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Harry Potter Book 7 **Spoilers** Discussion for those who've read it

cmurray
07-22-2007, 12:24 PM
I thought we needed a thread where people can't say "You're ruining it".

What did everyone think? I finished it yesterday around 5:00.

jitterbug
07-22-2007, 12:51 PM
I agree ;)

The people I know are all in consensus so far that the epilogue sucks, is corny and totally unnecessary.

Burrow
07-22-2007, 01:08 PM
book 7? wtf?

savesthedizzle
07-22-2007, 01:10 PM
The epilogue is pure cheese :rolls: And I got a little confused which kids were Harry/Ginny's and which were Ron/Hermione's :lol: Like Hugo. And who the hell is Victoire? Is that Harry and Hermione's first kid which they apparently had when they were pretty young if she's off snogging Ted Lupin. :shrug:

Anywayyyyyy I got a little tear in my eye when he said Snape was the bravest headmaster Hogwarts had ever known. I was just kinda like "Awww." but other than that. I hate the epilogue. At the same time I know why she did it. Now that she's kind of said what happens over the next 19 years.. people can't pressure her to continue with another book ;) It's over.

And also other than that I absolutely loved the book. When I was reading it, I just felt so... right. It was like every theory I thought would happen... did. I feel vindicated that a) Harry WAS the last horcrux and b) he could kill it somehow without dying :) People always were like "No way is he a Horcrux, and he has to die." And well... I win that duel ;)

Also.. Draco. I was always right about him.. he's weak. Never as bad as he thought he was... but Narcissa actually shocked me. She shouldn't have, since when she made the unbreakable vow with Snape in book 6, it was clear that her main concern was her son rather than the Dark Lord's wishes being fulfilled... but it still surprised me that she lied to the Dark Lord about Potter's death. Once he told her Draco was safe she still could have sold him out... but it just kind of shows the Malfoy's were always just with Voldy for the power and the prestige but perhaps never were as into all of the dark stuff part of it as Lestrange was etc. But also... did Voldy lose his legilimens power with some of his Horcruxes I wonder? Because Voldy at his greatest power would have known Narcissa was lying and would have known when he was playing with Potter that he was still alive. I'm thinking he must have.

Bilbo
07-22-2007, 01:12 PM
what a hype around harry potter. harry potter will never reach he glory and cult homer simpson has.

Burrow
07-22-2007, 01:24 PM
harry potter is for 10 year old children, it is garbage.

cmurray
07-22-2007, 01:29 PM
I agree ;)

The people I know are all in consensus so far that the epilogue sucks, is corny and totally unnecessary.

The epilogue was BY FAR the worst part of the book.

What I didn't like :

1. The way Snape died. After the build-up over 6 books, he doesn't get the hero's death? And learning ALL about what he REALLY was in ONE chapter in a pensieve seemed a cop-out.

2. The wand ownership fiasco. Did it mean that every time one wizard used expelliarmus on another, wands changed allegiance? Or maybe it was just the Elder wand for which that was the case...I don't know - either way it was very confusing.

3. I understand why Snape asked Voldemort to have Lily's life spared, but for the life of me, I can't figure out why he would comply. Since when have we ever known LV to cater to the "whims" of his followers? Seemed out of character

4. The "camping" section of the book. I know it was important, but it seemed to drag out longer than necessary.

5. The death of wormtail. Seems like he should have suffered more.



What I LOVED

1. That Ron and Neville got to share some of the horcrux killing glory. Neville in particular, since he was a "true Gryffindor" and pulled Godric's sword out of the sorting hat.

2. The house-elves. Kreacher and Dobby sort of stole the show.

3. The Snape/Lily relationship. I've known since book 5 that this was going to occur. It explains quite a bit about Snape's relationship with Harry. His arch-rival James Potter's face and Lily Evans' eyes. Snape is BY FAR my favorite character in all the books.

4. The tarnishing of Dumbledore. Its the first time we've seen him be fallible and have normal human weaknesses. One of the high points of the book, I think.

5. The final scene between Harry and Voldemort and the King's Cross scene with Harry and Dumbledore, if for no other reason than that it gave me so much information I'd been wondering about.


BTW, the deaths of Dobby and Fred were gutting.

Bilbo
07-22-2007, 01:31 PM
harry potter is for 10 year old children, it is garbage.

first of all it is garbage with no sense and second of all none of these characters in harry potter have the potential to reach cult status.

cmurray
07-22-2007, 01:34 PM
Savestheday

Hugo is the son of Ron and Hermione
Victoire is the daughter of Bill and Fleur, though we're never actually told that. We're supposed to infer it based on the fact that she has a French name.

savesthedizzle
07-22-2007, 01:44 PM
2. The wand ownership fiasco. Did it mean that every time one wizard used expelliarmus on another, wands changed allegiance? Or maybe it was just the Elder wand for which that was the case...I don't know - either way it was very confusing.

I think it said somewhere that it has to be won.. using expelliarmus doesn't necessarily win you a wand... it seems the winner of a duel/battle etc gets the right. Otherwise if you just take a wand without trutly winning the wand, it won't work well enough for you. Harry took Draco's wand but it wasn't working well enough which is why he had to hold Draco's hand when casting the spells at the end of the book.. so that the wand's true owner was there. Harry and Draco never fought.

3. I understand why Snape asked Voldemort to have Lily's life spared, but for the life of me, I can't figure out why he would comply. Since when have we ever known LV to cater to the "whims" of his followers? Seemed out of character

I kinda wondered that too. It gives Voldemort too much of a heart, too much ability to care, when he supposedly could not do that. I mean, he kept telling Lily to get out of the way... he actually tried to follow through with the agreement with Snape. Asking her to get out of the way (if I'm not mistaken) more than once. Verrrrry out of character to me as well.



What I LOVED

1. That Ron and Neville got to share some of the horcrux killing glory. Neville in particular, since he was a "true Gryffindor" and pulled Godric's sword out of the sorting hat.

YES!! When Neville pulled out the sword, I was like "YESSSSSSSSSS!". Neville got so strong in this book! He did his parents proud for sure. I wish HE was the one to kill off Lestrange though, but killing Nagini was awesome :) I was so proud of him! And when he met the trio to lead them into Hogwarts and was shrugging off the torture and stuff he had gone through over the last year, it was just kind of like, "Whoah. Neville has really grown." Up until they got to Hogwarts, I was actually kind of annoyed. I was thinking constantly, "Where the hell is Neville? He has been semi-important throughout this ENTIRE series, I am 500 pages through and his name has been mentioned like 3 times." And then he came, and had the importance and the moment we all hoped he would :)

2. The house-elves. Kreacher and Dobby sort of stole the show.

I loved the change in Kreacher. That he even began to respect Hermione. :awww: I was worried at first though.. when they first started giving him tasks.. like fetching Mundungus for them.. I was like "Oh shoot.. he might betray them somehow..." but it worked out alright :) Dobby's death was so heartbreaking. :(

3. The Snape/Lily relationship. I've known since book 5 that this was going to occur. It explains quite a bit about Snape's relationship with Harry. His arch-rival James Potter's face and Lily Evans' eyes. Snape is BY FAR my favorite character in all the books.

I kinda also liked seeing more of Petunia... that she originally had really wanted to go with Lily to Hogwarts and then when it became clear she wasn't going how suddenly Lily turned into a "freak."



BTW, the deaths of Dobby and Fred were gutting.

Dude, I have no idea why, but before this book came out, I was absolutely convinced a twin was going to die. There is not really anything at all in previous books that would have told me that, but I was certain. :lol: So him I kind of expected... but Dobby... :sad:

savesthedizzle
07-22-2007, 01:45 PM
Savestheday

Hugo is the son of Ron and Hermione
Victoire is the daughter of Bill and Fleur, though we're never actually told that. We're supposed to infer it based on the fact that she has a French name.

I thought Hugo was theirs. Thanks :)

Ahhhhhh. See that's part of what I didn't like about the epilogue.. all these names were kind of just thrown at you. You just felt this whole sense of completeness. Voldemort destructed. Some people dead, some alive. And then you flip the page, see the words "19 years later" and suddenly she throws all these names at you.

Rose? Whose kid is Rose? :rolls:

W!MBLEDON
07-22-2007, 01:45 PM
harry potter is for 10 year old children, it is garbage.

http://www.bluelinecomics.com/pictures/It's%20Capt%20Obvious%20600.jpg

Chloe le Bopper
07-22-2007, 02:11 PM
The people who whined that you're "ruining it" are totally going to read this thread too :D

LeChuck
07-22-2007, 02:13 PM
My main criticisms of this book were the terrible epilogue, Snape not being given more time to shine (and not dying in a more valiant manner) and that the scenes in the forest were drawn and stretched out for too long.
The motorcyle chase when Harry was being chased on his way to Tonks's house, and the Gringotts breakout scenes were simply brilliant. I'm also glad that the backgrounds and pasts of Snape and particularly Dumbledore were explored in more detail.

jeahhh!
07-22-2007, 03:44 PM
Victoire is the daughter of Bill and Fleur, though we're never actually told that. We're supposed to infer it based on the fact that she has a French name.

Oooh that makes sense:rolls: Thanks.:hatoff:

The epilogue really was the worst part of the book, and I agree the whole camping part was dragged on forever.
Fred:sobbing:

Fee
07-22-2007, 04:26 PM
I think it said somewhere that it has to be won.. using expelliarmus doesn't necessarily win you a wand... it seems the winner of a duel/battle etc gets the right. Otherwise if you just take a wand without trutly winning the wand, it won't work well enough for you. Harry took Draco's wand but it wasn't working well enough which is why he had to hold Draco's hand when casting the spells at the end of the book.. so that the wand's true owner was there. Harry and Draco never fought.



:confused: Where was Harry holding Draco's hand to cast spells? Harry won Draco's wand when they were at Malfoy Manor. He didn't use brute force to do it, but it was enough to change the wand's allegiance (as explained by Ollivander when they were at Bill and Fleur's house).

savesthedizzle
07-22-2007, 04:27 PM
:confused: Where was Harry holding Draco's hand to cast spells? Harry won Draco's wand when they were at Malfoy Manor. He didn't use brute force to do it, but it was enough to change the wand's allegiance (as explained by Ollivander when they were at Bill and Fleur's house).

At the verrrrrrrrrry end. I remember rereading the line 10 times because I thought to myself "Where the hell did Draco come from." My mom is reading my book at the moment... I'll get it in a second.

I am almost certain I'm not confusing this....

savesthedizzle
07-22-2007, 04:31 PM
page 742

"..and Harry gripped Draco's very tightly". At least that's how I interpreted that line because they are talking about hands. I don't have the book here, but the first part of the sentence is talking about hands.. something like "Voldemort's hand shook holding the Elder Wand and Harry gripped Draco's very tightly." I guess that could mean wand... but the way I read it seemed to mean hand. :shrug:

savesthedizzle
07-22-2007, 04:32 PM
Now that I reread it, it means wand.

blah I was confused :rolls:

Apologies for my confusion. Didn't mean to make anyone upset.

jeahhh!
07-22-2007, 04:34 PM
Jess your location:rolls:

savesthedizzle
07-22-2007, 04:37 PM
Jess your location:rolls:

Hahaha Milan shocked me earlier when he said I couldn't be in both Murray and Troicki's pants, so I went for a whole new angle. :rolls:

(But ermm Oliver Wood made a cameo in this book, so let me say I'd like to be perhaps in Sean Biggerstaff's pants)

Fee
07-22-2007, 04:40 PM
Now that I reread it, it means wand.

blah I was confused :rolls:

Apologies for my confusion. Didn't mean to make anyone upset.

See, that's what happens when people spend nine hours straight reading a book right through before someone spoils it for them! :lol:

I don't think anyone was upset, I thought I had missed something because I remember the 3 Malfoys cowering in the corner together, but it's all beginning to blur together now for me. :)

savesthedizzle
07-22-2007, 04:43 PM
See, that's what happens when people spend nine hours straight reading a book right through before someone spoils it for them! :lol:

I don't think anyone was upset, I thought I had missed something because I remember the 3 Malfoys cowering in the corner together, but it's all beginning to blur together now for me. :)

:rolls: Yes that's what happens.

I liked the image of him holding Draco's hand to defeat Voldemort though. :rolls: Oh well. Hahahahaha.

Johnny Groove
07-22-2007, 04:57 PM
I liked when Snape was dying, and Harry came up to him, Snape said to look him in the eye so that he could see Lily's eyes one last time :awww:

savesthedizzle
07-22-2007, 05:03 PM
I liked when Snape was dying, and Harry came up to him, Snape said to look him in the eye so that he could see Lily's eyes one last time :awww:

Too sad. :(

jeahhh!
07-22-2007, 05:21 PM
Hahaha Milan shocked me earlier when he said I couldn't be in both Murray and Troicki's pants, so I went for a whole new angle. :rolls:

(But ermm Oliver Wood made a cameo in this book, so let me say I'd like to be perhaps in Sean Biggerstaff's pants)
I was so happy that he was back for all of like one line:rolls:
I liked when Snape was dying, and Harry came up to him, Snape said to look him in the eye so that he could see Lily's eyes one last time :awww:

Thats was sad.:sad: Snape:awww:

savesthedizzle
07-22-2007, 05:25 PM
I was so happy that he was back for all of like one line:rolls:


I want them to throw Biggerstaff into the film for a cameo. Even if he just screams like "I hate death eaters." like.. something stupid and small, but to a fan of the series we'd all be like "OLIVER WOOD!"

And the ladies in the audience would all go :drool: :hearts: :drool:

Johnny Groove
07-22-2007, 05:29 PM
I loved how she brought back alot of things and referenced them during the battle,

like the chamber of secrets, the whomping willow, Aragog, alot of the Forest, even Buckbeack the Hippogriff :hearts: :hug:

jeahhh!
07-22-2007, 05:29 PM
I want them to throw Biggerstaff into the film for a cameo. Even if he just screams like "I hate death eaters." like.. something stupid and small, but to a fan of the series we'd all be like "OLIVER WOOD!"

And the ladies in the audience would all go :drool: :hearts: :drool:

Seriously they should.

:hearts:

savesthedizzle
07-22-2007, 05:33 PM
I loved how she brought back alot of things and referenced them during the battle,

like the chamber of secrets, the whomping willow, Aragog, alot of the Forest, even Buckbeack the Hippogriff :hearts: :hug:

Yup.. you can totally see why she did the things she did in earlier books.. the importance some of the stuff would have :)

El Legenda
07-22-2007, 05:37 PM
so harry knocked up some bitch? :lol:

Johnny Groove
07-22-2007, 05:48 PM
so harry knocked up some bitch? :lol:

why bother posting? :retard:

jitterbug
07-22-2007, 09:42 PM
I want them to throw Biggerstaff into the film for a cameo. Even if he just screams like "I hate death eaters." like.. something stupid and small, but to a fan of the series we'd all be like "OLIVER WOOD!"

And the ladies in the audience would all go :drool: :hearts: :drool:

WTF Jess :lol: I totally love you :hearts: and Biggerstaff? What a droolicious name.

The most important thing I took from the book was that being a mother makes you extraordinary. Like when it comes to protecting your child(ren), you somehow get a superhuman courage to do something beyond what you would usually be expected to do, re: Lily, Molly Weasley, Narcissa.

Am I making sense? Pfft :o

jeahhh!
07-22-2007, 09:44 PM
WTF Jess :lol: I totally love you :hearts: and Biggerstaff? What a droolicious name.

The most important thing I took from the book was that being a mother makes you extraordinary. Like when it comes to protecting your child(ren), you somehow get a superhuman courage to do something beyond what you would usually be expected to do, re: Lily, Molly Weasley, Narcissa.

Am I making sense? Pfft :o

Yes you are making sense.:)

savesthedizzle
07-22-2007, 09:45 PM
WTF Jess :lol: I totally love you :hearts: and Biggerstaff? What a droolicious name.

The most important thing I took from the book was that being a mother makes you extraordinary. Like when it comes to protecting your child(ren), you somehow get a superhuman courage to do something beyond what you would usually be expected to do, re: Lily, Molly Weasley, Narcissa.

Am I making sense? Pfft :o

:yeah: Totally :) You make perfect sense :p

LeChuck
07-22-2007, 09:53 PM
Thankfully Snape did turn out to be on Dumbledore's side. To be honest it was incredibly obvious from Book 6 that he was good (Rowling laid out a series of blatant clues to support this), so the revelation in the pensieve was hardly a surprise.
I did like the fact the 7 horcruxes, the diary, the ring, the locket, the cup, the diadem, Nagini and Harry's blood, were destroyed by 7 different people.

The Pro
07-22-2007, 11:03 PM
Harry didn't destroy any of the Horcruxes, did he? Pft. Some hero. :rolleyes:

Also, not the Sean Biggerstaff BS again, I had enough of that from my friends...

savesthedizzle
07-22-2007, 11:04 PM
Harry didn't destroy any of the Horcruxes, did he? Pft. Some hero. :rolleyes:

Also, not the Sean Biggerstaff BS again, I had enough of that from my friends...

He did actually. He did the diary :)

moon
07-23-2007, 03:12 AM
my favorite part, and the saddest part was the pensieve.
it was so bittersweet!

ps--for all you that hated the last chapter, I think she included that because she didn't want anyone else trying to pick up where she left off in the Potter story. I read one of her interviews where she said she would hate it if that were to happen.

jitterbug
07-23-2007, 04:44 AM
my favorite part, and the saddest part was the pensieve.
it was so bittersweet!

ps--for all you that hated the last chapter, I think she included that because she didn't want anyone else trying to pick up where she left off in the Potter story. I read one of her interviews where she said she would hate it if that were to happen.

That wouldn't stop the Mary Sue/ slash fanfics :lol:

jitterbug
07-23-2007, 07:40 AM
I'm sure about a bajillion people asked this already :o but I thought in Book 1 (or was it 2?) it was mentioned that a wizard's wand is snapped into two upon his death. Why is the Elder Wand still intact?

Alyz
07-23-2007, 07:58 AM
The epilogue was so crap... Pointless and cheesy. Blah. It already had a happy ending, actually happier than I thought. Overall I liked the book but the epilogue should have been left out. Yeah, it was a closure to the story, but a bad one.

I knew Snape had to be good. Great character, much more interesting than Harry for example. I also liked Dumbledore's big part in the book. He was always one of my favourite characters as well.

But how did Neville get the sword in the end? I thought the goblin took it? Did I miss something? :confused:

jitterbug
07-23-2007, 08:39 AM
But how did Neville get the sword in the end? I thought the goblin took it? Did I miss something? :confused:

I think it's the power of the Sorting Hat - it could conjure up the sword when any true Gryffindor wearing it is in mortal danger. Like Harry against the Basilisk.

cmurray
07-23-2007, 08:09 PM
I think it's the power of the Sorting Hat - it could conjure up the sword when any true Gryffindor wearing it is in mortal danger. Like Harry against the Basilisk.

Yes. Only a true Gryffindor could pull Godric's sword out of the sorting hat. That Neville is a true Gryffindor and that he killed Nagini was just too awesome. Always liked Neville.

BTW, Alyz I agree - snape has always been FAR FAR more interesting to me than Harry. And Luna is more interesting than hermione. Its one of the beauties of Rowling. :)

smitty8
07-23-2007, 10:18 PM
I finished the book at 1am this morning and had to get up by 6am for work, so I was exhausted today, but there was no way I could put it down once the Battle of Hogwarts began. I liked the action parts. There were a lot of places in between where I was so completely bored, like the camping stuff, she could've written 10 pages about it instead of, like, 100. :rolleyes: I was also completely confused at the end when Neville had the sword, I kept going "wait a minute", however, it was about midnight and I could barely keep my eyes open and someone at work explained it when I asked. Now my favorite line has to be Mrs. Weasley yelling "NOT MY DAUGHTER YOU BITCH!", well, that just made my day, lol.

Grinder
07-23-2007, 11:23 PM
I liked the epilogue, I thought it gave a nice sense of closure and I guess I always wanted it to end with Harry and Ginny marrying and Ron and Hermione marrying as well. :lol:


Overall the book ended the series exactly how I wanted it to, a fitting end to my favorite books. :worship:

savesthedizzle
07-24-2007, 01:56 AM
I liked the epilogue, I thought it gave a nice sense of closure and I guess I always wanted it to end with Harry and Ginny marrying and Ron and Hermione marrying as well. :lol:


Overall the book ended the series exactly how I wanted it to, a fitting end to my favorite books. :worship:

:eek: You totally never struck me as a Potter reader :yeah:

guille&tati4life
07-24-2007, 01:58 AM
:worship: The best book yet, and that took some doing.

Snape :yeah: always loved the guy :D. The pensieve chapter with him and Lily is imo the best chapter in any of the books.

W!MBLEDON
07-24-2007, 03:09 AM
why bother posting? :retard:

oh the irony, yet again. :haha:

neenah
07-24-2007, 01:47 PM
I finished the book at last. :p I thought it was great and extremely well thought out, how everything came together.

I agree with lots of the things said. The camping was a bit too long, but I guess JKR used that to show that it wasn't easy, Harry didn't really have a plan, they were just sort of wandering at first.

The epilogue didn't really answer enough questions about right after the war. I forget, was it mentioned in the book who the new headmaster was at Hogwarts? Also, I'm curious to know how the Malfoys would have reacted right away.

There were a few other things I felt needed answering, but I can't remember them now. Overall I thought it was a great end to a great series, not a disappointment at all.

gulzhan
07-24-2007, 02:15 PM
I just finished it :) I am so relieved that JKR found this absolutely best ending! :yeah: I can write pages ;) but I know the MTF rules :lol: and I also want to read what's posted on this thread already...

One thing-- I absolutely LOVED it when Harry called Voldemort "Riddle" in the last duel! :worship: The collest finding of the book! OMG, it is so HUGE to show how strong and completed Harry became by the end of his battle... "You never learn from your mistakes, Riddle..." :haha: I wish every moron dictator had his moment of being thrown down during his life time :sad:

stebs
07-24-2007, 02:39 PM
The story was good and that's what tends to draw people to the books. The quality of writing was fairly poor and toward the end the impression that the author was rushing to finish the book was evident. I still enjoyed it and I admit that I was interested to find out what happened but the poor writing of the book was disappointing, the others hadn't been incredible but this was far worse and was a shame.

stebs
07-24-2007, 02:45 PM
Some things that irked me about the book:

Ron opening Chamber of Secrets with parseltongue. It had earlier been stated that death eaters would've absolutely loved to speak it and it was a rare and mysterious gift and Ron was able to do it after a couple of minutes trying.

Molly killing Bellatrix. Bella was too arrogant but despite that she was one of the most accomplished witches of the time and defeated Black and was able to consumately out-duel Harry earlier in the series. Molly is a domestic witch and suddenly comes out of nowhere to kill her? Rubbish.

Lack of Snape. The best and most layered and interesting character of the series by a long way was barely mentioned and his death was bad as well.

Harry's reliance on Hermione. Hermione saved his skin about 100 times and was so much more accomplished at magic it was ridiculous. Harry actually turned out to be a pretty mediocre wizard considering his talented parents and yes he was noble etc... but as a wizard he ended up far too average for my liking.

Ending. Straight up shit epilogue. Written badly, gave fans the minimum of informatio.

gulzhan
07-24-2007, 04:57 PM
I liked when Snape was dying, and Harry came up to him, Snape said to look him in the eye so that he could see Lily's eyes one last time :awww:

yes, that was really sad... but i wish JKR gave snape more time with harry before death, i wish snape did say harry that he actually loved him because he was lilly's son, and i wish harry had opportunity to tell him something back....


I did like the fact the 7 horcruxes, the diary, the ring, the locket, the cup, the diadem, Nagini and Harry's blood, were destroyed by 7 different people.

cool :yeah: did not realize it :o

Some things that irked me about the book:

Ron opening Chamber of Secrets with parseltongue. It had earlier been stated that death eaters would've absolutely loved to speak it and it was a rare and mysterious gift and Ron was able to do it after a couple of minutes trying.

Molly killing Bellatrix. Bella was too arrogant but despite that she was one of the most accomplished witches of the time and defeated Black and was able to consumately out-duel Harry earlier in the series. Molly is a domestic witch and suddenly comes out of nowhere to kill her? Rubbish.

Lack of Snape. The best and most layered and interesting character of the series by a long way was barely mentioned and his death was bad as well.

Harry's reliance on Hermione. Hermione saved his skin about 100 times and was so much more accomplished at magic it was ridiculous. Harry actually turned out to be a pretty mediocre wizard considering his talented parents and yes he was noble etc... but as a wizard he ended up far too average for my liking.

Ending. Straight up shit epilogue. Written badly, gave fans the minimum of informatio.

agree, except that killing bellatrix by molly was fine imo, remember as bellatrix said-- you have to actually mean it! i liked it that mrs weasly finally stood up when she lost her son and realised that there is a time you have to act against evil because no one will do that for you....

as too harry being not so skilled, well, he might have been better than average, it's just hermione is exceptional i think... he fought great in the end, was real swift with both defense and attack? i'd put it this way-- harry learnt much less than he could with his magic abilities but that's becasue he had other priorities during the school time :lol:

anybody was upset by the way JKR tried to make dambledore more human? i mmh... was not sure his conversation with snape about harry being 7th horcrux was the dambledore's conversation... i mean it sounded very different this time from when dambledore spoke to harry about the prophesy in the end of the 5th book... just my feeling...

Mechlan
07-24-2007, 06:50 PM
The story was good and that's what tends to draw people to the books. The quality of writing was fairly poor and toward the end the impression that the author was rushing to finish the book was evident. I still enjoyed it and I admit that I was interested to find out what happened but the poor writing of the book was disappointing, the others hadn't been incredible but this was far worse and was a shame.

The story was good, but I disagree about her writing, always thought it was excellent, it's just so clear (barring the epilogue, which was completely unnecessary).

Some things that irked me about the book:

Ron opening Chamber of Secrets with parseltongue. It had earlier been stated that death eaters would've absolutely loved to speak it and it was a rare and mysterious gift and Ron was able to do it after a couple of minutes trying.

Molly killing Bellatrix. Bella was too arrogant but despite that she was one of the most accomplished witches of the time and defeated Black and was able to consumately out-duel Harry earlier in the series. Molly is a domestic witch and suddenly comes out of nowhere to kill her? Rubbish.

Lack of Snape. The best and most layered and interesting character of the series by a long way was barely mentioned and his death was bad as well.

Harry's reliance on Hermione. Hermione saved his skin about 100 times and was so much more accomplished at magic it was ridiculous. Harry actually turned out to be a pretty mediocre wizard considering his talented parents and yes he was noble etc... but as a wizard he ended up far too average for my liking.

Ending. Straight up shit epilogue. Written badly, gave fans the minimum of informatio.

Agree on all counts, though I did like the chapter on Snape's story. Just wish he played a larger role in this book, and his death was very anticlimactic.

I liked it in all, a good ending to the series. Wish some things could have been fleshed out better, I still have some unanswered questions, and I hated the epilogue, but overall I was impressed by the book.

simpletennis
07-24-2007, 07:04 PM
i LOVED LOVED LOVED LOVED LOVED the seventh book. harry potter is the best series ever!!!
the first few chapters were a little boring for me, but it got way more exciting, especially at hogwarts. all the deaths were so sad. like some of the characters that died, i almost cried.
and some of the stuff, i just nvr saw coming. like snape and lily potter. the gray woman and the bloody baron!! omg, j.k rowling is just amazing.
i didn't really like the epilogue, it was kinda too cheesy for me. seemed like she rushed that part, just to get it finished with. but overall, i love this book!! finished it in 1 1/2 days, could hardly put it down.

R.Federer
07-24-2007, 07:21 PM
So I am the only one here who hasn't read any of these in the series?.... :o

Saving them for my retirement.

cmurray
07-24-2007, 08:00 PM
The story was good and that's what tends to draw people to the books. The quality of writing was fairly poor and toward the end the impression that the author was rushing to finish the book was evident. I still enjoyed it and I admit that I was interested to find out what happened but the poor writing of the book was disappointing, the others hadn't been incredible but this was far worse and was a shame.

I would actually go so far as to call the story excellent. Fantasy as a genre has always taken the common and made it extraordinary. Talking lions, magical lampposts, places called Middle Earth where trees can walk and golden rings have the power to destroy. But Ms. Rowling has done just the opposite. The magic of Harry Potter isn't mystical and other-worldly - its familiar. She has created a world so realistic and easy to relate to, that its difficult to imagine that there is not a Hogwart's School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. For this reason alone, I think the series as a whole borders on genius.

I certainly understand where you're coming from on the writing style. She is certainly no Thomas Hardy. On the other hand, Hardy didn't write for twelve year old boys. Adults seemed prone at times to forget that these books were not written with them in mind.

Goai
07-25-2007, 05:56 AM
It lived up to expectations. But it was slow in parts, and cliched in others. The ending was anticlimactic and the epilogue unbelievably corny. The last line "All was well" might as well have been "and they all lived happily ever after!" It really reminds one that it was written for kids.

cherry@cupcake
07-25-2007, 07:08 AM
Just finished it yesterday. My first thought on finishing it is that it's going to be a superb movie.

After all, in the movie, that seemingly interminable camping series of scenes can be covered in a 30 second montage, leaving the director (and budget) free to concentrate on the superb action scenes.

Overall I enjoyed it: I thought that, from the Battle of Hogwarts onwards, it was superb. I still have some complaints. For example, I thought the purpose of killing off Dumbledore was to force Harry to take action. Yet, Dumbledore is still needed to sit down and explain everything to Harry (and won't that King's Cross scene look great on the big screen?), who is awfully dependent on luck, coincidence and other character's doing stuff for him. Thank goodness for his final long walk to meet Voldemort in the forest, which firmly re-establishes him as a hero. And yes, that bit made me cry.

I didn't cry at the later deaths. I was too numb after Hedwig. Why, JK, why?

I actually quite liked the epilogue, but it did make me want to read more about Harry as an adult. I also thought that it left it totally open for a sequel, despite JK's protestations to the contrary.

Oh, and the final book didn't feel like a children's book at all. JK is interesting, because she doesn't consider herself either a fantasy writer or a children's writer.

refero*fervens
07-25-2007, 08:45 AM
It was pretty good; all's well that ends well and although the general outcomes were pretty much what I (we?) expected there were some good twists along the way.

First thoughts?

Snape! :sobbing: I knew he had to die but it was still sad, especially after the memories. Poor guy. I trusted that he was good, though Jo Rowling did try to sway us all back again for pretty much the whole of the book till after his death :p. Did see Snape/Lily after OOTP, but didn't realise how deeply intense it was.
But would have liked more of him and I do wish the death was more, I don't know, glorious? At least give him the dignity of a duel with Voldemort, but geez, a snake bite? Still, guess that gave the chance for him to still be alive and give Harry the memories - someone mentioned Lily's eyes, the 'look at me' - priceless. Favourite character in the series by far. I wonder - since he was a headmaster, his portrait should now be in the headmaster's office, huh?

Pretty much concur with people about the epilogue, a bit cheesy and rushed - I would have liked an overview on the general state of all our beloved characters in the wizarding world rather than something with fanfictionish overtones; but fingers crossed whatever is missing will show up in that encyclopaedia...

I was a bit unsure over how much I would like HPDH, seeing as I really enjoyed Hogwarts' lessons in the other books and rather disliked some of the movement outside the school, but the story in general made up for it. The tone of this book was quite different to the others.

Well put on the 'fantasy' point, cmurray! I used to call myself a fan of fantasy when I realised I didn't like all those stories with the long names, magical quests taking place in some ethereal realm I didn't really care about, etc.; it is the magic in that kind of realistic sense that drew me to HP (and some of Diana Wynne Jones' books, etc.) - it really is the world she comes up with and is able to place beside our own that is the beauty of the Potter books, and probably what lies beneath their success.

On that note, with HP it's only when the entire series is finished that you realise the immensity of the story and completely appreciate it as an epic. Maybe that's why I find it so difficult to place one book over another, because they each play their role and have their merits within the saga as a whole.

Just finished it yesterday. My first thought on finishing it is that it's going to be a superb movie.

After all, in the movie, that seemingly interminable camping series of scenes can be covered in a 30 second montage, leaving the director (and budget) free to concentrate on the superb action scenes.


Geez, I hope so! :D The camping was tedious but hopefully with this movie they'll cut the right things out and expand on the action. I mean, none of the explanations can really be cut like they have been throughout the series, can they :unsure:? With any luck the moviemakers won't dig themselves into a further hole by leaving out bits and pieces of mythology *Snape's memory :rolleyes:* that they'll have to all wind up in this one - both the sixth and seventh have a fair bit of exposition, HBP especially. Oh, and lol, I thought I was the only one who blinked when Hedwig died.


I did like the fact the 7 horcruxes, the diary, the ring, the locket, the cup, the diadem, Nagini and Harry's blood, were destroyed by 7 different people.

I didn't notice this; that's cool. In trying to be the greatest wizard ever, he might not have been able to be defeated by one person alone, but they all did him in in the end ;).

Ferrero Forever
07-25-2007, 09:06 AM
I am so mad at JK Rowling. Snape was awesome. He was meant to be alive and evil, I was so happy he killed Dumbledore. Now I find out that he's dead, he's good, he only killed Dumbledore because he was instructed to, and worse, HE WAS IN LOVE WITH HARRY"S MUM!!! He was meant to kill the Potters, not fall in love with his mother. But anyway, it was really cute, but sad for poor Snape. I loved the chapter though. The ending was really well thought out, but I thought the epilogue was unnecessary too. An excellent series of books!

gulzhan
07-25-2007, 11:25 AM
I am so mad at JK Rowling. Snape was awesome. He was meant to be alive and evil, I was so happy he killed Dumbledore. Now I find out that he's dead, he's good, he only killed Dumbledore because he was instructed to, and worse, HE WAS IN LOVE WITH HARRY"S MUM!!! He was meant to kill the Potters, not fall in love with his mother. But anyway, it was really cute, but sad for poor Snape. I loved the chapter though. The ending was really well thought out, but I thought the epilogue was unnecessary too. An excellent series of books!

:haha:

MissFairy
07-25-2007, 12:00 PM
I thought the epilogue was a huge letdown after such a great, well thought out book. The plot unravelled at speed and the epilogue was an anti-climax. Needless to say, i hate anti-climaxes in books (or anywhere for that matter!) If she thought it necessary to conclude the book in such a fashion, she should have touched upon aspects of their lives other than their numerous children. It would have been far more interesting to find out what Harry et al were doing job-wise, i think.

However, except from that tiny niggling criticism, i thought the book was very good. The plot was hard to predict...the only thing i got right was Snape being good...and i'm glad :p I never thought he'd killed Dumbledore without a good intention in the end, i'm glad he was redeemed. As for him being in love with Lily...:lol: That was random, but it sure gave more motive for him wanting to keep Harry safe. Who knows, Harry could've been Harry Snape had he played his cards right ;)

Ron/Hermione are sweet! :hearts: It was nice to see their chemistry come together. No matter how it's written about, i can't get on board with Harry/Ginny...i think it's weird. I don't know why. :scratch:

Dobby :hug: :sad: LOVE him. And i have almost forgiven Kreacher...ALMOST, for what he did to Sirius after being so lovely to Harry and co in this one.

The film of this book is bound to be amazing :yeah:

Fed=ATPTourkilla
07-25-2007, 12:09 PM
If Dumbledore had the Elder Wand all along, why didn't he kick Voldemort's ass when they duelled in an earlier book?

savesthedizzle
07-26-2007, 11:44 AM
JKR said their jobs on the Today show today. I feel.. fulfilled now. :rolls:

She said Ron and Harry are both aurors and that Hermione is pretty high up in the Ministry of Magic law enforcement? I didn't quite catch Hermione because I was excited that Ron and Harry were both aurors. :rolls:

guille&tati4life
07-26-2007, 11:58 AM
If Dumbledore had the Elder Wand all along, why didn't he kick Voldemort's ass when they duelled in an earlier book?

The way i recall, Dumbledore wasn't beaten in that duel, and the elder wand meant that you couldn't be beaten, no?

neenah
07-26-2007, 03:53 PM
JKR said their jobs on the Today show today. I feel.. fulfilled now. :rolls:

She said Ron and Harry are both aurors and that Hermione is pretty high up in the Ministry of Magic law enforcement? I didn't quite catch Hermione because I was excited that Ron and Harry were both aurors. :rolls:

Here's a link to a website about what she said on the Today show!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19959323/

:)

Julio1974
07-26-2007, 05:57 PM
Yes. Only a true Gryffindor could pull Godric's sword out of the sorting hat. That Neville is a true Gryffindor and that he killed Nagini was just too awesome. Always liked Neville.

BTW, Alyz I agree - snape has always been FAR FAR more interesting to me than Harry. And Luna is more interesting than hermione. Its one of the beauties of Rowling. :)

Luna is simply fantastic, my favorite character by far. This was one the best books (together with 3 and 5 for me). I can't wait to watch the battle of Howartz in the movie.

The Freak
07-27-2007, 12:58 AM
Great book this one!
For some reason I wanted more of an embrace with Harry and Ginny at the end, and yeah the epilogue was kind of pointless.
I was sure stunned when the whole Snape story folded out. :eek:
But in the end, I'm glad all the main people survived. Harry, Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Hagrid, etc...

JK Rowling :bowdown:

MissFairy
07-27-2007, 10:04 AM
JKR said their jobs on the Today show today. I feel.. fulfilled now. :rolls:

She said Ron and Harry are both aurors and that Hermione is pretty high up in the Ministry of Magic law enforcement? I didn't quite catch Hermione because I was excited that Ron and Harry were both aurors. :rolls:
I can finally sleep now :p

marti_228
07-28-2007, 04:27 AM
I finished it about half an hour ago. I cried twice, when harry was heading to meet Voldemort thinking he had to die and a bit in the end, because it's overit may sound silly but I had read the books since I was 11 and now I'm 17. And I would have cried if I had realised what Snape saying: look at me, meant.

I wanted more about Ron and Hermione and how sad was Dobby's death, he was too cute.

njorker
07-28-2007, 12:40 PM
The epilogue didn't really answer enough questions about right after the war. I forget, was it mentioned in the book who the new headmaster was at Hogwarts? Also, I'm curious to know how the Malfoys would have reacted right away.


Me too. It went straight to the epilogue without answering some stuff - like what happened to the Ministry after that, to Hogwarts, to everyone in general? Although, when I turned the page and read "Nineteen years later," I was like No! and cried a bit because it was really the ending to the series and I didn't want it to end, sort of.

I also cried a bit when Ron left Harry/Hermione temporarily, when Fred died, and also with Snape. My heart goes out to him, he was really very brave, with all the sacrifices that he had to go through and people thinking he was a murderer. I wished he and Harry could have a heart-to-heart chat before he died. Haha!

NicoFan
07-29-2007, 07:13 PM
I just finished it... finally. I totally loved it. Like everyone else, I didn't like the epilogue - not enough info. And I knew just knew that Snape was a good guy. But she had me going with Dumbledore for awhile - I was beginning to wonder what was up with him. :eek: I can't believe it's over...I cried at the end...partly I think because there will be no more Harry books to look forward to. :sad:

MissFairy
07-29-2007, 08:07 PM
The Dumbledore twists were great, i think. I didn't expect his good nature to be questioned, and i was shocked to think that maybe he had not been good to Harry really. I was relieved when she revealed he was good, i love him :sobbing: I also liked that, even though he was deceased, there was still a Dumbledore/Harry moment in the Kings Cross place, it only seemed right. I adore their talks.

marti_228
07-29-2007, 08:38 PM
,"The sadness many readers will experience has nothing to do with the fate of the characters and nothing to do with maturity. Saying goodbye to Harry is like saying goodbye to a piece of themselves. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows more than anything else is about the end of childhood. ...with the bonus anytime they want to relieve that childhood they only have to pick up book one and begin again. and if that isnt magic, what is?"
Malcolm Jones in Newsweek.


(Totally right in my case)

njorker
07-30-2007, 11:50 AM
I've just been rereading some of my fave parts and in the chapter "The Prince's Tale," it showed Snape's memory where he went back to Grimmauld Place and he found Lily's letter and her picture with her family. How did he get past the trap there, you know, the Dumbledore ghost? ...Just wondering. :)

t0x
07-30-2007, 01:55 PM
Finished it last night :)

Generally loved it, but their are a few minor things I didn't like. But then again, I doubt many books would survive the way Harry Potter has with everybody looking at it in such detail!

The bit where Ron speaks Parseltongue. Really thought it was stupid...

The final battle was a bit anti-climatic.

The camping dragged out way too long...

Epilogue was way too short. I think pretty much everybody agrees on that...

maldini
07-30-2007, 09:27 PM
I've just been rereading some of my fave parts and in the chapter "The Prince's Tale," it showed Snape's memory where he went back to Grimmauld Place and he found Lily's letter and her picture with her family. How did he get past the trap there, you know, the Dumbledore ghost? ...Just wondering. :)

yeah so many questions remain open now....
i also didn't quite get what is it with this "whimpering child" in the king's cross chapter? what should that be? :o

The Freak
07-30-2007, 09:49 PM
yeah so many questions remain open now....
i also didn't quite get what is it with this "whimpering child" in the king's cross chapter? what should that be? :o

I thought it was Voldemort.

NicoFan
07-30-2007, 10:59 PM
I thought it was Voldemort.

That's what I thought too.

refero*fervens
07-31-2007, 04:11 AM
If you pop over to the Leaky Cauldron (perhaps Mugglenet has it too) there's a transcript of the JKR's webchat; answers a lot of questions!

Re: the whimpering child
Jon: Since voldemort was afraid of death, did he choose to be a ghost if so where does he haunt or is this not possible due to his horcruxes

J.K. Rowling: No, he is not a ghost. He is forced to exist in the stunted form we witnessed in King’s Cross.

And njorker:
Lou: How did snape get into grimmauld place to get the second half of the letter, if there were protection spells on the house stopping snape getting in

J.K. Rowling: Snape entered the house immediately after Dumbledore’s death, before Moody put up the spells against him.

:) Still can't believe it's finished :sad: - been reading HP since I was 8/9!

njorker
07-31-2007, 01:46 PM
If you pop over to the Leaky Cauldron (perhaps Mugglenet has it too) there's a transcript of the JKR's webchat; answers a lot of questions!

Re: the whimpering child


And njorker:


:) Still can't believe it's finished :sad: - been reading HP since I was 8/9!

Thanks so much! I'm now going to Leaky Cauldron to check it out. I've been to Mugglenet the past week but hasn't found anything useful. I don't think they've updated recently. Thanks again!

peteslamz
08-01-2007, 03:55 PM
This was an action-packed book of all the HP series. But I also do not like the Epilogue. Harry and Ginny's children names' were so cheesy! But I love the chapter of the Prince's Tale. I'm looking forward on how they'll make this into movie especially the Gringotts part where Hermione pretended to be Bellatrix.

jitterbug
08-02-2007, 10:00 AM
I feel a little let down that there was no Inferius in the book :awww: I thought that the lake bit in Book 6 was wonderfully spooky.

savesthedizzle
08-02-2007, 12:05 PM
I feel a little let down that there was no Inferius in the book :awww: I thought that the lake bit in Book 6 was wonderfully spooky.

Some people came up with some really twisted ideas though that Harry's parents were Inferi and that he'd have to kill them to get to Voldemort or something.

I was just reading these theories before the book came out and thinking "WHOAH PEOPLE! CHILDRENS BOOK! CHILDRENS BOOK!"

jitterbug
08-02-2007, 01:01 PM
Some people came up with some really twisted ideas though that Harry's parents were Inferi and that he'd have to kill them to get to Voldemort or something.

I was just reading these theories before the book came out and thinking "WHOAH PEOPLE! CHILDRENS BOOK! CHILDRENS BOOK!"

I'd be scarred for life :sobbing:

... though that is not a bad idea :angel:

cmurray
08-02-2007, 01:33 PM
Some people came up with some really twisted ideas though that Harry's parents were Inferi and that he'd have to kill them to get to Voldemort or something.

I was just reading these theories before the book came out and thinking "WHOAH PEOPLE! CHILDRENS BOOK! CHILDRENS BOOK!"

It IS kind of funny. The books are just as popular with adults as they are with children - and sometimes we adults forget that we weren't the intended audience. :lol:

To be honest, I was surprised in book 6 that Marvolo Gaunt called Merope a slut. I can't imagine explaining to my nine year old what a slut it.

Grofica
08-03-2007, 08:31 AM
In general I loved book I am sorry there isn't more Snape and way he died :sad: I also expected more Malfoy story and what happend to them ? And who is a woman Draco married ?
The best part imo is battle for Hogworts and Prince's Tale my eyes were full of the tears especially when Snape said to
Nigelius portert '' don't call her that" :p and I was crying when Harry sad to his son "Albus Severus" and whole part about being Slytherin and bravest man Harry hade ever met :)

njorker
08-03-2007, 02:21 PM
In general I loved book I am sorry there isn't more Snape and way he died :sad: I also expected more Malfoy story and what happend to them ? And who is a woman Draco married ?
The best part imo is battle for Hogworts and Prince's Tale my eyes were full of the tears especially when Snape said to
Nigelius portert '' don't call her that" :p and I was crying when Harry sad to his son "Albus Severus" and whole part about being Slytherin and bravest man Harry hade ever met :)

Yes, love that whole 'bravest man' part, too. Also, when Snape was dying and he told Harry "Look at me," it was so poignant. I wish he could have lived and made amends, that would be a hoot!

Marek.
08-04-2007, 09:12 PM
I finally got some time off to read and finish this book. It is probably my favorite book in the series now as I thought it wrapped everything up nicely.

Things I didn't like

- Snape's death: He's my favorite character and after he died I just thought "WTF just happened? He's dead?" Being killed by a snake like that is kind of pathetic IMO. I liked that he did have a final moment with Harry though.

- Wand ownership: I thought this part of the book was a bit confusing. From what I recall, you have to defeat the person in order to use their wand but Malfoy just disarmed Dumbledore in order to become the master of his wand. Then Harry disarmed Malfoy to become the master of both wands? That doesn't make much sense to me but if I'm not getting it right I'd like it if someone could clear this up for me. :)

- The Epilogue: I admit, I wanted an epilogue but I thought it could have been done much better. I would have liked it more if it was like a reunion or something with the reader learning what has happend to all the characters since the last scene. Also, the names of all of their kids was kind of confusing. I guess she's going to writean encyclopedia that will fill us in though.

Things I liked

- Hagrid didn't die:D: After Snape, he was probably my second favorite character, along with Dumbledore.

- Neville: I really liked that he was the one to pull the sword out of the hat and kill the snake. I was hoping he'd finish off Bellatrix, though.

-Dumbledore's: It was good to show that Dumbledore, like everyone else had flaws and was weak in some aspects. It was cool that he was there one last time after Harry "died" and admitting that he didn't always have the answers but took a lot of risks.

That's all I can really think of now but, overall, I really liked this book. Eventually I'm going to read all seven in a row but can barely find the time to read at all right now.:mad: