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Andy *loses* to Mutis in the second round..

Fumus
05-21-2004, 02:39 PM
"And there was much rejoicing..."

-Monty Python

http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=/posting/2004/520/MDS.pdf

Deboogle!.
05-21-2004, 02:42 PM
Yes, we're already discussing it in the RG thread :)

You like predicting, wanna do a prediction with a blurb of a couple sentences for RO? Just PM it to me anytime before their match if you want :)

Fumus
05-21-2004, 02:43 PM
Yea, I would love to Deb.

tangerine_dream
05-21-2004, 03:58 PM
Rejoicing? Isn't Martin the grandfather who loves to torture the younger players with killer 5 setters and numerous angina-inducing TBs?

I won't be rejoicing until Andy makes it past the first round. :(

Fumus
05-21-2004, 04:12 PM
well maybe, I am a closet Todd Martin fan and I am just rejoicing for him and his magical unibrow ( :( <--Does this resemble Todd Martin??) or maybe...

...Andy needs a five setter to makeup for some of the match time he has missed on clay or maybe...

...Andy needs an easy match to build his confidence or maybe...

...Andy is really in trouble if he can't beat the Grey Ghost or maybe...

...you will just have to wait until I do my "Official Skyler Picks" to end this speculation, I guess for this tourny they will be on RO.com, you'll have to check there...

J. Corwin
05-21-2004, 09:10 PM
Drawing him in the first round is exactly THAT good...given their past matches. ;)

Deboogle!.
05-21-2004, 09:35 PM
but actually their past clay matches were both straight sets for Andy, one even in Hamburg! Granted not for 2 years...

J. Corwin
05-21-2004, 09:38 PM
Let's just put it this way: "Andy at RG" LOL :p

But of course I'm confident he'll win. :wavey:

Deboogle!.
05-21-2004, 09:52 PM
yea Jace... exactly, which is why I'm trying to keep my rising hopes in check :p

J. Corwin
05-21-2004, 09:54 PM
It's gonna be a bad hangover if Andy deflates us. :(

Deboogle!.
05-21-2004, 09:56 PM
yes it is. Well at least I know where my parents store all the old expensive liquor :)

J. Corwin
05-21-2004, 10:07 PM
don't forget to pass it around *hiccup* :)

Deboogle!.
05-21-2004, 10:09 PM
:lol: I brought my computer from school home and I set up a wireless network so two people can use the internet. It's way in the back of the house but that happens to be where the liquor is. It's about an arm's length away from me right now :p

Deboogle!.
05-22-2004, 05:46 PM
So, so far I have a prediction from Naldo and one from Skyler on the way. Anyone wanna offer a prediction? :):):)

J. Corwin
05-22-2004, 08:50 PM
PM'd you :)

Deboogle!.
05-22-2004, 08:52 PM
:yeah: :kiss:

Fumus
05-26-2004, 02:30 PM
I posted my prediction in the skyler thread and it's on RO.com too...

Mutis....sounds like Mucus....ewwww

star
05-26-2004, 02:41 PM
Not if you pronounce it correctly, it doesn't. ;)

Fumus
05-26-2004, 02:44 PM
Why how do you say Mucus? hahaha :lol:

Deboogle!.
05-26-2004, 02:56 PM
you pronounce it like mute-eece I believe.

star
05-26-2004, 02:57 PM
it is more like moo--teece

star
05-26-2004, 02:58 PM
Anyway... however pronounced...... I hope Andy smokes him!

Fumus
05-26-2004, 02:59 PM
I was saying Muuuu--tis

Deboogle!.
05-26-2004, 02:59 PM
Anyway... however pronounced...... I hope Andy smokes him!

:haha:

Fumus
05-26-2004, 03:02 PM
Andy don't smoke him...we don't know the effects of smoking Mutis on the central nervous system...

star
05-26-2004, 03:03 PM
:lol:

Fumus
05-26-2004, 03:07 PM
just dispose of him quickly..if you start to loose, pull that portable Hard Court out of your pocket and play him on that...good luck!!

Havok
05-26-2004, 04:11 PM
OMFG Skyler :bigcry::bigcry:

well so far, Andy is smoking Mutis. Allez Andy :smoke:

Havok
05-26-2004, 05:15 PM
I take it back, he went from :smoke: to :retard:

- L i n a -
05-26-2004, 05:19 PM
I take it back, he went from :smoke: to :retard:
Sadness ensues.

tangerine_dream
05-26-2004, 05:20 PM
LOL Naldo.

How is that Andy can beat one player in straights while sick but lose a set while perfectly healthy?

He crazy :cuckoo:

Shy
05-26-2004, 05:21 PM
:timebomb:
Mutis is no spaniard or good clay court player.He is just half-decent.Mutis tend to choke anyway.such a waste of talent

tangerine_dream
05-26-2004, 05:34 PM
6-3, 3-6, now it's 4-4 in the third (according to Eurosport) ... sounds like Andy and Mutis are an even match-up. Is anyone watching this live? How do Andy and Mutis look? Is the crowd booing Andy again for no reason? :devil:

LCeh
05-26-2004, 05:38 PM
No, but the crowd just gave Andy a major boo for complaining again. I THINK Mutis put up his hand and told Andy to not serve yet, but he served anyway, and it went out, or something like that, and he complained a little, and the crowd went crazy.

I will definitely give the edge to Andy at this stage. He has much more power, and he is fired up.

tangerine_dream
05-26-2004, 05:54 PM
Well, if the crowd booing Andy fires him up, they can continue booing. lol. ;)

Havok
05-26-2004, 06:13 PM
Sadness ensues.
OMFG Lina :bigcry::bigcry: you sign up to tell me sadness ensues :haha:

Fumus
05-26-2004, 06:38 PM
Naldo can't stop staring at your ave....:drool:

J. Corwin
05-26-2004, 06:47 PM
Andy needs patience pills....

LCeh
05-26-2004, 06:48 PM
He is just self destructing here. Hitting forehands way long, S&V on bad second serves, just doing EVERYTHING wrong right now... :rolleyes:

LCeh
05-26-2004, 06:51 PM
I am sorry, but this is just :lol: whenever I see Brad, he is scratching his head.

The crowd is booing for Andy's lack of effort again... God... what an awful moment for Andy right now... :(

MisterQ
05-26-2004, 06:52 PM
It's a Teenage Mutis Ninja Turtle!!!

MisterQ
05-26-2004, 06:52 PM
ok, that was a pretty bad one... :lol:

Shy
05-26-2004, 06:54 PM
Mutis is getting tired,but Andi is not even trying.

BaselineSmash
05-26-2004, 06:54 PM
LOL Naldo.

How is that Andy can beat one player in straights while sick but lose a set while perfectly healthy?

He crazy :cuckoo:

Well obviously Mutis is a bit more of a claycourt grinder unlike Martin who, whilst accomplished on the surface, gives Andy just the kind of quick-points rallies he likes. Andy has been totally worn out here by Mutis. And there's also the fact that the Suzanne Lenglen court plays much slower than the Chatrier, and from watching this macth I can see it has taken a lot of the sting out of Andy's big serve.

J. Corwin
05-26-2004, 06:55 PM
Andy is not thinking clearly. He's going for the wrong shots and ending the points too soon. He should make Oliver work work and work.

Shy
05-26-2004, 06:58 PM
Mutis tend to choke so it ain't over till is over.

J. Corwin
05-26-2004, 07:03 PM
Well it is over. ;)

Deboogle!.
05-26-2004, 07:07 PM
stupid fucking moron. let him back into it so many times and he just kept playing better. I'm not even that upset. I'm just pissed at him.

LCeh
05-26-2004, 07:09 PM
Andy clearly had the game to beat Mutis. He was more fit, more powerful, and can endure 5 set matches. He just need to fix his mentality and his tactics.

Deboogle!.
05-26-2004, 07:10 PM
yea exactly. If this match were on anything but clay OR in the US where he felt comfortable he would've won. You could see his lack of confidence when it got tight. And usually he's an excellent front runner.

Oh well they must be loving this in GM/

Havok
05-26-2004, 07:18 PM
:drive: what a loss :cool: he played like ass after he won thatt 1st set. I can say that I haven't seen him play any worse than he did today

Deboogle!.
05-26-2004, 08:02 PM
I have... today the problem was inconsistency. it was great for one point or one game then like total ass. He's played like ass consistently before so that would be worse. :p

J. Corwin
05-26-2004, 08:52 PM
Well in my predictions I did say that Andy would win in straights...provided he has a great serving day. ;) Bad serving + clay = ass Andy

Deboogle!.
05-26-2004, 08:54 PM
yea that's the worst he's served..... o wait. since Rome, and before that the Houston final. He really needs to find his serve for grass and he needs to get his fucking ass to London.

Fumus
05-26-2004, 08:55 PM
Glad I didn't see it and I tuned out for most of the match..

J. Corwin
05-26-2004, 09:08 PM
yea that's the worst he's served..... o wait. since Rome, and before that the Houston final. He really needs to find his serve for grass and he needs to get his fucking ass to London.

In Andy's interview afterwards (with Pat and Chris), Andy said he'll come back to the States and rest BEFORE heading over to London. :o

Deboogle!.
05-26-2004, 09:08 PM
yes Jace, check out my "needed to start a new thread" thread for my rant.

Fumus
05-26-2004, 09:09 PM
rarary raray...ooo...Debmaster alittle mistaken..

Deboogle!.
05-26-2004, 09:10 PM
what am I mistaken about?

Fumus
05-26-2004, 09:11 PM
You said no London...just going to back to states..

Deboogle!.
05-26-2004, 09:12 PM
no I didn't.... he's going to the states BEFORE London. I didn't say he wasn't going to London. huh?

Fumus
05-26-2004, 09:14 PM
oooo well, yea I think going back home will be good. He needs to get his head straight..

Deboogle!.
05-26-2004, 09:17 PM
He had time to do that already. He skipped MC to get his head on straight, he went home after Rome to get his head on straight. His head should be ok!!! If he can go right to London after the lowest point of his career after losing to Sargsian last year, he can go now. He needs to be a place where he is comfortable playing and he is comfortable now on the grass of London, he needs to go there and put in the 10 days of work before Queens.

Shy
05-26-2004, 09:18 PM
I am stating to question his motivation.

Fumus
05-26-2004, 09:23 PM
His head isn't straight and even if it is, he can always break out a level and get it straighter, more focused...the Big W is what it is all about...

J. Corwin
05-26-2004, 09:24 PM
I think Andy's will to fight to the end has deflated somewhat. And that is/was the strongest part of him.

Deboogle!.
05-26-2004, 09:25 PM
I just posted a good article and Andy's interview in the French thread. I haven't read his interview yet, my parents want the computer so I'm going to the back of the house to the other one to read it. I just need to sleep a lot:(

J. Corwin
05-26-2004, 09:41 PM
I just read it. Thanks. :)

tangerine_dream
05-26-2004, 09:53 PM
I think Andy's will to fight to the end has deflated somewhat. And that is/was the strongest part of him.

It's also uncharacteristic of him. Like you said, he self-destructed. He defeated himself. If this were a hardcourt, no way would he have given up like that. During that match, he must've convinced himself that he cannot play on clay (plus it was raining which made it worse) and he needs to find a way to remove that mental block.

Deboogle!.
05-26-2004, 09:55 PM
totally agree, tangy.. and it's even wrose that this was the third of his last 4 matches on clay that was the same way.

J. Corwin
05-26-2004, 10:06 PM
I know it must be frustrating to not hit through and dictate points against your opponent. Brad should have worked with Andy on patience for clay. Whatever.

Deboogle!.
05-26-2004, 10:10 PM
I'm sure they did. He showed moments of it throughout the match, I don't know that I think the lack of patience was what was the problem today by and large (it was on a few specific points but not for the most part IMO), it was the mentality falling apart in general which obviously affected his patience. And that comes from a combination of him "taking the foot off the gas" as someone said in his press conference and him getting a little teensy bit complacent, his opponent throwing him off with a change-up halfway through the match and his underlying lack of confidence on clay and also in his game plan (since he said he couldn't stick to it, there must be a reason why he was "waffling" so much).

sagroove
05-26-2004, 10:14 PM
Andy clearly had the game to beat Mutis. He was more fit, more powerful, and can endure 5 set matches. He just need to fix his mentality and his tactics.


More fit? I dont think so! If you think this, you have no freakin idea what the word "fit" is. Just look at the both of them why dont you. Mutis is WAY fitter - slender and quick - and moved better than roddick on the clay. Fact is he blew it and gave up.

LCeh
05-26-2004, 10:17 PM
Andy showed no sign of tiredness. You could tell from the way he was breathing. He wasn't moving as quick as Olivier simply because- he doesn't move that quick. Mutis was breathing hard at the end of fourth set.

YoursTruly
05-26-2004, 10:17 PM
I think he needs to get rid of the bleached blonde sitting in the stands who doesn't know what's going on...or where she is for that matter! She's a bad luck heap of peroxide.
GOOD JOB OLIVIER!!! :D

Deboogle!.
05-26-2004, 10:20 PM
Andy showed no sign of tiredness. You could tell from the way he was breathing. He wasn't moving as quick as Olivier simply because- he doesn't move that quick. Mutis was breathing hard at the end of fourth set.

Nope none at all. He looked physically ok to me, especially compared to Monday! Mutis is quick but by the 5th he was way more tired than Andy IMO. But he had the crowd, the momentum, and the adrenaline that Andy could not seem to muster. Andy was breathing heavily/grunting throughout the whole match, which I thought was unusual for him, but I'm pretty confident that had nothing to do with any physical issues. I mean I doubt he was fully 100% after his stomach bug but Andy's physical fitness had absolutely nothing to do with what happened to Andy today IMO.

J. Corwin
05-26-2004, 10:49 PM
Andy was grunting cuz he was putting in a lot of effort (for when he actually did) IMO. That was evident when he was trying to stay in the longer rallies.

Deboogle!.
05-26-2004, 11:06 PM
yes that's how I interpreted it too.

star
05-27-2004, 04:08 AM
I just finished watching the match. I didn't know the score beforehand. I feel sorry for you guys who had to watch it live. Sometimes I just HAD to fast forward!

Andy :smash: He had that match won like about 3 times and each time handed it right back to Oliver (who totally deserved the win). I honestly didn't watch the last set after it was 0-3. I just sort of fast forwarded. Really ridiculous the way Andy played It was like he expected Mutis to go away after Andy got up a set and then again after he got up two sets. I just don't know. I was so mad at Andy during this match. But, sometimes I was really happy with him.. but then mad at him again, and then just :confused: about his 5th set collapse.

And NOW can we get rid of the green outfit???

Deboogle!.
05-27-2004, 04:41 AM
yep star, that pretty much sums it up. well, you can read my rants all over the place here. Sorry for subjecting everyone to that.

But, how did you manage to JUST watch the match and avoid all news about it? omg that would have killed me!

star
05-27-2004, 04:52 AM
I was gone out of the office for most of the day, and then when I got back there was a lot to do, so it was pretty easy. I like watching tennis much better when I don't know the score. It's pretty easy not to do something you know will spoil your pleasure. I learned my lesson the year I was snoopy with my presents and by the time Christmas came around, there were no surprises for me.

I did have the luxury of fast forwarding though. :)

MisterQ
05-27-2004, 05:10 AM
I have to say I enjoyed watching Mutis' reaction, and his parents. He's funny because he crinkles up his nose when he smiles, lol. ;)

also, Andy was very gracious throughout the match.

Nishy
05-27-2004, 08:04 AM
It was little disappointment match today. But I was glad he stopped the record for lost 3 consecutive years in first round.

Does anyone know whether Andy grew up in red clay when he was junior or not? When I watched Andy vs. Haas match in Rome in 2002 on Japan TV, a Japanese commentator said there are many clay courts in Florida and Andy might used to play in clay rather than hard-court. But I'm not sure it is true. Why I am asking is I saw the thread about Americans on red clay in GM and if Andy grew up in red clay and familiar with it I thought it helps him. Because I still believe he can play well in European clay court someday soon (I said many time about this though, sorry).

Dirk
05-27-2004, 08:06 AM
Andy had a reaction that was just like his one with Coria in the Cup. He got pissed off and in the cup he was able to blow Coria off the court, but here the shots came back and eventually Andy over hit his forehand. That was the demeanor for about 3 games in the 5th set. Andy wasn't tired, frankly I'm sick to death of people always assuming someone tires out in the 5th set and loses it. Could it be that people just get outplayed or play a bad game to lose it? Holy Grass will make Andy forget all about clay and RG. God help USA in the DC final. The worst is yet to come.

Neely
05-27-2004, 10:01 AM
No, but the crowd just gave Andy a major boo for complaining again.
yeah I know what you mean

the crowd should have better given him applause as he applauded to good shots of Mutis several times before :fiery:

What the FUCK do they expect him to do? :mad:
Should he say "yes" to every call even when he believes it was wrong. I would challenge every call when I believe it is wrong, that's why we are playing on clay to see the marks

Dirk
05-27-2004, 10:18 AM
When you're playing a frenchman there is nothing you can do to make the crowd happy. Andy will probably be more successful than any french player to come out of the 21st century.

star
05-27-2004, 01:31 PM
It was little disappointment match today. But I was glad he stopped the record for lost 3 consecutive years in first round.

Does anyone know whether Andy grew up in red clay when he was junior or not? When I watched Andy vs. Haas match in Rome in 2002 on Japan TV, a Japanese commentator said there are many clay courts in Florida and Andy might used to play in clay rather than hard-court. But I'm not sure it is true. Why I am asking is I saw the thread about Americans on red clay in GM and if Andy grew up in red clay and familiar with it I thought it helps him. Because I still believe he can play well in European clay court someday soon (I said many time about this though, sorry).

Neely, Andy started playing tennis in Texas where his family moved when he was about 3 years old. (Naldo or Deb) would better give you the exact age). Texas is where Andy began playing tennis. Texas is mostly hardcourts. But there might be a few green clay courts around too. The family moved from Texas to Florida for his older brother's tennis training. I think that was when Andy was around 10 or so. (again Naldo or Deb) There are green clay courts in Florida as well as hard courts, but I have no idea of the ratio. Andy must have had some green clay experience in Florida though. Hope this helps.

Deboogle!.
05-27-2004, 03:34 PM
Andy has said he grew up playing on green and some red clay. We know that when he was back in the US between Rome and Paris that he was on red clay at Krickstein's club, so there are clay courts in the US. Last night PMac was saying that most of the clay courts in the US are in Florida so considering Andy lived in Florida from what, like 7yrs on? he should've played on clay but it was probably mostly green, but I'm sure the majority of what he played on was hardcourt. Actually I'd guess he played much more on clay then grass! And he's said time and time again that til he was like 16-17, he was short and had to be a scrappy baseliner. I wonder where all that ability went, or maybe he just sucked at it and didn't get good til he grew :p

Anyway, after Andy's match against Todd, Brad said one of the more intelligent things I've heard come out of his match - he knew that andy was going to have to be on his very best behavior during a match against a Frenchman. CLEARLY, Andy took Brad's advice, but now that I think about it, I wonder if this ultimately hurt Andy. It's almost like he changed his personality for the match... he visibly curttailed his behavior to adjust to the crowd. I mean, Andy always applauds good shots by his opponent (and actually all the American guys do, it's very cute), and maybe he did it a little more than usual yesterday but it was more the stuff like being passive about calls and stuff where he would normally have been or containing himself from letting out his aggression at himself like he usually does in a tense match, I just wonder if that affected his concentration at all, if he was thinking about that when he maybe shouldn't have been.

It just reminds me of the Davis Cup playoff last fall when he said he let the crowd in Bratislava get to him and then for the next match against Beck he just tuned them out and played his match his way. I kinda wish he'd done that yesterday, not that it would have made a difference in the result, but if he was gonna get booed anyway, he might as well have gotten booed being himself, especially considering he was booed as he walked out onto the damn court. I'm sorry, but I have never heard a US crowd boo someone AS THEY WALK ON, before they could've even done anything to piss them off.

But I was as always very proud of how gracious he was, as always. The way he patted Mutis on the back and was obviously saying very nice things to him just reaffirms why I like him:)

and star, I am very jealous that you could watch the match using fast-forward :) How do you like your new toy, anyway?

tangerine_dream
05-27-2004, 03:38 PM
Andy should never adjust his behavior for a rude crowd. He should make the crowd adjust to HIM. :devil:

Deboogle!.
05-27-2004, 03:43 PM
yes, exactly :) I mean there's trying to do little things here and there to not rile them up, but I felt like he really radically changed some of his behavior just to avoid riling up the crowd and I just think it'd have been better for him to do what JCap did and say Screw you and use it to pump himself up instead of distracting him.

Neely
05-27-2004, 03:49 PM
LOL, Star... be careful to differ between Neely and Nishy ;) :p
(see your last posting in this thread)

star
05-27-2004, 04:07 PM
LOL, Star... be careful to differ between Neely and Nishy ;) :p
(see your last posting in this thread)

:o

Sorry!!!

Slip of the fingers... . ;)

Neely
05-27-2004, 04:15 PM
no problem :)

star
05-27-2004, 04:15 PM
Bunk, I think Andy's tactics with the crowd worked fine. The crowd may have booed him when he walked onto the court. (dunno... didn't see that part) but, they did not boo him during the match except for a few minor whistles when he questioned a call. I think his tactics worked. I don't see that he really plays better after he has some tirade against an umpire. Andy needs to learn that he can question calls in another way. I don't think it helps him play better, and if he is relying on that sort of thing to make him play better, god help him.

We will see just how well Jennifer's behavior comes back on her when she plays again. Actually, I didn't think the crowd was that bad. Crowds like to think they can control an outcome or affect players. So letting the crowd know they are getting to you is not a wise thing.

Also, I remember when Agassi was first comming up he applauded opponents' shots. Jmac drew him aside and told him that players didn't really like all that applauding. They considered it condescending.

Also Andy complaining about Mutis's grunting? That was laughable, and to me, shows just how nervous Andy was.

Deboogle!.
05-27-2004, 04:56 PM
Bunk, I think Andy's tactics with the crowd worked fine. The crowd may have booed him when he walked onto the court. (dunno... didn't see that part) but, they did not boo him during the match except for a few minor whistles when he questioned a call. I think his tactics worked. I don't see that he really plays better after he has some tirade against an umpire. Andy needs to learn that he can question calls in another way. I don't think it helps him play better, and if he is relying on that sort of thing to make him play better, god help him.

oh lolol I wasn't saying he should've fought with the ump just for kicks LOL! I mean there weren't really any close calls that I remember anyway, just one I remember Andy walking up to the net and then he saw the spot and knew it was really out anyway. It was more the fact that he seemed to be holding back his aggression at himself, it seemed forced to me. Not that I like it when he gets down on himself and stuff but just the matter of the fact that he had to pay so much attention to restrain himself so much, it had to have been distracting at times. It's just not him. And yes, he was definitely booed as he walked out on court.

Also Andy complaining about Mutis's grunting? That was laughable, and to me, shows just how nervous Andy was.

Well you know how Andy is... when he's upset at himself he takes it out on other people. :banghead: Like what he said in his press conference about his discussions with the ump on the changeovers about needing someone to talk to lmao... obviously he still has a long long way to go in terms of his mentality where clay is concerned. And until he can walk out onto a European clay court and either tell himself he's playing in Houston or get the mentality/self-belief that he has when he plays on a hardcourt, he's gonna have these problems. I like what he said in the ESPN interview about "I don't have an excuse, I just need to find a way to do it" - ok that's great. NOW DO IT! :) He'll never be Guille or Guga or Juan Carlos, but at the beginning of the match yesterday, he certainly showed that he is capable of playing on clay, now he just has to really believe it. BG was all "sure he can compete with those guys and sure he can play on this surface" and that kind of positive talk clearly helped him immediately last year on grass but he's still facing a block where it comes to clay and the only way he will get over it is to stop playing pansy tournaments like Houston and play and practice in Europe, A LOT.

tangerine_dream
05-27-2004, 05:15 PM
Also Andy complaining about Mutis's grunting? That was laughable, and to me, shows just how nervous Andy was.

When did Andy complain about Mutis' grunting? I totally missed that. And it's a stupid thing to complain about because I haven't heard Andy grunt like that since his match with Chang years ago. I actually thought he was maybe injured because of all that grunting. (the microphones sure picked up a lot of the talk on the court and in the stands; very noisy).

Also, Andy may have gotten some boos when he entered the court but a pan on the crowd told me that many of the kids in attendance were star-struck by him. ;) :hearts:

Deboogle!.
05-27-2004, 05:17 PM
I don't remember where it was during the match, but he wasn't complaining that he was grunting, he was complaining that Mutis was grunting (and star, please correct me if I'm wrong lol) too long or something to the point where he was still grunting as Andy was trying to hit his shots. Yes, ridiculous.

Nishy
05-27-2004, 05:20 PM
Star and Bunk,

Thank you for answering my question.

>Neely and Nishy
Yea it's kind a similar :D

Now I little worry about Americans on red clay. It doesn't seem to be big issue for thinking about as whole year because hard court is more majority than clay though.

I personally like red clay and green grass court because they are natural.
Thinking about color combination, I think these courts suit Andy's hair and his skin color, and I like to see him playing on there. This is one of the reasons that I want to him to play well on red clay. :)

Deboogle!.
05-27-2004, 05:27 PM
Yea... last night PMac was saying how it's no coincidence that Spadea and Andy were the two Americans who made it through since they're both from Florida and there are a lot more claycourts there... I thought that was kinda :bs: myself but I guess it makes a *little* sense. If them, as kids and stuff, played more little tourneys on clay, even if it were green, they'd be more comfortable on it than someone like James, since I've never seen a clay court in the Northeast lol

But I attributed it not to the fact that they're from Florida but the fact that Spadea's gamestyle just fits clay much better than any of the other Americans and the fact that Andy is just plain better than most of the others and SHOULD make it further than the rest lol. I didn't really think it had much at all to do with them being from Florida, but it's an interesting topic of discussion nonetheless I suppose.

tangerine_dream
05-27-2004, 05:38 PM
I don't remember where it was during the match, but he wasn't complaining that he was grunting, he was complaining that Mutis was grunting (and star, please correct me if I'm wrong lol) too long or something to the point where he was still grunting as Andy was trying to hit his shots.

That's what I said, silly. :p I was saying that Andy shouldn't complain about Mutis grunting because Andy was grunting, too.

Deboogle!.
05-27-2004, 05:46 PM
right but it wasn't the grunting itself that was the issue. It was the fact that Andy was arguing that Mutis was purposely grunting too long or whatever to distract him, which if it's a valid complaint I can see how that would be annoying, but well, it simply wasn't a valid complaint lol

roxysurf420
05-27-2004, 11:37 PM
I think that Andy had a point about Olivier's grunts, perhaps he wasn't doing it on purpose (IMO he was) but it can be VERY annoying. I used to draw this one girl every year at state who would grunt, but it wasn't any normal grunt, she said 'Jenga' every shot she made, even when she served, and it sounded like "Annnggg-aaaa", trust me it was effing annoying. But you're right, he looked like a baby who was making excuses when he came out and complained about it to the umpire.

Deboogle!.
05-27-2004, 11:39 PM
Maybe he had a point, but probably not... it struck me as a classic example of one of Andy's "I'm mad at myself but I'll take the frustration out on someone else" stunts.

star
05-28-2004, 12:21 AM
I think that Andy had a point about Olivier's grunts, perhaps he wasn't doing it on purpose (IMO he was) but it can be VERY annoying. I used to draw this one girl every year at state who would grunt, but it wasn't any normal grunt, she said 'Jenga' every shot she made, even when she served, and it sounded like "Annnggg-aaaa", trust me it was effing annoying. But you're right, he looked like a baby who was making excuses when he came out and complained about it to the umpire.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I bet you wanted to KILL her!

andyroxmysox12191
05-28-2004, 12:51 AM
I bet you wanted to KILL her!
I would've! :lol:

star
05-28-2004, 02:22 AM
Also, Andy may have gotten some boos when he entered the court but a pan on the crowd told me that many of the kids in attendance were star-struck by him. ;) :hearts:


Yeah. I heard many calls of "Ro-deek Ro-deek" Cute.

J. Corwin
05-28-2004, 02:26 AM
There will always be fans, even in a "hostile" crowd. :)

roxysurf420
05-28-2004, 03:26 AM
I bet you wanted to KILL her!

Hahah trust me i did!! (want to that is, not do it lol). And i think my teammates wanted to even more lmao, my coach had to hold them back

star
05-28-2004, 04:26 AM
Now that's what I call a hostile crowd. :)