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Masters Cup Moves to Shanghai (Jim mad...lol)

ktwtennis
05-26-2004, 01:30 AM
http://www.sportsmediainc.net/tennisweek/index.cfm?func=showarticle&newsid=10994&bannerregion=

Masters Cup May Move To Shanghai


By Tennis Week
05/24/2004

As the tennis world converges on Paris for the season's second Slam, the ATP is close to completing a reported $20 million contract that could return its season-ending Masters Cup event to Shanghai for a three-year run starting next November.

The Shanghai deal has not yet been sealed, but is expected to be finalized by the ATP board of directors during this two-week French fortnight, according to a published report in the SportsBusiness Journal written by Daniel Kaplan.

Shanghai successfully staged the Tennis Masters Cup in 2002. As the ATP World Championships, the event was held in Frankfurt from 1990-95 and Hannover from 1996-99 before making one-year stops in Lisbon, Sydney and Shanghai.

In November, the tournament completes its two-year run at Houston's Westside Tennis Club whose owner, Jim McIngvale, paid $7 million for the hosting rights and spent another $4 million building a new stadium to stage the tournament.

Last November's tournament marked the first time since 1989 the year-end event was held in the United States. Roger Federer defeated Andre Agassi in the rain-delayed final. During the rain delay, McIngvale sat in his stadium suite and showered ATP CEO Mark Miles and WTA CEO Larry Scott with his proposal to merge the two Tour's year-end tournaments and stage the combined "Super Bowl" of tennis at the 7,500-seat Westside Tennis Club. According to McIngvale, Miles and Scott requested a combined $12 million sanction fee for a combined ATP/WTA season-ending tournament, proposing that each Grand Slam contribute $1 million toward that total, but the Slams denied that request and the proposed "Super Bowl" concept has not been revived.

The man nicknamed "Mattress Mac" is not taking the news of the tournament's move to Shanghai lying down. In an interview with the SportsBusiness Journal, McIngvale blasted the ATP for taking the tournament to Shanghai.

"The ATP is a terrible partner, absolutely terrible," said McIngvale, who reportedly spent nearly $15 million on the event last year, but did not submit a bid to retain hosting rights. "A great product, great kids, but the senior management of the ATP is terrible."

McIngvale created controversy when he appeared in his court-side box clad in the American flag shirt he sports when working at his Gallery Furniture business and openly cheered for Americans Andre Agassi and Andy Roddick. McIngvale's public support of the American pair drew criticism from some competitors in the field, including Argentina's David Nalbandian.

Incensed by McIngvale's support of Agassi, including cheering and clapping during periods of the match, Nalbandian took the tournament owner to task for his behavior.

"I think it's a lack or respect towards the players," Nalbandian said.

During one stage of the match, Nalbandian punctuated a winner by yelling "Applaud that!" at McIngvale.

Asked if he believed McIngvale's vocal support of Agassi influenced lines people or the chair umpire, Nalbandian replied: "I don't know. That's very difficult to say. I don't know."

If the contract to conduct the Masters Cup in Shanghai is completed, it would benefit the ATP Tour financially, but would come at the expense of the Tour's largest fan base — U.S. and European fans — who would be pressed into late night and early morning viewing or miss seeing matches played in the Asian time zone.

"Taking it to Shanghai is not good for the U.S. tennis market," McIngvale told the SportsBusiness Journal. "It's hard for us to see that at three in the morning."

Deboogle!.
05-26-2004, 01:33 AM
omg Mack.... shut up :rolleyes:

Lee
05-26-2004, 01:34 AM
"Taking it to Shanghai is not good for the U.S. tennis market," McIngvale told the SportsBusiness Journal. "It's hard for us to see that at three in the morning."

What's the difference when US tennis fans have no LIVE tennis? It's tape-delay anyway! :rolleyes:

Deboogle!.
05-26-2004, 02:05 AM
What's the difference when US tennis fans have no LIVE tennis? It's tape-delay anyway! :rolleyes:

exactly... and most of his TMC, occurring IN the US was even taped :rolleyes:

RogiFan88
05-26-2004, 02:09 AM
The Mattress guy is a totally uncouth low-class salesman... good riddance but not soon enough. Oh, and I applaud Nalby [Rogi, Carlos and any other non-Amer player] for voicing his views!!

Leo
05-26-2004, 02:11 AM
What did he expect when he didn't even bid to host the event next time? Of course the ATP will be searching for other deals that are financially beneficial and good for the sport. Asia has a strong market for tennis right now, so it seems to be a good decision on the ATP's part to have a three-year TMC run in Shanghai.

naiwen
05-26-2004, 02:14 AM
The Mattress guy is a totally uncouth low-class salesman... good riddance but not soon enough. Oh, and I applaud Nalby [Rogi, Carlos and any other non-Amer player] for voicing his views!!

He makes me sick.

LCeh
05-26-2004, 02:17 AM
He makes me sick.

:worship: :yeah:

jazz_girl
05-26-2004, 02:19 AM
Wow, this guy never ceases to amaze me...

Ballbuster
05-26-2004, 02:28 AM
Tennis and communism. F china, they should keep the masters here where you have sellouts every session. I loved the masters cup in houston, it was a huge success

Ballbuster
05-26-2004, 02:29 AM
hey what did david roger and carlos say about MMac last year anyways?

Shy
05-26-2004, 02:32 AM
In China, it was sellouts too and the atmosphere was better for the fans and the players.Right now, Asia has the potential to be a bigger market than the US for now.

PennyThePenguin
05-26-2004, 02:46 AM
HA! TAKE THAT MAC!

Leo
05-26-2004, 02:51 AM
Tennis and communism. F china, they should keep the masters here where you have sellouts every session. I loved the masters cup in houston, it was a huge success

Lame. :rolleyes:

If you actually watched the TMC in Shanghai, you would have seen that it was also a huge success with tons of fan support... not to mention a fairer and less biased tournament owner/director/whatever the fuck he is. :cool:

Lee
05-26-2004, 03:05 AM
Tennis and communism. F china, they should keep the masters here where you have sellouts every session. I loved the masters cup in houston, it was a huge success

This is the most racious post I have ever seen in MTF. I wish you are not serious with what your here.

Chloe le Bopper
05-26-2004, 03:12 AM
Tennis and communism. F china, they should keep the masters here where you have sellouts every session. I loved the masters cup in houston, it was a huge success
What the Hell does communism have to do with the event going to Shanghai? :rolleyes:

Thank God it's not staying in Houston. Mac showed last year that he isn't fit to host an international event, and I will be surprised if he manages to redeem himself this year. I have no doubt that there are other promoters in the US who could do a good job, but he is *not* one of them.

Good riddance.

Ballbuster
05-26-2004, 04:11 AM
This is the most racious post I have ever seen in MTF. I wish you are not serious with what your here.

rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

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Lee, your quote made no sense, IDIOT! Obviously you do not know what that word means

novanora
05-26-2004, 04:32 AM
what this Mac guy said and his behavoir is really shit!:mad:

Chloe le Bopper
05-26-2004, 04:32 AM
Obviously you didnt' either if you felt the need to look it up in the dictionary in order to properly define it.

Cudos. You have proven that you know the alphabet.

Ballbuster
05-26-2004, 04:33 AM
A) he insulted me B) Mattress Mac has corrected his behavior and it will not be a problem at this year's masters. He loves the game and would never want the foreign players to feel uncomfortable here

Ballbuster
05-26-2004, 04:35 AM
becca, no i did not prove i know the alphabet, that was from dictionary.com. and yes I did know the meaning from the word I come from a university where the race card is played incorrectly constantly.

Action Jackson
05-26-2004, 04:35 AM
Get lost Jim and I feel for you, tennis doesn't need obnoxious arseholes like yourself, it's done and good to see it's going back to Shanghai and hopefully move it around to some more venues. Agassi won't be making it, so he won't have to complain about Shanghai again.

LCeh
05-26-2004, 04:38 AM
A) he insulted me B) Mattress Mac has corrected his behavior and it will not be a problem at this year's masters. He loves the game and would never want the foreign players to feel uncomfortable here

That's ridiculous. Show me where he insulted you. QUOTE IT.

And explain how your post wasn't a racist comment. And if you feel you need to make yourself look smart by correcting someone else's grammar, wow, it really makes you look a lot better...

Lee
05-26-2004, 04:40 AM
rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

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Lee, your quote made no sense, IDIOT! Obviously you do not know what that word means

First, you put an 'F' in front of a country's name and then called me 'IDIOT'.

This shows your character and there's no need for me to say anything more.

And you dare to say I insulted you. You insulted yourself first.

Smankyou
05-26-2004, 04:53 AM
Thank god it's going back to China. Mac's a moron.


During one stage of the match, Nalbandian punctuated a winner by yelling "Applaud that!" at McIngvale.


:lol: Gold.

lizabeth..*
05-26-2004, 05:02 AM
"Taking it to Shanghai is not good for the U.S. tennis market," McIngvale told the SportsBusiness Journal. "It's hard for us to see that at three in the morning."

Ohh boo fecking hoo...he should move to Australia and see what we have to put up with 11 months of the year!!! *shakes fist*

Clara Bow
05-26-2004, 06:11 AM
Originally Posted by ktwtennis
During one stage of the match, Nalbandian punctuated a winner by yelling "Applaud that!" at McIngvale.



Gold.

This is exactly why Nalby is one of my favorite players! I love his spunk. For selfish reasons I want it to stay in Houston so I can attend...but I was appaled by MM's behavior last year and am very annoyed by the commercials for this years event - they just feature Andy and Andre. Aargh.

junekidd
05-26-2004, 06:39 AM
however you guys think about this thing, it's a good news for our chinese fans absolutely! we have another chance to go to the court after 2002! I am excited about it!!!

Lisbeth
05-26-2004, 06:45 AM
Even though I loved having it in Sydney, I actually think it's better if it's in a country where none of the top 8 are from - at least some of the time. Avoids partisan crowds and the "tournament director forgets he's supposed to behave like an adult" thingy and also promotes tennis somewhere where it needs the publicity.

Plus the Chinese crowds appeared to be sensational last time - polite and happy to be there.

Zetlandsk
05-26-2004, 06:47 AM
Boo hoo Jim you tactless, arrogant, xenophobe and I think it will be great that it's in China again, as long as they are away from Houston, and that can only be a positive thing.

Lisbeth
05-26-2004, 06:48 AM
I agree Lizabeth. Remember after Sydney Olympics, NBC actually said they didn't think the IOC should be allowed to award the games to anywhere that wasn't in a good time zone for the east coast of the USA. You know, like Asia, Europe, Africa ...

Anyway staying up late/getting up early can be a fun part of the sports fan experience, once in a while.

Chloe le Bopper
05-26-2004, 07:05 AM
A) he insulted me B) Mattress Mac has corrected his behavior and it will not be a problem at this year's masters. He loves the game and would never want the foreign players to feel uncomfortable here
Horseshit.

Dirk
05-26-2004, 07:15 AM
I think Mac really won't care. I've already made a handsome bet that after Roger wins the Cup again this year ( the last thing Mac wants) he will drop dead of a heart attack. So why would he care? :P

PerezRoldan
05-26-2004, 07:19 AM
I think Mac really won't care. I've already made a handsome bet that after Roger wins the Cup again this year ( the last thing Mac wants) he will drop dead of a heart attack. So why would he care? :P

:) :)

PennyThePenguin
05-26-2004, 10:48 AM
MAC just wants ppl to see him... attention seeker that he is...

Horatio Caine
05-26-2004, 11:40 AM
"Taking it to Shanghai is not good for the U.S. tennis market," McIngvale told the SportsBusiness Journal. "It's hard for us to see that at three in the morning."

Who cares what you think Mattress Mack. If you like tennis that much then you can damn well get up at 3am to watch! ;)

I think it should come to Great Britain at some point. We have several excellent venues that could host it including the Royal Albert Hall and the National Indoor Arena in Birmingham - Birmingham is a better venue so that everyone can get there. The tickets would sell out in days.

sigmagirl91
05-26-2004, 11:46 AM
A) he insulted me B) Mattress Mac has corrected his behavior and it will not be a problem at this year's masters. He loves the game and would never want the foreign players to feel uncomfortable here

Uh, huh, and I am the independent candidate for President of the United States. Whatever.... :rolleyes:

PennyThePenguin
05-26-2004, 12:07 PM
rotating the venues is a good idea. exposes the game to more ppl around the world. and gives ppl on the other side of the world a chance to sleep at decent hours for once in the year.

Ballbuster
05-26-2004, 01:18 PM
Ok, bear with me for this post is rather long as I feel I must clarify some things as I see my earlier quotes are continuously misinterpreted.
First to Lceh about the grammatical errors in Lee’s post: No the fact that I called him an idiot had nothing to do with the grammatical errors at the end of the sentence “This is the most racious post I have ever seen in MTF. I wish you are not serious with what your here.” I called him an idiot, which I will now admit was rather brash, because he called my post racist when it clearly was not, that is why I pasted the definition of racism which showed that the way he used racist(or “racious) in that sentence did not make sense. Now about Lceh’s quote “And explain how your post wasn't a racist comment.” You may go back to look at the definition of racism I posted earlier and my original quote (the one with “F china”). No where in that first post did I say that my race is superior to others, and if anything, I insulted the Chinese government, not Chinese people, whom I have nothing against. But, I do believe I have a right to blast a government that has a bad human rights record. Lceh u also asked me to quote where Lee insulted me, and you are correct in a sense that he did not directly insult me, but I did feel insulted when he incorrectly claimed that I posted a racist comment. From that I felt like Lee believes that I am racist. Ok now on to Lee’s later post “First, you put an 'F' in front of a country's name and then called me 'IDIOT'. This shows your character and there's no need for me to say anything more. And you dare to say I insulted you. You insulted yourself first.” I feel that China deserves the F-- which you should know what that stands for-- because of what I stated earlier in this post. I clarified the “insult” argument earlier in response to one of Lceh’s remarks.
I believe GeorgeWhitler called me an “arsehole” in this post as well. However, I have already explained my lack of enthusiasm with the China, which is funding the tournament unlike in Houston where Jim Mac takes care of it. Jim Mac understood the concerns of the foreign players at the masters cup, and he did change his behavior later in the tournament. He even stood at the top of the stadium so he wouldn’t cause any problems!!!!! This year Mac will not show any rude over patriotism like he did this year because he loves the game and he has changed his ways. To me, I felt some of the comments about Mac in this thread were snyde and unnecessary but yet I am the “arsehole.” Let's remember, I live in Houston and most of you do not, so please do not tell me lies about M Mac

Tennis is big in Houston, and it can be successful here privately, without the help of a government. Also, in Houston, we have an outdoor court which means slower conditions which puts the court really in the middle between fast and slow, giving the clay courters a better shot than indoors in Shanghai
I shall also state that I feel the Masters Cup shouldn’t go to Shanghai because the country doesn’t have a single player in the top 100. If the M Cup leaves the US, a rightful destination would be Argentina or maybe Sweden, for they have a left a huge imprint on men’s tennis today. Thanx if you read through this very long and thought out post
J.
And I’m sorry if this response came too late, my cable cut off shortly after submitting my last one.

TheBoiledEgg
05-26-2004, 02:14 PM
great news :D :) its going back to Shanghai :D :)

now i got to get a week off when its on ;)

Mac ...... :p good riddance to bad rubbish

maratski
05-26-2004, 03:18 PM
great news :D :) its going back to Shanghai :D :)

now i got to get a week off when its on ;)

Mac ...... :p good riddance to bad rubbish

:eek: :eek:

You actually work eggy? :eek: :eek:

j/k ;) :hug:

bovenbuuf
05-26-2004, 03:20 PM
gbpgbp02, Well I think its a good idea to bring it to Shanghai, China is a big country and has near the Olympics, could help them to creat a good tournemnt for the Olympics, it also is a good help to give the tennis and his players a boost and help them to create a tennis on a higher level..

crigazzio
05-26-2004, 03:51 PM
I´m agree with bovenbuuf.....Shangai seems like a good place for the tennis, i think that place is readyy to get taht kind of tournaments. and about the hours, everybody has to get up early to see the best tennis of the world, and that is not problem at all. I´m doing now, cause i´m from Argentina and to see Rg, i have to get up 6 am, and i don´t care......i enjoy it, so i don´t see a real problem except that of course you don´t want to lose a tournament like that!!!!But well, Shangai deserves the chance to make it!!!

Love
Ceci

Horatio Caine
05-26-2004, 03:56 PM
London or Birmingham!!! :) Come on Tony - you like tennis, get us a bid for the Masters Cup! You can do a little opening speech if you like and even play an exhibition match to get it going but just give us the Masters Cup please!!! I won't ever criticise the horrible faces you pull when you serve, again! :tears:

Experimentee
05-26-2004, 03:59 PM
Its a great decision. The TMC in Shanghai was one of the best I've seen. The atmosphere was so great!
I hate when people act like the US and Europe are the most important in the world and no one else matters :rolleyes:
Tennis is also popular in Australia and Asia, and we'd have the right timezone in Shanghai. This will boost the popularity of tennis in Asia even more, contributing to a more global sport.

lsy
05-26-2004, 04:03 PM
Great news!

"Taking it to Shanghai is not good for the U.S. tennis market," McIngvale told the SportsBusiness Journal. "It's hard for us to see that at three in the morning."

So?

Experimentee
05-26-2004, 04:05 PM
Ok, bear with me for this post is rather long as I feel I must clarify some things as I see my earlier quotes are continuously misinterpreted.
First to Lceh about the grammatical errors in Lee’s post: No the fact that I called him an idiot had nothing to do with the grammatical errors at the end of the sentence “This is the most racious post I have ever seen in MTF. I wish you are not serious with what your here.” I called him an idiot, which I will now admit was rather brash, because he called my post racist when it clearly was not, that is why I pasted the definition of racism which showed that the way he used racist(or “racious) in that sentence did not make sense. Now about Lceh’s quote “And explain how your post wasn't a racist comment.” You may go back to look at the definition of racism I posted earlier and my original quote (the one with “F china”). No where in that first post did I say that my race is superior to others, and if anything, I insulted the Chinese government, not Chinese people, whom I have nothing against. But, I do believe I have a right to blast a government that has a bad human rights record. Lceh u also asked me to quote where Lee insulted me, and you are correct in a sense that he did not directly insult me, but I did feel insulted when he incorrectly claimed that I posted a racist comment. From that I felt like Lee believes that I am racist. Ok now on to Lee’s later post “First, you put an 'F' in front of a country's name and then called me 'IDIOT'. This shows your character and there's no need for me to say anything more. And you dare to say I insulted you. You insulted yourself first.” I feel that China deserves the F-- which you should know what that stands for-- because of what I stated earlier in this post. I clarified the “insult” argument earlier in response to one of Lceh’s remarks.
I believe GeorgeWhitler called me an “arsehole” in this post as well. However, I have already explained my lack of enthusiasm with the China, which is funding the tournament unlike in Houston where Jim Mac takes care of it. Jim Mac understood the concerns of the foreign players at the masters cup, and he did change his behavior later in the tournament. He even stood at the top of the stadium so he wouldn’t cause any problems!!!!! This year Mac will not show any rude over patriotism like he did this year because he loves the game and he has changed his ways. To me, I felt some of the comments about Mac in this thread were snyde and unnecessary but yet I am the “arsehole.” Let's remember, I live in Houston and most of you do not, so please do not tell me lies about M Mac

Tennis is big in Houston, and it can be successful here privately, without the help of a government. Also, in Houston, we have an outdoor court which means slower conditions which puts the court really in the middle between fast and slow, giving the clay courters a better shot than indoors in Shanghai
I shall also state that I feel the Masters Cup shouldn’t go to Shanghai because the country doesn’t have a single player in the top 100. If the M Cup leaves the US, a rightful destination would be Argentina or maybe Sweden, for they have a left a huge imprint on men’s tennis today. Thanx if you read through this very long and thought out post
J.
And I’m sorry if this response came too late, my cable cut off shortly after submitting my last one.

You think China doesnt deserve it because of a bad human rights record? Look at how the US discriminates against its own people and executes more people than most other countries in the world, not to mention what is happening in Iraq right now! If you want to base it on human rights there should be about one tournament in the US, and make that Newport :haha:

Horatio Caine
05-26-2004, 04:12 PM
Get lost Jim and I feel for you, tennis doesn't need obnoxious arseholes like yourself, it's done and good to see it's going back to Shanghai and hopefully move it around to some more venues. Agassi won't be making it, so he won't have to complain about Shanghai again.

Well, i agree with you on the whole M Mac thing. The only coverage i saw of the Masters Cup was from the DVD on the highlights etc but MMac was so completely biased towards the Americans. He put them in opposite halves of the draw and applauded them over the other guys who put in a very account of themselves, particularly Nalbandian, Coria and of course, :worship: Roger. Could he have been any more biased in getting Andy to the world number 1 spot (which he would have got anyway but no need to hurry up the process) putting him against the weakest (if you can call them that for top 8 players!) of the Cup contenders. I refuse to believe that it was just luck of the draw - what were the chances of all that happening? 1 in 100s. The guy is a loser and I'm glad that the Cup is moving from there. The other players didn't even like the venue. Roger complained that the court sloped (and that was when he was winning matches), Nalabandian was the victim of some of the most outrageously biased line calls, Shuettler was hardly applauded when he beat Roddick and generally the other players were treated almost with disrespect.

The Cup shouldn't go back to Shanghai - they have hosted it before and have had their chance. There should be a rule where it can't go back to a country that has previously hosted it for at least 5 years. I don't agree with a contract to hold it in one country for several years in a row either. I'm all for the Masters Cup rotating countries every year.

Why shouldn't Russia, France, Great Britain etc get a chance to host it?

crigazzio
05-26-2004, 04:14 PM
Ok, I think we have to taulk about tennis and the tournaments, don´t take this as a personal thing between the countrys, i don´t think nobody here is racist or something like that, so just don´t take all this coments as a personal thing, Houston doesn´t want to lose the tournament, and of course Shangai either, so that´s the question and nothing else....
Taulk about some tournament and human rights doesn´t make any sense, so just don´t make a fight with this........
C´mon we can taulk without insults and everybody can give us a different point of view but do it well guys!!!

Love
Ceci

Horatio Caine
05-26-2004, 04:21 PM
:worship: Ceci

crigazzio
05-26-2004, 04:22 PM
Jez is a good idea rotating the cup, but i guess it would be great if that cup is in any country that you want, except in the countrys that has a grand slam, so in that way the rest of the world has more chance to get the master cup....Is nice i think....but really difficult....

Ceci

Experimentee
05-26-2004, 04:24 PM
Well, i agree with you on the whole M Mac thing. The only coverage i saw of the Masters Cup was from the DVD on the highlights etc but MMac was so completely biased towards the Americans. He put them in opposite halves of the draw and applauded them over the other guys who put in a very account of themselves, particularly Nalbandian, Coria and of course

I dont think M-Mac made the draw the way it was, it was random ;)

Horatio Caine
05-26-2004, 04:25 PM
I dont think M-Mac made the draw the way it was, it was random ;)

Hmmm! :)

crigazzio
05-26-2004, 04:25 PM
jajajajaja thanks Jez!!!

Horatio Caine
05-26-2004, 04:27 PM
Welcome :grin:

Iker1
05-26-2004, 04:59 PM
gbpgbp02,I have to say u r so abnormal.
Stupid B!(I think u may not understand it,cause you're such an idiot,LOL)

junekidd
05-26-2004, 05:23 PM
gbpgbp02,I have to say u r so abnormal.
Stupid B!(I think u may not understand it,cause you're such an idiot,LOL)

haha...I know what is "stupid B"! :devil:
I think I have to say sth about our country after gbpgbp02's bullshit! :shout:
why do you think you have the right to insult our government? do you know anything about it? maybe u will say u learned sth from ur TV or newspaper, but let me tell u what a impression of american government on our TV. it is absolutely the most insolent government all over the world in all aspects in our mind! as for the human right, all have seen what happened in Iraq! I needn't to say anything more!
here we should say about tennis, but I cannot ignore this kind of insult on my homeland! :fiery:

yanchr
05-26-2004, 05:44 PM
F gbpgbp02

Pink Panther
05-26-2004, 05:57 PM
I think gbpgbp02 has made an inappropriate comment but I have to partly agree with his views on the Chinese govt...even if it has nothing to do with tennis.

And you're hearing this from a Chinese. ;)

Socket
05-26-2004, 06:13 PM
Everyone is forgotting one thing about where the Masters Cup is held: there has to be a promoter who puts up the money for the event and submits a bid. Mattress Mac did that in Houston, and there's a group of promoters who did that early in Shanghai. Every country is eligible, but there has to someone or some organization who bids for the event. So saying, "why isn't the Masters Cup held in [insert country of your choice here]?" is not the right question. If the event isn't being held in your country, it's because there isn't a promoter who submitted a winning bid, probably because they're not certain they can make a profit off the event, due to low interest. For example, not to pick on any one country, but I don't think a German promoter would bid for the event, because interest in tennis in Germany has significantly declined since the retirements of Becker and Graf.

crigazzio
05-26-2004, 06:43 PM
Is great data Socket!!!So, here in Argentina we´ll never have that cup :)

Socket
05-26-2004, 06:45 PM
Is great data Socket!!!So, here in Argentina we´ll never have that cup :)

Which is too bad, because there are some many great Argentine players right now . . .

Lee
05-26-2004, 06:58 PM
I have every right to call your statement racist ( ;) correct spelling). Here's the definition in Oxford Advanced Learner's dictionary.

racialism, also racism. (n) 1. belief that human abilities, etc depend on race and that some races are superior to others. 2. (aggressive behaviour, speech, etc showing) hostility between race.

Your statement here Tennis and communism. F china, fits perfectly to the 2nd definition.

When you use that statement, you insulted the whole race, not the government. There's no justification for this no matter how you view the Chinese government.

And when I pointed out that your statement is racist which I even put in that I wish you are not serious about it, instead of really looking into what you wrote, you simply insult me by pointing out my gramma and call me 'IDIOT' and yes, keep calling be 'he'. That shows you don't even look very deep into matters, just touch the surface and make up your conclusion and unfortunately, express your view in a very aggressive and hateful manner.

And about human rights, other posters have already said what I want to say.

Ballbuster
05-26-2004, 07:15 PM
china is a country, not a race, the comment is not racist

Ballbuster
05-26-2004, 07:17 PM
Lee read my long post, the insult had nothing to do with bad grammar, it was the incorrect use of the word "racist" which you still will not admit

Lee
05-26-2004, 07:54 PM
Lee read my long post, the insult had nothing to do with bad grammar, it was the incorrect use of the word "racist" which you still will not admit

Check Oxford Advanced Learner dictionary since you won't believe what I wrote here.

Lee
05-26-2004, 07:56 PM
china is a country, not a race, the comment is not racist

China is a country which is make up by the people, not the government.

Leo
05-26-2004, 08:48 PM
A) he insulted me B) Mattress Mac has corrected his behavior and it will not be a problem at this year's masters. He loves the game and would never want the foreign players to feel uncomfortable here

Mac corrected his behavior? He doesn't want to make the foreign players feel uncomfortable?

Thanks for the laugh. :lol:

Leo
05-26-2004, 08:53 PM
China is a country which is make up by the people, not the government.

No use trying anymore, Lee. gbfhbgorwhateverthefuckhisnameis clearly would rather not be logical.

J. Corwin
05-26-2004, 09:46 PM
i'm glad it's moved back to Shanghai.

tangerine_dream
05-26-2004, 10:10 PM
Mac lost the right to host this tournament again when he demonstrated that he could not grasp the concept that the TMC is an international event, not a US event. The fact that so many players were offended by his nationalistic behavior should've clued him in. And the award ceremony was an embarassment. Guys like him are exactly the kind of Ugly American the rest of the world hates.

There's no telling if he's really truly changed his spots (although his performance at Houston Men's Clay Championships was much better). But if he wants the TMC back at Houston, he's gonna have to work triple-overtime to earn it and even that won't be enough.

Socket
05-27-2004, 12:54 AM
Mac lost the right to host this tournament again when he demonstrated that he could not grasp the concept that the TMC is an international event, not a US event. The fact that so many players were offended by his nationalistic behavior should've clued him in. And the award ceremony was an embarassment. Guys like him are exactly the kind of Ugly American the rest of the world hates.

There's no telling if he's really truly changed his spots (although his performance at Houston Men's Clay Championships was much better). But if he wants the TMC back at Houston, he's gonna have to work triple-overtime to earn it and even that won't be enough.

If he coughs up the most money for the next TMC after Shanghai, he'll get the event. Money talks, that's the bottom line. And you know, I think that combining the men's and women's year-end events is actually a good idea, and I give him credit for it.

AtPGiRL
05-27-2004, 01:30 AM
"The ATP is a terrible partner, absolutely terrible," "A great product, great kids, but the senior management of the ATP is terrible."

well, that is the first and only thing I've every heard the moron say that I agree with. He's not going to be endearing himself to the ATP saying that though.. :rolleyes:

The guy is an idiot and so are half of the people who run the ATP..

trixy
05-27-2004, 01:37 AM
I'm happy its moving back to shanghai because it'll make the tv coverage so much better for me because there will be less of a time difference. And if they hold it anywhere near as good as they did in 2002, it'll be great. The chinese crowds in my opinion were great and it was a great event all round.

lilianspring
05-27-2004, 02:28 AM
I really hope our city(Shanghai) will host the MC.
And even don't want to react to what that terrible person said.
Do you all believe that he knew what he was talking.
He doesn't know anything,doesn't understand anything.
And I just want to see all players are treated in a right way.

Action Jackson
05-27-2004, 03:55 AM
gbpgbp02: Ok, your long post was full of garbage and while using human rights an excuse, yet you don't look at your own country with the same amount of scrutiny, no need for your sanctimonious bullshit. Btw, I was calling Big Jim an arrogant, obnoxious and xenophobic arsehole and not yourself, though you seem to share certain traits.

Tangerinus, for once I can agree with most of the stuff you said.

Ballbuster
05-27-2004, 04:16 AM
Thanx Georgey, you just compared me to one of Houston's most admired philanthropists

liS@
05-27-2004, 06:04 AM
I thought the 2002 Masters Cup was a great success, much better than last yr's. That may have something to do w/ the close final and SF, but I thought that atmosphere and Chinese audience was great. (The Chinese business men sitting up front were the best! Cheering and hollering when the camera passed by! And it's not everyday Ferrero is comfortable w/ pumping his fists to acknowledge the support of the crowd after winning a tough pt.)

China doesn't have many tennis tournaments, or sports events in general, in contrast to the US, until starting this yr, w/ the Beijing Open and the Shanghai Open, and of course the 2008 Olympics. China is actually a great marketing country, and people need to get the false image out of their heads that China is all poverty and Communists.

Plus, the players did say they enjoyed the Shanghai tournament as opposed to Houston... :o

But I do agree that the Masters Cup should be moved around more. Tennis is a int'l sport and not all fans are as privileged as the US (if you can consider us lucky...taped/rerun matches, grr) But both China and Houston has already hosted it once so... But I don't think Mac redeemed himself towards the end of the tournament, listen to his trophy presentation speech...

And nah, the draw wasn't rigged. :p

Supersonik
05-27-2004, 06:07 AM
Thanx Georgey, you just compared me to one of Houston's most admired philanthropists

He might be admired in Houston, but he doesn't know how to run an international event and the word here is international. They will have it twice and that was once too many.

Money can't buy everything and not even Mastercard could cover some of those gaffes he made last year.

sydney
05-27-2004, 07:26 AM
gbpgbp02:

“Jim Mac takes care of it. Jim Mac understood the concerns of the foreign players at the masters cup, and he did change his behavior later in the tournament”

Oh, you really think so? That is only what you American think of him. To the rest of the world, Jim McIngvale is a rather rude person who did not even know how to respect a Champion player. He talked endlessly about his relations with Andri but ignored Roger who was the real Champion in the final presentation. Don’t you think he is offensive?

"Taking it to Shanghai is not good for the U.S. tennis market," –- Of course this is his instant reaction because he is just a business man

You think the courts of Houston meet the standard of ATP? What a bullshit! Except Roddick and you Houston people, who else in the world agrees that? ATP compromised your so-called standard because of what? MONEY!

You are attacking the Chinese government for the human right in China? Why didn’t you think the second time before you clicked “send”? How much do you know China? How much you US people know the rest of world outside US? Do you think your bloody country treats people fairly? You want me to remind you of those policemen bashing the poor black? You want me to remind you of your US soldier’s disgusting prisoner abusing? Do you want me to remind you more?

To me, I 100% support TMC to be held in Shanghai. They showed the ability to hold such an importance event even if that was their first time. To tell the truth, Australia, UK, Argentina or other countries are all superior to US. Look at your rubbish Atlanta Olympic! Obviously you need money than all other things!

If you want to F China, people from all over the world would be more than happy to F USA

Lisbeth
05-27-2004, 07:54 AM
There are plenty of good things about the USA. Jim McIngvale's attitude to non-Americans is just not one of them. It's unfortunate that someone chose to criticise China but that isn't going to be rectified by free-for-all criticism of America in general. Which is not to say that some of the comments above aren't true, but they're not the whole picture any more than the other comments are the whole story about China

As someone said, the ultimate problem was that however good it was in other ways, Houston was NOT run like an international tournament. That's probably a large part of why they miss out next time (plus of course all the arguments about why it should move around as a matter of principle). If Jim only wants to watch Americans he should stick to some sort of domestic competition.

Chloe le Bopper
05-27-2004, 10:57 AM
If he coughs up the most money for the next TMC after Shanghai, he'll get the event. Money talks, that's the bottom line. And you know, I think that combining the men's and women's year-end events is actually a good idea, and I give him credit for it.
I don't. The idea to combine both events was hardly his own. It's been suggested many times before him.

novanora
05-27-2004, 03:12 PM
I called him an idiot, which I will now admit was rather brash, because he called my post racist when it clearly was not, Ahha, obviously you have your expression problem or even your understanding has some problem!! Don't’ focus the grammatical errors as the excuse!!!! Do you think someone will consider it is not a racist post which puts an “F” in front of his or her country?? If you think so, OK!! Then I would like to yell “F gbpgbp02!!!” and have 1000 reasons to say “oh~~~, Gbpgbp02, I am not insulting you~~~~.” Do you think this kind of expression is more similar to your contradictory stupid post?? :rolleyes:
I posted earlier and my original quote (the one with “F china”). No where in that first post did I say that my race is superior to others, and if anything, I insulted the Chinese government, not Chinese people, whom I have nothing against.
OK, if “F China” is insulting Chinese government, not Chinese people, then I would like to shout “F USA~~~~”, because your stupid Bush government is totally shit!! :cool:
But, I do believe I have a right to blast a government that has a bad human rights record.
Oh…..apparently, if you don’t know anything about our government, or just know sth from your ridiculous mass media, care about what you said and don’t show your ignorance here!! Look at your stupid bush government’s behavior in Iraq, how dare you can mention human rights??? I can tell you your government even has no human right at all!! Oh, I forget, not only hasn’t human right, they even haven’t humanism :o
And, it is your most stupid behavior that posting sth with political color in a tennis forum!!! I will not mind if you show your sickness to the walls of your own room. :rolleyes:
Lceh u also asked me to quote where Lee insulted me, and you are correct in a sense that he did not directly insult me, but I did feel insulted when he incorrectly claimed that I posted a racist comment. From that I felt like Lee believes that I am racist.
In fact, you directly express you are a racist, and I did feel you are a racist!!! Don’t worry, almost every one here has the same feeling as me. The only thing you did was giving an expression and denying it, which shows your confused mind again. If you can feel you are insulted, why can’t others feel you are racist??
I feel that China deserves the F-- which you should know what that stands for-- because of what I stated earlier in this post.
Ok, then I feel gbpgbp02 really really deserves shit :rolleyes:
I believe GeorgeWhitler called me an “arsehole” in this post as well..
I totally agree with him.
However, I have already explained my lack of enthusiasm with the China, which is funding the tournament unlike in Houston where Jim Mac takes care of it.
I am very glad that a shit guy lacks enthusiasm with my homeland so that he will not corrupt her. And, of course, in the funding, no one can up to the same level as a business man who is standing for nothing but vulgar money. :rolleyes:
Jim Mac understood the concerns of the foreign players at the masters cup, and he did change his behavior later in the tournament. He even stood at the top of the stadium so he wouldn’t cause any problems!!!!! This year Mac will not show any rude over patriotism like he did this year because he loves the game and he has changed his ways.
Don’t worry about Mac, everyone outside USA watched the TV broadcasting understand how terrible he is…..and what you said is like describing a raper as a hero…… :o
Let's remember, I live in Houston and most of you do not, so please do not tell me lies about M Mac.
Do remember, I live in Shanghai China, and you do not, so don’t tell any sick words about my country again!!
Tennis is big in Houston, and it can be successful here privately,
Oh, yeah….of course, it’s Mac’s own successful tennis privately. :o
in Houston, we have an outdoor court which means slower conditions which puts the court really in the middle between fast and slow, giving the clay courters a better shot than indoors in Shanghai
Shut up after you see our new tennis courts which have been built this year.
I shall also state that I feel the Masters Cup shouldn’t go to Shanghai because the country doesn’t have a single player in the top 100.
What kind of logic it is!! It seems if you can’t sing well, then you have no right to enjoy the music? Ok, then USA will also have many joys banned. :o
Thanx if you read through this very long and thought out post.
Thanks if you put your stupid, long, terrible, mind-confused, contradictory, shameful, and thought out post on the refrigerator in your room. I swear I won’t object at all even you enjoy your posting for 100000000 times in your own Houston.

tangerine_dream
05-27-2004, 05:05 PM
Tangerinus, for once I can agree with most of the stuff you said.

http://www.rr-bb.com/images/smilies/faint.gif

Fee
05-28-2004, 04:50 AM
Wow, this was a fun thread to read!

Uh, yeah, Mac improved his behavior so much toward the end of the week that he waited for the rain delay in the middle of the final to corner Roger and yell at him AGAIN for ruining his All-American final and costing him money. Whatever.

And I love when 'true Texans' talk about human rights. You execute people that are mentally handicapped, how righteous is that? Is that what Jesus would do? (And I don't mean all Texans, by the way. I have friends in Texas, but they know how to think for themselves, and would never write the type of thing that started this whole discussion).

I wish I could speak/write a second language. I studied French for years, but never quite got the hang of it. It's one of my biggest regrets, but I love the international perspectives on this board.

Havok
05-28-2004, 05:44 AM
:retard:

that's all that's needed right?:D

Smankyou
05-28-2004, 06:23 AM
I'm normally the first to jump on the "you're being a racist asshole" bandwagon, but I just don't think gpdbdpg (give or take ;) ) was being racist... his words just came out wrong. You can tell from his other posts (in other threads) that he isn't a racist nob.

Anyway, going back to China is the best thing that could have happened to tennis. China having the world's fastest growing economy... and blah blah blah.

And plus, I may be able to hitch a ride with my mum when she goes on one of her business trips. Works for me.

Lee
05-28-2004, 07:05 AM
I'm normally the first to jump on the "you're being a racist asshole" bandwagon, but I just don't think gpdbdpg (give or take ;) ) was being racist... his words just came out wrong. You can tell from his other posts (in other threads) that he isn't a racist nob.


It's interesting in the way people read posts. I never ever called gpwhateverthename racist. All my posts, I said the statement racist. He (since your post called he) may not be racist but just has a misconception about some governments, including his own, and expressed it in an offensive way. That statement is indeed racist. Unfortunately, he refuses to accept his statement is racist whether he did or did not intend to.

And there is no "you're being a racist asshole" bandwagon, some response to his view of human rights, some response to his view of Chinese government, and I believe the 'asshole' comment has nothing to do with the racist statement but his view of Jim, Houston tournament and human rights issue.

Steve-o
05-29-2004, 06:05 AM
I live in Houston and while yes, Mac is known to be generous with his money and helps the less fortunate, I would hardly call him 'beloved.' He is what he is and to the average Houstonian he is a very very rich guy who sells furniture with little style and has very very very poorly made TV commercials.

During changeovers at the Westside Claycourt tournaments you can see mattress and sofa commericals on the jumbotron inside the stadium. That is cheesy.

Even his advertisement for the Masters Cup featured only Agassi and Roddick until just a couple weeks ago when he also included very brief glimpses of Schuettler and Coria (those guys must not have pissed him off).

He has not to this point even come close to acknowedging Federer in his commericals which is a bad move on his part for obvious reasons.

But, like I said, Mac is what he is, and there are quite a few of his type down here in Texas.

JaredPalmerFan
05-29-2004, 12:14 PM
Just out of curiousity does that mean this coming November it will be in Shanghai or in 2005? God, I hope it is this year. Don't think anyone could put up with Matress Mack again... :)

Thankies :wavey:

lina_seta
09-18-2004, 07:34 AM
Tennis and communism. F china, they should keep the masters here where you have sellouts every session. I loved the masters cup in houston, it was a huge success

ok i read the post and couldnt stay shut at such irrelevant comment.. tennis and communism? (ok my direct thoughts so u dont twist them) theres no direct relationship whatsover... thats a HIGHLY IRRESPECTFUL AND INSULTING POST TO ALL CHINESE PPL.. been myself one
AND whats that "F" suppose to mean! (btw i know, im just saying) :mad:

You talk as if Shanghai is not good enough to held the event, which is not true. (as far as I know it can be better! Olympics will be held in China, so why not something smaller with less international impact as the TMC?)

Your closed american mentality is seemingly comparable to that of Mac Mactress (and this thread speaks for itself about that issue), thinking that the priority is economical gain and not tennis! (sellout crowds); Shanghai would definitely provide a friendlier environment to all international players (as it seems theres only 2 categories: americans and others)... not to mention more interesting... (than the boring usual *ahem* "things")

ok im not taking any more time off to write about this... :o

any unsuccesful-attempt-to-make-a-witty reply (with terms out of the dictionary) wouldnt surprise me at all coming from you...

uh.. wanted to add... if i had known what others said i would have use a slightly stronger language! yeah "F USA".. mentepollo...

Smankyou
09-19-2004, 04:42 AM
Anyway, going back to China is the best thing that could have happened to tennis. China having the world's fastest growing economy... and blah blah blah.

Idiot. Russia's economy so totally owns China's at the moment. :p

tennischick
09-19-2004, 04:51 AM
dayum...Texas i can afford, Shanghai i definitely can't...grrrrrr :mad:

Billabong
09-19-2004, 05:08 AM
Shanghai;)! I loved the atmosphere in 2002:)!

federer_roar
10-20-2004, 08:37 AM
Wow, for once TMC will hold in the new tennis stadium in Shanghai ! I can't wait for then. :banana: :banana:

For those who are full of american mentality and think the country is the central of the world, why don't your guys come to visit my city during TMC and see it yourself? :wavey: Before then, leave your F biases at home pls. ;)

federer_roar
10-20-2004, 08:41 AM
dayum...Texas i can afford, Shanghai i definitely can't...grrrrrr :mad:

emm tennischick, same here. Texas i cannot afford, but Shanghai.... I can. :rocker:

liptea
10-20-2004, 02:10 PM
exactly... and most of his TMC, occurring IN the US was even taped :rolleyes:

And it was still on really late at night. I remember sneaking downstairs at midnight on a school night to watch Moya and Roddick with the mute on so that my parents wouldn't yell.

That's not good USA marketing.

RonE
10-20-2004, 03:52 PM
Uh, yeah, Mac improved his behavior so much toward the end of the week that he waited for the rain delay in the middle of the final to corner Roger and yell at him AGAIN for ruining his All-American final and costing him money.

OMG :eek:

Was that meant to be a joke or are you serious? Did Jim really go up to Roger during the rain delay and yell at him??!! If it is true, do you have any articles/transcripts referring to the incident?

This guy is one piece of work :rolleyes:

federer_roar
10-20-2004, 05:31 PM
And it was still on really late at night. I remember sneaking downstairs at midnight on a school night to watch Moya and Roddick with the mute on so that my parents wouldn't yell.

That's not good USA marketing.

It's on the contrary. If Mactress Mac continues insulting non-american players as he did last year, it's only going to damage Houston's reputation to host such an important event, and vice versa harm US market gradually.

Not to mention the US open, how many TMS are held in US every year? And how many are held in north or south east asia?

As far as US market's concerned, my impression is it's already going down even without the relocation of TMC. Looking at US open men's final TV watching rate sloped down to historical lowest point, it says all. What american market need is an american tennis hero. It doesn't need TMC.

So before it sinks down in US,why not to cling the newly booming markets where people are keen to host such event and more than happy to welcome top players from all over the world, where tennis fans who tap the matches all year long get to see their idols face to face?

What heck your guys are thinking? Why can't your guys get head straight and look around: tennis is an international sports, and isn't it a great thing that ppl in asia have a fair share of that?

Why don't you guys get a dvd recorder and save all that crap? :o

Jorge
10-20-2004, 10:14 PM
Shanghai is a great place to hold the Masters Cup, the crowd is very warm and respectful, besides in China there are not any wacko tournament organizer/owner :o

liptea
10-21-2004, 12:41 AM
It's on the contrary. If Mactress Mac continues insulting non-american players as he did last year, it's only going to damage Houston's reputation to host such an important event, and vice versa harm US market gradually.

Not to mention the US open, how many TMS are held in US every year? And how many are held in north or south east asia?

As far as US market's concerned, my impression is it's already going down even without the relocation of TMC. Looking at US open men's final TV watching rate sloped down to historical lowest point, it says all. What american market need is an american tennis hero. It doesn't need TMC.

So before it sinks down in US,why not to cling the newly booming markets where people are keen to host such event and more than happy to welcome top players from all over the world, where tennis fans who tap the matches all year long get to see their idols face to face?

What heck your guys are thinking? Why can't your guys get head straight and look around: tennis is an international sports, and isn't it a great thing that ppl in asia have a fair share of that?

Why don't you guys get a dvd recorder and save all that crap? :o


:wavey: I wasn't saying that it should stay in the USA. Au contraire, I'm all for Shanghai.

I was just referring to Mac's statement about the United States having to watch it really late at night. We're having to do it anyway, so I want to see that gorgeous Shanghai stadium put to good use.

:hug: We're friends and completely agree.

Pea
10-21-2004, 01:05 AM
Shanghai or bust!

mitalidas
10-21-2004, 02:26 AM
Cost of running a tournament at the Houston Club.... $1,000,000
50 new rackets for smashed ones.....$25000
American Flags for spectators to wave.....$500000
Look on Jim's face for a Federer-Hewitt final.... Priceless

There are some things that money can buy.... for the rest of the fun, there's the HOUSTON lousy TMC

;)

liptea
10-21-2004, 03:26 AM
Cost of running a tournament at the Houston Club.... $1,000,000
50 new rackets for smashed ones.....$25000
American Flags for spectators to wave.....$500000
Face on Jim's face for a Federer-Hewitt final.... Priceless

There are some things that money can buy.... for the rest of the fun, there's the HOUSTON lousy TMC

;)

w00t w00t. :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :yippee: :yippee:

federer_roar
10-21-2004, 07:58 AM
I was just referring to Mac's statement about the United States having to watch it really late at night.

I have repsonded to that statement and your comment about US market. No need to repeat.

Roger-No.1
10-24-2004, 09:43 PM
This was an interesting thread. Those who insulted others can't take back what they said.

About Shangai, ATP was smart. There's lots of money in China and local fans really love international events. China is a great country.

and MAC is DUMB.

There are tennis fans all over the world. And they buy tickets too.... a lot of them! They make tennis profitable for other countries too. We all know that...... expcept Matress Mac.

Ruski
10-25-2004, 11:52 AM
HaHa~~~~~ :haha: Hey Mac.... something got you back...... :devil:

"Moving back to Shanghai!!!" A big applaud by me!!!! :bigclap:

Bilbo
10-25-2004, 11:54 AM
great decision :yeah:

Shanghai was sold out in 2002. Great athmosphere there. I remember.