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Juan Carlos defeats Tommy Haas 3-6, 6-4, 6-4, 6-2!!!!

oxy
05-25-2004, 05:37 PM
Yay...:bigclap: Juanqui overcame injury to win this match....the record of no defending champion has lost in the 1st round is still intact...;)

star
05-25-2004, 05:39 PM
:bigclap:

I'm so glad he decided to play!! :)

LCeh
05-25-2004, 05:39 PM
Juanqui!! :bounce: :banana: :D

Snoopy_Girl
05-25-2004, 05:41 PM
I'm just curious how much he was really bothered by his injury. Cuz for a guy who only practiced a little for one week, he had some damn good points.
Aah well.. anyway: Juanqui :bounce: I hope your body doesn't collapse in your next match ;) Vamos!
Tommy :sad: what did you do after that first set? :mad:

Buddy
05-25-2004, 05:42 PM
Congrats to Ferrero, good win, :yeah:

but I'm pissed at the Television coverage that DID NOT show this match live!

Deboogle!.
05-25-2004, 05:47 PM
:bigclap: :woohoo: :yippee:

Keep it up Juan Carlos!!

Neely
05-25-2004, 05:48 PM
Congrats, Juan Carlos... he played a very good 3rd and 4th set

good match, Tommy! :clap2:
I had fun watching it, especially at the beginning ;)

PinkFeatherBoa
05-25-2004, 05:57 PM
Well done Juan Carlos :bigclap:, 'twas a good decision to play.:)

Rex
05-25-2004, 06:06 PM
excellent performance, i really hope he keeps this up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yashirobai
05-25-2004, 06:22 PM
YEEEES!!! That's great!! You are my hero Ferrero!

Mrs. B
05-25-2004, 06:30 PM
Vamos, Juanquito!!!! :bounce:

J. Corwin
05-25-2004, 06:38 PM
great win JC

YoursTruly
05-25-2004, 06:39 PM
Juan Carlos really knew he was fit to play then. It was a bit scary that Haas was his 1st round opponent, but JCF won that match pretty easily, better than a draining five-setter! That's a sign of a champion, winning when you're not at your best or best shape. Congrats to Juan Carlos for playing and winning this match! :D

Billabong
05-25-2004, 06:45 PM
YEAH well done Juanqui:woohoo:! Keep up the great play:)!!!

Raul-Lopez
05-25-2004, 06:46 PM
After the last injury he has a great top form , if he win one or two more matches he will be more and more dangerous..

RogiFan88
05-25-2004, 07:54 PM
Proud of you, Juanqui, for fighting and toughing it out!!! Get some rest now before rd 2.

any hope of seeing his match tonight at 7.30pm?????? or will they just REPEAT a boring match they already showed this aft?

Aurora
05-25-2004, 08:01 PM
I only saw the first set and half the second, I got kinda worried cause Tommy was challenging JC though his first serve wasn't working well. So can anyone say how he won the match? (I know I know, by winning the points) His serve seemed kinda soft from what I could read on the speed screen, he must be bothered to hit it full.

Scotso
05-25-2004, 08:04 PM
:bounce:

LCeh
05-25-2004, 08:05 PM
No idea RogiFan, but from here (http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/index), on the right side of the page, they did tell us a bit of some of the matches... maybe they will show what they will be showing later.

alfonsojose
05-25-2004, 08:36 PM
Congrats, mosquito. I was really scared about him when he lost the first set, but he came back strongly and i could see his desire for compete.

And about humble Haas :rolleyes:, he barely said something to Ferrero at the net and had his arrogant bad loser look on his face

Mrs. B
05-25-2004, 08:41 PM
And about humble Haas :rolleyes:, he barely said something to Ferrero at the net and had his arrogant bad loser look on his face

yeah, i saw that too. nothing friendly and sportsmanlike, just a handshake and a cold look. :rolleyes:

Neely
05-25-2004, 08:42 PM
Alfonso, what did you much expect him to say? I don't know what he said, but he probably said "well played" or "good match", just a few words, had a good handshake with him and that's it. Don't know what you want more as not every player can be the biggest friend with his opponent :shrug:

Haasfan
05-25-2004, 08:43 PM
And about humble Haas :rolleyes:, he barely said something to Ferrero at the net and had his arrogant bad loser look on his face

Ermmmmmmmm, I dont think ur supposed to be happy when u lose, hes competitive, why does he have to be a bad loser to look unhappy when he loses, perfectly natural.
JCF is history, he wont win RG, he was exposed at times, and was lucky against Haas, who was far from his best and isnt really a claycourter anyway. Federer and Coria will mince him up for sure.

Marine
05-25-2004, 08:47 PM
All players should make like Ferrero ("I'm sick, I think I won't play"), they would have less pression... and the adversary is in very good mental conditions to play, when he knows at the last minute he will have to play... :rolleyes:
(Like in 2002...bravo Juanito...)

Neely
05-25-2004, 08:49 PM
and anyway, don't let us talk only about Tommy being cold and having an arrogant look on his face. Was Juan Carlos much friendlier to him??

Did he ever congratulate Tommy (like Agassi or Roddick did) for his awesome comeback this year returning from a 15 month injury layoff and already winning a title in Houston? or do we know if Juan Carlos said something nice to Tommy? Did he say to Tommy "not bad outplaying me the first two set considering that your last Grand Slam match was back in September 2002?".

So please, people. Stay with the facts and just don't come in here because you dislike Tommy and trying to bash him because of nothing.

Deboogle!.
05-25-2004, 09:01 PM
Well Neely you can read for yourself and see what he said! :) I assume it was translated, at least part of it anyway, from Spanish? I haven't read it yet, just copying and pasting

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Q. It's been a very difficult few days for you, actually kind of crazy. Everything seems to be fine now. You're on the court. You've taken some painkillers. Can you tell us how many and when did you take them?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: I take it before the match, before the match, just like half an hour before the match to try to sleep this side. And now is start to wake up again.

So, you know, the treatment of the doctor was pretty good, you know. I could play a good match for me because you said, was a very difficult day for me. Finally, I have happy day for me.

Q. Cortisone shot?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: I don't know.

Q. Was this the one and only shot you took? You didn't take anything yesterday?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: No, just today.

Q. Does it numb the ribs?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Yes, in the ribs.

Q. But it wears off eventually, so you have the pain again.

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: No is starting to feel the pain a little bit. But I hope that I have two more days to try to feel good again. If not, I will have to put it again.

Q. Did it allow you to play the kind of tennis that you want to play on the court? Did you feel you were a bit below your level?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: You know, at the beginning I feel like, you know, I couldn't play in 17 or 20 days one match and also one set, because I have a lot of problems. So I start to feel better and better in the second set, you know. I start to feel my forehand very good, you know, and my backhand.

Physically, I start to feel a little bit tired in the third set, but I was passing the -- enjoying the time and try to not thinking physically I'm tired.

Q. When was the pain during the match? Was it more and more or less and less?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: No, no. During the match, it sleep in the zone and I don't feel any pain. I could play normal.

Q. Did the doctor say there was no risk at all to play?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: No risk. No risk. You know, I put injection because is no risk. You know, two years ago I take some risk with my ankle, but this time is no risk for the rib. You know, I take the decision to put it because is no risk.

Q. Are you normally a person who feels like he does not want to take pain injections, even if it's necessary to play? Do you have a philosophical objection to using painkillers?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: You know, if I can't, I don't want to put it, for sure. But, you know, is Roland Garros and I'm trying to defend a title, you know. If there is no risk to put it, I think any player put the injection.

Q. After this first match, how would you assess your chances of going all the way in this tournament?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: You know, I have to go day by day and I will see how I can play in the court, if I can play my level. We'll see. I'm not thinking in the next weeks. I have to think in the next match and focus on the next.

Q. How does this affect your practice schedule between matches, like tomorrow?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Tomorrow if I feel pain, of course I'm not going to practice, because for practice it's normal that I don't want to put injections. Maybe I will run a little bit, you know, if I feel normal. Then I will go to the court like today. I didn't warm up this morning, you know. I went to the court (inaudible).

Q. This makes it doubly difficult to win this championship because you can't practice between matches?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Always is difficult when you have a problem, physical problem. I have to go day by day and will see how it's going on.

Q. On which shot is it more painful?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Serve.

Q. Forehand and backhand is okay?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: From the baseline, it's perfect.

Q. How would you rate your level regarding Monte-Carlo or Valencia today?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: I think I was playing better.

THE MODERATOR: Questions in Spanish.

Q. This was again something new for you in your life, injections, painkillers. It's not something you're used to. Did it help you to go through the first round? You looked a bit worried the first set.

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Well, I had been without playing a match or a set for some time. I didn't play Rome. I didn't play Hamburg. I hadn't even trained much. So, obviously, I wasn't really into the match in the beginning.

I was trying to see how I felt on the court. I wasn't moving. I wasn't in the right position. And then slowly I started feeling better on the court. I was very motivated because over the past few days, I was really thinking that I wasn't going to play because of the pain.

But yesterday I sort of made a few tests and it wasn't going very well. I had a lot of doubts. Today it could go either way. It could go well, it could go badly. I mean, in the second set, I started playing better, and I wasn't serving very well. I tried not to take any risks. I was feeling better physically. I was warming up. I was a bit tired because of the lack of exercise over the past period, but I think in the end it's been a positive day.

After so many problems and difficulties, the fact I was able to get through the match up to the end. It's not even so much a matter of winning or losing anymore. What I wanted was to be able to finish a match, to be there and be with the public. I've really got to thank the organizers for scheduling my match at the end of the second day so that enabled me to rest and be ready to play.

Q. You didn't think it was ironic that the end of that set, he was the one who had physical problems?>

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Well, yes. Taking another set to play could be, of course, dangerous because the pain could start coming back. But I think, in fact, it was practice against a good player.

Q. Can you tell us what you did this morning exactly, what you've been taking?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: I haven't done anything this morning. I came at 12:30, a little bit before the match. I took a couple of injections. It was a painkiller, anesthetic of some sort. I don't really know what it was.

Q. (No microphone.)

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Six or seven, I can't remember.

Q. What about warming up?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Obviously, you warm up a bit because you've got to sort of be ready.

Q. How long did you warm up?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: About five or ten minutes.

Q. (No microphone.)

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: I put a compress tape also on my ribs to keep it in position, keep it warm, but I didn't feel any pain during the match.

During the past few weeks, I've been feeling pain. Over the past four hours, I haven't felt any pain, which is quite a relief. Also the fact that I could play well.

Q. Have you felt over the past few weeks that you really had a lot of bad luck? You've had a lot of problems?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Yes, I had a lot of problems. There seems to be no end to them. But I really wanted to come back onto the court to play, to play a match. The last tournament I did in Valencia, it was no fun because I wasn't playing very well. I played very badly in Monte-Carlo.

I really wanted, after missing out on Rome and Hamburg, to come here and have fun. I was beginning to think that that would not be possible. At the end of the day, I was able to do it, so I'm very happy.

Q. What about the future?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: I'm taking one day at a time. After this day, I'll have to see how I wake up tomorrow. If I'm in pain again...

I hope I'll be better because the doctor is saying this pain should end after about three weeks, which is about now. So I suppose the pain should start disappearing and it won't come back.

Q. Have you been through anti-doping tests?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: No, I haven't. But even if I did, quite frankly, there wouldn't be any positive result. Nothing to do with doping. It's just a mild anesthetic. There's no hormones to play in what they've given me.

alfonsojose
05-25-2004, 09:06 PM
Of course i wasn't expecting Haas to make a party , but he was really cold and barely shaked Ferrero's hand. I don't like him but i'm not into bashing. You'll never see me in long threads about this player or that match, .... bla, bla, bla. His behaviour at the net was particularly cold, that's all

good luck. ;)

amethyst
05-25-2004, 09:07 PM
All players should make like Ferrero ("I'm sick, I think I won't play"), they would have less pression... and the adversary is in very good mental conditions to play, when he knows at the last minute he will have to play... :rolleyes:
(Like in 2002...bravo Juanito...)

It´s very low to accuse an injured player of using (or even faking?) his injury to put his opponent in a questionable mental condition. I don´t doubt Ferrero would be much happier being healthy.

Horatio Caine
05-25-2004, 09:10 PM
Well played Juanui! If he wins matches like that without over - stretching then he may be a sreious threat later on but i still think the title is beyond hope. :tears:

Neely
05-25-2004, 09:15 PM
Alfonso, I know you are not a basher (sry, shouldn't be intended to say that)... I agree with you that Haas can be really arrogant (I've also said that lots of times) but finally, the question that raises for me is whether Juan Carlo's behavior at the net was not as "cold" as Tommy's? :shrug:

lalaland
05-25-2004, 09:23 PM
All players should make like Ferrero ("I'm sick, I think I won't play"), they would have less pression... and the adversary is in very good mental conditions to play, when he knows at the last minute he will have to play... :rolleyes:
(Like in 2002...bravo Juanito...)


To make it believable, he skipped 4TMS and lost in the first round in MC, all just to make less pression on himself in RG. Smart strategy.

If Tommy took him lightly, then what does that say about Tommy? Perhaps he didn't see Agassi got beaten by Haehnal yesterday?

lalaland
05-25-2004, 09:29 PM
Ferrero conquers Haas and pain
By Araz Gulekjian
Tuesday, May 25, 2004

Embattled defending champion Juan-Carlos Ferrero (No4) needed the help of painkillers to withstand a stiff challenge from Germany’s Tommy Haas and move into the second round.

The courageous Spaniard, who has been nursing a rib injury for weeks, recovered from a set down to oust Haas 3-6 6-4 6-4 6-2.

“A half an hour before the match, I took some painkillers. I’m just starting to feel the pain again now,” said Ferrero, who has never fared worse than the semi finals in four previous trips here.

The 24-year-old was clearly hampered by the injury though, uncommonly inconsistent and never able to deploy his explosive clay-court game.

Haas, who was competing in his first Roland Garros after being sidelined throughout the 2003 season with a right shoulder injury, broke once in the seventh game to earn the first set.

But Ferrero began to find his range in the second and began to claw his way back into the match.

The titleholder then grew in confidence and broke down the resistance of his opponent in the next two sets to secure victory.

“I started to feel better and better in the second set. Physically, I felt tired in the third set but I was trying not to think about it.”

Ferrero said his injury had no impact on his ground strokes and that it only affected his delivery.

“The backhand and forehand were perfect. It’s only during the serve I felt the pain,” said Ferrero, who only took the decision to participate after practice on Monday.

“There was no risk,” the Spaniard admitted. “Two years ago, I took some risk with my ankle, but this time there was no risk. That’s why I took a decision to play.”

The former world number one has missed a month of the season with chickenpox, and lost in the first round as defending champion at Monte Carlo, before bruising his ribs in a fall on 8 May while practising in Spain.

With only five wins on clay – and two losses – his 2004 record pales in comparison to his 21-2 win-loss ratio last year.

Asked about his chances to repeat, Ferrero responded cautiously: “I have to go day by day. We will see how I feel in two days.”

The fourth seed is now slated to face Russian Igor Andreev, an easy victor over Czech Jan Vacek 6-3 6-1 6-4.



I agree he is a little lucky to win this, because his forehand is not nearly as powerful even though he thought he played perfect :rolleyes: . His serve is slow, just look at his average serve speed. To go further into the draw, he will have to gain some power back. Tommy is a good player, to be able to past him will give JC a boost of confident.

Neely
05-25-2004, 09:31 PM
To make it believable, he skipped 4TMS and lost in the first round in MC, all just to make less pression on himself in RG. Smart strategy.

exactly, that makes no sense and such assumptions are just total crap.

BTW, I don't think Tommy took him not serious enough... I mean, who else can be your thoughest draw than the defending champion and (sorry, Coria) ,for me, the best claycourter in the world?

Ferrero found his rhythm after some start-up problems and the match went the way you could expect it to go: Ferrero winning!

lalaland
05-25-2004, 09:34 PM
[QUOTE=lalaland]To make it believable, he skipped 4TMS and lost in the first round in MC, all just to make less pression on himself in RG. Smart strategy.
/QUOTE]
exactly, that makes no sense and such assumptions are just total crap.

BTW, I don't think Tommy took him not serious enough... I mean, who else can be your thoughest draw than the defending champion and (sorry, Coria) ,for me, the best claycourter in the world?




I don't either. But was suggested so I counter. Tommy is a good player, he knows better. If he wasn't playing Ferrero, I would have wish him to go further because he's playing well after the injury.

lalaland
05-25-2004, 09:40 PM
It's wonderful that he past the first round and avoid making history. He sounds too relieved though in his interview, I hope he keeps his determination and wins some more rounds. However, him defending the title is still a stretch.

Alan
05-25-2004, 10:10 PM
YEEEES!!! That's great!! You are my hero Ferrero!


YES! he is my hero too! :worship:

VAMOS Juanqui!!!

athie
05-25-2004, 10:20 PM
I only just finished trawling through the interviews on the official RG site and after watching JCF’s interview find it quite disturbing that JCF was literally interrogated about the painkillers he'd taken prior to the match. Personally I’d have preferred to hear about the game itself.
Anyhoo well played JC

COMA
05-25-2004, 10:32 PM
Well done Juanito :banana:

:yeah:

RogiFan88
05-25-2004, 10:34 PM
good point, athie! [you're Scottish? if so, COOL!]

Carito_90
05-25-2004, 10:35 PM
:woohoo: Yay Juanqui! I knew you were gonna win, I knew this was the right desition! :woohoo:
I'm so proud of you :kiss:
Now go for the next match! I'm sure you'll feel a lot better :)

athie
05-25-2004, 10:42 PM
good point, athie! [you're Scottish? if so, COOL!]

Sadly I'm not, just reside in those parts. :)

I'm actually bloody furious with the guy who interviewed JCF. Oh sorry I meant badgered!!!

Havok
05-25-2004, 11:29 PM
:dance: Really glad he decided to play and pulled out the win :rocker2:

but like someone said, for a guy who was seriously injured and couldn't even practice properly, let alone play a best of 5 sets match on cla, its a little :retard:

lalaland
05-25-2004, 11:45 PM
:dance: Really glad he decided to play and pulled out the win :rocker2:

but like someone said, for a guy who was seriously injured and couldn't even practice properly, let alone play a best of 5 sets match on cla, its a little :retard:

as :retard: as for a guy who said to have throw up all night, couldn't eat whole day and almost pulled out of his match minutes before it starts, while still manage to win a best of 5 sets match.

Leo
05-26-2004, 01:32 AM
I'm impressed. Very nice win for him after a long lay-off, with no match play and little practice, and considering he's only partially fit. He better watch out for Benneteau in the 3rd round (assuming he can take out the Russian indoor player in the 2nd round), because he showed in that match against Coria in Miami that he can play with the best in the business. His serve is also a major liability that needs to be fixed for him to continue advancing in the tournament.

Leo
05-26-2004, 01:34 AM
yeah, i saw that too. nothing friendly and sportsmanlike, just a handshake and a cold look. :rolleyes:

That's not very different from most of the tour.

Chloe le Bopper
05-26-2004, 01:40 AM
To make it believable, he skipped 4TMS and lost in the first round in MC, all just to make less pression on himself in RG. Smart strategy.

If Tommy took him lightly, then what does that say about Tommy? Perhaps he didn't see Agassi got beaten by Haehnal yesterday?
Who knew that Ferrero was so brilliant?

Chloe le Bopper
05-26-2004, 01:43 AM
It's wonderful that he past the first round and avoid making history. He sounds too relieved though in his interview, I hope he keeps his determination and wins some more rounds. However, him defending the title is still a stretch.
Agreed. I'm just hoping for a couple more rounds and then we'll see what happens. If he loses in the next round even, well, at least he gave it a go.

There will always be sour-graped Ferrero "haters" to bitch about him coming back... those people won't be happy until he's carried off on a stretcher, so fuck them ;) If Haas didn't come out to play, thinking he was going ot face a lucky loser and not Ferrero, that is his fault. Not Ferrero's. :D

Leo
05-26-2004, 01:44 AM
Q. Are you normally a person who feels like he does not want to take pain injections, even if it's necessary to play? Do you have a philosophical objection to using painkillers?

Philosophical objection? It's not like he's taken stimulants or something. Why would this be objected to if the player is seriously injured?

Chloe le Bopper
05-26-2004, 02:06 AM
as :retard: as for a guy who said to have throw up all night, couldn't eat whole day and almost pulled out of his match minutes before it starts, while still manage to win a best of 5 sets match.
Haaa.:D

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones ;)

Chloe le Bopper
05-26-2004, 02:07 AM
Philosophical objection? It's not like he's taken stimulants or something. Why would this be objected to if the player is seriously injured?
I think that the dude actually meant to say "moral objection", but failed in his mighty quest to sound more intelligent than he really is ;)

Tommy'sGF
05-26-2004, 03:11 AM
Tommy :( El mosquito es un embustero!!!!

Ferrero jóroobate!!!

RogiFan88
05-26-2004, 03:26 AM
Why didn't Tommy take advantage of his draw?? Did he get cramps in his thigh? He s be hydrating... naughty boy!