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Brazilian Judge in gay football controversy

Bremen
08-04-2007, 06:25 PM
Here's the article:

Brazil judge in gay football row
By Gary Duffy
BBC News, Sao Paulo

A Brazilian judge faces legal action for homophobia after giving a judgment in which he said football was a masculine sport, not a homosexual one.
The judge is reported to have said no-one who had watched the golden era of Pele and others in the 1970s could ever consider having a homosexual idol.

His comments emerged in a case brought by Brazilian footballer Richarlyson.

Richarlyson, who plays for Sao Paulo, was named on national TV as a gay player by the manager of another team.

The suggestion that a leading Brazilian footballer was gay had already been the subject of considerable public speculation.

Richarlyson started legal proceedings against the manager, claiming that the public outing on television had damaged his image.

Controversial

In reaching a decision to effectively set the case aside, Judge Manoel Maximiniano Junqueira Filho said football was a virile masculine sport and not a homosexual one.

If you were a homosexual, it would be better to admit it or to conceal it completely, the judge was reported as saying.

However, if that was the case, it would be better to abandon the playing field, he added.

The judge said those who remembered the World Cup of 1970 and saw golden players such as Pele and Tostao would never consider a homosexual idol.

It was not shown to be reasonable to accept homosexuality in Brazilian football because this would damage the equilibrium and uniformity of thinking of the team.

A complaint is to be lodged about the judge's comments, which seem likely to become more controversial than the original legal action and his decision to shelve the case is also the subject of an appeal.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/6930806.stm

Published: 2007/08/04 01:14:52 GMT

© BBC MMVII

Sofonda Cox
08-04-2007, 06:28 PM
Here's the article:

Brazil judge in gay football row
By Gary Duffy
BBC News, Sao Paulo

A Brazilian judge faces legal action for homophobia after giving a judgment in which he said football was a masculine sport, not a homosexual one.
The judge is reported to have said no-one who had watched the golden era of Pele and others in the 1970s could ever consider having a homosexual idol.

His comments emerged in a case brought by Brazilian footballer Richarlyson.

Richarlyson, who plays for Sao Paulo, was named on national TV as a gay player by the manager of another team.

The suggestion that a leading Brazilian footballer was gay had already been the subject of considerable public speculation.

Richarlyson started legal proceedings against the manager, claiming that the public outing on television had damaged his image.

Controversial

In reaching a decision to effectively set the case aside, Judge Manoel Maximiniano Junqueira Filho said football was a virile masculine sport and not a homosexual one.

If you were a homosexual, it would be better to admit it or to conceal it completely, the judge was reported as saying.

However, if that was the case, it would be better to abandon the playing field, he added.

The judge said those who remembered the World Cup of 1970 and saw golden players such as Pele and Tostao would never consider a homosexual idol.

It was not shown to be reasonable to accept homosexuality in Brazilian football because this would damage the equilibrium and uniformity of thinking of the team.

A complaint is to be lodged about the judge's comments, which seem likely to become more controversial than the original legal action and his decision to shelve the case is also the subject of an appeal.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/6930806.stm

Published: 2007/08/04 01:14:52 GMT

© BBC MMVII

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Sofyaxo
08-04-2007, 06:35 PM
Holy shit. Wow.

Rafa = Fed Killa
08-04-2007, 06:35 PM
He should have suggested they quit soccer and go do some ballet. ;)

Homophobia = fear of gay people
I think the judge is making fun of them and not afraid of them.

Sofonda Cox
08-04-2007, 06:39 PM
He should have suggested they quit soccer and go do some ballet. ;)

Homophobia = fear of gay people
I think the judge is making fun of them and not afraid of them.

:spit: so that makes it ok then? And for your knowledge homophobia also means a dislike/hate of gay people. The later of which the judge clearly has



:retard:

Bremen
08-04-2007, 06:48 PM
:spit: so that makes it ok then? And for your knowledge homophobia also means a dislike/hate of gay people. The later of which the judge clearly has



:retard:

What else can you expect from RFK??

I hope the player gets a lot of support from his team mates and from the general public. All he wanted to do was to play soccer. It's his choice to tell people about his sexuality. At least it looks like the judge is going to face more heat than the player....

You'd think there would be more tolerance in a place like Brazil, I mean it's practically the gay capital of the world.

shotgun
08-04-2007, 06:59 PM
What else can you expect from RFK??

I hope the player gets a lot of support from his team mates and from the general public. All he wanted to do was to play soccer. It's his choice to tell people about his sexuality. At least it looks like the judge is going to face more heat than the player....

You'd think there would be more tolerance in a place like Brazil, I mean it's practically the gay capital of the world.

This is football, a sport in which the overwhelming majority of the participating agents (players, referees, fans, club directors, etc.) come from a poor, uneducated background. The amount of intolerance for homossexuals is bigger here than on any other sport.

And 'gay capital of the world'??? :lol: Just because our parade is the biggest doesn't mean there is more tolerance here than on other parts of the world.

As for Richarlyson, he's probably gay, but I don't care as long as he does well what he's paid to.

Bremen
08-04-2007, 07:10 PM
This is football, a sport in which the overwhelming majority of the participating agents (players, referees, fans, club directors, etc.) come from a poor, uneducated background. The amount of intolerance for homossexuals is bigger here than on any other sport.

And 'gay capital of the world'??? :lol: Just because our parade is the biggest doesn't mean there is more tolerance here than on other parts of the world.

As for Richarlyson, he's probably gay, but I don't care as long as he does well what he's paid to.

I guess football in South American is a bit like nascar in the US? I admit I don't follow football but this story is of interest to me.

Well I suppose the urban centres are always going to be more tolerant, that's kind of what I meant when I said gay capital of the world.

I just hope that Richarlyson doesn't get booed or anything like that when he plays next.

shotgun
08-04-2007, 07:22 PM
I guess football in South American is a bit like nascar in the US? I admit I don't follow football but this story is of interest to me.

Well I suppose the urban centres are always going to be more tolerant, that's kind of what I meant when I said gay capital of the world.

I just hope that Richarlyson doesn't get booed or anything like that when he plays next.

Actually, football here is a religion, people from all classes and backgrounds follow it. But players, managers, referees, most of the fans that actually frequent football stadiums come from a poor background. Club directors don't come exactly from the lower classes for the most part, but most of them have dodgy connections and are politicians. All in all, I'd say it's a very bigoted environment.

Fans of opposing teams will definitely be giving him crap.

Sofonda Cox
08-04-2007, 07:26 PM
Fans of opposing teams will definitely be giving him crap.

To be expected sadly - and would be likely to happen in most countries to an 'out' footballer, i think more so than other sport because as you say it's a religion and more people follow it more intently looking for differences in an opposing team to highlight

Hendu
08-04-2007, 07:27 PM
I guess football in South American is a bit like nascar in the US? I admit I don't follow football but this story is of interest to me.

In Argentina boys play football, girls play with dolls. (I'm generalizing and exagerating, but its not that far from the truth).

Homosexuality in football is kind of taboo.

Sofonda Cox
08-04-2007, 07:29 PM
In Argentina boys play football, girls play with dolls. (I'm generalizing and exagerating, but its not that far from the truth).

Homosexuality in football is kind of taboo.

so all the gay Argantinian boys/guys play with dolls? :confused: :rolleyes:

Hendu
08-04-2007, 07:39 PM
so all the gay Argantinian boys/guys play with dolls? :confused: :rolleyes:

lol... no just to show that football is part of the macho stereotype.

There are many gay football players. I don't know any pro though. They won't make it public because it would be hell for them. Football fields are not the most tolerant places here.

Football is a "macho" game, thats the mindset in Argentina. I'm not saying I agree with that. Just describing the sad reality.

Sofonda Cox
08-04-2007, 07:44 PM
Football is a "macho" game here, thats the mindset. I'm not saying I agree with that. Just describing the sad reality.

yeah same where i live too :( i cant think of one 'out' footballer in the whole of Europe. it is quite sad

Hendu
08-04-2007, 08:43 PM
There are many examples of discrimination in football.

Passarella is the Coach of River Plate, former coach of the national team, captain of the 1978 world champion, and one of the best central defenders ever.

On 4 July 1995, El Gráfico published an interview with Passarella. The seventy-third question in the one hundred-question interview was "Would you convoke a homosexual?," to which Passarella answered with a simple "No" . That "no" soon became the center of a debate that filled several newspaper and magazine pages and many hours of radio air-time.

Passarella expressed resentment that his one word answer to one question in a hundred-question interview was overshadowing issues more directly related to the national team and its performance. He explained that "it is a personal taste. Like if I did not want a player who is too tall" and he argued that "this is a democratic country" in which everyone is allowed to have his own tastes and to act accordingly.

Julio Grondona, who as president of the Asociación de Fútbol Argentino is Passarella's boss, surprised many soccer fans by disagreeing with his coach. He said that he believed Passarella lacked tolerance because of his youth and that "if a homosexual respects the norms of the group, there would be no problems in incorporating him in the national team".

Similarly, José Pekerman, the coach of Argentina's junior national teams (years after he would be the coach of the senior NT), recognized that some players might be bothered by having an openly gay teammate, but he said he would turn to psychological and medical professionals to handle group anxiety.

The most polemical response to Passarella came, predictably, from Diego Maradona. Passarella and Maradona have been archrivals since 1981, when Passarella was the leading defensive player for River Plate and Maradona was the leading offensive player for Boca Juniors. Passarella was the captain of the Argentine national team that won the 1978 World Cup, but Maradona replaced him as captain of the team that won the World Cup in 1986. Maradona responded to Passarella's anti-gay policiess by saying he hoped Boca Juniors would buy Ruud Gullit, an openly gay Dutch player, widely believed to be the best player in the world in the early 1990s. Maradona asked rhetorically, "If a player is gay and he scores three goals, what is Passarella going to do?". Maradona also used the controversy to make a dramatic statement in favor of tolerance for sexual differences.

FilipeMB
08-04-2007, 08:49 PM
This is so ridiculous. I mean, it's him choice. I'm really not too into in football (just following my team, EC Vitoria who is in Brazilian 2nd Divsion) and I don't know if Richarlyson is a good player but just this homophobic act is so ridiculous..

shotgun
08-04-2007, 08:58 PM
Ruud Gullit, an openly gay Dutch player

Gullit has been married three times and had several children. :confused:

Hendu
08-04-2007, 09:08 PM
Gullit has been married three times and had several children. :confused:

http://faculty.oxy.edu/tobin/documents/balls.html :shrug:

Hendu
08-04-2007, 09:33 PM
Gullit has been married three times and had several children. :confused:

Gullit has been married three times and has six children:

Yvonne de Vries - 1984 to 1991: two children, daughters Felicity and Charmayne.
Cristina Pensa - 1994 to May 2000: two children, son Quincy and daughter Sheyenne.
Estelle Cruijff - 3 June 2000 - present: She is the niece of Johan Cruyff. They have two children, son Maxim and daughter Joëlle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruud_Gullit

The Surinamer-Dutch soccer player Ruud Gullit - who was named the best soccer player in the world in 1987 and 1989 - left his wife to live with his gay lover, saying, "I care for my wife and my children very much, but I am in love with him."
Source: Tobin, Jeffrey. "Soccer" Gay Histories and Cultures, p. 824

http://andrejkoymasky.com/liv/fam/biog3/gull1.html

Just a lie in a book and an article I guess... :confused: because I haven't found anything else about it.

shotgun
08-04-2007, 09:40 PM
Strange stuff... But what really matters is that Gullit was pure class on the field. That Dutch team with him, Rijkaard, Van Basten and Koeman was spectacular. Too bad they failed to deliver at the 1990 WC.

Hendu
08-04-2007, 10:10 PM
Strange stuff... But what really matters is that Gullit was pure class on the field. That Dutch team with him, Rijkaard, Van Basten and Koeman was spectacular. Too bad they failed to deliver at the 1990 WC.

Sooner or later the football world will have to stop with the discrimination. And a world class player making public his sexual preference for men, I think would matter, might make a difference for the other gay players.

It seems Gullit is not the case though.

Rafa = Fed Killa
08-05-2007, 02:36 AM
What else can you expect from RFK??

I hope the player gets a lot of support from his team mates and from the general public. All he wanted to do was to play soccer. It's his choice to tell people about his sexuality. At least it looks like the judge is going to face more heat than the player....

You'd think there would be more tolerance in a place like Brazil, I mean it's practically the gay capital of the world.

I think San Fran would be the gay capital.

And why would anyone need to tell his teammates about his sexuality. Play the game and dont brag about being gay or straight.

Bremen
08-05-2007, 04:13 AM
Thanks for all the info guys...

RFK, when did anyone say that he needed to tell his team mates? It was the manager of another team who outed him.

Rafa = Fed Killa
08-05-2007, 05:19 PM
Thanks for all the info guys...

RFK, when did anyone say that he needed to tell his team mates? It was the manager of another team who outed him.

Oh k I misunderstood.

Then the guy isnt at fault and I feel sorry him.

I just believe players gay or straight should focus on the game and no one needs to know their sexuality.

Sofonda Cox
08-05-2007, 05:30 PM
Oh k I misunderstood.

Then the guy isnt at fault and I feel sorry him.

I just believe players gay or straight should focus on the game and no one needs to know their sexuality.

:confused: but you badrepped me saying 'fruits' can't play sports - contradiction there ;) :retard:

Rafa = Fed Killa
08-05-2007, 08:32 PM
:confused: but you badrepped me saying 'fruits' can't play sports - contradiction there ;) :retard:

You insulted me first.

I fight fire with fire ;)