism from groups such as Gun Owners of America (GOA), who said that the legislation limited their ability to inform the public about the gun rights voting records of incumbent politicians.[72] Thompson now says that the limitation on political speech within thirty or sixty days of an election was wrong and should be repealed.[73] Thompson says U.S. borders need to be secured before considering comprehensive immigration reform.[65] Thompson supported the U.S. invasion of Iraq, but he believes that mistakes have been made since then.[74] He is opposed to withdrawal from Iraq.[75] He also believes that Iran should be taken seriously.[76]

buddyholly
09-07-2007, 03:58 AM
hey,

ronald reagan was an idol for them and they see thompson as someone in his footsteps.



The only way Thompson follows the footsteps of Reagan is that he too is an actor. But he could not fill Reagan's shoes.

Stensland
10-19-2007, 11:20 PM
*bump*

seems like he lacks firepower. all polls indicate that he's gonna have to catch up with giuliani big time if he wants to have any impact.

Jim Jones
10-21-2007, 01:32 PM
Guliani and Clinton seem unbeatable. New Yorkers must be proud.

Sparko1030
10-22-2007, 04:42 AM
How come when a famous person who is a demacrat or liberal speaks out the right says they should stay out of politics, but when a republican/right winger does the same,or runs for office as Thompson (also Arnold, Sonny Bono, that guy who played Gopher on Love Boat and of course Regan) there is no issue made of their celebrity? Hmmmmm, double standard perhaps? :scratch:

Natalie Mains for President!!!! :rocker2: :lol:

preNadal care
10-22-2007, 05:35 AM
Fred Thompson is a boring mouthpiece for the Republicans. Yet again, they couldn't come up with anything better.

buddyholly
10-24-2007, 03:11 AM
How come when a famous person who is a demacrat or liberal speaks out the right says they should stay out of politics

Who said what?

Sparko1030
10-24-2007, 03:41 AM
Who said what?

A lot of those whiny right wingers do. When a celebrity has the "gall" to voice some liberal opinion, there is always a chorus of republicans who say the famous should keep their mouths shut. Of course , they are quiet when it comes to celebrities who voice more conservative opinions. Freedom of speech is great I guess as long as it speech they approve of.

I referenced the Natalie Mains incidnet of serveral years ago when she said she was ashamed W was from her home state Texas and she was practically branded a traitor. There are many more expamples-Susan Sarandon, Ben Affleck, and the list could go on. Charlton Heston is a hero though for heading the NRA for years. :scratch: So, I just wonder why its ok for some to use their celebrity to bring attention to their politics and not others and why that line seems to fall on political lines. :shrug:

zicofirol
10-24-2007, 08:43 AM
Thomson is an idiot and he shows it when he speaks, although he might be the least annoying of the mainstream republicans, but he has no personality and has no chance to win...

Ron Paul is the best candidate... look at his positions: www.ronpaul2008.com

mtw
10-24-2007, 10:05 AM
Political positions of Fred Thompson

Thompson has said that federalism is his "lodestar," providing "a basis for a proper analysis of most issues: 'Is this something government should be doing? If so, at what level of government?'"[46]

Thompson supports free trade and low taxes.[65][66] He says that Roe v. Wade was a wrong decision that ought to be overturned, and that he is pro-life,[67] but he also has said that states should decide not to criminalize young women for early term abortions.[68][69] Thompson is skeptical that humanity is to blame for global warming.[70] He says citizens are entitled to keep and bear arms if they do not have criminal records.[71] Thompson's support of the McCain-Feingold campaign finance legislation brought criticism from groups such as Gun Owners of America (GOA), who said that the legislation limited their ability to inform the public about the gun rights voting records of incumbent politicians.[72] Thompson now says that the limitation on political speech within thirty or sixty days of an election was wrong and should be repealed.[73] Thompson says U.S. borders need to be secured before considering comprehensive immigration reform.[65] Thompson supported the U.S. invasion of Iraq, but he believes that mistakes have been made since then.[74] He is opposed to withdrawal from Iraq.[75] He also believes that Iran should be taken seriously.[76]


So, it is the next, mental-ill american republican fanatic, who is rather pro-life, but he supports rather genocide too.

buddyholly
10-24-2007, 12:51 PM
A lot of those whiny right wingers do. When a celebrity has the "gall" to voice some liberal opinion, there is always a chorus of republicans who say the famous should keep their mouths shut. Of course , they are quiet when it comes to celebrities who voice more conservative opinions. Freedom of speech is great I guess as long as it speech they approve of.

I referenced the Natalie Mains incidnet of serveral years ago when she said she was ashamed W was from her home state Texas and she was practically branded a traitor. There are many more expamples-Susan Sarandon, Ben Affleck, and the list could go on. Charlton Heston is a hero though for heading the NRA for years. :scratch: So, I just wonder why its ok for some to use their celebrity to bring attention to their politics and not others and why that line seems to fall on political lines. :shrug:

In your last sentence you say that it is OK for some and not others. There is no law that says this. I do not think anyone says the famous should keep their mouths shut, but they may say the famous are hypocrites. You haven't said it is OK for Charlton Heston, have you?

I think the situation comes about when the Hollywood limousine liberals make fools of themselves, such as Sean Penn and Kevin Spacey rushing down to Caracas to slobber all over Chavez. It is not lost on most of us that not long before their arrival, Danny Glover took millions of the Venezuelan taxpayers money to make a movie for Chavez. I think Penn and Spacey saw dollar signs, not the saviour of Venezuela.
And when you get right down to it the list of left wing celebrities that make outrageous statements is a lot longer than the list of right wing celebrities. I can hardly think of one, maybe Mel Gibson, but he's Australian.
And Charlton Heston actually headed the NRA, so whether or not you agree with him, he actually was doing a job, not just sitting in his Hollywood mansion pretending to be concerned.

Sparko1030
10-24-2007, 01:26 PM
I think its ok for all celebriites to voice their opinion whether I agree with them are not. When I say its "ok for some and not for others", that is in the mind of those who critisize the liberals but not the conservatives, I am not speaking for myself.

Actually, I think its a good thing for celebrities to have an interest in politics and issues even if I don't agree with them. Its the public who may give their voice more importance than it deserves but that does not mean they should have to give up their right to an opinion. I just wish idiots like Rush Limbaugh saw it the same way(and what the hell makes him qualified to have an opinion and not other drug addicts???? :rolls: ) I respect Charlton Heston for having the courage to make his beliefs known even if I don't agree with them., although I think you're drawing a convenient distiction about his instance being different because it was a job for him. Are all celebrities who desire to work for an cause to quit making movies or whatever before they are can do that?

I think Penn and Spacey are sadly mistaken on Chavez but its still their right to be wrong and really, I don't think what they think has much affect on the US public.

I think you're comment on how the list of liberal celebriities being much longer than the conservative (Mel is a US citizen btw-he was born here and they moved to Austrailia when he was a kid) is not an argument for them not having the right to express themselves. Remember the man this thread is suppose to be about-and there are more. Actually, I think it smacks of envy-liberals really "have" the best celebrities - I think conservatives are at the heart of the matter, jealous. :devil: :haha: (take heart, the country music world is by far populated with conservatives ;) )

buddyholly
10-24-2007, 02:55 PM
Remember the man this thread is suppose to be about-and there are more. Actually, I think it smacks of envy-liberals really "have" the best celebrities - I think conservatives are at the heart of the matter, jealous. :devil: :haha: (take heart, the country music world is by far populated with conservatives ;) )

But the man this thread is about is running for president. I think he is campaigning, not just telling us poor, less fortunate people what is good for us.
And I think the reason that so many Hollywood celebrities are ''liberal'' is that they can afford to be. Just try and tell them that their personal wealth is going to be redistributed and see how many are so liberal when the chips are down.
And do you really think that by allying yourself with the Hollywood liberal set that some of their glamour rubs off on you, thus making conservatives jealous? I don't think so.
I am not American, but I would say that the people of the country music world, as you put it, are far more representative of the soul of America than the celebrities in their Malibu mansions, that you will probably never be welcome in.

Winston's Human
10-24-2007, 04:36 PM
I think that celebrities have the right to publicly express their opinions, and that people have the right to criticize celebrities for their opinions.

I think celebrities (particularly those surrounded by "yes" people) forget that free speech is a two-way street and not everyone is going to agree with their opinions.

Sparko1030
10-24-2007, 05:42 PM
But the man this thread is about is running for president. I think he is campaigning, not just telling us poor, less fortunate people what is good for us.
And I think the reason that so many Hollywood celebrities are ''liberal'' is that they can afford to be. Just try and tell them that their personal wealth is going to be redistributed and see how many are so liberal when the chips are down.
And do you really think that by allying yourself with the Hollywood liberal set that some of their glamour rubs off on you, thus making conservatives jealous? I don't think so.
I am not American, but I would say that the people of the country music world, as you put it, are far more representative of the soul of America than the celebrities in their Malibu mansions, that you will probably never be welcome in.



Do you think Fred Thompson would be in the position to run for senator or president if he had not been a celebrity? Did he have to run for office before he had a right to express his views? Everyone in this country has a right to voice their views-famous/unknown, rich/poor etc. Its the public's responsiblity to discern who to listen to and how much weight we give their opinion.

I think many in the entertainment world are liberal due to the nature of what types of personalities become actors. Artists of all kinds are more free thinking. Not many conservative free thinkers I should think. I have no idea what Hollywood liberals would do when the chips are down for them. I imagine there would be as wide a reaction as in any sample of the population. They are not worse or better than non celebrities and I should think stereotyping them would be inaccurate. Its one thing to disagree with someone's opinion, and another to ridicule them for voicing it.


Believe me, I am way too old to be a celebrity worshiper or to want what they have. I know what's important in life and I don't need to be vailidated by a celebrity. I formed my view myself, not because Barbara Striesand or Mel Gibson told me what I should think. My comment on "celebrity envy" was tongue in cheek but perhaps it hit a cord.....

Winston's Human
10-24-2007, 08:39 PM
Thompson got his start in the movies playing himself in the movie "Marie". Thompson had represented Marie Ragghianti who exposed a bribery-clemency scandal involving the Governor of Tennessee.

Thompson was well-known in Tennessee as an attorney before he became an actor -- especially for his role as Senate minority counsel in the Watergate hearings.

Sparko1030
10-24-2007, 08:47 PM
:lol: well, I did not know that about Mr. Thompson, Winston's Human. So you're saying if he (Fred Thompson) hadn't had that previous law experience, he should not run for office or voiced his political beliefs? How do you feel about Arnold Schwartznegger and Ronald Reagan? Should a career in show business pre-empt one from doing anything political?

Winston's Human
10-24-2007, 09:04 PM
:lol: well, I did not know that about Mr. Thompson, Winston's Human. So you're saying if he (Fred Thompson) hadn't had that previous law experience, he should not run for office or voiced his political beliefs? How do you feel about Arnold Schwartznegger and Ronald Reagan? Should a career in show business pre-empt one from doing anything political?

Absolutely not! I refer you back to my 11:36 a.m. post. I do not have any issues with actors running for political office or expressing their political views. I do not know where you got that impression. I was simply pointing out that Thompson was well-known (at least in Tennessee) before he became an actor.

Sparko1030
10-24-2007, 10:07 PM
Absolutely not! I refer you back to my 11:36 a.m. post. I do not have any issues with actors running for political office or expressing their political views. I do not know where you got that impression. I was simply pointing out that Thompson was well-known (at least in Tennessee) before he became an actor.


Sorry! :o :lol:

buddyholly
10-25-2007, 04:00 AM
Do you think Fred Thompson would be in the position to run for senator or president if he had not been a celebrity? Did he have to run for office before he had a right to express his views? Everyone in this country has a right to voice their views-famous/unknown, rich/poor etc. Its the public's responsiblity to discern who to listen to and how much weight we give their opinion.



He's a citizen, isn't he? Why couldn't he be in a position to run for office without being a celebrity? 99% of those who run for office are not celebrities.
So I think this thread has become a bit unravelled. The difference between Fred Thompson and celebrities is that Thompson has to tell the electorate what he would do if elected, whereas celebrities are not running for office and limit themselves to telling the masses what they should be thinking and who they should vote for. Since I don't think any Hollywood celebrity gives a fig about the masses, their opinion is probably less meaningful to the man in the street than that of his next door neighbour. They are free to say whatever they want of course, but if they are not running for office their views have the same status as those of the hamburger flipper at McDonalds. Or, on reflection, that may be belittling the hamburger flipper.

Sparko1030
10-25-2007, 05:13 AM
I never meant he couldn't have run, but what would be the chances of him having a real shot at winning. Winston's Human gave a lot more background on him and that experience may have been enough in TN. I 'm not sure he'd be running for pres now if he hadn't been on TV though.

I do think its disingenuos to imply a celebrity must run for office to have a legitimate reason to speak out. Poor unknowns like ourselves have the right to voice our opinions without running for an office, so why should the rich and famous?

Overall, I think I've pretty much posted the same thing about celebrities and politics but without so much negative emotion. I've repeatedly stated that its up to the public to decide if and what they listen too and allow themselves to be influenced by. Its not the fault of any of the celebrities if we, the voting public, have stopped thinking for ourselves. I really doubt that most see themselves as telling the masses what to do and what to think anymore than anyone else who voices their opinion.

As far as this thread unravelling, well, most threads get off subject sooner or later :shrug: so just add this one to the list.

buddyholly
10-25-2007, 06:05 PM
I really doubt that most see themselves as telling the masses what to do and what to think anymore than anyone else who voices their opinion.



Well, I disagree strongly. They know very well that their celebrity status is what gets them air time, in preference to a non-celebrity that might be 100 times more qualified to speak on politics.

But to balance things out, I would like to see Bush give a press conference solely to give his reasons why he thinks Barbra Streisand's singing sucks and how Sean Penn's acting in ''All the King's Men'' was a disgrace to the American acting profession and brought shame and embarrassment to all Americans.

Sparko1030
10-26-2007, 04:48 AM
I guess we will just have to disagree. You obviously lump all liberal celebrities together instead of judging them individually.

I will concede that some do use their celebrity to bring attention to issue. George Clooney is one liberal Hollywood type that is knowingly using his influence to raise pulbic awareness of the atrocities going on in Darfur. Mabye I should have the attitude "how dare he use his celebrity status to educate me on such an issue" but I guess I'm just that weak minded :shrug:

I would be happy if Bush would spend his time critiquing his celebrity critics! That is a great idea!!! Maybe it would keep him busy enough to save himself from his next tragic blunder. ;)

buddyholly
10-26-2007, 12:57 PM
George Clooney is one liberal Hollywood type that is knowingly using his influence to raise pulbic awareness of the atrocities going on in Darfur.

Yes, I saw ONE news item on that, but no more, because it is not outrageous or controversial or just plain dumb.
For instance, today YAHOO leads with how Halle Berry said that a doctored foto of herself made her nose look "Jewish.''
So let's just end by blaming the media for everything.

Sparko1030
10-26-2007, 01:44 PM
Yes, I saw ONE news item on that, but no more, because it is not outrageous or controversial or just plain dumb.
For instance, today YAHOO leads with how Halle Berry said that a doctored foto of herself made her nose look "Jewish.''
So let's just end by blaming the media for everything.

Halle Berry :rolleyes:

Media :smash: