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Madeleine wasn't kidnapped

Andre♥
08-06-2007, 12:03 PM
According to Portuguese cops, she probably died in the house by accident.

:rolleyes:

adee-gee
08-06-2007, 12:20 PM
Are you serious? :spit:

So what happened to her body? It just disappeared? :o

Sofyaxo
08-06-2007, 12:22 PM
Article and source?

meninosantos
08-06-2007, 12:22 PM
Are you serious? :spit:

So what happened to her body? It just disappeared? :o

Someone just made the body disapear.

the cops will make some questions to the family and friends now..

meninosantos
08-06-2007, 12:24 PM
They found blood in a wall.

and they said someone tried to clean that blood

Jelena
08-06-2007, 12:27 PM
Article and source?
I read it in this (http://www.correiomanha.pt/noticia.asp?id=252912&idselect=181&idCanal=181&p=0) Portuguese paper.

adee-gee
08-06-2007, 12:28 PM
They found blood in a wall.

and they said someone tried to clean that blood

When was this? It took them over 2 months to see blood on the wall? :confused:

Sofyaxo
08-06-2007, 12:29 PM
I read it in this (http://www.correiomanha.pt/noticia.asp?id=252912&idselect=181&idCanal=181&p=0) Portuguese paper.

Thanks. I'm interested in this case, so it's nice to see the article.

Andre♥
08-06-2007, 12:31 PM
When was this? It took them over 2 months to see blood on the wall? :confused:

It was obviously cleaned in that night.

It looks like someone killed her and then made the body disappear.

If it was by accident or on propose in the main question now.

adee-gee
08-06-2007, 12:32 PM
It was obviously cleaned in that night.

It looks like someone killed her and then made the body disappear.

If it was by accident or on propose in the main question now.

Who could have killed her "by accident"? It was only her and her siblings in the house.

Andre♥
08-06-2007, 12:35 PM
Who could have killed her "by accident"? It was only her and her siblings in the house.

Was it? Nobody is sure of that. Her parents aren't exactly the most trusted persons in the world right now. They have been caught in lies for about ten times.

JustDoIt
08-06-2007, 12:43 PM
But who was in Belgium then ?

Andre♥
08-06-2007, 12:48 PM
But who was in Belgium then ?

Madelaine was "seen" in 37 countries since she disappeared...

meninosantos
08-06-2007, 12:51 PM
Who could have killed her "by accident"? It was only her and her siblings in the house.

The persons who are being questionated are her family + Family friends

Sofonda Cox
08-06-2007, 12:51 PM
Was it? Nobody is sure of that. Her parents aren't exactly the most trusted persons in the world right now. They have been caught in lies for about ten times.

wouldn't be surprising if they had something to do with it - if so they could well be the most hated people in Britain due to the amount of support financially etc....that has been given to them

adee-gee
08-06-2007, 12:51 PM
:shrug:

Who knows, I guess there will be doubts whatever the conclusion the police come to. Or if they ever come to one.

meninosantos
08-06-2007, 12:56 PM
wouldn't be surprising if they had something to do with it - if so they could well be the most hated people in Britain due to the amount of support financially etc....that has been given to them

If the fathers went the house each 20 minutes as they said would an assassin have time to kill her and clean the blood? In just 20 minutes...Little strange

Sofonda Cox
08-06-2007, 01:00 PM
If the fathers went the house each 20 minutes as they said would an assassin have time to kill her and clean the blood? In just 20 minutes...Little strange

yes definately - especially as it would take a long time just to find the right things to clean the blood up with, and then also to remove her body with out anyone seeing. Also it's just the lack of suspects and leads thats weird - Robert Murat has his house searched again, but nothing found AGAIN! It's a shame the two younger children aren't old enough to explain what happend

meninosantos
08-06-2007, 01:03 PM
yes definately - especially as it would take a long time just to find the right things to clean the blood up with, and then also to remove her body with out anyone seeing. Also it's just the lack of suspects and leads thats weird - Robert Murat has his house searched again, but nothing found AGAIN! It's a shame the two younger children aren't old enough to explain what happend

I think if she was killed and the other childrens were older they wouldn't have survived too

Andre♥
08-06-2007, 01:10 PM
If the fathers went the house each 20 minutes as they said would an assassin have time to kill her and clean the blood? In just 20 minutes...Little strange

They lied in that one.

Everybody that was in the restaurant said that they never left the table during the dinner.

Sofonda Cox
08-06-2007, 01:12 PM
They lied in that one.

Everybody that was in the restaurant said that they never left the table during the dinner.

i find it strange that important stuff like this never gets broadcast on TV or in papers in Britain

El Legenda
08-06-2007, 01:13 PM
who?

Andre♥
08-06-2007, 01:13 PM
i find it strange that important stuff like this never gets broadcast on TV or in papers in Britain

Portuguese tv and papers noticed that in the beginning of this story.

Actually portuguese media never 100% liked the McCanns...

Sofonda Cox
08-06-2007, 01:15 PM
Portuguese tv and papers noticed that in the beginning of this story.

Actually portuguese media never 100% liked the McCanns...

I just wish the British media wouldn't be so biased so the public can get the full picture

~EMiLiTA~
08-06-2007, 01:31 PM
this is such a sad story :sad:

martine2
08-06-2007, 01:45 PM
Only thing I can say is "poor kid" :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: no matter how it happened. Just hope the assassin gets punished...

meninosantos
08-06-2007, 01:47 PM
I just wish the British media wouldn't be so biased so the public can get the full picture

What the portuguese media said was that British media are so fixed in telling it was a kidnapp that it can't be another thing...

scoobs
08-06-2007, 01:54 PM
What saddens me is that this whole situation arose because in an act of wanton neglect, this child's parents left her and her siblings unattended while they took themselves out to dinner.

Then whatever happened, happened and this child has been missing ever since, presumably dead.

What REALLY sticks in my craw is that the OTHER children of these people are now being neglected of attention from their parents while the McCanns embark on their Maddie World Tour, arranging photocalls with the Pope and what have you. Those other children need their parents too, especially at this difficult time, and they should be putting those children first, leaving the police to do their jobs, and eliminate this suspicion that they are milking their time in the spotlight for all it is worth.

~EMiLiTA~
08-06-2007, 01:57 PM
i don't understand how the parents could leave 3 young children alone...i mean even forgetting kidnap, they could harm themselves trying to play with other things in the room etc. it's gross negligence

adee-gee
08-06-2007, 02:00 PM
What REALLY sticks in my craw is that the OTHER children of these people are now being neglected of attention from their parents while the McCanns embark on their Maddie World Tour, arranging photocalls with the Pope and what have you. Those other children need their parents too, especially at this difficult time, and they should be putting those children first, leaving the police to do their jobs, and eliminate this suspicion that they are milking their time in the spotlight for all it is worth.
I understand what you're saying but I don't 100% agree. I mean, I don't think the parents are doing this for any personal gain. I think they're just trying to keep awareness of the story up and they're doing a pretty good job. How many other stories like this are still huge in the media almost 3 months later, they virtually always just get forgotten about. The fact is, if she is still alive (which I doubt) then keeping the story in the news is the best chance of a sighting. Agreed it might be unfair on the other kids, but I'd be doing the same if I were in their shoes. I wouldn't want to find out my daughter had died, knowing I could've done more to help her.

scoobs
08-06-2007, 02:03 PM
I understand what you're saying but I don't 100% agree. I mean, I don't think the parents are doing this for any personal gain. I think they're just trying to keep awareness of the story up and they're doing a pretty good job. How many other stories like this are still huge in the media almost 3 months later, they virtually always just get forgotten about. The fact is, if she is still alive (which I doubt) then keeping the story in the news is the best chance of a sighting. Agreed it might be unfair on the other kids, but I'd be doing the same if I were in their shoes. I wouldn't want to find out my daughter had died, knowing I could've done more to help her.
You're a less cynical soul than I am, I guess :)

W!MBLEDON
08-06-2007, 02:03 PM
Who the hell is Madeleine? Hmmm, probably some random white kid. They're always the ones to make news.

Wow. Genius post, shitface. :rolleyes:

Sofonda Cox
08-06-2007, 02:10 PM
Oh, I don't mean to be insensitive. I hope the kid comes home safely and all that jazz. But more often than not, white people are the ones getting press in these abduction cases while other cases are all but ignored. I just googled her and she's white. As expected. :)

thats a different issue all together :retard:

Sofonda Cox
08-06-2007, 02:13 PM
Sure it is. :) I'll leave you all to berate the parents for their horrible decision to leave their children alone. Have fun.

:wavey: :retard: :wavey:

alfonsojose
08-06-2007, 02:55 PM
Who the hell is Madeleine? Hmmm, probably some random white kid. They're always the ones to make news.

BINGO !!

Jaap
08-06-2007, 03:22 PM
Stop with your racial bullshit, mugs.

Jaap
08-06-2007, 04:11 PM
The media goes orgasmic over white people getting kidnapped. Affluent whites usually get the most coverage. The point is: this shouldn't be a huge news story. There are more important things to worry about than negligent parents and one child that may very well be dead already. The media needs to focus on more important issues. Not this bullshit.

I guess you are not from England where the murder of black people usually get the most headlines.

Just google the murders of Stephen Lawrence and Kriss Donald and tell me who comes up with more finds and what colour he is?

adee-gee
08-06-2007, 04:11 PM
The media goes orgasmic over white people getting kidnapped. Affluent whites usually get the most coverage. The point is: this shouldn't be a huge news story. There are more important things to worry about than negligent parents and one child that may very well be dead already. The media needs to focus on more important issues. Not this bullshit.

Get a clue.

Fee
08-06-2007, 06:49 PM
I heard about this when I was in England, but it was kind of hard to get all the details from British sources.

There is NO excuse for leaving children alone in a hotel room to go party at dinner with your friends (and then lying about checking on them 'every 20 minutes'). It wouldn't surprise me at all if that poor child died in the room and the parents are involved in covering up, but kidnapping is not entirely impossible either.

jayjay
08-06-2007, 06:54 PM
What REALLY sticks in my craw is that the OTHER children of these people are now being neglected of attention from their parents while the McCanns embark on their Maddie World Tour, arranging photocalls with the Pope and what have you.

What he said.

jayjay
08-06-2007, 06:56 PM
i don't understand how the parents could leave 3 young children alone...i mean even forgetting kidnap, they could harm themselves trying to play with other things in the room etc. it's gross negligence

What she said.

FerrersLinda
08-06-2007, 07:42 PM
Since I live in Costa Rica I don't get the best coverage of this news story, only what BBCworld gives me really. So can anybody tell me about all the lies her parents were caught telling please?

*Ljubica*
08-06-2007, 08:11 PM
Since I live in Costa Rica I don't get the best coverage of this news story, only what BBCworld gives me really. So can anybody tell me about all the lies her parents were caught telling please?

Hi Linda. Well basically the parents went for dinner with their friends in the apartment complex, leaving Maddie and her two younger siblings alone in their apartment. They told Police that either they or their friends went back to check on the children every 20 minutes, but other diners at the time, said none of them ever left their table at all.

Like a few people have said before - I am dreadfully sad for poor Maddie, but like most people in the UK, I have little sympathy for them. The complex offered baby-sitters to stay in the apartment while the parents went out, and there were also on-site creche facilitities where they could drop the children off and collect them later, but the McCanns refused both options - preferring to leave their children unattended. They are definately wealthy, professional people, so lack of money was not the reason for this. It was just gross negligence. OK - agreed, you perhaps don't think your child will be kidnapped, but leaving 3 kids under the age of 4 in a strange place in a foreign country, is the height of stupidity.... what if one of them had woken up, got scared at being in a strange place, and decided to wander off to "find" their parents? They could have got lost, or fallen into a pool or anything.

Some of the news items that Portuguese posters have mentioned here are definately not being publicised here in England, though as you know I was actually in Portugal for the Estoril Open, when Maddie disappeared, so I did read some of the local newspapers then. There are also rumours that two of the McCann's friends knew prime suspect Robert Murat back i the UK. They have denied this, but I beieve it has been proved that there had been some contact between them in recent times.

FerrersLinda
08-06-2007, 08:30 PM
:wavey: Hi Rosie, thanks for the answer.

I've actually been reading a little about the case on the internet. And yes maybe the parents have made mistakes but I can't believe they are guilty and until it's proven they are I find it very cruel to be making accusations like people here are. It must be horrible for them. Yes maybe they have been stupid but many of us are from time to time and we are all lucky that nothing serious happened at those times. Again maybe they are guilty, maybe they aren't, I don't know. I did find that the Portuguese police have made quite some mistakes too. All in all a horrible story.:sad:

Andre♥
08-06-2007, 08:34 PM
Hi Linda. Well basically the parents went for dinner with their friends in the apartment complex, leaving Maddie and her two younger siblings alone in their apartment. They told Police that either they or their friends went back to check on the children every 20 minutes, but other diners at the time, said none of them ever left their table at all.

Like a few people have said before - I am dreadfully sad for poor Maddie, but like most people in the UK, I have little sympathy for them. The complex offered baby-sitters to stay in the apartment while the parents went out, and there were also on-site creche facilitities where they could drop the children off and collect them later, but the McCanns refused both options - preferring to leave their children unattended. They are definately wealthy, professional people, so lack of money was not the reason for this. It was just gross negligence. OK - agreed, you perhaps don't think your child will be kidnapped, but leaving 3 kids under the age of 4 in a strange place in a foreign country, is the height of stupidity.... what if one of them had woken up, got scared at being in a strange place, and decided to wander off to "find" their parents? They could have got lost, or fallen into a pool or anything.

Some of the news items that Portuguese posters have mentioned here are definately not being publicised here in England, though as you know I was actually in Portugal for the Estoril Open, when Maddie disappeared, so I did read some of the local newspapers then. There are also rumours that two of the McCann's friends knew prime suspect Robert Murat back i the UK. They have denied this, but I beieve it has been proved that there had been some contact between them in recent times.

100% agree

That's why you're one of my favourite posters in here! :)

FerrersLinda
08-06-2007, 08:40 PM
Was it? Nobody is sure of that. Her parents aren't exactly the most trusted persons in the world right now. They have been caught in lies for about ten times.

100% agree

That's why you're one of my favourite posters in here! :)

Of course you agree because you've already made up your mind. Again I'm not saying they are or aren't guilty. According to Rosie's post the parents lied about going to check on the children. Okay agreed, not good, not good at all, but in your post you are talking about them being caught lying several(10) times. So tell me about the other 9 times.

Fee
08-06-2007, 09:33 PM
Rosie, thanks for the information. :)

This story reminds me of a very horrible crime a few years ago here in the US. A young woman claimed that her car was hijacked (by a black man, which is relevant because she was a white woman in one of the Southern States, I think it was South Carolina) and her two young boys were taken. She went on TV with her estranged husband begging and pleading for their return. Within days it was revealed that she had sent the car into the bottom of a nearby lake with the boys strapped inside, apparently because her new boyfriend didn't want to get seriously involved with someone who already had kids.

So, yes, sometimes parents do horrible things to their children, it is not completely impossible. BUT I think it is very hard to make any real conclusions about this case just yet. It all seems to be a bit of a mess.

I agree with other posters here who have already mentioned that very young children locked into a hotel room alone can get into plenty of trouble, nevermind the idea of someone coming in after them (choking, electrocution, etc, etc). Leaving a 3 year old and twin 2 year olds was just plain dumb.

JustDoIt
08-06-2007, 09:39 PM
I actually have a feeling her parents killed her :tape:

FerrersLinda
08-06-2007, 09:45 PM
Rosie, thanks for the information. :)

This story reminds me of a very horrible crime a few years ago here in the US. A young woman claimed that her car was hijacked (by a black man, which is relevant because she was a white woman in one of the Southern States, I think it was South Carolina) and her two young boys were taken. She went on TV with her estranged husband begging and pleading for their return. Within days it was revealed that she had sent the car into the bottom of a nearby lake with the boys strapped inside, apparently because her new boyfriend didn't want to get seriously involved with someone who already had kids.

So, yes, sometimes parents do horrible things to their children, it is not completely impossible. BUT I think it is very hard to make any real conclusions about this case just yet. It all seems to be a bit of a mess.

I agree with other posters here who have already mentioned that very young children locked into a hotel room alone can get into plenty of trouble, nevermind the idea of someone coming in after them (choking, electrocution, etc, etc). Leaving a 3 year old and twin 2 year olds was just plain dumb.

What a horrible story.:sad:

I actually have a feeling her parents killed her :tape:

Because the media coverage isn't that huge as in other parts of the world I haven't really been able to see any actual interviews, only little bits and pieces. So I can't really get a "feel" for the parents.:awww:

Burrow
08-06-2007, 09:47 PM
Wow. Genius post, shitface. :rolleyes:

you always leave me negative reps saying exactly that. :rolleyes:

buddyholly
08-07-2007, 03:13 AM
Do Aruba, Portugal and Boulder, Colorado share the same police force?

buddyholly
08-07-2007, 03:30 AM
Oh, I don't mean to be insensitive. I hope the kid comes home safely and all that jazz. But more often than not, white people are the ones getting press in these abduction cases while other cases are all but ignored. I just googled her and she's white. As expected. :)

Well, the most famous example was Tawana Brawley. The press went wild over her abduction and ****. But Tawana was lying. She was black, as expected.

More recently we had that poor girl who was beaten and ***** over and over and over by those horrible white boys at Duke. The press went crazy, the boys' lives were ruined, the lacrosse coach lost his job. The girl was lying. She was black, as expected.

FluffyYellowBall
08-07-2007, 10:07 AM
Nothing special, nothing certain

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=fee496d8-a32e-4ea2-b5f3-a72969d1b62a&k=88530


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Font: * * * * LISBON (Reuters) - Portuguese police have found traces of blood on the wall of the apartment where four-year-old British girl Madeleine McCann went missing and now fear she might have been murdered, a local newspaper reported on Tuesday.

Police seem increasingly convinced that Madeleine was murdered the night she disappeared three months ago and no longer think she was kidnapped, the Diario de Noticias daily cited sources close to the investigation as saying.

However, it was not clear whether the blood belonged to Madeleine as tests have not yet been completed and the newspaper did not say how police had come to the conclusion that the child was murdered.

A police spokesman declined to comment on the report.

"Portuguese police have known for a month that Madeleine McCann was killed that night (May 3) at the apartment in the Praia da Luz resort, having definitely rejected the chance that she may have been kidnapped," the newspaper said.

"It is confirmed that there were vestiges of blood found in the apartment occupied by the McCanns," Diario de Noticias cited unnamed police sources as saying.

Madeleine went missing from the Praia da Luz resort in the Algarve tourist region on May 3, just yards from where her parents were dining.

Briton Robert Murat, 33, has been identified by police as the main suspect in the investigation and his property has twice been searched.

The daily also said police had identified a second suspect -- a 40-year-old white man -- and were also investigating some friends of the McCann family who were staying at the resort when the girl went missing.

Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, have campaigned relentlessly to draw attention to her disappearance. British business tycoons and celebrities ranging from Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling to soccer stars have contributed to a reward for her return.

There have been a number of possible sightings of Madeleine -- from Morocco to Argentina -- since she went missing but police have come up with no concrete results.

Last week Belgian authorities said they were conducting DNA tests on a bottle and a straw after another possible sighting of the missing girl.

© Reuters 2007

meninosantos
08-07-2007, 10:37 AM
they said in the newspapers that the possibility of kidnapping was abandoned 1 month ago and the police was almost certain that she died and was probably killed. and they said that the suspects were the closer to her(family and family friends) I think today they just said that till now ..

mtw
08-07-2007, 03:55 PM
My press gave information that this poor girl was likely killed by own parents or their friends in the night before her dissapierance was reported to police. This is quite neutral wheather this girl was killed by parents or their friends, but behaviour of this psychopathic parents is total irrational and shows how ruthless these people are. They went to Pope to pray for happy find of their daughter ( Blair and Bush went to Pope too ) and these hundreds of appeal to people in the world, but they knew that they was dead. Then they ate dinner next day quietly. It is not imaginable how terrible beasts live in this world.

FerrersLinda
08-07-2007, 08:05 PM
My press gave information that this poor girl was likely killed by own parents or their friends in the night before her dissapierance was reported to police. This is quite neutral wheather this girl was killed by parents or their friends, but behaviour of this psychopathic parents is total irrational and shows how ruthless these people are. They went to Pope to pray for happy find of their daughter ( Blair and Bush went to Pope too ) and these hundreds of appeal to people in the world, but they knew that they was dead. Then they ate dinner next day quietly. It is not imaginable how terrible beasts live in this world.

Again I'm not saying they are guilty or not guilty of killing there daughter. BUT maybe you should have waited with this comment until they are proven guilty.:rolleyes:

Andre♥
08-08-2007, 12:24 PM
Looks like the cops got access to some calls that the McCanns did to their relatives and now they are even more sure that Maddie is dead.

Source: all portuguese televisions.

Jelena
08-08-2007, 03:57 PM
Looks like the cops got access to some calls that the McCanns did to their relatives and now they are even more sure that Maddie is dead.

Source: all portuguese televisions.
I read something similar in Diário de Notícias (http://dn.sapo.pt/2007/08/08/sociedade/escutas_confirmam_morte_madeleine.html).

mtw
08-08-2007, 05:26 PM
Again I'm not saying they are guilty or not guilty of killing there daughter. BUT maybe you should have waited with this comment until they are proven guilty.:rolleyes:


Sorry, but such investigation can last 1 - 2 years and we can forget it. Besides it is very hard investigation, because this child was killed in Portugal, but she was British - so I don't know, but there are bureaucratic procedures. My press gave information that body of this girl was found a month ago.
Besides what can it be said? This case is very strange. Firstly what good parents can leave 3 years old child without control and care of adult person - it is negligence. Children till 8 age of life are quite stupid and they have very irrational ideas, which can be realised for instance: jump out of window or go to see.
Besides it exists such thing as domestic violance and sometimes loving mummy or daddy can bash to stark and kill ( it is quite often cause of death of children, just not perverts or kidnappers, but own parents )

ryan23
08-09-2007, 02:05 PM
People seem to forgot that the parents were not alone on holiday they had close friends with them on holiday to, dont count them out!

FerrersLinda
08-09-2007, 03:37 PM
Sorry, but such investigation can last 1 - 2 years and we can forget it. Besides it is very hard investigation, because this child was killed in Portugal, but she was British - so I don't know, but there are bureaucratic procedures. My press gave information that body of this girl was found a month ago.
Besides what can it be said? This case is very strange. Firstly what good parents can leave 3 years old child without control and care of adult person - it is negligence. Children till 8 age of life are quite stupid and they have very irrational ideas, which can be realised for instance: jump out of window or go to see.
Besides it exists such thing as domestic violance and sometimes loving mummy or daddy can bash to stark and kill ( it is quite often cause of death of children, just not perverts or kidnappers, but own parents )

Yes, I don't live on another planet from you, I know there are crazy people out there that kill there own. But all I've been saying is instead of calling Madeleine's parents "beasts" let's just wait until they are proven guilty. Even though you've already made up your mind they are guilty, which they may well be, doesn't mean they are. Yes they may have acted unintelligent by leaving there children alone, but does that automatically proof they have killed their child? Of course you are entitled to draw your own conclusions, but don't write them down here like they are the truth. In truth and I've been reading up on this over the last days, there is no direct evidence that points into the direction of the parents, that we know of. Your police force say Madeleine's body was found a month ago? Where?

Andre♥
08-09-2007, 03:38 PM
But all I've been saying is instead of calling Madeleine's parents "beasts" let's just wait until they are proven guilty.

They are guilty of leaving their children alone in a foreign country to go have dinner.

That's enough for me to call them "beasts".

guille&tati4life
08-09-2007, 04:54 PM
They are guilty of leaving their children alone in a foreign country to go have dinner.

That's enough for me to call them "beasts".

What rubbish! It's not a beastly action, it's a negligent one.

Fee
08-09-2007, 06:36 PM
Sorry, but such investigation can last 1 - 2 years and we can forget it. Besides it is very hard investigation, because this child was killed in Portugal, but she was British - so I don't know, but there are bureaucratic procedures. My press gave information that body of this girl was found a month ago.

Perhaps you need to find a new source of information. What possible reason would there be to cover up the discovery of this child's body and prolong her parents' agony?

Carito_90
08-09-2007, 08:59 PM
Yeah, of course it does. :rolleyes:

I have a clue. Apparently you people don't. Why so many defensive people when I only speak the truth? The media has always had a racial bias. I'm simply pointing it out. People's fascination with this case is sad. Again, there are more important things to worry about. Attention needs to be focused elsewhere. Not on some case that everyone will forget about once the girl is found anyway. That's why ignorance about important global issues is so prevalent around the world. :o

Sorry, but he's absolutely right. As much as I think this girl was adorable and is a pity she's now probably dead and without a clue whatsoever about who killed her or what happened, it IS true this piece of news is just to get the attention of people out of a big issue that is going on now, who knows which one it is. The media controls what we know or don't, unless we search more into it. And I'm sure there are many things higher powers don't want us to know, and to keep us entretained they throw these kind of stories, good enough to be from a movie plot. Not a bad move at all.

That being said, I feel sorry for the little girl, and I do hope they find out what happened with her.

:)

ryan23
08-10-2007, 01:18 AM
What rubbish! It's not a beastly action, it's a negligent one.

Very true

ryan23
08-10-2007, 01:19 AM
Even though the parents are at fault for leaving her alone (they were checking up on reg times) but thats no exscuse its still way out of order.in 99.9percent of cases nothing will happen in this case it did, you will find most parents at some stage or another have left there kid alone even if it was for 2 minutes. not that they would admitt this offcourse!

Fee
08-10-2007, 01:44 AM
Ryan, as mentioned earlier in this thread, people in the restaurant reported that no one from the McCanns' party left the table that night. They never checked on the children during dinner.

rocketassist
08-10-2007, 01:52 AM
You're right, she wasn't kidnapped, she's in graham's bed.

Andre♥
08-10-2007, 01:37 PM
Even though the parents are at fault for leaving her alone (they were checking up on reg times) but thats no exscuse its still way out of order.in 99.9percent of cases nothing will happen in this case it did, you will find most parents at some stage or another have left there kid alone even if it was for 2 minutes. not that they would admitt this offcourse!

No, they weren't. For the 1000th time, that's a lie. It has been confirmed by more than ten persons that the parents never left the dinner table.

English people have no idea what happened. Your media love to speculate but when it comes to facts, they couldn't care less about them. When the truth isn't exciting, let's create some fake facts to make it spicy.

Btw portuguese tv shows are right now just "Let's bash english people" programs. It's kinda mean, but nothing that English people don't do against Portuguese people. :lol:

Sofonda Cox
08-11-2007, 04:52 PM
No, they weren't. For the 1000th time, that's a lie. It has been confirmed by more than ten persons that the parents never left the dinner table.

English people have no idea what happened. Your media love to speculate but when it comes to facts, they couldn't care less about them. When the truth isn't exciting, let's create some fake facts to make it spicy.

Btw portuguese tv shows are right now just "Let's bash english people" programs. It's kinda mean, but nothing that English people don't do against Portuguese people. :lol:

:rolleyes: her father is Scottish, and show me evidence English people constantly bash Portuguese people

Sofonda Cox
08-11-2007, 04:52 PM
Portuguese police say Madeleine may be dead


LONDON (Reuters) - Portuguese police investigating the disappearance of four-year-old Madeleine McCann acknowledged on Saturday that she might be dead.

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Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa, one of the detectives leading the inquiry, told the BBC that recent evidence had prompted officers to pursue more intensely the theory she might have been killed.

Madeleine, from Rothley, Leicestershire, disappeared on May 3 during a holiday with her family in the resort of Praia da Luz, in the Algarve region of southern Portugal.

"In the past few days there have been some developments and clues that have been found that could point to the possible death of this child," Sousa told the BBC in an interview.

"All lines had been open but this line is now checking with a little bit of intensity," he said, speaking in English.

The clues to which he was referring were traces of blood found inside the apartment where Madeleine was sleeping, at the Mark Warner Ocean holiday resort, the BBC said on its Web site.

"We are waiting for lab results that have been collected," he added.

The traces of blood were being analysed in Britain to find out whether they matched Madeleine's.

Sousa refused to confirm or deny reports that police sniffer dogs had detected odours of a dead body in the apartment.

It was the first public acknowledgment by the police that Madeleine might have died, rather than been abducted.

He said her parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, were not considered suspects, following media speculation that they were under suspicion. Neither were friends who had been with them on the night Madeleine disappeared, he said.

The family marked the 100th day since her disappearance with a special church service on Saturday in Praia da Luz.

Despite the publicity, so far only one suspect has emerged, Briton Robert Murat, while sightings and reported breakthroughs have come to nothing or proved to be hoaxes.

The McCanns launched "Don't You Forget about Me", a channel on the video-sharing Web site YouTube to help trace missing children, to mark 100 days without their daughter.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070811/tuk-uk-britain-girl-fa6b408_5.html

mtw
08-13-2007, 04:29 PM
Portuguese police say Madeleine may be dead




He said her parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, were not considered suspects, following media speculation that they were under suspicion. Neither were friends who had been with them on the night Madeleine disappeared, he said.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070811/tuk-uk-britain-girl-fa6b408_5.html

I don't understand, why parents of this child were not considered suspect. Have they 100 % alibi on this day? Or maybe such alibi, that if they went to Pope and prayed in the mids of TV cameras in every church, then it should be infabille sigh for police that they are innocent. It is radiculous. For me it is very suspicious that these people left 3 small children at home and they come to eat dinner. These people especially mother has mask, indifferent expression of face and quite strange, unpleasent eyes. It is very strange. Loving mother should cry or be sad. And it seems as special dispair for show purposes.
It is quite strange. And what about domestic violance? Brutality against children? Was all right in this family?

natasha_nana
08-16-2007, 06:21 PM
Ryan, as mentioned earlier in this thread, people in the restaurant reported that no one from the McCanns' party left the table that night. They never checked on the children during dinner.

Hmm. It's definitely quite irresponsible for parents to leave a small child alone in the house - forget in a foreign country...doing it anywhere is never a good thing.

But they don't deserve talk about they being behind her death/disappearence...(unless that turns out to really be the case).

This whole thing reminds me of that murder in the US of that child beauty queen...jonbenet ramsey was it?
The media was convinced it was the parents...as were many of the cops...and so they focused their investigation on that.
And what happened there? The real killer has never been found. :(

LoveFifteen
08-16-2007, 07:26 PM
Rafa's Wedgie is correct. The media will only go crazy for missing white people ... and only good-looking and/or sweet white people. The runaway bride in the US got insane amounts of coverage. Same with Lindsay Peterson, Chandra Levy, Elizabeth Smart, Jon Benet Ramsey, etc. All white women. Black women go missing, and they can barely get press. If it had been Tameka Benet Ramsey, we wouldn't even know she existed. :help:

Andre♥
09-07-2007, 11:16 AM
According to all newspapers today, Kate is now the main suspect for the murder as there was found Maddie's blood and smell of a corpse on her clothes.

Bilbo
09-07-2007, 11:47 AM
It doesn't surprise me. On all the pictures I've seen from Kate she has a suspicious look on her face. A picture says more than 1000 words.

adee-gee
09-07-2007, 11:48 AM
I don't believe that for a second.

Bilbo
09-07-2007, 11:50 AM
Kate has that scary look on her face while her husband looks pretty normal on all the picures.

martine2
09-07-2007, 11:51 AM
Heard it on the news too... If this would be true :sad: can you imagine such a thing :sad:

Andre♥
09-07-2007, 11:54 AM
Heard it on the news too... If this would be true :sad: can you imagine such a thing :sad:

I can. I remember a story where a little girl saw her mom having sex with her brother and her mom caught her doing that, killed her, cut her into pieces and gave all the pieces to the pigs, so they could eat her.

Jelena
09-07-2007, 12:01 PM
What makes them for me suspicious is that when they are asked separately by the police I always read that they give different answers.

Horatio Caine
09-07-2007, 12:03 PM
I can. I remember a story where a little girl saw her mom having sex with her brother and her mom caught her doing that, killed her, cut her into pieces and gave all the pieces to the pigs, so they could eat her.

:eek:

WTF?!!! Man, that is horrible.

Nikki♥
09-07-2007, 12:03 PM
It wouldn't be the first time that a woman kills her own daughter. Such stories can be heard on the news almost every day. Usually it's young mothers who are overburdened with their new responsibilities and let their children starve to death or beat them until they die as they don't know how to make the child stop screaming.
I can't explain myself why Madeleine's mother should have killed her daughter but if she did then I hope she will be brought to justice.

Horatio Caine
09-07-2007, 12:04 PM
According to all newspapers today, Kate is now the main suspect for the murder as there was found Maddie's blood and smell of a corpse on her clothes.

Innocent until proven guilty. ;) Jounralists are nearly always mofos.

celia
09-07-2007, 12:06 PM
According to Portuguese cops, she probably died in the house by accident.

:rolleyes:

You need to remove the rolleyes. The latest news suggest that the cops may have been right. One theory is that they left her sedated so that they could go out, and she may have died as a result.

meninosantos
09-07-2007, 12:34 PM
I can. I remember a story where a little girl saw her mom having sex with her brother and her mom caught her doing that, killed her, cut her into pieces and gave all the pieces to the pigs, so they could eat her.

Joana :rolleyes:

meninosantos
09-07-2007, 12:35 PM
You need to remove the rolleyes. The latest news suggest that the cops may have been right. One theory is that they left her sedated so that they could go out, and she may have died as a result.

After that they said sedatives couln't kill a person, if I remember well

Bilbo
09-07-2007, 12:35 PM
Innocent until proven guilty. ;) Jounralists are nearly always mofos.

Her chance to be innocent is slim to none. Blood on her clothes, blood in their car...

meninosantos
09-07-2007, 12:38 PM
Her chance to be innocent is slim to none. Blood on her clothes, blood in their car...

Yesterday she was interrogated from 2 PM to 1 AM..

They said their father would come next but that didn't happen and I think they want to interrogate her again...

adee-gee
09-07-2007, 12:39 PM
Her chance to be innocent is slim to none. Blood on her clothes, blood in their car...

Bilbo man, stop talking shit.

If there was blood on her clothes and blood in their car, I don't think they'd have waited 4 months and still not arrested her.

Burrow
09-07-2007, 12:39 PM
I can. I remember a story where a little girl saw her mom having sex with her brother and her mom caught her doing that, killed her, cut her into pieces and gave all the pieces to the pigs, so they could eat her.

Fuck that is disgusting, when the hell did that happen?! :eek: :mad:

Burrow
09-07-2007, 12:40 PM
Bilbo man, stop talking shit.

If there was blood on her clothes and blood in their car, I don't think they'd have waited 4 months and still not arrested her.

:haha: Bilbo is talking complete crap.

"scary look on her face" - That's one of the funniest things I have ever heard.

meninosantos
09-07-2007, 12:44 PM
Fuck that is disgusting, when the hell did that happen?! :eek: :mad:

Some years ago...The uncle of the girl confessed everything...And the mother was always crying: Where's my daughter and in the end it was her who killed her daughter...:rolleyes:

meninosantos
09-07-2007, 12:46 PM
Bilbo man, stop talking shit.

If there was blood on her clothes and blood in their car, I don't think they'd have waited 4 months and still not arrested her.

It was all cleaned ;)

THat's why dogs came from England to search the house the car, everything...

And the analisys of that blood took a month (in a english laboratory, the best in the world something like that)..

But when the results came (yesterday) they called Kate..

adee-gee
09-07-2007, 12:50 PM
It was all cleaned ;)

THat's why dogs came from England to search the house the car, everything...

And the analisys of that blood took a month (in a english laboratory, the best in the world something like that)..

But when the results came (yesterday) they called Kate..
Says who though? A Portuguese newspaper?

If the results were conclusive they'd have done more than question her. It took 11 hours because it involved translating, and then them going back over what she said and her having to confirm it again.

Burrow
09-07-2007, 12:52 PM
Basically the fact is they are charging her because they are too fucking lazy to go find the real criminal.

meninosantos
09-07-2007, 12:52 PM
Says who though? A Portuguese newspaper?

If the results were conclusive they'd have done more than question her. It took 11 hours because it involved translating, and then them going back over what she said and her having to confirm it again.

your opinion :)

meninosantos
09-07-2007, 12:53 PM
Basically the fact is they are charging her because they are too fucking lazy to go find the real criminal.

So you're saying they are questining her cause they don't want to work? :D

Bilbo
09-07-2007, 01:02 PM
you will be surprised, adam

that woman has something in her eyes

meninosantos
09-07-2007, 01:04 PM
you will be surprised, adam

that woman has something in her eyes

She's an arguid now, they said in the new :)

They found biological vestiges of Maddie in the cars back

adee-gee
09-07-2007, 01:11 PM
This is the car they hired 25 days after she went missing? :confused:

Iván
09-07-2007, 01:17 PM
All im gonna say is this.

If it is indeed the parents who killed Maddie by accident or they wanted to (which i find hard to believe)

They had me fooled. I have seen countless interviews of them and seeing the mother clutching on maddies fave toy and crying. If it is true it just goes to show far and sick a human can become when it comes to lying.

meninosantos
09-07-2007, 01:30 PM
This is the car they hired 25 days after she went missing? :confused:

That was the car they hired since they arrived to Algarve ;)

i'm just saying what they report in the news..

adee-gee
09-07-2007, 01:35 PM
That was the car they hired since they arrived to Algarve ;)

i'm just saying what they report in the news..
:shrug:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6983193.stm

Family spokesperson Justine McGuiness said Mrs McCann would be an "arguida" - an official suspect - so she could be asked 22 questions by the Portuguese police.

"They have suggested that blood has been found in a hire car that they hired 25 days after Madeleine was taken," she said.

"They made a series of ridiculous allegations. Kate is a loving and caring mother who sincerely believes her daughter is still alive.

"She was absolutely horrified. Kate is a lovely mother to her children, she'd never hurt them.

"Anyone who knows Kate would say that to make an allegation of this kind about her is absolutely ridiculous."

justClaudia
09-07-2007, 01:48 PM
:shrug:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6983193.stm

This is hardly news, since the very beginning the Portuguese press and the British press have made totally oposite reports.

Actually the McCann's were pretty much 'trashed' from the beginning from our press, as our Police force was 'trashed' by your press. Both cases are pretty uncalled for, in my oppinion.

And this is exactly why I never trust any form of press, TV station, or whatever, until I hear from the source. In this case at least.

Bilbo
09-07-2007, 02:21 PM
All im gonna say is this.

If it is indeed the parents who killed Maddie by accident or they wanted to (which i find hard to believe)

They had me fooled. I have seen countless interviews of them and seeing the mother clutching on maddies fave toy and crying. If it is true it just goes to show far and sick a human can become when it comes to lying.

you have to look into her eyes. eyes are the mirror of your soul. i've never seen an interview of her but i would be surprised if she looked that honest from what i've seen from pictures.

FerrersLinda
09-07-2007, 04:05 PM
I'm gonna wait until she is proven guilty. Personally I find it hard to believe that when you kill your child you go through so much trouble to make sure the investigation into her murder stays in the news.

The news here, in Costa Rica, also says the car was hired 25 days after Madeleine disappeared.:shrug:

If she's guilty she should be punished for what she did, but lets wait with calling her a murderer until it's proven she is.

justClaudia
09-07-2007, 04:23 PM
I'm gonna wait until she is proven guilty. Personally I find it hard to believe that when you kill your child you go through so much trouble to make sure the investigation into her murder stays in the news.

The news here, in Costa Rica, also says the car was hired 25 days after Madeleine disappeared.:shrug:

If she's guilty she should be punished for what she did, but lets wait with calling her a murderer until it's proven she is.

Here, in Portugal, some say they hired the car 25 days after Maddie disappeared, I've also read somewhere that it was only 3 days after the girl gone missing and also that they already had the car before that. So many contradictions and speculation, really annoys me. I've read the most ridiculous things to be honest.


I'm working so I couldn't really pay all my attention to it, but I just now heard on a radio station that after last night's inquiry to Kate McCann there's a new and already identified suspect in the case. And that the Police will say something about it within the next few hours, or days. :shrug:

FerrersLinda
09-07-2007, 04:26 PM
Here, in Portugal, some say they hired the car 25 days after Maddie disappeared, I've also read somewhere that it was only 3 days after the girl gone missing and also that they already had the car before that. So many contradictions and speculation, really annoys me. I've read the most ridiculous things to be honest.


I'm working so I couldn't really pay all my attention to it, but I just now heard on a radio station that after last night's inquiry to Kate McCann there's a new and already identified suspect in the case. And that the Police will say something about it within the next few hours, or days. :shrug:

It's difficult to know what is "official" news and what isn't. Since we really don't have a clue what is going on, I'll wait for an official statement or trial.

justClaudia
09-07-2007, 04:36 PM
It's difficult to know what is "official" news and what isn't. Since we really don't have a clue what is going on, I'll wait for an official statement or trial.

:yeah:

Just so everyone has an idea of how different are the news both in Portugal and in England. At this very moment SIC online (Portugal) is reporting that Kate is indeed a suspect and WAS charged. On the other hand Sky News (England) says that Kate is a suspect but WAS NOT charged.

I'm still waiting for the Police statement though.

FerrersLinda
09-07-2007, 05:11 PM
:yeah:

Just so everyone has an idea of how different are the news both in Portugal and in England. At this very moment SIC online (Portugal) is reporting that Kate is indeed a suspect and WAS charged. On the other hand Sky News (England) says that Kate is a suspect but WAS NOT charged.

I'm still waiting for the Police statement though.

:rolleyes:

FerrersLinda
09-07-2007, 05:16 PM
Btw Claudinha, totally :topic: and inappropriate for this thread, but what the hell are you doing in bed with Mr. J. Phoenix? He's mine.:mad:

justClaudia
09-07-2007, 05:26 PM
Btw Claudinha, totally :topic: and inappropriate for this thread, but what the hell are you doing in bed with Mr. J. Phoenix? He's mine.:mad:

:lol:

he can be yours too, I don't mind sharing. But he will keep on going to bed with me at least 3 times a week. And that's my best offer, Miss. :p

buddyholly
09-07-2007, 11:00 PM
If the car was hired 25 days later, then it is difficult to see how it could contain Madeleine's blood. I do not think that with all the attention on the parents, they could have moved the body without detection. It seems very confusing, but all good who-dunnits are. We will have to wait for the final plot twist.

justClaudia
09-07-2007, 11:29 PM
this is the latest, according to the reliable source that Sky News is. It's Portimão, btw.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1283158,00.html

Also here is a Portuguese link, that I know no one will understand but anyway, it says that Gerry McCann already left the Police department after more than 8 hours there, with no formal charges against him.

http://sic.sapo.pt/online/noticias/pais/20070907+Gerry+McCann+sai+da+PJ.htm

cobalt60
09-07-2007, 11:37 PM
It is tragic no matter what :sad:

justClaudia
09-07-2007, 11:44 PM
Absolutely.

Until a couple of weeks ago I still had hope she was alive, somewhere. I still believed, now I don't. That poor little girl.

MCL
09-08-2007, 12:02 AM
"Lawyer: Both parents now suspects in Madeleine's disappearance"
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/09/07/madeleine.mccann/index.html

FerrersLinda
09-08-2007, 12:02 AM
:lol:

he can be yours too, I don't mind sharing. But he will keep on going to bed with me at least 3 times a week. And that's my best offer, Miss. :p

So I can have him the rest of the week? Deal!:devil:

Thanks for the latest news btw. What a tragedy.:sad:

justClaudia
09-08-2007, 12:33 AM
So I can have him the rest of the week? Deal!:devil:

I have to tell you though that you aren't alone on this. In fact the enemies are thiiiis close, just check out his appreciation thread, (yes, he has one in the Chat threads) to see with how many more girls you have to share him with. :p

mtw
09-08-2007, 09:16 AM
Are you serious? :spit:

So what happened to her body? It just disappeared? :o

Official sources say that she was dead in the day of dissapearing. The version of parents is incoherent. Usual lies. Mother is suspected. Besides TV gave information that Benzodiasepines were given to this girl ( maybe overdose was the cause of death ). This kind of medicine should be not given to child -only in particular cases for instance during epileptic attack and not for quieting of child. Very mental ill parents. I supposed at once that her parents could be involved in it. Poor child. Such psychopaths should have no children at all. I don't understand why this whole press made such confusion in it.

Bilbo
09-08-2007, 10:39 AM
I'm not even sure if Gerry McCann is involved let alone he knows what really happened to this day. So if it was an accident which I strongly believe where is her body? Obviously her body was brought to a different location by car later of her death. It is possible that her body was near to the apartment until they rent the car. That's what I believe.

However, it is pretty dumb and dangerous to give such strong medicine to little childs.