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Schu
10-06-2007, 09:28 PM
Sorry, I had no way to record it (no TiVo and my other equipment is busted). DOn't mean to rub it in but I can't wait to see the final.

lisaplenske
10-06-2007, 09:43 PM
oh i watched the match! i thought for sure after the first half there was no way france could win but they did! thats great:D now richie win tomorrow!!

yes me too!:eek: great fight from France.:cool:

Marine
10-06-2007, 10:08 PM
Il s'est mis à l'heure rugby, tout simplement ;) :worship:
Great day anyway.

*Sweet4Richard*
10-07-2007, 02:14 AM
Richard :bounce:

Schu
10-07-2007, 04:51 AM
:sad: It's a wipe out - Ferrer 6-1, 6-2 in 52 minutes!:sad:

I misssed the first 3 games but apparently all I missed was Richard getting broken twice and Ferrer flying around the court, crushing balls while Richard just watched or worse standing flat footed and missing. Ferrer was just too fast, too strong and too precise and Richard was totally confused - nothing worked, he looked really flat and had no fight - heard that before? He perked up a little at 0-3 in the second but it was too little too late.

It was a good 2 weeks and there were many positives that he can take from this. It is too bad he ran out of gas mentally and physically in the final. He'll never make it to the top until he can be at his strongest in the final rounds, not his weakest.

Rest up Richie and build on this good run to make it through to finals in Madrid and Paris.

Flibbertigibbet
10-07-2007, 05:00 AM
I highly doubt he's going to make it past the first round (nemesis Nalbandian) of Vienna, which at least gives him some time to rest up for Madrid, Lyon, and Paris.

my0118
10-07-2007, 05:13 AM
:sad: It's a wipe out - Ferrer 6-1, 6-2 in 52 minutes!:sad:

I misssed the first 3 games but apparently all I missed was Richard getting broken twice and Ferrer flying around the court, crushing balls while Richard just watched or worse standing flat footed and missing. Ferrer was just too fast, too strong and too precise and Richard was totally confused - nothing worked, he looked really flat and had no fight - heard that before? He perked up a little at 0-3 in the second but it was too little too late.

It was a good 2 weeks and there were many positives that he can take from this. It is too bad he ran out of gas mentally and physically in the final. He'll never make it to the top until he can be at his strongest in the final rounds, not his weakest.

Rest up Richie and build on this good run to make it through to finals in Madrid and Paris.

Yeah it has been great two weeks for him. But the way he lost today is a little bit shameful. From what I was watching the match, he didn't chase the ball and never fought. Just it looked like he wanted to throw it away because it didn't go to his way. If he played a bit much giving an effort, I wouldn't say it was disgraceful.

However he had good weeks in Asia. Hopefully this bounces him in Europe as well so he plays well in the rest of the tournaments.

Schu
10-07-2007, 05:32 AM
I highly doubt he's going to make it past the first round (nemesis Nalbandian) of Vienna, which at least gives him some time to rest up for Madrid, Lyon, and Paris.

I doubt he will even show up for Vienna. If he does his game won't show up which is O.K by me cuz it gives another one of my favorite players, (Nalbo), a chance and richie can rest.

MariaV
10-07-2007, 07:14 AM
WTF?!? :o :o :sad: :sad: At least good I didnt get up for that.
Ah well yeah nothing really new here. ;) These were 2 good weeks in Asia anyway. :) :hug: :hug: Now get some rest and take the Paris TMS title! :banana: :yippee:

Puschkin
10-07-2007, 07:16 AM
France beat New Zealand and the terrible All Blacks!:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :banana: :banana: :banana:

I'm sure richard watched the match and will be really inspired in his finale tomorrow.

If he really did that (starting at 3.00 am Tokyo time) I am not any more suprised about the result of the final. ;)

:topic: Congrats to the French rugby team :) They must feel rehabiltated. I was in ´France when they lost the first match against Argentina and the papers were "killing" them.

Allure
10-07-2007, 07:46 AM
I wanted Richard to win but I can understand if he was tired. Plus Ferrer is a tough opponent (who outran Nadal at USO) so I can easily imagine he ran after all of Richie's balls. But anywho, Gasquet exceeded my expectations by winning a tournament and then making a final the next week. I hope he gets some rest before the next tourney. :)

my0118
10-07-2007, 07:48 AM
I wanted Richard to win but I can understand if he was tired. Plus Ferrer is a tough opponent (who outran Nadal at USO) so I can easily imagine he ran after all of Richie's balls. But anywho, Gasquet exceeded my expectations by winning a tournament and then making a final the next week. I hope he gets some rest before the next tourney. :)

Sorry Brittany, but from what I watched, Ferrer didn't have to run after the balls that much. Richard played like shit and really defensively, while Ferrer played agressively. ;)

Allure
10-07-2007, 07:52 AM
I think Richard is very tired physically and mentally that's why he played like crap. But I think with time, he will work on not giving up and rising to the big occasion. I think we should he less critical and congratulate Gasquet for a great two weeks. He made two finals back to back and beat Berdych (who isn't an easy opponent). :)

my0118
10-07-2007, 08:05 AM
Well but I was a bit disappointed. Yes he must have been tired indeed, but the match was disappointing not because Richard played so bad and lost but because he didn't fight anything from what I saw. Well he faced break points almost every on his serve. I'm really happy for him having the great weeks, yet I saw him he hasn't changed the attitude that much (playing 1 AU behind the baseline and defensively when he faces the player above him). Berdych is sort of similar to Gasquet. He is obviously good, but not a good fighter as well. Both are where they are because they are too good to be low-ranked, but something is missing in their mentality.

However he's close to the top 10 again, which means that we can expect him something better next year. Now I hope he qualifies Shanghai even as an alternative. :haha:

silverwhite
10-07-2007, 08:15 AM
While it's understandable that he was physically tired, it was a disappointing match from him mentally and tactically. To put things in perspective though, who would have thought that he would reach the final at the start of the week? :lol:

linus
10-07-2007, 08:17 AM
Gosh :eek: a bad scoreline :p

Richie must have done something bad enough :awww: it showed that he is still the boy :aplot: of course he has tried better than used to, well, if he is well enough on more courts, forgive him ;)

linus
10-07-2007, 08:18 AM
a few weeks ahead till the Shanghai, Allez Richie :angel:

Allure
10-07-2007, 08:19 AM
Yeah he need to change his style of standing behind the baseline and work on his fh and be more aggressive. I think he playing defensively is still a sign he is not super confident playing higher ranked players. Before the match he said Ferrer was the favorite. :o He believes he is worse than he is while Djoke believes he is better than he is. Hopefully it will change by 2008. :o

On a good note, he is ranked 11 and is very close to making top 10. I'm not sure if he can overtake Ferrer's spot for Shanghai though. Unless he does very well at Madrid, Paris, and Lyon. And if Ferrer loses early or gets an injury. :help:

my0118
10-07-2007, 08:26 AM
Ferrer is substantially qualified. Only two spots are left. I'm not sure how much the rest of the players who could possibly be qualified will do, but if he plays well in Masters series, I think he has a decent chance.

Getting an injury. :o Nalbandian's fairytale in 05? :eek: :lol:

Allure
10-07-2007, 08:36 AM
Aren't there only 8 spots and Ferrer is ranked 8. I don't see how Gasquet would overtake him unless Ferrer isn't playing or loses early.
:scratch:

my0118
10-07-2007, 08:40 AM
Ferrer is no.6, no.7 is Gonzalez and No. 8 is Blake who has just one point more than Gasquet ;)

silverwhite
10-07-2007, 08:41 AM
Ferrer is #6 in the race, followed by Gonzo and Blake

Allure
10-07-2007, 08:43 AM
I thought it is determined by ATP rankings not race. :o

*julie*
10-07-2007, 08:43 AM
If he really did that (starting at 3.00 am Tokyo time) I am not any more suprised about the result of the final. ;)

:topic: Congrats to the French rugby team :) They must feel rehabiltated. I was in ´France when they lost the first match against Argentina and the papers were "killing" them.

That's a harsh scoreline but the rugby match was worth to be watched. This kind of performance only happens once a decade. ;)

They beat the favorites so, they are the new favorites from now on... Lets see if they will handle the pressure from the medias which had criticized them earlier.. :rolleyes:

While it's understandable that he was physically tired, it was a disappointing match from him mentally and tactically. To put things in perspective though, who would have thought that he would reach the final at the start of the week? :lol:


I like when you put things in perspectives silver :worship:

It's disappointing to see he didn't take this title but at least, he has recovered confidence and will. Now Madrid and Bercy will really matter.

my0118
10-07-2007, 08:52 AM
I thought it is determined by ATP rankings not race. :o

:lol: Then why they put rankings and races respectively?

BTW I think Richard's trademark should be changed from 'backhand' to 'He's the favorite and a great player.'

lisaplenske
10-07-2007, 09:26 AM
:sad: It's a wipe out - Ferrer 6-1, 6-2 in 52 minutes!:sad:

I misssed the first 3 games but apparently all I missed was Richard getting broken twice and Ferrer flying around the court, crushing balls while Richard just watched or worse standing flat footed and missing. Ferrer was just too fast, too strong and too precise and Richard was totally confused - nothing worked, he looked really flat and had no fight - heard that before? He perked up a little at 0-3 in the second but it was too little too late.

It was a good 2 weeks and there were many positives that he can take from this. It is too bad he ran out of gas mentally and physically in the final. He'll never make it to the top until he can be at his strongest in the final rounds, not his weakest.

Rest up Richie and build on this good run to make it through to finals in Madrid and Paris.

I woke up early,so difficult to see that kind of "non play" from richard:( I was disappointed and I came back to finish my night.
I knew that Ferrer is not a joke to face but this score is too harsh.:awww:

I agree with you when you say that he has to improve his mental and physical strengh to challenge every top player on a Final. This must be his goal for next year.
he maded 2 very positive weeks and finishing like that its shameful.
Hopefully he will withdraw from Vienna and take some rest.He needs it. Hopefully he will come back very strong in Madrid.:yeah:

tennis lover
10-07-2007, 01:06 PM
:awww: disappointing result from Richard, it would've been nice if he'd put up a bit of a fight! but overall 2 great weeks, hopefully he can carry it over to the MSs! :bounce:
France beat New Zealand and the terrible All Blacks!:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :banana: :banana: :banana:

I'm sure richard watched the match and will be really inspired in his finale tomorrow.
Allez Richard Lion heart!you can do it!:yeah:
:lol: it was a great match indeed! everyone here went crazy, I can't imagine what it would be like if they won the whole thing! :o France-England next, that'll be fun! :devil:
If he really did that (starting at 3.00 am Tokyo time) I am not any more suprised about the result of the final. ;)
I was about to say the same thing! :lol:

Puschkin
10-07-2007, 03:02 PM
To put things in perspective though, who would have thought that he would reach the final at the start of the week? :lol:

I did. ;) I am not that upset about this defeat, Ferrer is on a hot streak, on has to admit it, Madrid and Bercy will decide about Shanghai and I suspect Richard to have watched the rugby match, even if he told the press otherwise. ;)

Schu
10-07-2007, 03:47 PM
I think Richard is very tired physically and mentally that's why he played like crap. But I think with time, he will work on not giving up and rising to the big occasion. I think we should he less critical and congratulate Gasquet for a great two weeks. He made two finals back to back and beat Berdych (who isn't an easy opponent). :)

Yes he did play like crap and it was obvious that he was tired - that is not an excuse, just a fact. And while everyone is most upset with the mental lack of effort I think that mental fatigue is in large part a result of physical fatigue. YOu have to have a mind of steel to force an exhausted body to move when it doesn't want to move. Only people on the tour that seem to be able to do that are Nadal, Fed and recently Djoke sometimes(any coincedence they are the top 3)?

And yes we should congratulate him for a victory and a final the following week. Don't think any expected him to make it very far in Toyko. I know I expected that he would fold to Berdych and actually he had a few opportuniites to do so and didn't.

My theory - when he gets stronger physically, we will see his true mental strength. He is just 21 (again not an excuse) and his body is visually not nearly as strong as others in the Top 10 who BTW but for Nadal and Djoke are 4 - 5 years older.

I'm going with the just like a fine French wine, you can't rush the aging process theory and fully expect Richie to be a strong, consistent force in 2-3 years.

silverwhite
11-06-2007, 10:47 PM
Bump!

I was contemplating starting a new thread but no point having one for 3 losses. :o :rolls:

tennis lover
11-06-2007, 11:20 PM
SW! :o :p

I am excited about the draw! :bounce:

my0118
11-07-2007, 12:03 AM
Okay I want him to be into the Nadal's group because the only RR matches I can see will be the latter group. :rolls:

BTW isn't TMC an indoor court? :scratch:

silverwhite
11-07-2007, 01:02 AM
It's indoor hard :rolls:

my0118
11-07-2007, 01:05 AM
But I think we deserve to have an independent TMC Thread even if we roll over his triple defeats. :rolls: Let me make one. ;)