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Safin: I shouldn't have won the US Open

Tennis Fool
05-25-2004, 10:33 PM
Probably if I would not win US Open, I would have won another Grand Slams and much more than one. So it's also -- it's two-side story.

But I was playing really well and I was just lucky to win the tournament.

This is what he said in his interview today :o

What do you guys think?

LCeh
05-25-2004, 10:34 PM
:lol: "Origianlly Posted by Safin"

Not sure what he really meant, maybe he meant that he would be more motivated now if he hadn't won it?

Deboogle!.
05-25-2004, 10:37 PM
I think he needs to be proud of himself and more confident in his abilities! He won it and he won it while playing great and he deserved it. And him winning that slam shouldn't affect his confidence or mentality in other slams! He's got a ton of talent and he will win more slams, but not if he keeps thinking and talking that way IMO

jrm
05-25-2004, 10:39 PM
Oh Marat, sometimes is better to be quiet ...

Havok
05-25-2004, 11:47 PM
so not winning that USO would have clearly made him win some other slam, and not only one but many more...........:retard:

the cat
05-25-2004, 11:49 PM
In retrospect I think Safin is right. Winning a grand slam at the tender age 20 put alot of pressure on Marat and great expectations, too. And in early 2002 he played with injuries that eventually took a toll on him. He was a rising star in 2002 and felt the tour needed him playing even if he was hurt. I think Safin has made alot of mistakes and I hope he won't repeat those mistakes the rest of his career. His biggest problem has been the injuries. If Marat can stay healthy for a couple of years perhaps he can become a great tennis player again. :D

Lisbeth
05-26-2004, 12:07 AM
I think I know what he means (maybe?) but I think that whoever wins a slam "deserves" it no matter what. Luck plays a part for every single one of them. Sure the luck has to be greater for a Thomas Johannson than for a Pete Sampras, but at the end of the day every winner has both an element of luck and an element of talent. Since the winner is the only player able to produce 7 consecutive wins at that particular slam then they deserve the title. I know this sounds trite but a lot of people seem to think that some winners don't deserve their titles.

tangerine_dream
05-26-2004, 12:42 AM
I agree with what the cat said.

But it's better to win one slam than none at all...better to be a one-hit wonder than a journeyman. :)

PennyThePenguin
05-26-2004, 01:44 AM
well said tangy... at least they lived up to their "reputation" that one moment in time...

Leo
05-26-2004, 01:49 AM
Possibly. Although can anyone really blame his lack of success in 2001 on anything other than constant nagging injuries and his collapse in the 2002 Aussie Open final on anything other than his underestimating of Thomas Johansson? But I guess no one really knows what's going on in Marat's head, so maybe it is true that the US Open win at such a young age hurt him in the long run.

tangerine_dream
05-26-2004, 02:00 AM
well said tangy... at least they lived up to their "reputation" that one moment in time...

Agreed. And even though the pressure to perform at your top game is immense, at least he'll always have "I did it once; I can do it again" hanging in the back of his mind. As opposed to the endless earworms in your head always asking yourself, "My god, will I EVER win a slam in my lifetime?"

PennyThePenguin
05-26-2004, 02:12 AM
As opposed to the endless earworms in your head always asking yourself, "My god, will I EVER win a slam in my lifetime?"


:haha: :haha: :haha:

WyveN
05-26-2004, 03:43 AM
more excuses :rolleyes:

So many champions won their first slam when they weren't quite ready for it yet (Sampras, Wilander, Borg) yet they didn't end up spending their career making excuses as to why they couldn't win another one. Marat needs to get on the practice court instead of looking for excuses as to why he can't fulfil his potential.

There is a good chance that USO will end up being Marat's only slam so he should be a bit more grateful for it.

Dirk
05-26-2004, 06:19 AM
Wyvern is right, Safin is so fucking ungratful. I'm really starting to dislike his attitude. Instead of getting more mature, he is getting more immature. Safin needs to blueprint his career after 2000 season. He won 7 titles that year and it wasn't a fluke. Safin deep down, doesn't care enough to make the sacrifices in order to be a top player. He needs to stop bitching and groaning and get back to work. Just listen to Peter Saffy...ok?

Aurora
05-26-2004, 07:33 AM
We think: the guy is sooo freakin lucky to have this great talent and a job which involves playing a game and making millions. For him it's a job he didn't exactly choose or enjoys all the time or all that it requires (practice?). Ungrateful? Perhaps. But to whom? God? We think: dude, just work for it! But I know how I have to bitch and moan to do something I don't like. And yes, his work/sacrifices don't seem hard if you put it in a large perspective, but so does my sister's moaning for finishing a task for school. Be grateful you cŠn go to school. But it doesn't work that way.
He is always trying to recapture that moment where everything fell into place and he was playing brilliant hardly-an-effort tennis. Obviously, that isn't there all the time and even though he kinda realises that, there's indeed always this whiny voice "you can do better than this shitlike tennis". No one knows how things would have happened if a certain event in the past was different.

Dirk
05-26-2004, 07:54 AM
Then he should stop saying "He wants to be at the top of the game" If he said " I have no expectations and just want to enjoy my life and career" then nobody could speak against him for failing to commit to his career. When you have a player who says "I want to be number one" and has the talent to do that and win many more titles bitch about playing a match in the morning and then blames his loss on it; you have major attitude problems. I'm not sure Peter can help him. Safin seems set in his ways. Safin should look back at 2000 and say "What did I do right that year?" if he wants to be number one. He is great for the sport and I hope he fulfills his talent. This comment about his Open is just another omen like his morning match comment.

J. Corwin
05-26-2004, 07:59 AM
I see what Marat probably means, but damn, be more grateful and happy with the majors that you DO win.

merle
05-26-2004, 09:14 AM
Guys, don't you think that deep down he desperatley wants to play the perfect tennis he played against Pete in he USO final 2000 and when he is not able to he gets frustrated, dispirited... He has this image of perfection in his mind and it's eating him up really. I also understand what he meant, HE wasn't prepared for that perfection and victory then (the others even at younger age probably were) and all the praise was too much to handle and this continuous talk about his talent :rolleyes:. He never ever wants to play ulgy because of this image of perfection and high standard he set himself deep down, and of course he finds ridiculous excuses for being lazy but you can't change your nature really, at least not that much!

Lynne
05-26-2004, 10:21 AM
Is he giving himself tooo much pressure??

merle
05-26-2004, 01:27 PM
Is he giving himself tooo much pressure??

Well, Lynne, I think so yes.

Experimentee
05-26-2004, 03:37 PM
I think hes right in a way, he won it before he was ready, and then everyone was hyping him up after that, calling him the next Sampras and what not. He had too much pressure and couldnt live up to expectations. Probably if he hadnt won he'd be doing better. But still thats not an excuse, he should be mentally stronger than he is. Sampras also won a Slam before he was ready, but then won 14 in his career.

axxle
05-26-2004, 04:01 PM
In retrospect I think Safin is right. Winning a grand slam at the tender age 20 put alot of pressure on Marat and great expectations, too.

It wasn't the main problem, I believe. I think that after US'00 Marat conceited himself to be one of the greats (just too early, IMHO :)) It definitely affected his attitude to the tennis and life. Hyperinflated self-importance didn't get him too far even being coupled with enormous talent.

argiesf
05-26-2004, 04:04 PM
If you look at that comment within the context I think he is right. I feel he is a bit tired of the pressure and it is not easy for him to handle that at this moment. But, that is today and things change. If he has the HUNGER to achieve something else - he has the talent. If he is not hungry then he would not have the need. Also his injury requires patience - more than a year - and he has an explosive personality.

After Australia I think he thought it was going to be easier to come back. But is not.

He has everything he wants, and sometimes he doesnt seem sure of where he really wants to go. Because it seemed that he had arrived (USOPEN). Yet...lets give him time. If he should be that way or this way, I think we love him because of who he is. I love Marat. He is only 24...Sampras retired on his 30's. Cheers!

PS He doesnt have to be a genious... he is MARAT and that's enough for me! :) C"MON MARAT!!! :wavey:

Shy
05-26-2004, 04:15 PM
Marat wasn't ready for it and he wasn't mature enough to handdle all the success and pressure.

tommy_girl
05-27-2004, 12:16 AM
when he said he 'was playing really well and was just lucky to win the tournament' i thought that was contradicting. cuz when he's playing really well then it wasnt just luck that made him win. and i do believe that marat plays really well cuz aside from winning USO, he has runner up wins also from major tournaments and he deserved every win that he had.
(..i dont know if im making any sense here.. :scratch: )

argiesf
05-27-2004, 01:17 AM
C'mon they put him in front of a microphone every week and after playing - later losing coz he is coming from and injury - matches. who is not going to be pissed? http://www.mommaville.com/forums/images/smilies/kick.gifI dont take everything he says literally. KEEP LOVING HIM!! Give him a break LOVE YOU MARAT!!

drf716
05-27-2004, 01:40 PM
hey tangy your avatar's really funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whatya gonna do when clay's over lol

oxy
05-27-2004, 01:53 PM
actually safin n hewitt could have peaked too early...but i believe safin has the talent to win at least another slam...hewitt probably another USO or AO...he can't win RG or Wimby IMO...:)

tangerine_dream
05-27-2004, 03:45 PM
hey tangy your avatar's really funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whatya gonna do when clay's over lol

LOL. Thanks drf! :wavey:

I'm thinking of making a Henman av in the same pose screaming, "No! No! Not WIMBLEDON!" :bolt:

But I'm still working on various other ideas. ;)

Fumus
05-27-2004, 04:18 PM
Safin just likes to talk...he's a quote machine!

Much like Brad Gilbert..

argiesf
05-27-2004, 07:44 PM
Safin just likes to talk...he's a quote machine!

Much like Brad Gilbert..

Yeah...totally and he is really funny coz he says whats on his mind and doesnt give a damn...C'MON MARAT!!

heya
05-27-2004, 09:29 PM
Many players would love to win a slam, and he complained?!!

PennyThePenguin
05-28-2004, 12:17 AM
it's marat. his brain's wired a little differently from everyone else. ;)

argiesf
05-28-2004, 03:03 AM
Lundgren: ''Safin needs motivating''

Monday, May 24, 2004

Former player Peter Lundgren has been coaching Marat Safin these past few weeks. After taking Roger Federer under his wing for many years, the Swede is delighted to be back overseeing one of the most talented players on the circuit. Hereís a quick Q&A with Coach Lundgren.

How did you become Safinís coach?

Peter Lundgren (PL): His agent called me when he heard I had stopped working with Roger (Federer). He asked me what I was going to do and I told him I was about to have a break. I did nothing for three and a half months. Then he called me in April and asked me whether Iíd be interested in coaching Marat. Thatís how it all started.

Did you start working together in Estoril?

PL: No. I went to Estoril to touch base and see how we could sort things out. We decided on a trial period from Rome through to Wimbledon. After five tournaments - Rome, Hamburg, Roland Garros, Halle, and Wimbledon - we will decide whether to continue or bring things to an end.

Howís it going?

PL: Very well. His personality is very different to that of Rogerís but heís great. He listens to what I tell him. I really like him very much. Sometimes I wish he would be a bit more motivated. Because he has so much talent.

It has to be said youíve coached three exceptionally gifted players so far. Three world number ones - Rios, Federer, and now SafinÖ

PL: Absolutely. I was only saying the same thing to myself the other day; that I had coached probably the three most talented players of their generation (laughs). Itís funny. They are different but they also have a lot of things in common. They have so much talent that they all tend towards laziness. Because tennis comes so naturally to them.

How do you see your role with Marat?

PL: Itís mainly about getting him motivated. As you have said, Marat has so much raw talent, his potential is limitless. But he sometimes finds it hard to have fun on court and tends to get bored. Then he simply doesnítí feel like playing.

How do you think things will go for him here at Roland Garros? Heís been handed a tricky first round opponent.

PL: The first round will be tough but I think he can do really well at this tournament. If he plays to his potential, heíll go far. Calleri certainly isnít an easy customer but he has been injured for a while and isnít fully fit. Itís up to us to make the most of that.
:wavey: